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Offline Rob Lee

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Parf Dogs
« on: October 08, 2013, 04:44 PM »
Hi -

I'm pleased to announce that we will now be making Parf dogs at Veritas. Once I have all of the costs and part numbers worked out (which should be tomorrow), I'll post all of the details here.

These will be slightly different (in good ways!) from previous iterations of the design. All changes have been enthusiastically approved by Peter Parfitt, who will also be directly compensated for every dog sold (they do carry his name, after all).

Ours will be machined from stainless, in addition to the other tweaks.

And, before anyone asks - 19.90mm  base post diameter...

All the gory details tomorrow!

Cheers -

Rob

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2013, 07:38 PM »
Thats great news. Im happy to hear that peter is getting his product produced in high quality and getting so monetary feedback as well.
I have an earlier set and really enjoy using them. No problem with the size.  ;)
I love the extra length, it makes it so much easier to fit them in the holes and more importantly you can wrap your hand round the sharft to remove them. Unlike the short ones where i break a finger nail trying to get them out.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2013, 12:47 AM »
I am absolutely delighted that Lee Valley are taking on the Parf Dogs. An amazing amount of work has gone into all of this (by LV not me) and I have been very impressed by the attention to detail shown by everyone at Lee Valley. I know that everyone will be happy with these. It really has been worth the wait.

Peter

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2013, 01:46 AM »
Wow SS Parf dogs  [eek]

on this side O'da Pond as well  [tongue]
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2013, 02:00 AM »
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2013, 02:08 AM »
I am absolutely delighted that Lee Valley are taking on the Parf Dogs. An amazing amount of work has gone into all of this (by LV not me) and I have been very impressed by the attention to detail shown by everyone at Lee Valley. I know that everyone will be happy with these. It really has been worth the wait.

Peter

Hello Peter,

First let me say I watched the video on your Parf Dogs the other night and they are absolutely brilliant! Thank You.
It's fantastic to read that Lee Valley is now going to be producing them. They're absolutely top shelf. I took delivery of their Veritas MFT Clamping Kit last week and will supplement this with Parf Dogs as soon as they become available. They'll be put into immediate rotation and I look forward to getting a lot of great use out of them.
My compliments on all of your efforts from inception to now partnering with LV.

Best Regards,
Dave
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2013, 02:14 AM »
I am absolutely delighted that Lee Valley are taking on the Parf Dogs. An amazing amount of work has gone into all of this (by LV not me) and I have been very impressed by the attention to detail shown by everyone at Lee Valley. I know that everyone will be happy with these. It really has been worth the wait.

Peter

Hello Peter,

First let me say I watched the video on your Parf Dogs the other night and they are absolutely brilliant! Thank You.
It's fantastic to read that Lee Valley is now going to be producing them. They're absolutely top shelf. I took delivery of their Veritas MFT Clamping Kit last week and will supplement this with Parf Dogs as soon as they become available. They'll be put into immediate rotation and I look forward to getting a lot of great use out of them.
My compliments on all of your efforts from inception to now partnering with LV.

Best Regards,
Dave

Hi Dave

Everybody knows Lee Valley's reputation for high quality tools and that makes me feel so privileged (and humble) that they have taken on the Parf Dogs. Needless to say there will be a brand new Parf Dog video and the one that you have watched already will be removed.

Thanks Dave.

Peter

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2013, 02:24 AM »
+1
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2013, 03:14 AM »
I can't think of a better endorsement of a product than having Lee Valley manufacture them. I will seriously consider buying some as a result of this.
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Re: Parf Dogs - Update
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2013, 11:46 AM »
Hi  -

Thanks for the kind comments!

As promised - here are the details:

1) Dog root diameters will be 19.90mm
2) Collar/head diameters will be 25mm (to fit common drill/forstner sizes). also gives a bit more bearing surface
3) Small dog wil have a though hole, M8. Coupled with the 25mm head size, makes it easy to also use as a locating stud/mounting stud for your own fences or fixtures
4) Material will be Stainless steel
5) Collar/head height is 10mm
6) Parf dog overall length is 87mm

Pr small dogs - will be part # 05G4950 and will retail at $14.50 per pair
Pair large Parf dogs - will be part # 05G4955 and will retail for $19.50 per pair

We will also make these available through the Veritas distribution system - so they should be available in other countries too.

