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« on: March 15, 2016, 12:09 PM »
Hi Everyone

Imagine being in the middle of a field with just your trestles, a drill and a pair of small clamps. On the trestles is a bare board of MDF. Out of the sky the Parf Guide System (PGS) arrives and with it you are able to create a near CNC accurate array of 20 mm holes with the rows and columns at right angles.

It takes about 10 minutes to make a track saw cutting station for use with Veritas Parf Dogs. If you want to cut 77 holes for a custom bench top then it will take just over an hour.

The PGS has been nearly 3 years in development and has had several working prototypes along the way. All the components (bar a 3 mm drill bit) are custom made to amazing accuracy and I can assure you it does produce brilliant results. After my first year of work I approached Axminster Tools and Machinery and we joined forces to develop and refine the system. In the UK the system retails at £99.95.

Here is the Overview video:


I have also made a video in two parts showing the detail of its use.

Part 1:


Part 2:


Axminster have the initial stock but it will take a day or two for it to be on their web site. Their telephone sales staff can take orders right away whilst stocks last.

Peter

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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 12:41 PM »
What a great idea. How do I get one on the US.

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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 12:43 PM »
Pure genius!
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 12:43 PM »
What a great idea. How do I get one on the US.
I am pretty sure that Axminster will supply to the US but I suspect you have to do that through their web site. The PGS will take another 48 hours to appear there.

I wonder if you will be the first US person to own one?

UPDATE:

I have just spoken to Axminster.
They will deliver to the US. Send an email to export@axminster.co.uk or telephone them on +44 1297 33666

UPDATE:

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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2016, 12:51 PM »
Pure genius!

Hi Cliff,

Many thanks. When I made my mobile work bench I tried a number of ways to get the layout of holes right. I was so frustrated that I knew there had to be a practical solution. I have since replaced the top with a new one made using the final prototype system.

The first prototype of the PGS was a wooden mock-up which I still have. It is made from maple and I remember nervously taking it down to Axminster to show them They have been great.

There seems to be some (non woodworking) press interest in this which could be interesting.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2016, 01:04 PM »
Peter, I hope you are getting a generous cut of the profits. This looks like a real winner.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2016, 01:08 PM »
Peter, I hope you are getting a generous cut of the profits. This looks like a real winner.

I will not be buying a yacht but I hope I may be lucky enough to be able to have a week cycling in the summer.

Cheers.

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2016, 01:13 PM »
When is it in store?

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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2016, 01:19 PM »
When is it in store?

It can be ordered by phone now, hopefully on the website tomorrow but I am not sure how many of the first production run will make it to the stores.

Peter

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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2016, 01:54 PM »
That is such a great idea. Thank you are all the helpful videos!
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2016, 02:09 PM »
That is such a great idea. Thank you are all the helpful videos!

Cheers.

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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2016, 06:27 PM »
This looks great Peter!! Will certainly be having one later this year as i am hoping to finally have a garage to call my own workshop when we move house and this will allow me to create MFT style benches to compliment my MFT3.

Also have to say the other UJK bits I already have are top quality so glad you idea found the quality backing and manufacturing it deserves.
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2016, 06:39 PM »
I was just going to post the video on here but I find you lot already know.

Looks good Peter. I've posted it on the UK workshop forum.


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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2016, 07:29 PM »
Nice !!!
I'm all over this, really cool set up , hope I can get my hands on one
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2016, 07:46 PM »
Ingenious idea and am sure it will so be on my wish list

My one question is how critical is it that the 3mm pilot holes are as near as vertical as possible. If they are not vertical will it introduce error into the spacing of the 20mm dog holes?
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2016, 07:56 PM »
I was just going to post the video on here but I find you lot already know.

Looks good Peter. I've posted it on the UK workshop forum.
Me too lol

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2016, 08:11 PM »
Good on ya Peter!  I love the simplicity of it. Great job keeping everything in line and nice and tidy!  I think you have a winner here... Might have to replace my LR 32 setup to do this now. ;^)

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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2016, 08:33 PM »
Great work Peter! Definitely an interesting product. Thanks for hanging in there with the idea until it was perfect.

A couple of observations
- I could envision a 3D printed dust shroud that would click on the 'bridge'. Though it could introduce some twist hose and all.
- Clearly having a Festool drill with removable chuck makes this easier. A regular drill could be a handful when setting up the 'bridge' for the next holes. What's your experience?

Questions
- What are the accuracy of the finished product. While its stated to be fairly accurate what is the real data ? Like a 5 cut test ?
- Is the 20 mm drill bit a tiny bit undersize as to give accurate holes ?

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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2016, 09:05 PM »
Absolutely brilliant Peter. While I have you I'd like to thank you for all your hard work and videos, I thoroughly enjoy them and get a lot out of them.

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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2016, 10:33 PM »
Quite brilliant and as usual, the videos are completely explanatory. I've sent Axminster an email in hopes to get one here to the US soon  :)

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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2016, 11:07 PM »
Really well designed and executed.  Your videos make you realize 'why didn't I think of that'.  You nailed it with simplicity.

Would love to see this available in the US in time.

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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2016, 02:14 AM »
I was just going to post the video on here but I find you lot already know.

Looks good Peter. I've posted it on the UK workshop forum.

Brilliant - well done. I am not a member of that forum and cannot take on another commitment like that so if there are any questions please get them referred to me either through YouTube or here.

Many thanks for your initiative.

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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2016, 02:20 AM »
Ingenious idea and am sure it will so be on my wish list

My one question is how critical is it that the 3mm pilot holes are as near as vertical as possible. If they are not vertical will it introduce error into the spacing of the 20mm dog holes?

The 3 mm holes need to be as near vertical as possible and that is not hard to achieve with the stainless steel guide provided in the kit. It only takes about 4 or 5 goes with it to sense when things are not upright.

Yesterday I had a woodworking novice visit me (at his expense and nothing was offered or promised in return) and I filmed him doing a small bench top for his garage workshop. He has been woodworking for just 3 months since retirement! He had no problems at all, I took no part in the use of the PGS and he produced a perfect piece of work. I will post a video about this when I can get the editing done.

As I said, nothing was offered or promised but I did give him a set of Veritas Parf Dogs and Small Bench Dogs as a thank-you at the end.

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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2016, 02:37 AM »
Great work Peter! Definitely an interesting product. Thanks for hanging in there with the idea until it was perfect.

A couple of observations
- I could envision a 3D printed dust shroud that would click on the 'bridge'. Though it could introduce some twist hose and all.
- Clearly having a Festool drill with removable chuck makes this easier. A regular drill could be a handful when setting up the 'bridge' for the next holes. What's your experience?

Questions
- What are the accuracy of the finished product. While its stated to be fairly accurate what is the real data ? Like a 5 cut test ?
- Is the 20 mm drill bit a tiny bit undersize as to give accurate holes ?

I am sure that there will be some accessories in the not too distant future - I have a number of ideas which can now be looked at in detail.

The Festool drill with the removable chuck is a great help but not essential - it just helps the operator do the move and does not affect the accuracy achieved.

The accuracy is well beyond the average woodworker's requirement. I use a 12" engineer's square for all of my work and I have done my best in the videos to show the near perfect cuts achieved using that square and the light behind it.

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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2016, 02:39 AM »
Really well designed and executed.  Your videos make you realize 'why didn't I think of that'.  You nailed it with simplicity.

Would love to see this available in the US in time.

neil

This is the very top of the to-do list and I am sure that Axminster will be looking at the North American options very hard in the next day or two.

Peter

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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2016, 02:49 AM »
Brilliant as usual Peter and thanks for the videos that always make things look simple and answer the questions we all want to ask. It's very competitively priced and about the same as a one off CNC top which makes it a must have. In the hands of woodworkers I can see a rash of homemade cutting and clamping jigs breaking out on the fog. I've wanted a simple top for site work but never got round to making one continuing to drag the MFT around and just finished a new workshop in the garden that needs a bench.
I am definatly ordering one to fulfill those needs safe in the knowledge that if it's the wrong shape, size etc all I lose is material and not expensive CNC time.
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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2016, 04:08 AM »
I second what Petey83 said about UJK quality being top notch. I bought one of their mitre gauge/fences and its excellent.
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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2016, 04:22 AM »
Please forgive me taking this short cut to thank everyone for the very kind comments and the encouragement above. As you might imagine, I have been inundated with emails, messages and phone calls and, as a one man band, am working flat out.

Thank you very much indeed.

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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2016, 05:27 AM »
I noticed this on the Axminster website this morning and then discovered this thread!

Great work Peter. I can see many uses for this, jigs setups in particular.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-parf-guide-system-102278

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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2016, 05:35 AM »
I noticed this on the Axminster website this morning and then discovered this thread!

Great work Peter. I can see many uses for this, jigs setups in particular.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-parf-guide-system-102278

Yes, do not be put off by it being "Out of Stock" - the system is set up so that you can still put it in your basket to order it.

Axminster are shipping to North America (and other charming places across the World).

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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2016, 07:17 AM »
Hi Peter,
              Thanks for the video demo. I'll be visiting the UK next month and thought this would be a great item to bring back to Australia with me. I spoke with a nice lady at Axminster today and she said these items are proving to be very popular so I'm on backorder. Lets hope the factory in Axminster will be burning some midnight oil and ramping up production. I'm looking forward to receiving this. thanks again.

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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2016, 08:15 AM »
I volunteered to be the test case in NA, the system accepted the order but note that they have to "quote" shipping.

I recall having this happen on a previous Axminster order, so I expect to receive an email with the shipping quote, from which I have a link to complete the order. Pretty nice system, customer friendly.

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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2016, 08:42 AM »
I volunteered to be the test case in NA, the system accepted the order but note that they have to "quote" shipping.

I recall having this happen on a previous Axminster order, so I expect to receive an email with the shipping quote, from which I have a link to complete the order. Pretty nice system, customer friendly.

RMW

PS - Peter, excellent design. It is no small matter to overcome all the design challenges and end up with a viable product that can be mass produced and marketed for a reasonable price. Kudos to you!

Hi Richard,

That is a brilliant idea to describe the North American ordering process - it will help a lot of people. I am sure that once things settle down there will be a friendly NA stockist or stockists that will make life much easier.

It has been a really interesting and educational process taking the PGS from a germ of an idea with wooden mock-ups to the final product. I have to say that the clever people at Axminster did make sure that finished design was viable in terms of both  manufacturing process and final cost. My final AutoCAD drawing would have taken twice the machining, twice the raw material and hence twice the cost but you could at least have used it as a weapon of mass destruction !

I realise I might be expected to say this but the PGS does truly deliver near CNC accuracy. I have some timings as well - to drill the 3 mm holes at the start of the process takes an average of 20 seconds each and then the boring of the 20 mm holes takes 15 seconds (yes less time) each. I can now do it faster than that but I have been doing it a lot recently. A chap just doing the odd slab from time to time should be able to achieve those figures.

On the subject of timing - someone said to me that he could use the PGS to do a complete new bench top in less time that it would take him to drive to the local CNC workshop.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2016, 09:36 AM »
I emailed Axminster last night and had an email already this morning asking for shipping info to the US. I provided the info, exchanged a couple more emails, completed the order, and paid via Paypal as requested. I found they were very efficient :)

I already have a variety of bench dogs - Precision, Qwas, RipDogs, but no Parfs yet. I decided to order a small set of Parf Dogs from Lee Valley, just in case, so that I was using the entire system as designed.

I'm just at the point of outfitting a new shop and building all the work benches, so this timing is perfect.

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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2016, 12:04 PM »
Well done Axminster for being on the ball, especially with the export orders.

Good luck with the new workshop.

Peter

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« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2016, 02:05 PM »
Really cool design -  Will the 20 mm bit be offered as a replaceable item by Axminster.  From the video, this bit appears to be custom sized to fit the jig.  I'm assuming after a hundred holes it may need to be replaced.  Thanks 
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2016, 02:57 PM »
Really cool design -  Will the 20 mm bit be offered as a replaceable item by Axminster.  From the video, this bit appears to be custom sized to fix the jig.  I'm assuming after a hundred holes it may need to be replaced.  Thanks

All of the components will eventually be available as individual replacement parts. The only ordinary item is the 3 mm drill bit and you can replace that easily enough without any fuss.

I have used my system (lets call it PGS One) to provide photographs for Axminster (about 140 holes cut in ordinary MDF). I have then made my 3 videos - about another 100 holes. I have not made a video of this (but you may see clips of it in my first 3 videos) where I make a 77 hole custom bench top (11x7). On Tuesday I had a visit from an amateur wood worker and we did about 55 holes whilst he was here. On top of all of that I have had some practice goes to check timings for the production of holes. I estimate that I am now over the 400 mark with PGS One.

The 20 mm cutter is a fine piece of precision engineering and not a cheap import. It is so important to the overall success of the PGS that a lot of thought (not mine - but clever chaps at Axminster) has gone into it. I understand that the grinding angles, lapping and so on (or whatever terms should be used - not my area of expertise) are all designed to make the cutter very efficient at removing waste. It certainly does not get hot and just keeps going.

One thing to watch for when you get your PGS. Like many Forstner style cutters, one often gets a disc of material stuck on the end after doing a cut - I have shown this in one of the videos (probably Part 2 of the detailed work). It is there because of the scoring cutting flanging widgity things that help create the near zero breakout. Just make sure that you pull this off before the start of the next cut otherwise it behaves like a washer and nothing happens when you try to do a cut.

I will be releasing a video soon showing the most recent cuts and they are all perfect. There is no breakout on the underside and the sides are very clean. I have a number of videos up my sleeve and they will all use PGS One. I will say if I need to replace the cutter and I will keep everyone informed of any wear and tear.

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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2016, 03:14 PM »
Thanks Peter - Are there any plans to bring PGS One to a US store.   Or is it an exclusive item for Axminster Only?  I'm happy to order it through Axminster although if I can save few dollars in shipping costs then I would prefer to wait until a US store stocks it.  Thanks for the reply. 

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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2016, 03:17 PM »
Thanks Peter - Are there any plans to bring PGS One to a US store.   Or is it an exclusive item for Axminster Only?  I'm happy to order it through Axminster although if I can save few dollars in shipping costs then I would prefer to wait until a US store stocks it.  Thanks for the reply.

