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Offline TheTassieBFG

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Re: Parf Dogs Now available for shipment...
« Reply #150 on: October 24, 2013, 02:39 AM »
Carbatec has ordered them, and will be stocking them -

Thanks Rob

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #151 on: October 24, 2013, 09:32 AM »
Hi Everyone

I am doing a bit of preliminary editing of the new video and I do not think that I can fit the MFT3 replication in - it is partly due to space withing my (self imposed) 15 minute limit but more because I am looking for a better way to make the holes. I will produce a separate video showing my method of doing this but I am not sure when. If anyone wants some pointers how to do this then you could look at the old Parf Dog video before it is deleted in a couple of days from now.

At the moment my thoughts are that this second video could be done in about 2-3 weeks time but a woodworking chum has given me an idea of a new type of cutter that I could use which might delay that video by quite a bit. If that is the case I will amalgamate that function with the build of a mobile bench (on industrial castors) which will have an MFT style top.

I am aiming to get the main Parf Dog video up within 48 hours.

Peter

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #152 on: October 24, 2013, 05:09 PM »
Got my sets of dogs yesterday.

Great product, as designed by Peter, and machined to absolute perfection by Rob Lee and his outstanding company.

But hey, what else would one expect?

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #153 on: October 24, 2013, 05:24 PM »
I think that it was Archimedes who said 'give me a lever long enough and I can lift the world...' well, in my work with the new Parf Dogs I will demonstrate that given a work surface big enough and with a long enough guide rail you can do perfect cuts, using the Parf Dogs, on any width or length of timber - my workshop will never be the same again.

Time for bed.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #154 on: October 25, 2013, 01:59 PM »
The new Parf Dog video is now on YouTube and the old one is about to bite the dust.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/veritas-parf-dogs-from-lee-valley-the-video/

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #155 on: October 25, 2013, 05:59 PM »
The new Parf Dog video is now on YouTube and the old one is about to bite the dust.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/veritas-parf-dogs-from-lee-valley-the-video/

Peter

Excellent Peter!  Thank you so much for producing that for us.  Much appreciated.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #156 on: October 26, 2013, 04:53 PM »
Peter

These look really useful - well done.

I will order some once stock arrives at Axminster.


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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #157 on: November 16, 2013, 02:58 AM »
Lee Valley sell an accompanying bench dog that has the same boss size as the Parf Dogs. They have an 8mm thread all the way through.

I am (still) making my new mobile bench and needed a way to hold wood vertically in order to do some Domino work. I put a pair of the threaded dogs in with a knob under the bench to secure them in place. I then put a Bessey K Body Revo over them and secured it in place using a second pair of knobs (with 8mm thread). I had to use a gash piece of wood with an 8mm hole as a packing piece.

The net result is a very useful vice at the side of the bench. I used it for over an hour whilst doing all of my Domino joints and, as it is so quick to set up, and will use it again.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #158 on: November 16, 2013, 06:32 AM »
Ordered mine...will use for my homemade parallel guide system and the Aerofix.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #159 on: November 16, 2013, 07:51 AM »

Hello,

I purchased a pair of the large and small "Parf Dogs", as soon as they were available at my favorite Festool dealer.  I have been using them everyday.  Every time I use them I think of a talented gentleman who I know vicariously through the internet, and who speaks the Queen's english in the most eloquent manner.  Somehow my woodworking experience is more pleasant as a result. 

To corroborate the words of their inventor, they are brilliant !

Brian

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #160 on: November 17, 2013, 09:31 AM »

To corroborate the words of their inventor, they are brilliant !

Brian

Fall River, Nova Scotia, Canada

I couldn't agree more and one thinks that one could take some of the glory on that one.

 Click this link to see when the idea was first discussed on the FOG.



Here's two of the images I posted on the linked thread above in September 2011.

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I just checked the original design folder on my hard drive and I created those drawings in April 2011 and posted them on here on a thread with the word "dogs" in the title. I wouldn't be so bold as to say they should be called "Andy Dogs" but I think I might deserve a little credit. It's also worth noting that at the time the only Festool I owned wast a PS300 and I had never used a TS55, guide rail or MFT. It was all in my head so if Peter's brilliant I've run out of superlatives for myself.
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #161 on: November 17, 2013, 09:57 AM »

To corroborate the words of their inventor, they are brilliant !