I'll post another note when we get them set up on our system, and will also post pictures of the completed dogs - we have multiple CNC lathes running them now.

So - if you really want some - please don't call or try to order just yet. Our own staff don't even know about them yet, we're still propagating the information.  [eek]

I suspect we'll be in a position to start accepting orders and shipping by Monday.

Cheers -

Rob

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Re: Parf Dogs - Update
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2013, 12:08 PM »
Hi  -

Thanks for the kind comments!

As promised - here are the details:

1) Dog root diameters will be 19.90mm
2) Collar/head diameters will be 25mm (to fit common drill/forstner sizes). also gives a bit more bearing surface
3) Small dog wil have a though hole, M8. Coupled with the 25mm head size, makes it easy to also use as a locating stud/mounting stud for your own fences or fixtures
4) Material will be Stainless steel
5) Collar/head height is 10mm
6) Parf dog overall length is 87mm

Pr small dogs - will be part # 05G4950 and will retail at $14.50 per pair
Pair large Parf dogs - will be part # 05G4955 and will retail for $19.50 per pair

We will also make these available through the Veritas distribution system - so they should be available in other countries too.

I'll post another note when we get them set up on our system, and will also post pictures of the completed dogs - we have multiple CNC lathes running them now.

So - if you really want some - please don't call or try to order just yet. Our own staff don't even know about them yet, we're still propagating the information.  [eek]

I suspect we'll be in a position to start accepting orders and shipping by Monday.

Cheers -

Rob


I wonder if 26mm wouldn't be better?
Just abstractly thinking that an even full 13mm offset from the hole's center
might be handier than the 12.5mm offset created by the 25mm head...

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2013, 12:16 PM »
Hi Michael

The 12.5 mm offset is not an issue when the Parf Dogs are in use. The 25 mm size has been chosen to match a standard Forstner bit size (either 25mm or 1") to give even more uses for the Parf Dogs for jig work, trammel work and so on.

Peter

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Re: Parf Dogs - Update
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2013, 12:20 PM »

I wonder if 26mm wouldn't be better?
Just abstractly thinking that an even full 13mm offset from the hole's center
might be handier than the 12.5mm offset created by the 25mm head...

For what reason?  They are suppose to be butt against the rail, what other use you foresee?
There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.

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Re: Parf Dogs - Update
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2013, 12:42 PM »

I wonder if 26mm wouldn't be better?
Just abstractly thinking that an even full 13mm offset from the hole's center
might be handier than the 12.5mm offset created by the 25mm head...

For what reason?  They are suppose to be butt against the rail, what other use you foresee?


Possibly so you can drill a couple of holes in a length of timber , drop it over the dogs and 'hey presto '  a fence you could use as a backstop . Just a thought  [smile].
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Re: Parf Dogs - Update
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2013, 12:45 PM »

I wonder if 26mm wouldn't be better?
Just abstractly thinking that an even full 13mm offset from the hole's center
might be handier than the 12.5mm offset created by the 25mm head...

Hi Michael -

This is something we looked at. We can handle desirable offsets by using collars (which gives us the option of higher/lower profiles at the same time). Also - cost to go above 1" in SS material starts to get pricey awful fast.

Cheers -

Rob

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Re: Re: Re: Parf Dogs - Update
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2013, 03:07 PM »
Hi  -

Thanks for the kind comments!

As promised - here are the details:

1) Dog root diameters will be 19.90mm
2) Collar/head diameters will be 25mm (to fit common drill/forstner sizes). also gives a bit more bearing surface
3) Small dog wil have a though hole, M8. Coupled with the 25mm head size, makes it easy to also use as a locating stud/mounting stud for your own fences or fixtures
4) Material will be Stainless steel
5) Collar/head height is 10mm
6) Parf dog overall length is 87mm

Pr small dogs - will be part # 05G4950 and will retail at $14.50 per pair
Pair large Parf dogs - will be part # 05G4955 and will retail for $19.50 per pair

We will also make these available through the Veritas distribution system - so they should be available in other countries too.

I'll post another note when we get them set up on our system, and will also post pictures of the completed dogs - we have multiple CNC lathes running them now.

