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« Reply #180 on: August 14, 2016, 07:57 PM »
Thanks for the status Shane.

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« Reply #181 on: August 15, 2016, 05:39 AM »
Thanks for the status Shane.

Hi Steve

I have nothing to do with Axminster's business arrangements and I am sorry that the PGS is not available directly in North America. However, Axminster have established a very efficient delivery system to NA (and ROW) with reports of 3-6 days from ordering to delivery. You can shop in US $ on the Axminster web site and you do not have to pay the European sales tax which gives a 20% saving up front.

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« Reply #182 on: August 15, 2016, 07:24 AM »
Thanks for the status Shane.

Hi Steve

I have nothing to do with Axminster's business arrangements and I am sorry that the PGS is not available directly in North America. However, Axminster have established a very efficient delivery system to NA (and ROW) with reports of 3-6 days from ordering to delivery. You can shop in US $ on the Axminster web site and you do not have to pay the European sales tax which gives a 20% saving up front.

Peter

Thanks Peter, I will check it out.
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« Reply #183 on: August 15, 2016, 09:50 PM »
Finally found time to make Peter Parfitt's UJK Parf Guide System storage box. I wanted to protect the Parf sticks and Peter's box intrigued me. I basically followed Peter's plans, however I modified the box slightly to my own liking. It is a bit longer & wider, finishing out at 1074mm long x 77mm wide. I used 9.5 mm magnets (3/8") so I increased the quantity, using 3 at the Parf sticks end cap & 1 additional at the rear of the drawer just to be assured that there was enough magnetic attraction. Fabricated out of scrap red oak left from a project. I also made a cradle for the long parf dogs. All in all it worked out great.
Thanks Peter for a  unique storage idea for an equally unique shop tool.
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« Reply #184 on: August 16, 2016, 12:57 AM »
@squarecut  that is far superior to my meagre efforts - well done.

I really like the various inserts for the long drawer, particularly the one for the pair of Parf Dogs.

Brilliant.

Peter

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« Reply #185 on: October 22, 2016, 12:06 PM »

I found drilling went smoother when I adopted Peter's method of using the vac hose against the guide. However, it calls for holding it in place during the drilling. That was awkward.  In minutes, I created a shoe to align the hose and now I have a PGS dust extractor feature.

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #186 on: October 22, 2016, 12:15 PM »

I found drilling went smoother when I adopted Peter's method of using the vac hose against the guide. However, it calls for holding it in place during the drilling. That was awkward.  In minutes, I created a shoe to align the hose and now I have a PGS dust extractor feature.
Forstner bits require clearance above them to expel the shavings, otherwise these build up around the cutting edges and this causes heat to be generated and this will cause the bit to expand and the clearances reduced further with more friction between surfaces.  Your idea looks like an efficient and less cumbersome solution and you have all your attention in the area required.  Nice solution. 8)

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« Reply #187 on: October 22, 2016, 12:56 PM »

I found drilling went smoother when I adopted Peter's method of using the vac hose against the guide. However, it calls for holding it in place during the drilling. That was awkward.  In minutes, I created a shoe to align the hose and now I have a PGS dust extractor feature.


Excellent idea.

Peter

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« Reply #188 on: October 22, 2016, 01:52 PM »
All:

I think I managed to get the 20mm bit stuck in the main bushing.  Kind of surprising as I had sprayed a generous amount of WD-40 before and during drilling and I had only drilled about 9 holes before this happened.  I'm guessing I was somehow still generating too much heat (I was continually removing the shavings using a vacuum as well).

Am I out of luck or is there some way I can salvage this?  I'm hoping that I don't have to purchase a new set to complete this.  I had finished all my 3mm holes and was in the process of drilling my 20mm holes when this happened.  I still have something like 200 more holes to go :-(

Any suggestions are most welcome.