Brian

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I couldn't agree more and one thinks that one could take some of the glory on that one. Click this link to see where the idea was first discussed on the FOG.

There are many similar concepts out there but few seem to have been brought to market.

I came up with the Parf Dog concept after reviewing the rail dogs for a UK national magazine. My problem with the rail dogs was that they were a little fiddly but I am a touch arthritic. I felt that a pair of fixed posts was the way forward and hence the Parf Dog with an 8mm thread underneath.

It was interesting to see the many ideas for home made MFT tops on that thread. My mobile bench is nearly complete and I have yet to settle on a pattern for the holes. The only design element that I have fixed is that the outer holes (top, bottom and both sides) and the second row along the top will be placed very accurately for precision right angle work. The position of the majority of the remaining holes will not be critical as they will be used mainly for impromptu jig work or clamping points.

I have made the extension flaps and have put some old MDF top into them but I can replace these if I need a different pattern.

Peter
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #162 on: November 17, 2013, 10:07 AM »

There are many similar concepts out there but few seem to have been brought to market.


I don't think we are talking about a similar concept, to my mind my idea is identical. I just thought I might be worthy of a little credit.
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #163 on: November 17, 2013, 03:27 PM »
Would not hold your breath on that one. Plagiarism is common place these days .

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #164 on: November 17, 2013, 03:48 PM »
I unwittingly copied your template idea, had no idea you had discussed it before (almost to the letter) - the 30mm guide bush holes and the registration 20mm holes in the corners (my particular take on it anyway). Discussed it at length with Steve Qwas over email too, don't think he'd twigged it had been discussed before either. Only saw your idea when you posted the link earlier. Uncanny. I'll take some photos if you're interested in it and never got round to it yourself.

When getting a new 8x4 sheet CNCd up I got them to whip out a template on half a sheet too so I wouldn't be bothering them again. Works a charm too.

However, that said, anyone with access to the SQL database behind this forum would be able to say which user has seen what post at what time. Just saying.
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #165 on: November 17, 2013, 03:57 PM »
Andy, credit is over rated. A percentage of sales, now that's different  ;)
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #166 on: November 17, 2013, 03:59 PM »
It's the folk that make the most noise that generally claim the idea.  I think I will stick to cutting up 20 mm electrical plastic conduit , to achieve the same results .  Oh heck I should not have let that one out the bag as someone will claim that idea and market them as "saw safe" dogs

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #167 on: November 17, 2013, 04:00 PM »
Would definitely not hold my breath on a percentage .

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #168 on: November 17, 2013, 04:41 PM »
Apparently their are some feelings out there about Dog designs.  I would suggest that the parties involved contact each other away from the Forum.  The Forum doesn't have a dog in this hunt.  Also, how about the rest of us not throw any more grease on the fire.

Thanks in advance.

Peter
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #169 on: November 17, 2013, 05:21 PM »
It's the folk that make the most noise that generally claim the idea.  I think I will stick to cutting up 20 mm electrical plastic conduit , to achieve the same results .  Oh heck I should not have let that one out the bag as someone will claim that idea and market them as "saw safe" dogs



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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #170 on: November 17, 2013, 05:24 PM »
Peter. We do have a "dog in this hunt" members post on here ideas and tips freely. In my book it's bad form ,if these ideas are taken and exploited. It's even worse if the originator is not given credit  ,for it and the exploiters then pass the ideas off as their own. At least be honest and if you take an idea and develop it , describe yourself as the developer and give due credit to the originator of the idea and this forum as the place where it was posted originally.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #171 on: November 17, 2013, 05:47 PM »
You want me to  be honest.  OK.

1.  There is absolutely no proof that anyone took someone else's idea.  Whereas putting round pegs in round holes has been around since the beginning of the first cabinet maker's workbench I sincerely doubt that any dog ideas are patentable.  Otherwise Steve Adams would have.

2.  If someone has an idea that they think might be patentable and saleable - you do not post it on the internet until you have a patent in place.  To do otherwise would be counterproductive.

You are right, this Forum is about freely sharing help and ideas.  Once an idea is out here it is available to the over 3,000,000 viewers monthly.

