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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #210 on: August 29, 2014, 08:41 PM »
After watching your video on the Parf dogs/bench dogs, I see I should get 2 pairs of each so I'm going to try and change my order.

I notice that you (Peter Parfitt) say in the video that with the dogs you don't really need the extra hardware on the full version of the MFT 3, and just to go with the basic, but I feel that at least for newbie's like me being introduced to the MFT 3 komplete gives added confidence when first getting to know the system. These new tools will doubtless lead me on to find new and more efficient ways of working. I have used my own improvised track system in the past, so what attracted me to the MFT 3 was the the guide rail setup with the mitre which I had envisioned would turn my TS 75 into a mitre saw with a very  wide cutting length very respectable 70mm cutting depth..

I'm sure the short rail guide the fence and the stop will be nice to use so those things alone add up to the difference in price between the MFT 3 and the MFT 3 basic..

I do like the your ideas of going for simplicity in setup. If you just want to take a few elements out when doing a few basic processes.
 
To sum up I'm really glad I went with the Parf Dogs, Bench dogs, which add a new dimension to Festools system  and am very  pleased they are available at a competitive price on this side of the pond!
« Last Edit: August 29, 2014, 08:48 PM by PreferrablyWood »
850 HL E Planer rustic head standard head angle fence, MFS 400x2, MFS extensions MFS VB 700 x 1 MFS VB 1000 x 2 . CMS GE, sliding fence, VB and 2x VL extension tables, OF 2200, Accessory Set ZS OF 2200 M,36mm 5m antistatik hose, CMS OF+ CMS TS 75 insert modules. SYS-MFT Fixing-Set,  3.5m sleeved hose, Syslite duo, Sys 4 sort 3 x3, Sys Roll, Sys 1 Box x2 , classic Sys 3-Sort 4, classic Sys 3 Sort 6 x2, Sys Cart x3 Systainer 4 x2  as toolbox with selfmade inserts Systainer 5 as toolbox with insert.
Festool 18V HKC 55 Li 5.2 EB Plus FSK 420,FSK 250, Extra blade for the HKC 55 W32.TI 15, CXS 2.6 Ah version, RO 90 DX, PDC 18/4 plus DC UNI FF depth stop chuck,AD 3/8 square socket holder FF chuck, Centrotec Bits; -->Bit holder and bit selection BHS 65 CE TL 24x, ,Bradpoint DB WOOD CE SET ,Zobo (Forstner) D 15-35 CE-Zobo SET ,Masonary/stone bits DB STONE CE Set,Extender BV 150 CE, Countersink QLS D2-8 CE Hook turner HD D18, end centrotec<--.  TS 75 EBQ, PSC 420, OF 1010, RS 300 EQ, CTL Midi, MFT 3, Parf dogs x2pair +Bench dogs x2pair, FS 1080, FS 1900 .  will get Domino DF 700 XL,  CMS insert BS 120 Belt sander.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #211 on: August 29, 2014, 10:20 PM »
After watching your video on the Parf dogs/bench dogs, I see I should get 2 pairs of each so I'm going to try and change my order.

I notice that you (Peter Parfitt) say in the video that with the dogs you don't really need the extra hardware on the full version of the MFT 3, and just to go with the basic, but I feel that at least for newbie's like me being introduced to the MFT 3 komplete gives added confidence when first getting to know the system. These new tools will doubtless lead me on to find new and more efficient ways of working. I have used my own improvised track system in the past, so what attracted me to the MFT 3 was the the guide rail setup with the mitre which I had envisioned would turn my TS 75 into a mitre saw with a very  wide cutting length very respectable 70mm cutting depth..

I'm sure the short rail guide the fence and the stop will be nice to use so those things alone add up to the difference in price between the MFT 3 and the MFT 3 basic..

I do like the your ideas of going for simplicity in setup. If you just want to take a few elements out when doing a few basic processes.
 
To sum up I'm really glad I went with the Parf Dogs, Bench dogs, which add a new dimension to Festools system  and am very  pleased they are available at a competitive price on this side of the pond!

I use the fence and guide rail all the time on my MFT. I do use the dogs for various things, but find that using the MFT3 setup is a quick way to crosscut, miter cut and, with other third party accessories do some ripping also. The one drawback is that I find I need to square the rail to the fence periodically because I tend to bump it when I'm going past the table. I know others on FOG feel using various types of dogs and other accessories is better and they don't use the fence. It's really whatever works for you. If you already have the whole setup try it out and see.
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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #212 on: August 30, 2014, 02:53 AM »
Thanks grbmds for your insight, it's much like I see it, use the mft 3 for the good it has to offer like relatively easy learning curve with the mitre cuts, clamping system. I feel for such a slick system it is portable, for me 50 pounds is pretty easy to heft around and I'f I need to I can make up a handtruck for moving it around. As far a bumping the track out of square I bought the parf dogs partially because of their usefulness with setting the square!