Anil
 

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« Reply #189 on: October 22, 2016, 02:02 PM »
You likely have a burr on the shaft from the Jacobs chuck. Feel for the burr and hit it with a file. The bit will then slide out of the guide.

The Jacobs chuck does not need much muscle to seat the bit into the chuck. Go a little bit more softly next time.  WD-40 is good but old fashion 3/1 has better staying power as a lubricant. I don't know if they sell it anymore.
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« Reply #190 on: October 22, 2016, 02:30 PM »
You likely have a burr on the shaft from the Jacobs chuck. Feel for the burr and hit it with a file. The bit will then slide out of the guide.

The Jacobs chuck does not need much muscle to seat the bit into the chuck. Go a little bit more softly next time.  WD-40 is good but old fashion 3/1 has better staying power as a lubricant. I don't know if they sell it anymore.

Thanks Clark.  I ended up (very gently) hammering the bit out of the bushing and cleaning it.  When I try to put it back in the bushing, after a little bit of initial friction it seems to be able to go back in and slide okay.  This time, I've put a generous coating of grease and will see how it goes.  At the very least I know that I can get a new bit and use the other bushing that I have not managed to mess up :-)

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« Reply #191 on: October 22, 2016, 02:48 PM »
Hi @anilveena

I am sorry that you have had this problem. It can occur if the upper shaft of the 20 mm bit has been damaged in the chuck. There have been a couple of other cases and none of them had any reported damage to the bushing and were solved in much the same way that @clark_fork described.

I will investigate ways to minimise the likelihood of this happening and will report back soon. In the meantime I suggest that people tighten their chucks so that there is less chance of slippage.

Peter

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« Reply #192 on: October 22, 2016, 03:01 PM »
Thanks Peter, I will be a little more careful going forward.  I drilled a few more holes after my mishap and they seem to be coming out okay (I'm checking by inserting the Veritas mini-dogs and checking if there's any play).

Thanks again for the ingenious jig and the super helpful videos!

Anil

Hi @anilveena

I am sorry that you have had this problem. It can occur if the upper shaft of the 20 mm bit has been damaged in the chuck. There have been a couple of other cases and none of them had any reported damage to the bushing and were solved in much the same way that @clark_fork described.

I will investigate ways to minimise the likelihood of this happening and will report back soon. In the meantime I suggest that people tighten their chucks so that there is less chance of slippage.

Peter

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« Reply #193 on: October 22, 2016, 04:26 PM »
Hi @anilveena

I am sorry that you have had this problem. It can occur if the upper shaft of the 20 mm bit has been damaged in the chuck. There have been a couple of other cases and none of them had any reported damage to the bushing and were solved in much the same way that @clark_fork described.

I will investigate ways to minimise the likelihood of this happening and will report back soon. In the meantime I suggest that people tighten their chucks so that there is less chance of slippage.

Peter

Murphy's law.
Room for improvement.
The chuck end of the 20mm bit should be reduced diameter.

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« Reply #194 on: October 22, 2016, 04:32 PM »

Murphy's law.
Room for improvement.
The chuck end of the 20mm bit should be reduced diameter.

That is an excellent suggestion but something a little better may be possible.

Many thanks.

Peter

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #195 on: October 22, 2016, 04:35 PM »
What do you have in mind?

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« Reply #196 on: October 23, 2016, 11:43 AM »
What do you have in mind?

Zobo?  Tougher metal for bit? Just a non-Forstner brad-point bit?  A new router-based model PGS eliminating drilling altogether? ( I know... it already exists..(LR32) but a PGS router platform using the 3mm pin system ensures easy layout and presumably more accurate placement.

I got terrible tear out on a Baltic-ply top. Next time, I will try a clamped on backer board. If that does not solve it, I would allocate some time and just flip and do starter holes, then flip again and finish off. The 3mm holes do go through the stock so coming up from the bottom should work.