Peter

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #172 on: November 17, 2013, 05:54 PM »
Jerry work used 20mm threaded couplings to take advantage of the hole pattern to guarantee square assemblies and I remember reading that way before 2010.
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #173 on: November 17, 2013, 06:48 PM »
You want me to  be honest.  OK.

1.  There is absolutely no proof that anyone took someone else's idea.  Whereas putting round pegs in round holes has been around since the beginning of the first cabinet maker's workbench I sincerely doubt that any dog ideas are patentable.  Otherwise Steve Adams would have.

2.  If someone has an idea that they think might be patentable and saleable - you do not post it on the internet until you have a patent in place.  To do otherwise would be counterproductive.

You are right, this Forum is about freely sharing help and ideas.  Once an idea is out here it is available to the over 3,000,000 viewers monthly.

Peter

3 million hits (page views) or unique viewers?
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #174 on: November 17, 2013, 06:53 PM »
We all have a million dollar idea in our lifetime...some of us a couple. Some are lucky and capitalize on it and some see it later in life and say I thought of that.....

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #175 on: November 17, 2013, 07:01 PM »
It's the folk that make the most noise that generally claim the idea.  I think I will stick to cutting up 20 mm electrical plastic conduit , to achieve the same results .  Oh heck I should not have let that one out the bag as someone will claim that idea and market them as "saw safe" dogs
The 20 mm electrical plastic conduit idea was talked about in 2008 / 2009. I didn't originate it but did post a thread which used them "20mm hole on a 96mm grid system (mft-top-style)"


I'm all for the sharing of information. It's one of the ways we get inspiration for new designs. I try to credit the source where I can.
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #176 on: November 17, 2013, 07:08 PM »
You want me to  be honest.  OK.

1.  There is absolutely no proof that anyone took someone else's idea.  Whereas putting round pegs in round holes has been around since the beginning of the first cabinet maker's workbench I sincerely doubt that any dog ideas are patentable.  Otherwise Steve Adams would have.

2.  If someone has an idea that they think might be patentable and saleable - you do not post it on the internet until you have a patent in place.  To do otherwise would be counterproductive.

You are right, this Forum is about freely sharing help and ideas.  Once an idea is out here it is available to the over 3,000,000 viewers monthly.

Peter

3 million hits (page views) or unique viewers?

Forgive me.  Page views.  The point is still that if you want to keep a secret you don't post it on the FOG.
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #177 on: November 17, 2013, 07:12 PM »

. My mobile bench is nearly complete and I have yet to settle on a pattern for the holes. The only design element that I have fixed is that the outer holes (top, bottom and both sides) and the second row along the top will be placed very accurately for precision right angle work. The position of the majority of the remaining holes will not be critical as they will be used mainly for impromptu jig work or clamping points.

I have made the extension flaps and have put some old MDF top into them but I can replace these if I need a different pattern.

Peter
Having been using my MFT style/inspired bench for the last 4 years, where I copied the 96mm grid, I have found that sometimes the pattern is very useful.

The really important point for me is that all rows are at 90degrees to all columns
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #178 on: November 17, 2013, 07:16 PM »
You want me to  be honest.  OK.

1.  There is absolutely no proof that anyone took someone else's idea.  Whereas putting round pegs in round holes has been around since the beginning of the first cabinet maker's workbench I sincerely doubt that any dog ideas are patentable.  Otherwise Steve Adams would have.

2.  If someone has an idea that they think might be patentable and saleable - you do not post it on the internet until you have a patent in place.  To do otherwise would be counterproductive.

You are right, this Forum is about freely sharing help and ideas.  Once an idea is out here it is available to the over 3,000,000 viewers monthly.

Peter

3 million hits (page views) or unique viewers?

Forgive me.  Page views.  The point is still that if you want to keep a secret you don't post it on the FOG.

Either one is a bigger number than I would have expected. That's awesome!

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #179 on: November 17, 2013, 07:19 PM »
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The point is still that if you want to keep a secret you don't post it on the FOG.
You don't post it anywhere until you at least document a set of plans
THE best way to that is :
 draw the plans up in detail at least 3 views from all angles
then give a clear detailed description written out in a narrative  
dated & have a 2nd party witness sign that they observed the documents on that dated
THEN send the package of docs to yourself by registered mail
 by you signing for the registered mail in person you have established a legal proof a time/date stamp of the dated materials .
from that moment forward it's your idea legally
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