I am sure that there will be a North American distributor soon. This is not something I am involved with. In the meantime I am advising people to order direct. I have no timings of any changes I am afraid.

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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2016, 04:06 PM »
Guys, we are working to be able to offer this product in the U.S. market. I will keep you posted as more information becomes available. Thanks.

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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2016, 04:58 PM »

I was just going to post the video on here but I find you lot already know.

Looks good Peter. I've posted it on the UK workshop forum.

Brilliant - well done. I am not a member of that forum and cannot take on another commitment like that so if there are any questions please get them referred to me either through YouTube or here.

Many thanks for your initiative.

Peter

Peter,

The only questions I'm seeing are "when will it be in stock" I don't know if anyone has been given an idea?


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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2016, 05:09 PM »
If only I knew the complexity of warehousing computer systems - Amazon drives me mad at times....

The PGS components are in the warehouse and being packed. I suspect that something silly like the instruction manual is waiting to be put in the carton and so "computer says no".

The PGS is available for order - just click the "Backorder" box and you can go through to the checkout. The items are in stock and a large number of orders have been taken this way.

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« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2016, 08:58 PM »
I just ordered my kit. Shipping to the USA. Axminster was really easy to order from. Used Paypal. I'm excited to use it.

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« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2016, 09:01 PM »
This might as well be my first post here. Hi all!

Thanks Peter for this great new product. Perfect timing was about to drill holes in my new bench. So using Axminster's export email I sent them my address here in AU and within a few hours got replay with direct paypal link. This is how online ordering for international buyers should be done! Very easy and very reasonable shipping rates. Unlike some of the postage rates in the US... *cough* Woodpeckers.

Again thank you Peter for the effort that has gone into this. And thank you for your youtube channel! Without which I wouldn't have had the nerve to spend big on Festool! ;)

Cheers, Jon.

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« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2016, 02:00 AM »
This might as well be my first post here. Hi all!

Thanks Peter for this great new product. Perfect timing was about to drill holes in my new bench. So using Axminster's export email I sent them my address here in AU and within a few hours got replay with direct paypal link. This is how online ordering for international buyers should be done! Very easy and very reasonable shipping rates. Unlike some of the postage rates in the US... *cough* Woodpeckers.

Again thank you Peter for the effort that has gone into this. And thank you for your youtube channel! Without which I wouldn't have had the nerve to spend big on Festool! ;)

Cheers, Jon.

Hi Jon

Welcome to the FOG and what an excellent first post - thank you.

I have done most of my work towards the Parf Guide System and now it is in Axminster's hands to make it, market it and sell it. I think all of that seems to be going jolly well and the initial uptake has (happily) taken us all by surprise.

I am glad the overseas ordering is working so smoothly.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2016, 02:05 AM »
This might as well be my first post here. Hi all!

Thanks Peter for this great new product. Perfect timing was about to drill holes in my new bench. So using Axminster's export email I sent them my address here in AU and within a few hours got replay with direct paypal link. This is how online ordering for international buyers should be done! Very easy and very reasonable shipping rates. Unlike some of the postage rates in the US... *cough* Woodpeckers.

Again thank you Peter for the effort that has gone into this. And thank you for your youtube channel! Without which I wouldn't have had the nerve to spend big on Festool! ;)

Cheers, Jon.

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« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2016, 07:08 AM »
Dare I say "parfect" ? [embarassed]

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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2016, 07:35 AM »
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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2016, 07:42 AM »
This might as well be my first post here. Hi all!

Thanks Peter for this great new product. Perfect timing was about to drill holes in my new bench. So using Axminster's export email I sent them my address here in AU and within a few hours got replay with direct paypal link. This is how online ordering for international buyers should be done! Very easy and very reasonable shipping rates. Unlike some of the postage rates in the US... *cough* Woodpeckers.

Again thank you Peter for the effort that has gone into this. And thank you for your youtube channel! Without which I wouldn't have had the nerve to spend big on Festool! ;)

Cheers, Jon.

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Please let us know how you go with the "parfomatic", I may get one too!

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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2016, 08:55 AM »
Just received Axminster's email as I was reviewing this thread, and placed the order. £109.30 including shipping to the US.

Brilliant!

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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2016, 10:56 AM »
Just received Axminster's email as I was reviewing this thread, and placed the order. £109.30 including shipping to the US.

Brilliant!

RMW

Gosh, that is a excellent.

Every time I get anything from the US I have to pay the duty but then, on top of that, our Royal Mail, who handle the tax collection for our revenue service, charge a further £8 per package.

Good luck.

I wonder who in North America will be the first to post a video of their first custom bench top ????

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« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2016, 01:50 PM »
Hi Everyone

I have just uploaded a video where I film a novice woodworker using the PGS. His name is John Caswell and he is a thoroughly nice guy whom I met at Peter Sefton's open day last year. He was not paid to come to my workshop and did not receive any incentive at all. He was not aware that I was going to give him a set of Veritas Parf Dogs and associated Small Bench Dogs at the end of the filming.

Although the editing makes it skip along at a reasonable pace I have not hidden any disasters or complications. I did not do any of the work other than advising him where to start the first hole and explain how the PGS should be used.

You could not see daylight when he put the 12" engineer's square on the finished work.

It is silly of me not to ask him, but I will shortly, whether he is a FOGger. He has some Festool kit.

Anyway, here is the link:



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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2016, 02:15 PM »
John did a very good job Peter. You didn't need a pro ;)

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« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2016, 02:40 PM »
John did a very good job Peter. You didn't need a pro ;)
I am still looking for a professional woodworker to create his or her own track saw cutting station.

I may have to invite someone in from abroad !

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« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2016, 03:58 PM »
As the novice referred to by Peter, i am a member of FOG, and the process was as straightforward as it looks. I have a system on order as well, to make a larger portable top for cutting sheet goods.

It is great to be able to make tailor-made surfaces with holes only where you need them

I may have to get the Festool drill with the detachable chuck  ;-)

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« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2016, 04:59 PM »
Peter I have a question/concern,it appears from the videos that the 3mm drill guide only rides on top of the holey rule rather than positively inserting into the holes and acting like a hardened guide bush,is that the case?,if so I would be concerned that with repeated use the 3mm drill bit will wear and enlarge the holes on the rule thereby throwing off the accuracy of the whole system,perhaps a larger hole in the rule in which a hardened guide bush could locate would avoid this problem

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« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2016, 05:06 PM »
Peter I have a question/concern,it appears from the videos that the 3mm drill guide only rides on top of the holey rule rather than positively inserting into the holes and acting like a hardened guide bush,is that the case?,if so I would be concerned that with repeated use the 3mm drill bit will wear and enlarge the holes on the rule thereby throwing off the accuracy of the whole system,perhaps a larger hole in the rule in which a hardened guide bush could locate would avoid this problem

The steel rule is hardened steel and needs a hugely expensive drill to cut it on the CNC. The very slight abrasive action of a relatively soft 3 mm drill is unlikely to cause any problems. Next time you go to your workshop try cutting a hole in one of your steel rules.    Peter

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« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2016, 05:10 PM »
Peter I have a question/concern,it appears from the videos that the 3mm drill guide only rides on top of the holey rule rather than positively inserting into the holes and acting like a hardened guide bush,is that the case?,if so I would be concerned that with repeated use the 3mm drill bit will wear and enlarge the holes on the rule thereby throwing off the accuracy of the whole system,perhaps a larger hole in the rule in which a hardened guide bush could locate would avoid this problem

@skinee - had that same thought when I saw what looked like a tiny bit of wear in the Pt. 1 video:



Might have to drill a bazillion holes before it ever affected anything.

If the hole in the Parf sticks was (for example) 8mm, and both the drill guide and pins were stepped with an 8mm protrusion around a 3mm hole, it would probably overcome any issues over the long term.  If there are any issues.  [scratch chin]

Perhaps V2.0?

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« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2016, 05:12 PM »
I suppose if one was really concerned about the drill being in contact with the rule, they could use a hinge drill used for centring pilot holes in doors/frames.


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« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2016, 05:20 PM »
Hi Richard,

You have an interesting idea but it may not be necessary. The final prototype Parf Sticks show the same marks and have been used for so many holes that I could not even guess. I think it might be a pattern due to heat caused by MDF clogging of the 3mm drill. You may have noticed in the videos the higher pitch squeak when I do the 3 mm drilling - that is due to some minor MDF clogging of the small drill. The drill does get warm as one would expect.

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« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2016, 05:35 PM »
Peter I have a question/concern,it appears from the videos that the 3mm drill guide only rides on top of the holey rule rather than positively inserting into the holes and acting like a hardened guide bush,is that the case?,if so I would be concerned that with repeated use the 3mm drill bit will wear and enlarge the holes on the rule thereby throwing off the accuracy of the whole system,perhaps a larger hole in the rule in which a hardened guide bush could locate would avoid this problem

The steel rule is hardened steel and needs a hugely expensive drill to cut it on the CNC. The very slight abrasive action of a relatively soft 3 mm drill is unlikely to cause any problems. Next time you go to your workshop try cutting a hole in one of your steel rules.    Peter

most of these jobber type drill bits are in fact not "relatively soft" as they are made of high speed steel(HSS),they are intended to drill through steel and therefore will abrade and wear the holes in this rule which will, with repeated use, enlarge them,what degree of hardness(Rockwell) are the rules? this is the only weakness in an otherwise excellent system,i suggest further production runs adopt a positively locating hardened guide bush,it would only require larger hole in the rule and a modification of the drill guide,this in my opinion would make this system bulletproof

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« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2016, 05:44 PM »
Or you could just buy some new rulers if they eventually wear out.
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« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2016, 09:04 PM »
As others have said, very nice idea.

But the engineer in me wants to know "how square" you were able to actually achieve, instead of a simple, but unquantifiable "perfect cut". 

Can you follow up with a four-cut measurement of the squareness of the cutting sheet you just created?  I actually thought you were going in this direction when you had "first cut" written on the board.  The quantification I am looking for is along the lines of: "the setup is out of square by Xmm out of Ymm".

And then compare the result to your MFT.
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« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2016, 09:15 PM »
Hi Richard,

You have an interesting idea but it may not be necessary. The final prototype Parf Sticks show the same marks and have been used for so many holes that I could not even guess. I think it might be a pattern due to heat caused by MDF clogging of the 3mm drill. You may have noticed in the videos the higher pitch squeak when I do the 3 mm drilling - that is due to some minor MDF clogging of the small drill. The drill does get warm as one would expect.

Peter

Fair enough Peter. One of my faults is continual tinkering.

And I will repeat Kudos to you for navigating the complex design process and getting a major manufacturer to take on the project.

I have no doubt the set I ordered will be put to good use. Looking forward to the follow-on thread to this one, where everyone starts coming up with clever new ways to use holey sheet goods in the shop.

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« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2016, 10:15 PM »


...  use holey sheet goods in the shop.

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« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2016, 06:26 AM »
As others have said, very nice idea.

But the engineer in me wants to know "how square" you were able to actually achieve, instead of a simple, but unquantifiable "perfect cut". 

Can you follow up with a four-cut measurement of the squareness of the cutting sheet you just created?  I actually thought you were going in this direction when you had "first cut" written on the board.  The quantification I am looking for is along the lines of: "the setup is out of square by Xmm out of Ymm".

And then compare the result to your MFT.

I have just done this and captured it on video in one take - in order to try and counter an sceptics. I started by marking my piece of board so viewers could see if I was up to mischief. I filmed the cutting in one go. I am keeping the pieces as they are and I am happy for any visitor to examine them.

The results will be up with the video in about 8 hours from now - I have a string of very interesting visitors at the moment !

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« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2016, 06:43 AM »
As others have said, very nice idea.

But the engineer in me wants to know "how square" you were able to actually achieve, instead of a simple, but unquantifiable "perfect cut". 

Can you follow up with a four-cut measurement of the squareness of the cutting sheet you just created?  I actually thought you were going in this direction when you had "first cut" written on the board.  The quantification I am looking for is along the lines of: "the setup is out of square by Xmm out of Ymm".

And then compare the result to your MFT.

I have just done this and captured it on video in one take - in order to try and counter an sceptics. I started by marking my piece of board so viewers could see if I was up to mischief. I filmed the cutting in one go. I am keeping the pieces as they are and I am happy for any visitor to examine them.

The results will be up with the video in about 8 hours from now - I have a string of very interesting visitors at the moment !

Peter

Don't think it's about "sceptics". £100 is far too expensive if it doesn't cut the holes absolutely square and an absolute bargain if it does as you'll have MFT tops for life. Don't take people's question as scepticism, just due diligence and curiosity.

Looking forward to the 4 cut video.

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« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2016, 07:25 AM »
Overuse of "PGS" for sure!  [eek]

When I see PGS I think Parallel Guide System.  A unique product needs a unique name.  Now I'm going to be confused...  [unsure]

Nice idea.  Lots of passes required, though.


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« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2016, 07:37 AM »


...  use holey sheet goods in the shop.

RMW

All I hear is a Hispanic accent saying this Richard...

Cheers. Bryan.

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« Reply #69 on: March 18, 2016, 12:03 PM »
Absolutely fantastic Peter! This will surely be on my shopping list the next time I order from Axminster, they ought to be quite happy with your recommendations. I'm sure I'm not the only one placing repeated orders solely because you recommended them.

I do have a question, I plan on making an assembly table with holes and would like to double up on the MDF for strength. Due to space constraints the table will also function as router table. Probably with the Incra LS as fence. Will the drill-bit be long enough for drilling 40 millimeter deep allowing me to screw fasten my parf dogs from underneath?

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« Reply #70 on: March 18, 2016, 12:49 PM »



...  use holey sheet goods in the shop.

RMW

All I hear is a Hispanic accent saying this Richard...

Cheers. Bryan.

Bryan, picture me reading this, puzzled look, re-reading it, still no comprehension, slowly saying it out loud in my best Baba Looey imitation (eh', Queeksdraw...") and finally comprehending...

Yes, I laughed out loud.

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Same genre but I was hearing Speedy Gonzalez!