Another tip: For repetitive work, I found frequent swapping to fresh batteries seemed to work after I got started. Again, I have to say using the vac turned out to be very essential to smooth cutting. Also, the removable Festool Jacobs chuck is one of the best reasons to own a Festool drill.
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« Reply #197 on: October 23, 2016, 02:34 PM »
Hi Clark

It took 3 years to develop the PGS and any changes will receive the same amount of development and testing. There is nothing new for the immediate future although new ideas crop up all the time.

As far as breakout goes... a backing board is a good idea with difficult material but the design of the 20 mm cutter is such that it ought not to happen unless the user pushes too hard whilst cutting. I know that with loads of holes to drill one wants to crack on at a pace but the last 2 mm of each cut need to be done with care.

It is also a good idea to avoid overheating the cutter. I can't remember the figure but I mention it in one of the videos - I think I drill about 4 of the 20 mm holes per minute.

I promise to keep everyone up to speed if there is anything new around the corner.

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« Reply #198 on: October 23, 2016, 02:40 PM »
Hi @anilveena

I am sorry that you have had this problem. It can occur if the upper shaft of the 20 mm bit has been damaged in the chuck. There have been a couple of other cases and none of them had any reported damage to the bushing and were solved in much the same way that @clark_fork described.

I will investigate ways to minimise the likelihood of this happening and will report back soon. In the meantime I suggest that people tighten their chucks so that there is less chance of slippage.

Peter

I bought the UJK Parf Guide to make the @crpaulk 3x6 workbench.  After boring and checking the 162 holes yesterday I can tell you that I am most impressed!

I used my CXS to drill the holes and found that I needed to change the batteries after 30 or so holes.  The removeable chuck was a great help!  I had the same issue with the stuck bit just yesterday and solved it just as @clark_fork did! 

I am making the top out of cabinet grade birch and finding that the tearout can be reduced with a backer board.  I did not clamp the backer but rather just placed it between the top and my sawhorse as I bored each row. 

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #199 on: October 23, 2016, 03:00 PM »
Hi @anilveena

I am sorry that you have had this problem. It can occur if the upper shaft of the 20 mm bit has been damaged in the chuck. There have been a couple of other cases and none of them had any reported damage to the bushing and were solved in much the same way that @clark_fork described.

I will investigate ways to minimise the likelihood of this happening and will report back soon. In the meantime I suggest that people tighten their chucks so that there is less chance of slippage.

Peter

I bought the UJK Parf Guide to make the @crpaulk 3x6 workbench.  After boring and checking the 162 holes yesterday I can tell you that I am most impressed!

I used my CXS to drill the holes and found that I needed to change the batteries after 30 or so holes.  The removeable chuck was a great help!  I had the same issue with the stuck bit just yesterday and solved it just as @clark_fork did! 

I am making the top out of cabinet grade birch and finding that the tearout can be reduced with a backer board.  I did not clamp the backer but rather just placed it between the top and my sawhorse as I bored each row.

Many thanks.

Semper Fidelis my friend.

Peter

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« Reply #200 on: October 23, 2016, 03:26 PM »
The 3mm holes do go through the stock so coming up from the bottom should work.
It will not work because you can not drill 3mm holes at accurate 90 degree freehand. Exit hole will be off.

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« Reply #201 on: October 23, 2016, 04:57 PM »
The 3mm holes are not quite freehand. The bit passes through a bushing. But the holes drilled from both sides guided by the 3mm pilot hole are unlikely to be perfectly square to either surface.

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« Reply #202 on: October 23, 2016, 05:05 PM »
The 3mm holes do go through the stock so coming up from the bottom should work.
It will not work because you can not drill 3mm holes at accurate 90 degree freehand. Exit hole will be off.

The 3mm holes are not drilled freehand;  the PGS set comes with a 3mm drill guide. Again, the PGS is well-thought out in every respect. I will say this, however. Years ago, I got in the habit of working with a small metal tray that I keep on my bench. Between the Parf dogs, the 3mm pins, the drill guide, secondcharged battery I find this tray essential during the process keeping the whereabouts of these parts and items in check.