I think the MFT 3 will work for most of my projects, any additional process that it cannot handle I'll find solutions as they pop up. My first project will be to build a large sheet goods cutting table/wing on foldable sawhorses.. and smaller sturdier workstation table for clamping and sanding larger heavier projects..
850 HL E Planer rustic head standard head angle fence, MFS 400x2, MFS extensions MFS VB 700 x 1 MFS VB 1000 x 2 . CMS GE, sliding fence, VB and 2x VL extension tables, OF 2200, Accessory Set ZS OF 2200 M,36mm 5m antistatik hose, CMS OF+ CMS TS 75 insert modules. SYS-MFT Fixing-Set,  3.5m sleeved hose, Syslite duo, Sys 4 sort 3 x3, Sys Roll, Sys 1 Box x2 , classic Sys 3-Sort 4, classic Sys 3 Sort 6 x2, Sys Cart x3 Systainer 4 x2  as toolbox with selfmade inserts Systainer 5 as toolbox with insert.
Festool 18V HKC 55 Li 5.2 EB Plus FSK 420,FSK 250, Extra blade for the HKC 55 W32.TI 15, CXS 2.6 Ah version, RO 90 DX, PDC 18/4 plus DC UNI FF depth stop chuck,AD 3/8 square socket holder FF chuck, Centrotec Bits; -->Bit holder and bit selection BHS 65 CE TL 24x, ,Bradpoint DB WOOD CE SET ,Zobo (Forstner) D 15-35 CE-Zobo SET ,Masonary/stone bits DB STONE CE Set,Extender BV 150 CE, Countersink QLS D2-8 CE Hook turner HD D18, end centrotec<--.  TS 75 EBQ, PSC 420, OF 1010, RS 300 EQ, CTL Midi, MFT 3, Parf dogs x2pair +Bench dogs x2pair, FS 1080, FS 1900 .  will get Domino DF 700 XL,  CMS insert BS 120 Belt sander.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #213 on: August 30, 2014, 03:55 AM »
After watching your video on the Parf dogs/bench dogs, I see I should get 2 pairs of each so I'm going to try and change my order.

I notice that you (Peter Parfitt) say in the video that with the dogs you don't really need the extra hardware on the full version of the MFT 3, and just to go with the basic, but I feel that at least for newbie's like me being introduced to the MFT 3 komplete gives added confidence when first getting to know the system. These new tools will doubtless lead me on to find new and more efficient ways of working. I have used my own improvised track system in the past, so what attracted me to the MFT 3 was the the guide rail setup with the mitre which I had envisioned would turn my TS 75 into a mitre saw with a very  wide cutting length very respectable 70mm cutting depth..

I'm sure the short rail guide the fence and the stop will be nice to use so those things alone add up to the difference in price between the MFT 3 and the MFT 3 basic..

I do like the your ideas of going for simplicity in setup. If you just want to take a few elements out when doing a few basic processes.
 
To sum up I'm really glad I went with the Parf Dogs, Bench dogs, which add a new dimension to Festools system  and am very  pleased they are available at a competitive price on this side of the pond!

I bought the complete MFT3 kit and do not regret it at all. Now that I have the sliding carriage with the CMS-OF I can use parts from the MFT3 kit there as well. So for that reason you will save money in the long run by buying the complete kit.

Peter

Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #214 on: August 30, 2014, 04:32 AM »
Thanks for the input on the MFT 3 Peter, I was getting a pang of buyers remorse with the full MFT 3 after I heard your remarks, so needed to clarify my thinking. I've previously been interested in the CMS system for the router, so that's a good point you are making about the accesories being compatible there. Though I'm going to go with the Domino before the CMS table, as I feel the Domino offers a core function that I don't have available while the router can be used without the table for now. Perhaps I'll get the OF 2200 and CMS table package deal at some point...spring 2016 perhaps... The Domino will be next up, as soon a funds allow..