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« Reply #71 on: March 18, 2016, 01:34 PM »
Absolutely fantastic Peter! This will surely be on my shopping list the next time I order from Axminster, they ought to be quite happy with your recommendations. I'm sure I'm not the only one placing repeated orders solely because you recommended them.

I do have a question, I plan on making an assembly table with holes and would like to double up on the MDF for strength. Due to space constraints the table will also function as router table. Probably with the Incra LS as fence. Will the drill-bit be long enough for drilling 40 millimeter deep allowing me to screw fasten my parf dogs from underneath?

I think that it will be about 8 mm short of going through without having a really short amount in the chuck. It is not much of a problem if you would be happy to complete the last 8-10 mm by hand - by then the 20 mm hole already drilled will provide the accuracy for Parf Dog alignment.

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« Reply #72 on: March 18, 2016, 02:38 PM »
Hi Everyone

I have made a video that shows the 4 cut test being done in the track saw cutting station that I created using the UJK Parf Guide System. Here is the link:



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« Reply #73 on: March 18, 2016, 04:18 PM »
Hi Everyone

I have made a video that shows the 4 cut test being done in the track saw cutting station that I created using the UJK Parf Guide System. Here is the link:



Peter

Thanks Peter.  If my trig is right, your result of 0.34mm over 402mm is about 1/20 of 1 degree.  I've done 5-cut tests on my Festool MFT/3 (using Parf dogs, of course) and the results have been about the same as that.

Edit: Actually, your results may be better than 1/20 of a degree -- I forgot to divide by 4 for the 4 cuts.  You may be closer to 1/80 of a degree.
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« Reply #74 on: March 18, 2016, 04:21 PM »
Excellent. The MFT3 is probably produced on a CNC so I am pleased with that.

Many thanks.

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« Reply #75 on: March 18, 2016, 05:42 PM »
Thanks -- I guess I was the one that provided the "challenge", but I hope it did not come across as confrontational.

What those numbers mean is that if you were to do a cut that was 1608mm long, you'd be out of square by 0.3mm, which by all measures should be acceptable. 

Your value of 0.0002 is in radians.  This can easily be converted to 0.2millirad.  To convert to degrees (for angles this small) you multiply by 180/pi which comes out to 0.011 deg, or 0.69 minutes of arc (arc minutes), or 41 seconds of arc (arc seconds).
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« Reply #76 on: March 18, 2016, 05:55 PM »
Thanks -- I guess I was the one that provided the "challenge", but I hope it did not come across as confrontational.

What those numbers mean is that if you were to do a cut that was 1406mm long, you'd be out of square by 0.3mm, which by all measures should be acceptable. 

Your value of 0.0002 is in radians.  This can easily be converted to 0.2millirad.  To convert to degrees (for angles this small) you multiply by 180/pi which comes out to 0.011 deg, or 0.69 minutes of arc (arc minutes), or 41 seconds of arc (arc seconds).

Those who know my real background will understand that I love a challenge and I must say that I am really grateful to be encouraged to check this out. I did not realise just how accurate the PGS might be other tan putting my engineer's square across a cut.

I think that in all fairness that results may vary by a little up and down depending on so many other factors. Even so, the overall accuracy is such that even with a poor following wind the results are still far better than most woodworking tasks demand.

Thank you.

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« Reply #77 on: March 18, 2016, 05:59 PM »
Thanks -- I guess I was the one that provided the "challenge", but I hope it did not come across as confrontational.

What those numbers mean is that if you were to do a cut that was 1608mm long, you'd be out of square by 0.3mm, which by all measures should be acceptable. 

Your value of 0.0002 is in radians.  This can easily be converted to 0.2millirad.  To convert to degrees (for angles this small) you multiply by 180/pi which comes out to 0.011 deg, or 0.69 minutes of arc (arc minutes), or 41 seconds of arc (arc seconds).

I don't understand half of that [big grin]. But the headline figure of 0.3 MM over 1.6 metres should be more than acceptable for any form of joinery.

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« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2016, 06:01 PM »
Great video Peter, and thank you going above and beyond and doing the test. I also hope that my request wasn't seen as negative, which certainly wasn't the intention. Always good to have a test to back it up.

Looking forward to see it on this side of the pond.

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« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2016, 06:03 PM »
Thanks -- I guess I was the one that provided the "challenge", but I hope it did not come across as confrontational.

What those numbers mean is that if you were to do a cut that was 1608mm long, you'd be out of square by 0.3mm, which by all measures should be acceptable. 

Your value of 0.0002 is in radians.  This can easily be converted to 0.2millirad.  To convert to degrees (for angles this small) you multiply by 180/pi which comes out to 0.011 deg, or 0.69 minutes of arc (arc minutes), or 41 seconds of arc (arc seconds).

I don't understand half of that [big grin]. But the headline figure of 0.3 MM over 1.6 metres should be more than acceptable for any form of joinery.

... you managed to get to half - well done. I ran out of fingers  before we got to the clock stuff - I think I will stick to woodwork and leave this detail to Steven Hawking.

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« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2016, 06:28 PM »
It would still be interesting to compare this value to one from an MFT.  Then you can make quantifiable claims.

BTW, you pointed out the "squishiness" of the MFT as a factor in the measurement.  That is true.  The measurement is also more than just the errors in the layout.  How well the parf dogs fit in the holes, as well as your "process" (e.g. always pushing one one side) are included.
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« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2016, 01:50 AM »
It would still be interesting to compare this value to one from an MFT.  Then you can make quantifiable claims.

BTW, you pointed out the "squishiness" of the MFT as a factor in the measurement.  That is true.  The measurement is also more than just the errors in the layout.  How well the parf dogs fit in the holes, as well as your "process" (e.g. always pushing one one side) are included.

The Parf Guide System uses a very precise "20 mm" drill which with the equally precise Veritas Parf and Small Bench Dogs produces an excellent fit. Those same dogs in the MFT move around a little more and hence may contribute to some loss of accuracy.

It is not right for me to criticise the Festool design as they did not originally intend the MFT3 to be used with dogs for accurate cutting - they have their own solution (which adds more than the cost of the PGS to the price).

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« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2016, 03:02 AM »
I do have a question, I plan on making an assembly table with holes and would like to double up on the MDF for strength. Due to space constraints the table will also function as router table. Probably with the Incra LS as fence. Will the drill-bit be long enough for drilling 40 millimeter deep allowing me to screw fasten my parf dogs from underneath?

It was silly of me to think that you need to drill the dog holes all the way through. On my own mobile bench the place where the Parf Dogs go is 55 mm thick. I have drilled the 20 mm holes about 25 mm deep and then, by hand with no guide, continued those holes but with an 8mm brad point to allow for the bolt to fix the Parf Dogs in place.

I do not routinely fix the Veritas Small Bench Dogs in place and so those holes can just stop at about 25 mm. In my 4 cut test video the Small Dogs were just loose and not secured at all. The Parf Dogs were screwed from undersneath in the normal way.

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« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2016, 05:07 AM »
Hi Peter

Looks Like a very well thought out idea. I'm ok for holes at the moment but will definatly get one as the need arises. I could see it become addictive and every horizontal surface becoming peperd with holes

Just a thought. With another guide bush and drill bit and maybe a couple more holes it could it be used as a LR32 system ?


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« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2016, 01:05 PM »
Hi Peter

Looks Like a very well thought out idea. I'm ok for holes at the moment but will definatly get one as the need arises. I could see it become addictive and every horizontal surface becoming peperd with holes

Just a thought. With another guide bush and drill bit and maybe a couple more holes it could it be used as a LR32 system ?

There will be some optional extras in due course to enhance the system as it stands.

Peter

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« Reply #85 on: March 19, 2016, 04:25 PM »
Hi Peter

I will certainly be getting this set up once they are back in stock.
It is simple and effective as are almost all the great ideas, a classic case of "why didn't I think of that".

I plan to make a new top for my MFT along with one for a set of Toughbuilt trestles to make a large sturdy portable set up.
Also I think I could use this in making jigs for use on the spindle moulder and all sorts of stuff.

I must say thank you for your excellent video content on youtube, I appreciate your thorough approach and unlike many other woodworking videos I am seldom left with more questions than answers at the end.
I wish you great success with your invention and hope to see more good woodworking content soon.

Ollie

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« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2016, 02:50 AM »
Hi Ollie,

Thank you so much for your post - it has really made my day and has helped me decide to do the rest of the work on the first "PGS Xtras" video.

Cheers.

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« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2016, 12:23 PM »
Thanks Peter for the 4 cut test. I was on the edge of my seat!! Dont think anyone would think you would cheat! Ive just ordered mine from axminsters on backorder to make myself one for my 8ft x 4ft workbench that ive just made with a completley coplanar surface. Cant wait. Keep up the good work, cheers. (Youtube subscriber, jwardimages)

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« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2016, 01:24 PM »
Thanks Peter for the 4 cut test. I was on the edge of my seat!! Dont think anyone would think you would cheat! Ive just ordered mine from axminsters on backorder to make myself one for my 8ft x 4ft workbench that ive just made with a completley coplanar surface. Cant wait. Keep up the good work, cheers. (Youtube subscriber, jwardimages)

The only thing to watch on your 8 x 4 work bench is how to clamp the Parf Sticks as you create the core set of 3 mm holes (the first row along the top and the first two columns on the left and right). I can do this with my small collection so if you need help just say.

You will have to post some pictures when you are done.

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« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2016, 03:03 PM »
Will do Peter. Thanks for the offer of help!

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« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2016, 01:40 PM »
Brilliant!  Been waiting for something like this.  I placed an order on their website.  I'm in the US so we'll see what happens.

Tom

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« Reply #91 on: March 21, 2016, 04:17 PM »
An eight page manual is now available on the UJK Technology website:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/media/downloads/102278_manual.pdf

This gets a "WOW" in my book.

Do I wait for Shane or just find out what ordering across the pond entails?
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« Reply #92 on: March 21, 2016, 04:22 PM »
Just an update... I have been in contact with Peter's affiliates to get information about importing the UJK. I am waiting for them to provide the necessary information to get the ball rolling. I will keep you posted as soon as I hear something. I suspect they are busy working to take care of domestic sales first. Hopefully, I will have some info soon.
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« Reply #93 on: March 25, 2016, 09:41 PM »
What a great system... I've been looking for a good solution to create accurate benchtop holes.

Could you tell me the shank diameter of the 20 bit? I have an idea to attach a spare  jacobs chuck to the drill bit to use as a quick release...

Thanks for all the great videos.
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« Reply #94 on: March 26, 2016, 02:16 AM »
What a great system... I've been looking for a good solution to create accurate benchtop holes.

Could you tell me the shank diameter of the 20 bit? I have an idea to attach a spare  jacobs chuck to the drill bit to use as a quick release...

Thanks for all the great videos.
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The shank is 10 mm - it is ground to get it precise for the bearings in the drill guide.

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« Reply #95 on: March 26, 2016, 07:47 AM »

Hi,

I want one !  I am in Canada, but my partner is going to be stopping in Heathrow for four hours in May enroute to Paris.  Any suggestions on how this could work ?  Are there any Festool dealers near Heathrow ?  Looking at the map of England it seems like a pretty small country (compared to Canada that is, no offence).

Thanks.

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« Reply #96 on: March 26, 2016, 07:52 AM »

Hi,

I want one !  I am in Canada, but my partner is going to be stopping in Heathrow for four hours in May enroute to Paris.  Any suggestions on how this could work ?  Are there any Festool dealers near Heathrow ?  Looking at the map of England it seems like a pretty small country (compared to Canada that is, no offence).

Thanks.

Brian
Yes there are festool dealers near Heathrow but it's not a Festool product. Axminster are selling it and the nearest one is about 40 minutes drive from Heathrow in high Wycombe.

Will you're partner be able to leave the airport if they're just transferring ?
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« Reply #97 on: March 27, 2016, 04:18 PM »
Another update on our end... We will not be offering the Parf Guide System after all but wish Peter great success with his product.
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« Reply #98 on: March 27, 2016, 07:15 PM »

Hi,

I want one !  I am in Canada, but my partner is going to be stopping in Heathrow for four hours in May enroute to Paris.  Any suggestions on how this could work ?  Are there any Festool dealers near Heathrow ?  Looking at the map of England it seems like a pretty small country (compared to Canada that is, no offence).

Thanks.

Brian

The UK might be small but Heathrow Airport is massive, there are 5 terminals, so unfortunately the stress you would cause to your partner trying to pull this one off would not be worth it, from what others are saying international delivery isn't too expensive on this product.

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« Reply #99 on: March 27, 2016, 07:42 PM »
you would be better off posting it to paris and getting her to bring it back.
airports are horrible places at the best of times without trying to track down a parcel
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« Reply #100 on: March 27, 2016, 07:43 PM »
given that shane has withdrawn from offering this , could a few not get together and buy in bulk to save shipping
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« Reply #101 on: March 27, 2016, 08:06 PM »
given that shane has withdrawn from offering this , could a few not get together and buy in bulk to save shipping
Doubt it's worth doing Alan, have you seen how cheap Axminster are shipping it for ? it's peanuts. 

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« Reply #102 on: March 27, 2016, 08:28 PM »
I haven't.
I hate the new website and also haven't needed to send anything to canada
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« Reply #103 on: March 27, 2016, 08:41 PM »
I haven't.
I hate the new website and also haven't needed to send anything to canada
I've not looked on the site either. I think it was in this thread, I'm sure it was something like £9 more than what people in the UK are paying which sounds a bargain to me.

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« Reply #104 on: March 28, 2016, 02:03 PM »
Unexpected knock on the door this afternoon... guess what the Easter bunny left me?



Giggle.

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« Reply #105 on: March 28, 2016, 02:15 PM »
Couldn't help myself, I had to unbox & fondle. Absolutely first quality set up, fit and finish is perfect.

Congrats Peter, the Parf tools collection continues to expand, proud to say I own the complete lineup so far.

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« Reply #106 on: March 28, 2016, 02:49 PM »
Hi Richard

Lucky you - they are like hen's teeth due to demand.

Here is a little present for you:



The plans will be available on the Axminster web site soon but I can send them, free of charge, to anyone as long as I have an email address !