So - if you really want some - please don't call or try to order just yet. Our own staff don't even know about them yet, we're still propagating the information.  [eek]

I suspect we'll be in a position to start accepting orders and shipping by Monday.

Cheers -

Rob

Much better prices, the old prices were ridiculous these are much better I might even get some myself;D

Will there be a UK stockist or can you send a bunch to Peter to send out ?

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2013, 03:13 PM »
Just out of curiosity, if someone bought the Veritas Clamping Kit for the MFT/3, why would you also buy the Parf Dogs? The functions seem redundant.
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2013, 03:22 PM »
Hi
Just joined forum.
Really looking forward to getting some of these. Prices are good.

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Re: Parf Dogs - Update
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2013, 03:31 PM »

I suspect we'll be in a position to start accepting orders and shipping by Monday.

Cheers -

Rob


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Re: Parf Dogs - Update
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2013, 04:05 PM »

I wonder if 26mm wouldn't be better?
Just abstractly thinking that an even full 13mm offset from the hole's center
might be handier than the 12.5mm offset created by the 25mm head...

Hi Michael -

This is something we looked at. We can handle desirable offsets by using collars (which gives us the option of higher/lower profiles at the same time). Also - cost to go above 1" in SS material starts to get pricey awful fast.

Cheers -

Rob


Keeping costs reasonable is important.
Actually my first thought was 24mm but switched to 26mm when I noticed that LV doesn't stock 24mm Forstner style bits.

I like the idea of a sacrificial fence that fits snuggly over the posts. If one of the holes in the fence is slightly oversized set screws could be used to fine tune the angle. Brass set screws would pair well with the stainless posts.

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Re: Re: Re: Parf Dogs - Update
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2013, 04:30 PM »

Much better prices, the old prices were ridiculous these are much better I might even get some myself;D

Will there be a UK stockist or can you send a bunch to Peter to send out ?

Hi -

I can confirm that Axminster has already ordered some... but it will likely take a bit of time before the get there! We still have to create and communicate a formal distribution plan.

The folks here are really the first ones to find out - even before dealers!

Cheers -

Rob



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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2013, 04:36 PM »
Thats great Axminster are getting them, very easy to get them here then.

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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2013, 04:40 PM »
Thats great Axminster are getting them, very easy to get them here then.

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2013, 05:20 PM »


Hello Peter,

First let me say I watched the video on your Parf Dogs the other night and they are absolutely brilliant! Thank You.
It's fantastic to read that Lee Valley is now going to be producing them. They're absolutely top shelf. I took delivery of their Veritas MFT Clamping Kit last week and will supplement this with Parf Dogs as soon as they become available. They'll be put into immediate rotation and I look forward to getting a lot of great use out of them.
My compliments on all of your efforts from inception to now partnering with LV.

Best Regards,
Dave
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I'm curious what additional functionality you get from adding the Parf Dogs to an already complete Veritas Clamping Kit (which also includes dogs).
Randy

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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2013, 07:50 PM »
I don't see a link for the Parf Dogs video mentioned in this post. Can someone post the link please?

Thanks
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2013, 02:40 AM »

I'm curious what additional functionality you get from adding the Parf Dogs to an already complete Veritas Clamping Kit (which also includes dogs).

As Peter Parfitt details here starting at 2:45
the Parf Dogs can be used to achieve dead accurate crosscuts on the MFT/3 table without the use of the fence. There are other uses but the crosscutting feature sells me on them.

Dave
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Re: Parf Dogs
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2013, 02:56 AM »
Just to add to Dave's post...

There will be a completely new Parf Dog video produced in the coming weeks and I will attempt to fire up your imagination so that you can find even more applications or ways of using the new design of Parf Dog.

When that new video is on YouTube I will delete the old one.

Peter

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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2013, 05:28 AM »
Be good if you could show them used with the sys mft for us mobile workers

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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2013, 06:38 AM »
Be good if you could show them used with the sys mft for us mobile workers

Well I would if I had one - perhaps if someone at Festool UK thinks that this is a good idea then they could let me borrow one.

Who are the Festool UK employees who use the FOG ? I can then PM them or make sure they read this.

Peter