Regards

Wade
« Last Edit: August 30, 2014, 04:35 AM by PreferrablyWood »
850 HL E Planer rustic head standard head angle fence, MFS 400x2, MFS extensions MFS VB 700 x 1 MFS VB 1000 x 2 . CMS GE, sliding fence, VB and 2x VL extension tables, OF 2200, Accessory Set ZS OF 2200 M,36mm 5m antistatik hose, CMS OF+ CMS TS 75 insert modules. SYS-MFT Fixing-Set,  3.5m sleeved hose, Syslite duo, Sys 4 sort 3 x3, Sys Roll, Sys 1 Box x2 , classic Sys 3-Sort 4, classic Sys 3 Sort 6 x2, Sys Cart x3 Systainer 4 x2  as toolbox with selfmade inserts Systainer 5 as toolbox with insert.
Festool 18V HKC 55 Li 5.2 EB Plus FSK 420,FSK 250, Extra blade for the HKC 55 W32.TI 15, CXS 2.6 Ah version, RO 90 DX, PDC 18/4 plus DC UNI FF depth stop chuck,AD 3/8 square socket holder FF chuck, Centrotec Bits; -->Bit holder and bit selection BHS 65 CE TL 24x, ,Bradpoint DB WOOD CE SET ,Zobo (Forstner) D 15-35 CE-Zobo SET ,Masonary/stone bits DB STONE CE Set,Extender BV 150 CE, Countersink QLS D2-8 CE Hook turner HD D18, end centrotec<--.  TS 75 EBQ, PSC 420, OF 1010, RS 300 EQ, CTL Midi, MFT 3, Parf dogs x2pair +Bench dogs x2pair, FS 1080, FS 1900 .  will get Domino DF 700 XL,  CMS insert BS 120 Belt sander.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #215 on: March 17, 2016, 02:58 PM »
In case there are any Parf Dog users or potential users not aware of this...

The next "Parf" product is now on the street. It is the UJK Parf Guide System being made and marketed by Axminster Tools and Machinery and described in this FOG thread:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/ujk-parf-guide-system-videos/

Peter

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #216 on: January 05, 2017, 06:33 PM »
I don't know if someone else has already brought this up, but after working for a couple of days with the tall Parf Dogs I have a couple of suggestions. When butting the guide rail against the Parf Dogs, if the stock is not thick enough, the TS55 interferes with the Parf dogs when plunged. This can be circumvented by putting a spacer in between the Parf dogs and the rail. However, a homemade spacer is not as accurate as the precision machined dogs. I thought of 2 solutions:

- A set of stainless steel rings, precision machined to fit over the Parf Dogs, to widen the base of the dogs while keeping the precision of the machined steel
- A set of Parf Dogs that are less tall

Or maybe a combination of the above; a set of less tall Parf Dogs with "integrated" extra wide base. :)

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,  Alex.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #217 on: January 06, 2017, 12:14 AM »
I don't know if someone else has already brought this up, but after working for a couple of days with the tall Parf Dogs I have a couple of suggestions. When butting the guide rail against the Parf Dogs, if the stock is not thick enough, the TS55 interferes with the Parf dogs when plunged. This can be circumvented by putting a spacer in between the Parf dogs and the rail. However, a homemade spacer is not as accurate as the precision machined dogs. I thought of 2 solutions:

- A set of stainless steel rings, precision machined to fit over the Parf Dogs, to widen the base of the dogs while keeping the precision of the machined steel
- A set of Parf Dogs that are less tall

Or maybe a combination of the above; a set of less tall Parf Dogs with "integrated" extra wide base. :)

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,  Alex.

Hi Alex,

On my track saw cutting station I have the top (furthest away from me) Parf Dog in the hole furthest from me and the lower bench dogs in the next line of holes. That way there is no chance of interference and it can be done now without any need for spacers or new products.

Even when using the Parf Dogs in the same row as the lower dogs the interference issue does not happen very often.

Many thanks for the ideas though.

Cheers.

Peter

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #218 on: March 02, 2017, 04:29 PM »
Hi Peter,

I get the interference all the time, because my cutting station is only about 60cm deep.

I've found the interference to be there when cutting thin stock like sheet plywood. And I've also found a solution: flip the lower Parf dog over and insert the long end into the table. The other, shorter end is the same diameter as the long end and works perfectly to butt the guide rail to with no interference.

Another solution would be to rotate the working orientation 90 degrees. This allows for more space between the lower do and te work piece.

Cheers,  Alex

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #219 on: March 03, 2017, 12:59 AM »
Hi Peter,

I get the interference all the time, because my cutting station is only about 60cm deep.

I've found the interference to be there when cutting thin stock like sheet plywood. And I've also found a solution: flip the lower Parf dog over and insert the long end into the table. The other, shorter end is the same diameter as the long end and works perfectly to butt the guide rail to with no interference.

Another solution would be to rotate the working orientation 90 degrees. This allows for more space between the lower do and te work piece.

Cheers,  Alex

Hi Alex @VirtuaLogic

I have produce an extra hole just beyond my top row and this is another way around the problem. If people are cutting stock then most of the time they can have the top most tall Parf Dog set one row "higher" than the row of small Parf Dogs against which the wood is pushed. This eliminates the problem completely.

Cheers.

Peter