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« Reply #107 on: March 30, 2016, 10:09 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I am making a PGS Xtras video right now but would like to remind owners to put a dash of oil on the shaft of the 20 mm bit before it is used each time.

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« Reply #108 on: March 30, 2016, 01:03 PM »
Unexpected knock on the door this afternoon... guess what the Easter bunny left me?

(Attachment Link)

Giggle.

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« Reply #109 on: March 31, 2016, 12:16 AM »
Mine was delivered on Tuesday in the UK. I was no, 6 in the back order que if it helps.

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« Reply #110 on: March 31, 2016, 02:23 AM »
Couldn't help myself, I had to unbox & fondle. Absolutely first quality set up, fit and finish is perfect.

Congrats Peter, the Parf tools collection continues to expand, proud to say I own the complete lineup so far.

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Richard,

What was your final total price including shipping, any duties, tax, etc.?

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« Reply #111 on: March 31, 2016, 03:14 PM »
Hi Everyone

I have had all sorts of questions about the PGS and have tackled the most common in a PGS Xtras video - here is the link:



I am sorry that many people are in a queue waiting for their PGS - the demand has taken everyone by surprise but Axminster are pulling out all of the stops to respond.

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« Reply #112 on: March 31, 2016, 04:19 PM »
Couldn't help myself, I had to unbox & fondle. Absolutely first quality set up, fit and finish is perfect.

Congrats Peter, the Parf tools collection continues to expand, proud to say I own the complete lineup so far.

RMW

Richard,

What was your final total price including shipping, any duties, tax, etc.?

@P2P - Total was £109.30 including shipping to the US. $157 in real money. [poke] No duties, etc. The invoice shows £83.30 as the item cost and £26.00 for shipping. I'm not sure how they derived the cost as it is listed at £99.96 on their website.

I already tossed the packing slip but I seem to recall the value was posted on it and visible to customs in both countries, so I assume there are no duties collected on imports from GB.

So it appears that I may have the only set in NA.... do I hear any offers?  [big grin]

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« Reply #113 on: March 31, 2016, 04:21 PM »
The invoice shows £83.30 as the item cost and £26.00 for shipping. I'm not sure how they derived the cost as it is listed at £99.96 on their website.

The £99.96 includes VAT (Value Added Tax) of 20% which as you're not in the UK or EU, you don't have to pay. Hence £83.30.
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« Reply #114 on: March 31, 2016, 04:32 PM »
The invoice shows £83.30 as the item cost and £26.00 for shipping. I'm not sure how they derived the cost as it is listed at £99.96 on their website.

The £99.96 includes VAT (Value Added Tax) of 20% which as you're not in the UK or EU, you don't have to pay. Hence £83.30.

Thanks Garry - never occurred to me. The 20% "discount" off the listed price covered over 1/2 of the shipping cost. I'll have to keep that in mind in the future when browsing Axminster's website.

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« Reply #115 on: March 31, 2016, 07:31 PM »
in the extras video you say to only use even spacing (you use 6 holes) . if you used an odd number for the base of the layout triangle would that put the hole half way between 2 rows of holes

have you thought about using other combinations of holes in the parf sticks . changing the holes would move the hole around, it might allow for some useful angles
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« Reply #116 on: March 31, 2016, 08:51 PM »
@Richard/RMW You may still get a separate bill in the mail for import duties.  At least I have when buying a watch from China.  I don't remember who actually sent the bill for the import duties.  May have been the post office or shipper?  Can't remember.
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« Reply #117 on: April 01, 2016, 01:05 AM »
in the extras video you say to only use even spacing (you use 6 holes) . if you used an odd number for the base of the layout triangle would that put the hole half way between 2 rows of holes

have you thought about using other combinations of holes in the parf sticks . changing the holes would move the hole around, it might allow for some useful angles

Hi Alan,

Many thanks for the additional thoughts on hole spacing. There are a number of variations of Parf Sticks that may eventually see the light of day. A simple yet accurate angle creation option is a possible accessory at a later stage.

Cheers.

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« Reply #118 on: April 01, 2016, 04:13 AM »
I have produced a pdf version of the plans for the PGS box. I assume if I link it here that people can download it at will.

Here goes:

* PGS Box - All.pdf (672.74 kB - downloaded 313 times.)

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« Reply #119 on: April 13, 2016, 07:15 PM »
Message from Axminster today. 

"Due to the unique design of this product, we were expecting demand during the first few weeks to be strong, but we received far more orders than anticipated and it is now out of stock. We are working on manufacturing new stock and are waiting to receive materials from our supplier. The current estimate for this becoming available for despatch is June."

I guess this has turned out to be a hit. Total price with shipping to Montana is £117.30 GBP; $171.23 USD

The only problem I have is my friends now want me to make their table tops. Today's tip.... Keep a lid on this product or come up with a nice fee like a case of favorite beverage....
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« Reply #120 on: April 13, 2016, 07:34 PM »
Message from Axminster today. 

"Due to the unique design of this product, we were expecting demand during the first few weeks to be strong, but we received far more orders than anticipated and it is now out of stock. We are working on manufacturing new stock and are waiting to receive materials from our supplier. The current estimate for this becoming available for despatch is June."

I guess this has turned out to be a hit. Total price with shipping to Montana is £117.30 GBP; $171.23 USD

The only problem I have is my friends now want me to make their table tops. Today's tip.... Keep a lid on this product or come up with a nice fee like a case of favorite beverage....

JUNE, JUNE?? What an absolute joke!


Only kidding [big grin] This sort of new, niche product is absolutely impossible to estimate initial demand for, with no similar existing products in the market place to try to gauge interest. Axminster and Peter would have had no way of guessing how popular it would be.

One word of caution though, don't let QC drop as this sort of product lives and dies by how accurate it is. Wouldn't want to see the bean counters at Axminster pressuring manufacturing at the expense of quality when Peter's name is quite literally on the product!

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« Reply #121 on: April 14, 2016, 01:28 AM »
Message from Axminster today. 

"Due to the unique design of this product, we were expecting demand during the first few weeks to be strong, but we received far more orders than anticipated and it is now out of stock. We are working on manufacturing new stock and are waiting to receive materials from our supplier. The current estimate for this becoming available for despatch is June."

I guess this has turned out to be a hit. Total price with shipping to Montana is £117.30 GBP; $171.23 USD

The only problem I have is my friends now want me to make their table tops. Today's tip.... Keep a lid on this product or come up with a nice fee like a case of favorite beverage....

There has certainly been unprecedented interest in the PGS. Axminster's initial stock came from the first production run (way ahead of launch) but that ran sold out after the first day. Product launch came after the second production run was complete and this sold out later that same week. As a result Axminster are expanding their production facilities and no doubt replenishing stocks of raw material as fast as they can.

I have spent 3 years working on this and for the last 2 years Axminster have been putting in a huge amount of effort as well. Every prototype has been examined with only one aim in mind - to deliver the greatest accuracy possible from a non CNC approach. Neither of us will allow any corners to be cut.

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« Reply #122 on: April 14, 2016, 03:23 AM »
JUNE, JUNE?? What an absolute joke!


Only kidding [big grin] This sort of new, niche product is absolutely impossible to estimate initial demand for, with no similar existing products in the market place to try to gauge interest. Axminster and Peter would have had no way of guessing how popular it would be.

One word of caution though, don't let QC drop as this sort of product lives and dies by how accurate it is. Wouldn't want to see the bean counters at Axminster pressuring manufacturing at the expense of quality when Peter's name is quite literally on the product!

Hi Bob

Many thanks for this.

Over the last 2 years I have got to know the senior people at Axminster quite well. One thing that I can say, and others that know this chap will back it up, the Axminster MD is absolutely passionate about quality and accuracy. Lets not kid ourselves, they still have to cater for a wide range of the woodworking market and so there will be some cheap and cheerful items for people on a budget but equally there are some amazing industrial machines which most woodworkers can only dream about.

They have a reputation for manufacturing quality and the wood turners will be able to vouch for the quality of their chucks which are made entirely in Axminster. Programming a new product into a broad production schedule is not easy and the Parf Guide System, as the "unknown new tool", had to take its place in that schedule. Now that the market interest is clear the Axminster team are increasing their workshop capacity, including man hours and machinery, in order to meet demand.

For me it has been 3 years in which about a dozen significant design improvements have been made along with 7 quite different prototypes. A couple of extra months now may appear as a disappointment, and I fully understand this, but in the grand scheme of things it is indicative of the care and attention to detail that has been there from the beginning.

Axminster will not let you down and they will certainly not let me down.

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« Reply #123 on: April 14, 2016, 06:26 AM »
After reading "June" above I decided to see if I could find out where my backorder (placed end of March) was in the order of things. Axminster replied very promptly, "...we are not expecting to have our stock of the product replenished until July 2016 at the earliest...". While your system looks absolutely brilliant Peter and Axminster have always been great in my experience, a 4 month lead time with no warning or even an update once dates became clearer is a bit much. I'll likely pick one up later down the road but, for now, I've cancelled my order. This will hopefully mean someone else gets their set that bit earlier.

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« Reply #124 on: April 20, 2016, 08:27 AM »
Peter, first off, fantastic job on coming up with this jig.  Second, any chance Lee Valley might try to carry this?  I know they have your Parf dogs.  Just a thought.

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« Reply #125 on: April 20, 2016, 12:56 PM »
The manufacturing and marketing are in the hands of Axminster and so I am not sure who they are talking to in North America. I can see the sense of Lee Valley but it is out of my hands.

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« Reply #126 on: April 21, 2016, 03:45 PM »
Thanks Peter.  Just thought might make it a little easier for NA to get hold of one.

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« Reply #127 on: May 04, 2016, 09:03 AM »
I am glad to say that mine arrived early this week in NA

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« Reply #128 on: May 27, 2016, 11:58 PM »
My set was shipped 05/27/2016 so they beat the June ship date.

The message:

The attached document* provides details of products that have been packed and are ready for despatch.

Looking  forward to using it. Thanks Peter for a splendid invention I will use it with great dispatch or despatch; I will have to decide.
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« Reply #129 on: May 29, 2016, 09:01 AM »
My set was shipped 05/27/2016 so they beat the June ship date.

The message:

The attached document* provides details of products that have been packed and are ready for despatch.

Looking  forward to using it. Thanks Peter for a splendid invention I will use it with great dispatch or despatch; I will have to decide.

Yes, I understand that they are catching up with all the back orders ahead of schedule. Also I think that stock will be on the web site in a couple of weeks time. I cannot be more precise as I am camping in The Netherlands and enjoying some super cycling.

Many thanks for the kind words.

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« Reply #130 on: May 29, 2016, 12:48 PM »
@Peter

Didn't read the whole thread, but I think there's a business case for making the drilling jig available in some form with replaceable bushings so you use use a whole range of Forstner bits to get drill press like vertical accuracy anywhere you want.

Esp if it could mount on a guide rail !

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« Reply #131 on: May 29, 2016, 02:58 PM »
@fritter63

The rail idea is already being looked at but not for the layout of 20 mm holes. I understand your excellent point about interchangeable guide bushes but favour the idea of increasing the range of drills that fit the guide.

Suggestions like these are excellent and a really good way to refine a product or enhance its range.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #132 on: June 09, 2016, 01:48 PM »
I have just spotted that the PGS is now in stock on the Axminster web site. If it sells out again I will promise to tell my family to stop buying them !

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« Reply #133 on: June 10, 2016, 02:45 PM »
I have just spotted that the PGS is now in stock on the Axminster web site. If it sells out again I will promise to tell my family to stop buying them !

Peter

Peter,
When you originally posted the news about your Parf Guide, they sold out before I could get one. I placed my name on their notification list to be alerted when they were back in stock. Axminster notified me yesterday, I sent an email requesting a quote immediately. Their export department contacted me bright & early this morning with my quote which I processed payment for and was sent a shipped comfirmation with tracking within an hour thereafter.
Very professional operation, I am duly impressed. Now it is in the hands of the shipper until I get your brilliant device. Cannot wait as I have new benchtops planned.
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« Reply #134 on: June 10, 2016, 03:55 PM »
I have just spotted that the PGS is now in stock on the Axminster web site. If it sells out again I will promise to tell my family to stop buying them !

Peter

Peter,
When you originally posted the news about your Parf Guide, they sold out before I could get one. I placed my name on their notification list to be alerted when they were back in stock. Axminster notified me yesterday, I sent an email requesting a quote immediately. Their export department contacted me bright & early this morning with my quote which I processed payment for and was sent a shipped comfirmation with tracking within an hour thereafter.
Very professional operation, I am duly impressed. Now it is in the hands of the shipper until I get your brilliant device. Cannot wait as I have new benchtops planned.
Bob

Hi Bob

Brilliant. Axminster have been very good helping with the final development aspects of the PGS and I am now, more or less, out of the loop as they run the production, marketing and sales.

I would love to see some of the custom work/bench top creations from PGS owners.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #135 on: June 11, 2016, 06:30 PM »
Hey, look what finally arrived this week!



Not even opened it yet as I've not got time to use it for a couple of weeks yet but looking forward to when I do!


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« Reply #136 on: June 13, 2016, 08:49 PM »
My Parf Guide System arrived this morning. Took less than 72 hours from shipping confirmation - door to door - fantastic service - all the way from the UK.
Now to build Peter's box to store it in, and then on to new custom bench tops.
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« Reply #137 on: June 14, 2016, 12:51 AM »
My Parf Guide System arrived this morning. Took less than 72 hours from shipping confirmation - door to door - fantastic service - all the way from the UK.
Now to build Peter's box to store it in, and then on to new custom bench tops.

That is a fantastic delivery time.

I would love to see pictures of the box when it is done and everyone will want to see your custom bench tops as they are created.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #138 on: June 14, 2016, 11:37 AM »
Would be great if there was a recommendation for the type of mdf to use for these works tops in general. Some mdf experts out there ?

The local home centers just call it mdf but I'm sure there is quality differences as with plywood. The setup I have in mind would be supported by Stanley sawhorses and 2x4, slides into a slot in the saw horse, with a top on top.