RE: Tear out. As Peter suggests,  I likely applied too much downward pressure in haste. Haste makes waste.... Indeed.
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« Reply #203 on: October 23, 2016, 06:02 PM »
The 3mm holes are not quite freehand. The bit passes through a bushing.
Got it. This is more complicated than I thought, more steps. Will watch the video.

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« Reply #204 on: December 01, 2016, 09:25 AM »
Just bought myself the Parf Guide system and the dogs. I know what I will be doing this Christmas :)

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« Reply #205 on: December 01, 2016, 09:42 AM »
Just bought myself the Parf Guide system and the dogs. I know what I will be doing this Christmas :)
Axminster are working hard to keep up with demand and have a new workshop annex for the production of the PGS. With their good efforts they should meet all of the pre-Christmas surge in demand.

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« Reply #206 on: December 19, 2016, 08:10 PM »
When @Peter Parfitt came up with this ingenious design for replicating the Festool hole pattern found on their MFT's the Parf Guide System was born. That idea coupled with the manufacturing & distributing capabilities of Axminster Tools & Machinery allowed this inventive piece of tooling to be launched.
I ordered the PGS as soon as the initial inventory was replenished in June of this year and Axminster astounded me with a 4 day delivery door to door (UK to Huntington, NY).
They recently improved the 20mm boring bit making it Centrotec compatible and adding a stop collar. These innovations apparently were in answer to early users complaints of Jacobs chuck slippage burrs on the shank & damage to the cutting edge when the bit accidently slipped through the 20mm guide bushing and struck a concrete floor or other hard surface.
Now, I have yet to produce any of my planned custom bench tops to retrofit my shop work surfaces, or my planned portable surfaces but I know that I will be starting them in January and therefore have to have one of these upgraded boring bits to go along with my Festool CXS & T18 drills. The original boring bit provided with the PGS will be relegated to single hole boring useage in my stationary drill press.
(BTW - I blame Peter for those Festool drill purchases I made after I viewed his video of the Parf Guide System and saw how efficient the operation went with the ability to swap off the drill chucks.)
I therefore ordered the upgraded boring bit and having been spoiled by the swift delivery of the Parf Guide System I became concerned when eleven days passed and package tracking indicated zero movement out of the UK Royal Mail Overseas Facility. I emailed Axminster Export Sales and expressed my concern that it may have been lost in transit. Export Sales replied instantly and shipped a replacement the following day, which I received six days later.
Three days after that, the original shipment arrived. I immediately contacted Export Sales for the proper return instructions and was told to keep the replacement at no charge. Now that is outstanding customer service!
I am very impressed with Axminster's dedication to serve their customers needs. Peter has aligned himself with a most reputable organization and I cannot say enough about the extremely positive experience I have had with them.
In my humble opinion -
Peter Parfitt, the Parf Guide System, & Axminster Tools & Machinery may well be the Trifecta of MFT Replicating.
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« Reply #207 on: December 20, 2016, 01:58 PM »
Hi @squarecut ,

That is excellent feedback on Axminster's Customer Service. Thank you for letting us know.

Peter

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« Reply #208 on: December 24, 2016, 05:49 PM »
Thinking about this one.  Given the number of people who have bought the set, surprisingly little feedback on accuracy.  I assume that means that people are for the most part finding that their accuracy mirrors what Peter was able to achieve?

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« Reply #209 on: December 24, 2016, 11:31 PM »
Just used my set on a 3 foot by 6 foot top for a Paulk-style bench.  It's a great system and really easy to use.  Took about 2 hours from layout to alignment and drilling.  Holes came out perfectly aligned and spaced.

I highly recommend the kit for those who want a repeatable and flexible system with great accuracy!

Peter, I am amazed at your ability to simplify the approach.  Great job!

Neil