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« Reply #139 on: June 14, 2016, 11:41 AM »
Can you get Medite MR where you are?

It is what I use and it is great quality, has a fairly dense outer layer and I understand it is low in formaldehyde.

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« Reply #140 on: June 14, 2016, 12:59 PM »
Would be great if there was a recommendation for the type of mdf to use for these works tops in general. Some mdf experts out there ?

The local home centers just call it mdf but I'm sure there is quality differences as with plywood. The setup I have in mind would be supported by Stanley sawhorses and 2x4, slides into a slot in the saw horse, with a top on top.

I too am trying to figure out what material to make my worktable...I have settled on covering with laminate but not sure whether to use MDF or baltic birch as the substrate.

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« Reply #141 on: June 14, 2016, 01:29 PM »
I think that there are some great innovations on the way for the materials for the bench or cutting station tops and also for the layout of holes.

We need pictures guys otherwise, like Schrödinger's cat, it never happened !

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« Reply #142 on: June 14, 2016, 02:34 PM »
I think that there are some great innovations on the way for the materials for the bench or cutting station tops and also for the layout of holes.

We need pictures guys otherwise, like Schrödinger's cat, it never happened !

Peter

I think the correct analogy is, that it both has and has not happened.

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« Reply #143 on: June 16, 2016, 11:43 AM »
is that one of those quantum mechanics insider's jokes.

jokes aside, anyone in canada gotten a hold of this? this is hot! but my cnc guy probably isn't too hot about this.

I think that there are some great innovations on the way for the materials for the bench or cutting station tops and also for the layout of holes.

We need pictures guys otherwise, like Schrödinger's cat, it never happened !

Peter

I think the correct analogy is, that it both has and has not happened.

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« Reply #144 on: June 16, 2016, 12:34 PM »
See Steve's original plan and Cad Plan that he has for sale:  http://www.multifunctionslab.com/the-features.html

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« Reply #145 on: June 21, 2016, 06:55 PM »
come from england.

ordered from axminister on friday, got it today! haven't opened yet. gonna use it on two 4x3 3/4" mdfs.

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« Reply #146 on: June 21, 2016, 07:05 PM »
Mine showed up yesterday here in Chicago.  I ordered it less than a week ago.

Looks like a great and useful addition!


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« Reply #147 on: June 24, 2016, 07:40 AM »
I spoke to Axminster yesterday and told them how well their delivery system is working to North America. I hope the system is working as well to the rest of the world - Europe ought to be good.

Well I think that the dollar price will have come down a bit today and so it would seem like a good time to be getting stuff from the UK.

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« Reply #148 on: June 24, 2016, 10:27 AM »
heheh.. don't mean to bring the recent eu split into this, but with the plummeted pound, there's no better time to buy from axminster :) parallel guide, systainer accessories, etc.

Peter, last night i finished drilling all the 20mm holes on the 3/4 mdf. Looks amazing. The system is unbeatable really, even if you have a router. Got a little scared last night when i didn't take heed to your advice of adding oil to the drill bit EVERY time you use it. It got stuck in the bronze bushing. had to knock the back on the ground couple of times to get it out. It shouldn't have any impact on the precision of the bit..

So at the end, i knocked out all the holes i can do with the guide and dogs. I do have some at the corner of the mdf that i couldn't do. Any idea how to do those?

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« Reply #149 on: June 24, 2016, 10:43 AM »
Did the price go up already or do I remember wrong?

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« Reply #150 on: June 24, 2016, 10:46 AM »
heheh.. don't mean to bring the recent eu split into this, but with the plummeted pound, there's no better time to buy from axminster :) parallel guide, systainer accessories, etc.

Peter, last night i finished drilling all the 20mm holes on the 3/4 mdf. Looks amazing. The system is unbeatable really, even if you have a router. Got a little scared last night when i didn't take heed to your advice of adding oil to the drill bit EVERY time you use it. It got stuck in the bronze bushing. had to knock the back on the ground couple of times to get it out. It shouldn't have any impact on the precision of the bit..

So at the end, i knocked out all the holes i can do with the guide and dogs. I do have some at the corner of the mdf that i couldn't do. Any idea how to do those?

Yes, I think Axminster's export department are going to be very busy. I understand that a lot of the PGS stock is going to the US and Canada and the numbers are again more than predicted.

I am guessing that the places where you want holes in the corners already have the 3 mm hole that you would have drilled at the beginning. I also assume that these also lie in a row or column of existing 20 mm holes. If so then use the 20 mm Guide Block with a pair of the Veritas Small Bench Dogs on the long side to position the drilling part of the guide over that corner 3 mm hole. Then drill and you are done. It is covered quite clearly in the videos but one does not realise the significance until you are at the stage that you are at now.

Good luck with the final few holes.

Please do not hesitate to PM or email me if you have any problems.

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« Reply #151 on: June 24, 2016, 10:56 AM »
Did the price go up already or do I remember wrong?

The original £99.96 price was the introductory offer which was supposed to be just for the first production run. Axminster kept it through the second production run and honoured it for all the advanced orders. Things are now where they should be. For people who pay VAT (and certainly those who can claim it back) you will notice that the original discounted price was the current price less VAT.

For all orders outside of the EU your checkout price will be VAT free. Axminster are continually looking for ways to reduce the shipping costs to overseas buyers. They have an Export Department who can handle all queries. Their contact details are: email - export@axminster.co.uk or telephone +44 1297 33666. You can also select US Dollars, UK Pounds or Euros as your currency when browsing the Axminster web site.

I have given those contact details as I have nothing whatsoever to do with the marketing and sales of the PGS.

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« Reply #152 on: June 24, 2016, 11:34 AM »
Thanks for the info. If I had known/registered that I'd considered ordering earlier, ohh well. Not well advertised imho, but that is not your fault. It just happened to align with the brexit when I went back to the web page.

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« Reply #153 on: June 24, 2016, 12:22 PM »
Thanks for the info. If I had known/registered that I'd considered ordering earlier, ohh well. Not well advertised imho, but that is not your fault. It just happened to align with the brexit when I went back to the web page.

I am partly to blame as I should have made it clear on the "Overview" video. As soon as I realised I went through YouTube and put a label saying that the price shown was the introductory price. I think I was so excited when I made the video about something that I had designed and developed that I just bished up.

Sorry.

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« Reply #154 on: June 24, 2016, 12:25 PM »
Just a reminder to people that when pushing the 3 mm pins in to hold either a Parf Stick or the 20 mm Guide Block in place...

The pins only need to go into the MDF (or whatever) by about 6-7 mm. There is no need to insert the pins up to the hilt.

Peter

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« Reply #155 on: June 24, 2016, 01:30 PM »
oh i do have one feedback in regards to the fit of the dogs into the guide. the larger diameter of the dogs i got from lee valley wouldn't go all the way into the guide. the smaller diameter of course fits snugly into the drilled hole (aww.. so perfect. you can even hear the sonic boom when you take it out)

when the drill goes in, it inadvertently can be deviated to one side or another. But no matter, the holes are still perfectly straight!

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« Reply #156 on: June 24, 2016, 03:24 PM »
heheh.. don't mean to bring the recent eu split into this, but with the plummeted pound, there's no better time to buy from axminster :) parallel guide, systainer accessories, etc.

Peter, last night i finished drilling all the 20mm holes on the 3/4 mdf. Looks amazing. The system is unbeatable really, even if you have a router. Got a little scared last night when i didn't take heed to your advice of adding oil to the drill bit EVERY time you use it. It got stuck in the bronze bushing. had to knock the back on the ground couple of times to get it out. It shouldn't have any impact on the precision of the bit..

So at the end, i knocked out all the holes i can do with the guide and dogs. I do have some at the corner of the mdf that i couldn't do. Any idea how to do those?

Do you mean every hole or what?!

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« Reply #157 on: June 24, 2016, 04:09 PM »

Do you mean every hole or what?!

No, If you are doing a new top then you only need to add oil when you first use the drill in one of the two positions in the 20 mm Guide Block. So if you are doing any of the tops shown in any of my videos then you apply oil just twice - once for each of the two positions in the 20 mm Guide Block.

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« Reply #158 on: June 27, 2016, 05:21 PM »
I may have missed this, but I see there are a few who have already received their system in the USA.

Was there any problem or any charges with clearing customs here?

Thanks.

Larry

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« Reply #159 on: June 27, 2016, 07:42 PM »
none at all

I may have missed this, but I see there are a few who have already received their system in the USA.

Was there any problem or any charges with clearing customs here?

Thanks.

Larry

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« Reply #160 on: July 10, 2016, 06:28 AM »
A quick heads up for anyone about to push the button...

I have just spotted that Axminster's warehouse stocks are now showing as "Low" on their web site. Once the remaining items have gone it will be 2-3 weeks before the next batch will be available.

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« Reply #161 on: July 15, 2016, 07:55 PM »
Ordered mine July 9th, paid with PayPal, received today in Southern California, July 15th.

Wow, great service.

Thanks, Axminster!

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« Reply #162 on: July 16, 2016, 02:28 AM »
Now that you have the PGS, your new cutting station or bench top will give you the ability to produce a near perfect square for just a few cents and you can make as many as you like in next to no time...



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« Reply #163 on: July 18, 2016, 11:58 AM »
Ordered mine July 9th, paid with PayPal, received today in Southern California, July 15th.

Wow, great service.

Thanks, Axminster!

no kiddin... i got the best service and turnaround time with axminster.

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« Reply #164 on: July 18, 2016, 12:14 PM »
Ordered mine July 9th, paid with PayPal, received today in Southern California, July 15th.

Wow, great service.

Thanks, Axminster!

no kiddin... i got the best service and turnaround time with axminster.

I get a lot of emails and messages through YouTube and everyone is praising Axminster. I know that they have put a lot of effort into the international shipping.

Perhaps you could leave some feedback for them on the Axminster web site - just go to the PGS product page and scroll down to "Reviews" and then press "Write a Review".  I am sure that the boys and girls at Axminster would appreciate it.

Many thanks

Peter

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« Reply #165 on: July 18, 2016, 04:24 PM »
Ordered mine July 9th, paid with PayPal, received today in Southern California, July 15th.

Wow, great service.

Thanks, Axminster!


no kiddin... i got the best service and turnaround time with axminster.

I get a lot of emails and messages through YouTube and everyone is praising Axminster. I know that they have put a lot of effort into the international shipping.

Perhaps you could leave some feedback for them on the Axminster web site - just go to the PGS product page and scroll down to "Reviews" and then press "Write a Review".  I am sure that the boys and girls at Axminster would appreciate it.

Many thanks

Peter

Axmisnter are absolutely brilliant. The staff in my local store almost make me feel embarrassed with how much time and effort they put into researching and answering any queries I might have about any product.

Though in all honesty I think most of them are either very knowledgable or very eager to learn more themselves and actually relish the chance to geek out a little and pass on their knowledge or accept the challenge of finding out something they don't already know.
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« Reply #166 on: July 18, 2016, 07:42 PM »
I remember when Axminster tools had their little shop on the Chard road opposite the secondary school way back when i as at school there in the late 70's. Bought lots of tools there when i was a kid and still have most of them. Now that i live down under i still buy tools from them and just bought the parf guide system to give it a go making some benchtops.

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« Reply #167 on: July 27, 2016, 10:27 AM »
Wondering if anybody whose ordered one of these from the US would be willing to comment on the import fees and duties. It sounds like this is out of Aminster's hands, but the costs could be substantial (not compared to CNC costs, but as a proportion of the product). Here's what they told me:

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There will be taxes and duties to pay on the goods,there will be a admin fee of up to £25 but unfortunately we are not able to advise what the other fees may be, but you can contact your local customs office who should be able to give you more information.

Actual numbers would be most appreciated!

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« Reply #168 on: July 27, 2016, 01:53 PM »
Hi Douglas,

I asked the same question earlier in this thread, and got the reply $0.00 from another US buyer.

I ordered mine for Southern California and also had it show up at my door with no charges, so it looks like the US doesn't have any taxes or import duties.

Enjoy,

Larry
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« Reply #169 on: July 27, 2016, 02:13 PM »
No additional costs for me shipped to US (Connecticut - shouldn't matter though)
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« Reply #170 on: July 27, 2016, 05:56 PM »
Received mine on June 13th to New York area- no additional charges as of yet
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« Reply #171 on: July 27, 2016, 06:16 PM »
Received mine with no additional fees and arrived within about 7 days.  Great service and product.

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« Reply #172 on: July 27, 2016, 07:07 PM »
How much are they in USD delivered to a US address?

Thanks,
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« Reply #173 on: July 27, 2016, 08:39 PM »
You'll pay the no vat price (I believe it's 99 pounds now) plus shipping (mine was 34 pounds) converted to  $US dollars).  Get a quote from their export desk  PayPal will do the conversion.

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« Reply #174 on: July 28, 2016, 12:31 AM »
Same quote to western Washington, works out as roughly $175 US (1£ = $1.31 today).

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« Reply #175 on: July 28, 2016, 01:46 AM »
You'll pay the no vat price (I believe it's 99 pounds now) plus shipping (mine was 34 pounds) converted to  $US dollars).  Get a quote from their export desk  PayPal will do the conversion.

Because the European sales tax (VAT) is removed the final price, including shipping to North America, is only about 13 UK pounds more than the price would be if you lived over here.

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« Reply #176 on: August 06, 2016, 07:59 AM »
To answer my own question, the bill came to USD$177.94 to the door. AMEX added another USD$4.80 for a foreign transaction fee. The product arrived 7 days after ordering, and looks to be of excellent quality.

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« Reply #177 on: August 06, 2016, 09:16 AM »
To answer my own question, the bill came to USD$177.94 to the door. AMEX added another USD$4.80 for a foreign transaction fee. The product arrived 7 days after ordering, and looks to be of excellent quality.

Scott
That is 135 UK Pounds and so only 15 Pounds more than the UK price which for delivery across the Pond is excellent.

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« Reply #178 on: August 14, 2016, 06:02 PM »
Just an update... I have been in contact with Peter's affiliates to get information about importing the UJK. I am waiting for them to provide the necessary information to get the ball rolling. I will keep you posted as soon as I hear something. I suspect they are busy working to take care of domestic sales first. Hopefully, I will have some info soon.

@Shane Holland - Any update on whether Toolnut will import the JJK?
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« Reply #179 on: August 14, 2016, 06:24 PM »
@Steve Rowe, we evaluated bringing this product in and could not come to a workable agreement unfortunately. Sorry if I failed to follow up as promised.
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« Reply #180 on: August 14, 2016, 07:57 PM »
Thanks for the status Shane.

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« Reply #181 on: August 15, 2016, 05:39 AM »
Thanks for the status Shane.

Hi Steve

I have nothing to do with Axminster's business arrangements and I am sorry that the PGS is not available directly in North America. However, Axminster have established a very efficient delivery system to NA (and ROW) with reports of 3-6 days from ordering to delivery. You can shop in US $ on the Axminster web site and you do not have to pay the European sales tax which gives a 20% saving up front.

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« Reply #182 on: August 15, 2016, 07:24 AM »
Thanks for the status Shane.

Hi Steve

I have nothing to do with Axminster's business arrangements and I am sorry that the PGS is not available directly in North America. However, Axminster have established a very efficient delivery system to NA (and ROW) with reports of 3-6 days from ordering to delivery. You can shop in US $ on the Axminster web site and you do not have to pay the European sales tax which gives a 20% saving up front.

Peter

Thanks Peter, I will check it out.
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« Reply #183 on: August 15, 2016, 09:50 PM »
Finally found time to make Peter Parfitt's UJK Parf Guide System storage box. I wanted to protect the Parf sticks and Peter's box intrigued me. I basically followed Peter's plans, however I modified the box slightly to my own liking. It is a bit longer & wider, finishing out at 1074mm long x 77mm wide. I used 9.5 mm magnets (3/8") so I increased the quantity, using 3 at the Parf sticks end cap & 1 additional at the rear of the drawer just to be assured that there was enough magnetic attraction. Fabricated out of scrap red oak left from a project. I also made a cradle for the long parf dogs. All in all it worked out great.
Thanks Peter for a  unique storage idea for an equally unique shop tool.
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« Reply #184 on: August 16, 2016, 12:57 AM »
@squarecut  that is far superior to my meagre efforts - well done.

I really like the various inserts for the long drawer, particularly the one for the pair of Parf Dogs.

Brilliant.

Peter

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« Reply #185 on: October 22, 2016, 12:06 PM »

I found drilling went smoother when I adopted Peter's method of using the vac hose against the guide. However, it calls for holding it in place during the drilling. That was awkward.  In minutes, I created a shoe to align the hose and now I have a PGS dust extractor feature.

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« Reply #186 on: October 22, 2016, 12:15 PM »

I found drilling went smoother when I adopted Peter's method of using the vac hose against the guide. However, it calls for holding it in place during the drilling. That was awkward.  In minutes, I created a shoe to align the hose and now I have a PGS dust extractor feature.
Forstner bits require clearance above them to expel the shavings, otherwise these build up around the cutting edges and this causes heat to be generated and this will cause the bit to expand and the clearances reduced further with more friction between surfaces.  Your idea looks like an efficient and less cumbersome solution and you have all your attention in the area required.  Nice solution. 8)

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« Reply #187 on: October 22, 2016, 12:56 PM »

I found drilling went smoother when I adopted Peter's method of using the vac hose against the guide. However, it calls for holding it in place during the drilling. That was awkward.  In minutes, I created a shoe to align the hose and now I have a PGS dust extractor feature.


Excellent idea.

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« Reply #188 on: October 22, 2016, 01:52 PM »
All:

I think I managed to get the 20mm bit stuck in the main bushing.  Kind of surprising as I had sprayed a generous amount of WD-40 before and during drilling and I had only drilled about 9 holes before this happened.  I'm guessing I was somehow still generating too much heat (I was continually removing the shavings using a vacuum as well).

Am I out of luck or is there some way I can salvage this?  I'm hoping that I don't have to purchase a new set to complete this.  I had finished all my 3mm holes and was in the process of drilling my 20mm holes when this happened.  I still have something like 200 more holes to go :-(

Any suggestions are most welcome.

Anil
 

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« Reply #189 on: October 22, 2016, 02:02 PM »
You likely have a burr on the shaft from the Jacobs chuck. Feel for the burr and hit it with a file. The bit will then slide out of the guide.

The Jacobs chuck does not need much muscle to seat the bit into the chuck. Go a little bit more softly next time.  WD-40 is good but old fashion 3/1 has better staying power as a lubricant. I don't know if they sell it anymore.
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« Reply #190 on: October 22, 2016, 02:30 PM »
You likely have a burr on the shaft from the Jacobs chuck. Feel for the burr and hit it with a file. The bit will then slide out of the guide.

The Jacobs chuck does not need much muscle to seat the bit into the chuck. Go a little bit more softly next time.  WD-40 is good but old fashion 3/1 has better staying power as a lubricant. I don't know if they sell it anymore.

Thanks Clark.  I ended up (very gently) hammering the bit out of the bushing and cleaning it.  When I try to put it back in the bushing, after a little bit of initial friction it seems to be able to go back in and slide okay.  This time, I've put a generous coating of grease and will see how it goes.  At the very least I know that I can get a new bit and use the other bushing that I have not managed to mess up :-)

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« Reply #191 on: October 22, 2016, 02:48 PM »
Hi @anilveena

I am sorry that you have had this problem. It can occur if the upper shaft of the 20 mm bit has been damaged in the chuck. There have been a couple of other cases and none of them had any reported damage to the bushing and were solved in much the same way that @clark_fork described.

I will investigate ways to minimise the likelihood of this happening and will report back soon. In the meantime I suggest that people tighten their chucks so that there is less chance of slippage.

Peter

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« Reply #192 on: October 22, 2016, 03:01 PM »
Thanks Peter, I will be a little more careful going forward.  I drilled a few more holes after my mishap and they seem to be coming out okay (I'm checking by inserting the Veritas mini-dogs and checking if there's any play).

Thanks again for the ingenious jig and the super helpful videos!

Anil

Hi @anilveena

I am sorry that you have had this problem. It can occur if the upper shaft of the 20 mm bit has been damaged in the chuck. There have been a couple of other cases and none of them had any reported damage to the bushing and were solved in much the same way that @clark_fork described.

I will investigate ways to minimise the likelihood of this happening and will report back soon. In the meantime I suggest that people tighten their chucks so that there is less chance of slippage.

Peter

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« Reply #193 on: October 22, 2016, 04:26 PM »
Hi @anilveena

I am sorry that you have had this problem. It can occur if the upper shaft of the 20 mm bit has been damaged in the chuck. There have been a couple of other cases and none of them had any reported damage to the bushing and were solved in much the same way that @clark_fork described.

I will investigate ways to minimise the likelihood of this happening and will report back soon. In the meantime I suggest that people tighten their chucks so that there is less chance of slippage.

Peter

Murphy's law.
Room for improvement.
The chuck end of the 20mm bit should be reduced diameter.

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« Reply #194 on: October 22, 2016, 04:32 PM »

Murphy's law.
Room for improvement.
The chuck end of the 20mm bit should be reduced diameter.

That is an excellent suggestion but something a little better may be possible.

Many thanks.

Peter

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« Reply #195 on: October 22, 2016, 04:35 PM »
What do you have in mind?

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« Reply #196 on: October 23, 2016, 11:43 AM »
What do you have in mind?

Zobo?  Tougher metal for bit? Just a non-Forstner brad-point bit?  A new router-based model PGS eliminating drilling altogether? ( I know... it already exists..(LR32) but a PGS router platform using the 3mm pin system ensures easy layout and presumably more accurate placement.

I got terrible tear out on a Baltic-ply top. Next time, I will try a clamped on backer board. If that does not solve it, I would allocate some time and just flip and do starter holes, then flip again and finish off. The 3mm holes do go through the stock so coming up from the bottom should work.

Another tip: For repetitive work, I found frequent swapping to fresh batteries seemed to work after I got started. Again, I have to say using the vac turned out to be very essential to smooth cutting. Also, the removable Festool Jacobs chuck is one of the best reasons to own a Festool drill.
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« Reply #197 on: October 23, 2016, 02:34 PM »
Hi Clark

It took 3 years to develop the PGS and any changes will receive the same amount of development and testing. There is nothing new for the immediate future although new ideas crop up all the time.

As far as breakout goes... a backing board is a good idea with difficult material but the design of the 20 mm cutter is such that it ought not to happen unless the user pushes too hard whilst cutting. I know that with loads of holes to drill one wants to crack on at a pace but the last 2 mm of each cut need to be done with care.

It is also a good idea to avoid overheating the cutter. I can't remember the figure but I mention it in one of the videos - I think I drill about 4 of the 20 mm holes per minute.

I promise to keep everyone up to speed if there is anything new around the corner.

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« Reply #198 on: October 23, 2016, 02:40 PM »
Hi @anilveena

I am sorry that you have had this problem. It can occur if the upper shaft of the 20 mm bit has been damaged in the chuck. There have been a couple of other cases and none of them had any reported damage to the bushing and were solved in much the same way that @clark_fork described.

I will investigate ways to minimise the likelihood of this happening and will report back soon. In the meantime I suggest that people tighten their chucks so that there is less chance of slippage.

Peter

I bought the UJK Parf Guide to make the @crpaulk 3x6 workbench.  After boring and checking the 162 holes yesterday I can tell you that I am most impressed!

I used my CXS to drill the holes and found that I needed to change the batteries after 30 or so holes.  The removeable chuck was a great help!  I had the same issue with the stuck bit just yesterday and solved it just as @clark_fork did! 

I am making the top out of cabinet grade birch and finding that the tearout can be reduced with a backer board.  I did not clamp the backer but rather just placed it between the top and my sawhorse as I bored each row. 

Semper Fi,
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« Reply #199 on: October 23, 2016, 03:00 PM »
Hi @anilveena

I am sorry that you have had this problem. It can occur if the upper shaft of the 20 mm bit has been damaged in the chuck. There have been a couple of other cases and none of them had any reported damage to the bushing and were solved in much the same way that @clark_fork described.

I will investigate ways to minimise the likelihood of this happening and will report back soon. In the meantime I suggest that people tighten their chucks so that there is less chance of slippage.

Peter

I bought the UJK Parf Guide to make the @crpaulk 3x6 workbench.  After boring and checking the 162 holes yesterday I can tell you that I am most impressed!

I used my CXS to drill the holes and found that I needed to change the batteries after 30 or so holes.  The removeable chuck was a great help!  I had the same issue with the stuck bit just yesterday and solved it just as @clark_fork did! 

I am making the top out of cabinet grade birch and finding that the tearout can be reduced with a backer board.  I did not clamp the backer but rather just placed it between the top and my sawhorse as I bored each row.

Many thanks.

Semper Fidelis my friend.

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« Reply #200 on: October 23, 2016, 03:26 PM »
The 3mm holes do go through the stock so coming up from the bottom should work.
It will not work because you can not drill 3mm holes at accurate 90 degree freehand. Exit hole will be off.

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« Reply #201 on: October 23, 2016, 04:57 PM »
The 3mm holes are not quite freehand. The bit passes through a bushing. But the holes drilled from both sides guided by the 3mm pilot hole are unlikely to be perfectly square to either surface.

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« Reply #202 on: October 23, 2016, 05:05 PM »
The 3mm holes do go through the stock so coming up from the bottom should work.
It will not work because you can not drill 3mm holes at accurate 90 degree freehand. Exit hole will be off.

The 3mm holes are not drilled freehand;  the PGS set comes with a 3mm drill guide. Again, the PGS is well-thought out in every respect. I will say this, however. Years ago, I got in the habit of working with a small metal tray that I keep on my bench. Between the Parf dogs, the 3mm pins, the drill guide, secondcharged battery I find this tray essential during the process keeping the whereabouts of these parts and items in check.

RE: Tear out. As Peter suggests,  I likely applied too much downward pressure in haste. Haste makes waste.... Indeed.
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« Reply #203 on: October 23, 2016, 06:02 PM »
The 3mm holes are not quite freehand. The bit passes through a bushing.
Got it. This is more complicated than I thought, more steps. Will watch the video.

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« Reply #204 on: December 01, 2016, 09:25 AM »
Just bought myself the Parf Guide system and the dogs. I know what I will be doing this Christmas :)

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« Reply #205 on: December 01, 2016, 09:42 AM »
Just bought myself the Parf Guide system and the dogs. I know what I will be doing this Christmas :)
Axminster are working hard to keep up with demand and have a new workshop annex for the production of the PGS. With their good efforts they should meet all of the pre-Christmas surge in demand.

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« Reply #206 on: December 19, 2016, 08:10 PM »
When @Peter Parfitt came up with this ingenious design for replicating the Festool hole pattern found on their MFT's the Parf Guide System was born. That idea coupled with the manufacturing & distributing capabilities of Axminster Tools & Machinery allowed this inventive piece of tooling to be launched.
I ordered the PGS as soon as the initial inventory was replenished in June of this year and Axminster astounded me with a 4 day delivery door to door (UK to Huntington, NY).
They recently improved the 20mm boring bit making it Centrotec compatible and adding a stop collar. These innovations apparently were in answer to early users complaints of Jacobs chuck slippage burrs on the shank & damage to the cutting edge when the bit accidently slipped through the 20mm guide bushing and struck a concrete floor or other hard surface.
Now, I have yet to produce any of my planned custom bench tops to retrofit my shop work surfaces, or my planned portable surfaces but I know that I will be starting them in January and therefore have to have one of these upgraded boring bits to go along with my Festool CXS & T18 drills. The original boring bit provided with the PGS will be relegated to single hole boring useage in my stationary drill press.
(BTW - I blame Peter for those Festool drill purchases I made after I viewed his video of the Parf Guide System and saw how efficient the operation went with the ability to swap off the drill chucks.)
I therefore ordered the upgraded boring bit and having been spoiled by the swift delivery of the Parf Guide System I became concerned when eleven days passed and package tracking indicated zero movement out of the UK Royal Mail Overseas Facility. I emailed Axminster Export Sales and expressed my concern that it may have been lost in transit. Export Sales replied instantly and shipped a replacement the following day, which I received six days later.
Three days after that, the original shipment arrived. I immediately contacted Export Sales for the proper return instructions and was told to keep the replacement at no charge. Now that is outstanding customer service!
I am very impressed with Axminster's dedication to serve their customers needs. Peter has aligned himself with a most reputable organization and I cannot say enough about the extremely positive experience I have had with them.
In my humble opinion -
Peter Parfitt, the Parf Guide System, & Axminster Tools & Machinery may well be the Trifecta of MFT Replicating.
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« Reply #207 on: December 20, 2016, 01:58 PM »
Hi @squarecut ,

That is excellent feedback on Axminster's Customer Service. Thank you for letting us know.

Peter

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« Reply #208 on: December 24, 2016, 05:49 PM »
Thinking about this one.  Given the number of people who have bought the set, surprisingly little feedback on accuracy.  I assume that means that people are for the most part finding that their accuracy mirrors what Peter was able to achieve?

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« Reply #209 on: December 24, 2016, 11:31 PM »
Just used my set on a 3 foot by 6 foot top for a Paulk-style bench.  It's a great system and really easy to use.  Took about 2 hours from layout to alignment and drilling.  Holes came out perfectly aligned and spaced.

I highly recommend the kit for those who want a repeatable and flexible system with great accuracy!

Peter, I am amazed at your ability to simplify the approach.  Great job!

Neil

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« Reply #210 on: December 25, 2016, 05:01 AM »
Hi Neil

Many thanks for your feedback and for all of the others who have mentioned how they are pleased with the PGS.

So far we have not made a lot of effort to promote the PGS as sales have almost matched production since the launch. There will be a bit of a push in the New Year and I hope to release a short video with some tips and other interesting details as soon as I can get back in the workshop.

Happy Christmas everyone.

Peter

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« Reply #211 on: December 30, 2016, 11:16 AM »
Help!

I started building my worktop today. 3mm holes were no problem, holes in the rulers were a bit tight to get the guide pins in but a firm push did the trick.

After drilling all the 3mm holes, the 20mm holes proved to be more difficult. The first hole went well. Second hole the boring bit locked up in the guide. I was able to tap the bit out of the guide, checked the bit and guide for damage, but could not find anything. Inserted the bit back in and it was able to move freely.

So, attempted to finish the second hole, went without problem. Third and fourth holes also no problem. The during the fifth hole, the bit locked up again. This time tapping it out is far more difficult, to the point that I am afraid to apply more force, and the bit is still stuck...

I was drilling at high speed with a Festool C15, wile applying minimal force. Pulled up regularly to clear chips, vacuum hose near the guide to suck up all debris.

What did I do wrong? And what should I do with the bit and guide, to separate them?

Thanks,  Alex.

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I had no patience and searched the forums for more info. Found the info about the possible burr. I tapped out the bit with a little more vigor, and checked both bit and guide. I found burrs on the bit. I hit the burrs gently with a file, and now the shaft of the bit feels smooth again. I can get the bit into the unused bushing, but the bushing used for the 4 holes feels much tighter. I can see scratches in the bushing...

I can't fathom how the burrs got on the bit though. One was on a part of the shaft that is not in the chuck at all... I guess I need to contact Axminster about this?

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« Reply #212 on: December 30, 2016, 12:34 PM »
Help!

I started building my worktop today. 3mm holes were no problem, holes in the rulers were a bit tight to get the guide pins in but a firm push did the trick.

After drilling all the 3mm holes, the 20mm holes proved to be more difficult. The first hole went well. Second hole the boring bit locked up in the guide. I was able to tap the bit out of the guide, checked the bit and guide for damage, but could not find anything. Inserted the bit back in and it was able to move freely.

So, attempted to finish the second hole, went without problem. Third and fourth holes also no problem. The during the fifth hole, the bit locked up again. This time tapping it out is far more difficult, to the point that I am afraid to apply more force, and the bit is still stuck...

I was drilling at high speed with a Festool C15, wile applying minimal force. Pulled up regularly to clear chips, vacuum hose near the guide to suck up all debris.

What did I do wrong? And what should I do with the bit and guide, to separate them?

Thanks,  Alex.

[edit]

I had no patience and searched the forums for more info. Found the info about the possible burr. I tapped out the bit with a little more vigor, and checked both bit and guide. I found burrs on the bit. I hit the burrs gently with a file, and now the shaft of the bit feels smooth again. I can get the bit into the unused bushing, but the bushing used for the 4 holes feels much tighter. I can see scratches in the bushing...

I can't fathom how the burrs got on the bit though. One was on a part of the shaft that is not in the chuck at all... I guess I need to contact Axminster about this?

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Hi Alex

You do need to oil the shaft of the 20 mm drill each time before it is used.

Those burrs cannot get there from going through a bronze bush even if there was no oil. The 20 mm guide is made from aluminium and that could not be the cause.

Contact Axminster and see what they say.

Peter

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« Reply #213 on: December 31, 2016, 06:53 AM »
Ordered mine yesterday. Waiting for it to arrive from the UK.  Thank you for the videos and guidance. That was my first time ordering anything from Axminster, their pricing seemed very fair to me and the service was prompt.  I thought I wouldn't be getting it because it isn't sold in the US, but they seemed fair on pricing, so I think I might actually buy more stuff from their site that isn't sold here.  I'll use it to finally finish my MFTC bench and some built in benches. 

Best Regards,
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« Reply #214 on: December 31, 2016, 08:19 AM »
Hi Alex

You do need to oil the shaft of the 20 mm drill each time before it is used.

Those burrs cannot get there from going through a bronze bush even if there was no oil. The 20 mm guide is made from aluminium and that could not be the cause.

Contact Axminster and see what they say.

Peter

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your reply!

I don't think the part about lubricating the shaft is in the manual. I followed the manual to the letter (to the point of not applying common sense) because I thought the system would specify it if lubrication was needed.

I mailed Axminster, will report back here with their reply.

In the mean time I cleaned up both the bit and the bushing with a piece of sandpaper, and was able to drill all the remaining holes in the MDF. I might have lost a wee bit of precision this way, but at least the set is not unusable anymore.

What I found is that my initial technique of high rpm and minimal pressure does not work well. Low rpm and firm pressure works much better (and faster too). Holes have a bit of tear-out on the bottom, but I intend to round them over for easier clamp insertion anyway.

Thanks, and a happy new year,

Alex

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« Reply #215 on: December 31, 2016, 09:51 AM »
Hi Alex

You do need to oil the shaft of the 20 mm drill each time before it is used.

Those burrs cannot get there from going through a bronze bush even if there was no oil. The 20 mm guide is made from aluminium and that could not be the cause.

Contact Axminster and see what they say.

Peter

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your reply!

I don't think the part about lubricating the shaft is in the manual. I followed the manual to the letter (to the point of not applying common sense) because I thought the system would specify it if lubrication was needed.

I mailed Axminster, will report back here with their reply.

In the mean time I cleaned up both the bit and the bushing with a piece of sandpaper, and was able to drill all the remaining holes in the MDF. I might have lost a wee bit of precision this way, but at least the set is not unusable anymore.

What I found is that my initial technique of high rpm and minimal pressure does not work well. Low rpm and firm pressure works much better (and faster too). Holes have a bit of tear-out on the bottom, but I intend to round them over for easier clamp insertion anyway.

Thanks, and a happy new year,

Alex

Straight from page 6 of the manual:

"NOTE: When making multiple cuts we recommend occasionally smear a light coat of 2-1 oil on the 20mm TCT drill bit shaft to prevent overheating."


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« Reply #216 on: December 31, 2016, 10:34 AM »
Hi @VirtuaLogic

The 20 mm drill shaft is precision ground and you are unlikely to have lost any significant accuracy following the burr incident. I am glad that you are now producing nice 20 mm holes again. You make an excellent point about drill speed as the chippings have to have time to be sucked up into the extractor and so going at not too fast a rate is a good idea.

Hi @bobfog

Many thanks for pointing out that the very important point about lubrication is covered in the manual.

Happy New Year everyone.

Peter

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« Reply #217 on: January 01, 2017, 07:46 PM »
This shows off the potential for Peter Parfitt’s/Axminster’s PGS.

I set out to create an assembly/finishing table with a MFT top.

 With the table surface 18mm Baltic Ply, the PGS made short work of producing a MFT work surface. I added a mitered T-Slot border edge that allows for mounting add-ons such as the combination work-tray and storage cart. I added a two prong remote electrical switch since I use a non-motorized sanding block connected to a vacuum hose. The wood border edge allows fixing the boom to keep vacuum hoses and electrical cords out of the way.

Thanks Peter for a splendid contribution to woodworking.

Details are posted in the Jig section.



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Set up with boom, storage cart, two prong remote plug.
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« Reply #218 on: January 02, 2017, 01:10 AM »
Hi @clark_fork

That is a great bit of work and many thanks for sharing it with us.

I am hoping to be able to release a PGS News video very soon and I will be mentioning some of your observations.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #219 on: January 02, 2017, 06:34 AM »
Hi @VirtuaLogic

The 20 mm drill shaft is precision ground and you are unlikely to have lost any significant accuracy following the burr incident. I am glad that you are now producing nice 20 mm holes again. You make an excellent point about drill speed as the chippings have to have time to be sucked up into the extractor and so going at not too fast a rate is a good idea.

Hi @bobfog

Many thanks for pointing out that the very important point about lubrication is covered in the manual.

Happy New Year everyone.

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 Hi Peter, I received one of the first production runs of the UJK Parf Guide Systems and in the instruction manual there is no mention of using light oil to lubricate the 20mm TCT drill bit. The instruction manual must have been updated for later runs. So if anyone else has an early set they also might find this important information missing.

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #220 on: January 02, 2017, 07:02 AM »
@Peter Parfitt
 Hi Peter, I received one of the first production runs of the UJK Parf Guide Systems and in the instruction manual there is no mention of using light oil to lubricate the 20mm TCT drill bit. The instruction manual must have been updated for later runs. So if anyone else has an early set they also might find this important information missing.

I have mentioned oil in almost every video about the PGS. However, I will contact Axminster now and make sure that they check that there is no discrepancy between the written instructions and those provided on their web site.

Many thanks for the information about your copy of the instruction manual.

Peter

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #221 on: January 02, 2017, 04:33 PM »
I can confirm there is no mention of oil in the instruction manual I received. Must be the older version as well. It is dated 31/03/2016 with REF: 102224.

Also, on page 7 a section of text about Making a Track Saw Cutting Station is printed twice. ("In figure 14 a pattern ... Veritas Parf Dogs will be used").


Nevertheless, the last few days I have used the worktop I made after cleaning up the bit and bushing extensively, and it is perfect. I have not found any slop whatsoever. I was able to make nice square cuts, even used the top a bit creatively as a square by putting the Parf Dogs with the long end through the holes, butting that up to the workpiece, and laying the track against the squared edge of the top. (I had to square up a piece that was larger than the worktop).

I am very happy with the product Peter, thanks!

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« Reply #222 on: January 03, 2017, 02:19 AM »
I can confirm there is no mention of oil in the instruction manual I received. Must be the older version as well. It is dated 31/03/2016 with REF: 102224.

Also, on page 7 a section of text about Making a Track Saw Cutting Station is printed twice. ("In figure 14 a pattern ... Veritas Parf Dogs will be used").


Nevertheless, the last few days I have used the worktop I made after cleaning up the bit and bushing extensively, and it is perfect. I have not found any slop whatsoever. I was able to make nice square cuts, even used the top a bit creatively as a square by putting the Parf Dogs with the long end through the holes, butting that up to the workpiece, and laying the track against the squared edge of the top. (I had to square up a piece that was larger than the worktop).

I am very happy with the product Peter, thanks!

Many thanks for the information. I have already emailed Axminster but I will follow this up with the information that you have given.

I am so glad that you like the PGS, it makes me feel really proud. I just wish Dad could have seen all of this.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #223 on: January 03, 2017, 02:51 PM »
Ooh first post on this forum :)

Having ordered & received the Parf Guide System last week in between the Xmas & New Year i can also confirm the current Manual being shipped by Axminster is the one dated 31/03/2016 with REF: 102224 & does not contain the oiling information. However having watched Peters very informative YouTube videos i was aware of this..

I would like to point out also that contrary to 1 or 2 posts in this thread Axminster are still shipping the original 20mm drill bit with the Parf Guide System & not the revised Hex shank version Code: 102481 with depth stop bushing which is rather disappointing.

Be aware there is 2 versions of the 20mm drill bit on the Axminster website: Code: 102481 new Hex Shank Version & the old original Code: 101841.

Not sure if its possible to order the depth stop bushing as a separate part to use on the original 20mm bits?  but that would definitely be advantageous & if anyone knows the part number it would be appreciated.
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« Reply #224 on: January 03, 2017, 03:54 PM »
Ooh first post on this forum :)

Having ordered & received the Parf Guide System last week in between the Xmas & New Year i can also confirm the current Manual being shipped by Axminster is the one dated 31/03/2016 with REF: 102224 & does not contain the oiling information. However having watched Peters very informative YouTube videos i was aware of this..

I would like to point out also that contrary to 1 or 2 posts in this thread Axminster are still shipping the original 20mm drill bit with the Park Guide System & not the revised Hex shank version Code: 102481 with depth stop bushing which is rather disappointing.

Be aware there is 2 versions of the 20mm drill bit on the Axminster website: Code: 102481 new Hex Shank Version & the old original Code: 101841.

Not sure if its possible to order the depth stop bushing as a separate part to use on the original 20mm bits?  but that would definitely be advantageous & if anyone knows the part number it would be appreciated.

Hi Womble

Many thanks for that update. @AxminsterTools perhaps you can look into this and answer the points.

I am releasing a News and Tips video soon for the PGS and I will cover the straight/hex shank cutter in detail.

Peter

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #225 on: January 04, 2017, 09:32 AM »
Ooh first post on this forum :)

Having ordered & received the Parf Guide System last week in between the Xmas & New Year i can also confirm the current Manual being shipped by Axminster is the one dated 31/03/2016 with REF: 102224 & does not contain the oiling information. However having watched Peters very informative YouTube videos i was aware of this..

I would like to point out also that contrary to 1 or 2 posts in this thread Axminster are still shipping the original 20mm drill bit with the Park Guide System & not the revised Hex shank version Code: 102481 with depth stop bushing which is rather disappointing.

Be aware there is 2 versions of the 20mm drill bit on the Axminster website: Code: 102481 new Hex Shank Version & the old original Code: 101841.

Not sure if its possible to order the depth stop bushing as a separate part to use on the original 20mm bits?  but that would definitely be advantageous & if anyone knows the part number it would be appreciated.

Hi Womble

Many thanks for that update. @AxminsterTools perhaps you can look into this and answer the points.

I am releasing a News and Tips video soon for the PGS and I will cover the straight/hex shank cutter in detail.

Peter

Good Afternoon,

Just to cover of your points. We are working now to update all of our current stock with the most up to date version of the manual, apologies you hadn't received the most recent version. The current version is on our website to download here.

In relation to the recently added Centrotec compatible hex shank cutter, we are continually looking for ways to improve our products and this was identified as a great improvement. It is currently an optional accessory and not supplied with the basic PGS.

Finally, we are currently investigating stocking the depth stop collar on it's own however at this point there is no timescale to this. We hope to have it available on it's own in the very near future.

Many thanks

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #226 on: January 05, 2017, 05:25 PM »
Just a quick reply about the follow up by Axminster: they sent me a new replacement guide block with bushings at no cost. Very good customer service, I have not experienced this level of service from a company often.

Together with the PGS I ordered a set of guide rail clamps; these are a fraction of the costs of the Festool or Bessey branded clamps and as far as I can judge these white label clamps are top notch! Will definitely order from Axminster again in the future.

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #227 on: January 06, 2017, 10:20 AM »
Just ordered mine today, with the new bit and a set of short and tall parf dogs.  For the whole order, shipping was slightly less than VAT, so I got better than the VAT included prices.  The exchange rate was .81 pounds to the dollar (corrected).  BTW, even with shipping, the parf dogs were significantly less expensive than ordering from Lee Valley.

I would never have placed this order without reading this thread.  The combination of Peter's videos and the discussions of Axminster's ordering service and prices, the advantages of the new bit, and the role that the parf dogs play in the whole process made a cumulative impression that made me comfortable making the order.

Now I just have to wait for all of the pieces parts to make it across the pond.
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« Reply #228 on: January 06, 2017, 10:30 AM »
Just ordered mine today, with the new bit and a set of short and tall parf dogs.  For the whole order, shipping was slightly less than VAT, so I got better than the VAT included prices.  The exchange rate was .81 $ to the pound.  BTW, even with shipping, the parf dogs were significantly less expensive than ordering from Lee Valley.

I would never have placed this order without reading this thread.  The combination of Peter's videos and the discussions of Axminster's ordering service and prices, the advantages of the new bit, and the role that the parf dogs play in the whole process made a cumulative impression that made me comfortable making the order.

Now I just have to wait for all of the pieces parts to make it across the pond.

HI @HarveyWildes

It sounds like you are very well organised. Perhaps when you have got the kit you could share some pictures of the top(s) that you make and any other ideas that come to mind (like Parf Hats, the longer wooden blocks with 20 mm holes for right angle clamping and so on).

Hopefully the kit will arrive with about 7 days.

Peter

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #229 on: January 07, 2017, 04:16 PM »
Peter,

The PGS looks like it may be a good option to create a mini-bench top with a moxon vise and more holes - specifically 20mm holes.  E.g. something like this: http://www.finewoodworking.com/readerproject/2014/08/31/moxon-vise-2 .  Maybe 25-30 cm wide by a 70-80 cm long.   

Would the PGS be useful for making a top this small?

Thanks,

Dan.

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« Reply #230 on: January 07, 2017, 05:47 PM »
Hi Guys

About to order the PGS system.
What are the advantages of the Centrotec compatible hex shank cutter? Obviously a compatible Centrotec drill must be used.

Cheers

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« Reply #231 on: January 07, 2017, 07:56 PM »
The main advantage seems to be this according to Axminster.

It prevents the shank becoming burred by a drill chuck. Any such burrs could cause a problem when inserting the shank into the guide bush.

Hence the conversation we have been having regarding the use of light oil on the shaft of original boring bit which Peter mentions in his videos and the online instructions but is missing from the printed manual.

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« Reply #232 on: January 08, 2017, 02:05 AM »
Hi Guys

About to order the PGS system.
What are the advantages of the Centrotec compatible hex shank cutter? Obviously a compatible Centrotec drill must be used.

Cheers

Hi @jason

The actual cutting capability is identical. Both cutters still need to have a smear of oil on the shaft each time it goes into the 20 mm Guide Block at the start of a session.

There have been some cases where users have managed to get a burr on the shaft of the parallel sided 20 mm cutter from the interaction with the user's chuck. The Centrotec (and hex compatible) end will overcome any chuck related issues but this cutter still needs a smear of oil before use.

Having asked a few friends and judging some comments that come to me there are some who would prefer the straight shaft and some who would prefer the Centrotec one. These things are not cheap and it is my understanding that @AxminsterTools  are continuing to sell the PGS with the original cutter as the Centrotec one (which comes with a stop collar) is more expensive. I am sure that they can review this at a later stage but for now the Centrotec cutter is an optional extra and not part of the standard PGS.

Regardless of the choice, these cutters in the 20 mm Guide Block make the perfect size hole for the Veritas Parf Dogs.

Peter

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« Reply #233 on: January 08, 2017, 12:12 PM »
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Peter,

The PGS looks like it may be a good option to create a mini-bench top with a moxon vise and more holes - specifically 20mm holes.  E.g. something like this: http://www.finewoodworking.com/readerproject/2014/08/31/moxon-vise-2 .  Maybe 25-30 cm wide by a 70-80 cm long.   

Would the PGS be useful for making a top this small?

Thanks,

Dan.

It does not matter what the overall size of the PGS top is since it can be laid out and then trimmed to final size. If the only alternative, because of construction. is that it cannot be trimmed to fit, an extension can be added for the rules. In the instant project, it is best to follow Maestro Peter’s frequent admonition to “always have a scheme.” Lay out, perhaps on paper, at 96mm intervals, the proposed overall size of your project and locate  the feet since your “scheme” decides not only where the 20mm holes are but where they Don’t need to be.

To decide on overall size, use this 3rd grade Pythagorean  memory jogger: 1-2-Three-Four-Five-6. This defines the basic three sides of the right angle triangle. By adding a 10mm radius to each end of 96mm centers, the width and depth of the project can be determined thusly:

3 x 96=288mm ( plus end radius)
4 x 96=384mm (plus end radius)
5 x96=480mm  (Diagonal)

So the very minimum width and depth is 288 +20=308mm or 12.57 inches by 384 +20=404mm or 16.49 inches (Allow for some inset.)

Here is a more detailed plan. Instead of the Ley-Valley crank option I have elected to purchase the Benchcrafted version of the Moxon vise. They also have a bench top plan

I include both the more detailed plan and the Moxon vise dimensions.
My version is using Dominos for the underbench support feet and the Benchcrafted Moxon vise:
http://www.benchcrafted.com/MoxonVise.html

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #234 on: January 09, 2017, 12:50 PM »
Clark,

Many thanks for the great feedback.   It looks like the PGS will meet my needs.  Obviously, I have more work to do to lay out the bench, determine exact height, and determine how to best use my 20mm-based clamps and other fittings.   

Again, thanks and best regards,

Dan.

P.s. My MFT 1080 is about about 9 years old now.  Still works great and is my most used tool, but the top is in rough shape.   Obviously using the PGS would make creating a new top both inexpensive and pretty straight forward.   On the other hand, it's not clear to me whether this is the best option.   I.e. It could be that making a custom MFT might be better.   But that's another project.

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« Reply #235 on: January 09, 2017, 01:49 PM »
Dan, I'm curious what you hope to gain from the PGS for your small Bench Top Bench.  The genius in the PGS is in its ability to allow you to lay out an array of 20mm holes in a near cnc accurate pattern, most typically for use with a track saw, but also for woodworking tasks that can take advantage of a larger array than your Bench Top Bench.

My imagination may be lacking but I can't envision a benefit from having the precise layout of holes provided by the PGS on such a small surface, let alone the complexity of setting up the Bench Top into a fixture/jig to allow the Parf Sticks to function per design. (Ideally, they can use a meter-square work surface to take advantage of their inherent designed accuracy).

Clearly, the PGS would be ideal for fabricating a new top for your 1080 or a new MFT, and several of its components might be very useful in drilling the dog holes for your Bench Top Bench.

As a matter if information, I recently received my PGS from Axminster here in Florida; the invoice cost was £99.96, $123.40US.  I bought several other items, among them a couple guide rail clamps that appear to be identical to Festool items that sell for $43 a pair that Axminster gets $8/ea for.  Wish I'd bought several.

The PGS came with the round shank 20mm drill bit, I bought a an extra, centrotec shanked bit and stop collar for $25.67 just because.  I ordered my PGS a week or so before Peter Parfitt announced the change to the centrotec bit being included in the PGS.

Best, Gary

Edit:  Oops.  My bad.  As noted below, My info about the 20mm drill bit included with the PGS was wrong.  Apologies.  Thanks, squarecut.
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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #236 on: January 09, 2017, 02:41 PM »

The PGS came with the round shank 20mm drill bit, I bought a an extra, centrotec shanked bit and stop collar for $25.67 just because.  I ordered my PGS a week or so before Peter Parfitt announced the change to the centrotec bit being included in the PGS.

Best, Gary

@Z48LT1

FYI - Correction
New Centrotec shaft 20mm PGS bit not included in current kits as Peter stated in reply #232 on this thread-

"Axminster are continuing to sell the PGS with the original cutter "



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« Reply #237 on: January 09, 2017, 05:58 PM »
On reflection, I may have overstated the benefit of the meter square work surface with respect to taking advantage of the inherent design accuracy of the PGS and its meter long Parf sticks.  I've not got the mathematical education to back that statement up but it felt right when I was composing my post.  I'm pretty sure using a 6-8-10 triangle has the potential of giving more precise results than a 3-4-5 triangle, but then I may have started making things up.

I doubt any harm has been done, and I apologize for being too quick with my slowing synapses.

Cheers, Gary

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« Reply #238 on: January 09, 2017, 06:40 PM »
On reflection, I may have overstated the benefit of the meter square work surface with respect to taking advantage of the inherent design accuracy of the PGS and its meter long Parf sticks.  I've not got the mathematical education to back that statement up but it felt right when I was composing my post.  I'm pretty sure using a 6-8-10 triangle has the potential of giving more precise results than a 3-4-5 triangle, but then I may have started making things up.

I doubt any harm has been done, and I apologize for being too quick with my slowing synapses.

Cheers, Gary

6-8-10 is 3-4-5 doubled. I only wanted to point out the minimum size possible and to provide an easier to remember way to set the rules. 1-2-Three-Four-Five-6. All setting are multiples of the basic formula. The formula is accurate up to great pyramids of Egypt and beyond. The Egyptians used knots in a rope. Thank goodness for Maestro Peter's improvement with steel rules, a lot easier than a knotted rope.

Apparently some find a small MFT surface useful.

Clark Fork

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Re: UJK Parf Guide System - Videos
« Reply #239 on: January 09, 2017, 11:32 PM »
Dan, I'm curious what you hope to gain from the PGS for your small Bench Top Bench.  The genius in the PGS is in its ability to allow you to lay out an array of 20mm holes in a near cnc accurate pattern, most typically for use with a track saw, but also for woodworking tasks that can take advantage of a larger array than your Bench Top Bench.

My imagination may be lacking but I can't envision a benefit from having the precise layout of holes provided by the PGS on such a small surface, let alone the complexity of setting up the Bench Top into a fixture/jig to allow the Parf Sticks to function per design. (Ideally, they can use a meter-square work surface to take advantage of their inherent designed accuracy).

Clearly, the PGS would be ideal for fabricating a new top for your 1080 or a new MFT, and several of its components might be very useful in drilling the dog holes for your Bench Top Bench.

As a matter if information, I recently received my PGS from Axminster here in Florida; the invoice cost was £99.96, $123.40US.  I bought several other items, among them a couple guide rail clamps that appear to be identical to Festool items that sell for $43 a pair that Axminster gets $8/ea for.  Wish I'd bought several.

The PGS came with the round shank 20mm drill bit, I bought a an extra, centrotec shanked bit and stop collar for $25.67 just because.  I ordered my PGS a week or so before Peter Parfitt announced the change to the centrotec bit being included in the PGS.

Best, Gary

Edit:  Oops.  My bad.  As noted below, My info about the 20mm drill bit included with the PGS was wrong.  Apologies.  Thanks, squarecut.
Gary,

Good question. One thing I shoot for is flexibility.  My MFT is very flexible but it's too low and doesn't work well for certain clamping situations. That bench top bench with Moxon vise in Clark's post above looks just what I need.

Having more, aligned 20mm holes may give me more flexibility when clamping. And, even without more holes, the PGS may make it easier to get the standard holes aligned better.

Finally, I have one of those MFT Systainers shown in Clark's post above. It's worked very well for some work on the house. So a mini-workbench can be very useful. Whether more holes will make more useful is an open question.

Regards,

Dan

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« Reply #240 on: January 10, 2017, 12:04 PM »
Clark, Dan,

I would never disparage the usefulness of the MFT's 20 mm dog holes and the numerous clever clamps and gadgets Festool and others, including esteemed members of the FOG have developed.  My point was that the PGS, in providing the ability to replicate an MFT top, among an infinity of other layouts, provides the crucial ability of making the array near perfectly orthogonal, which gives the system its superpowers.  It's this feature that I fear is lost on a small work surface, making the Parf Sticks much of the PGS superfluous and overkill for Dan's instant purpose.

I'm sure this is  merely a case of my wondering too hard.  I'll talk to my barman about it this evening.  [wink]

Cheers, Gary
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« Reply #241 on: January 10, 2017, 11:08 PM »
I made another example of a benchtop bench Here

See reply 378 and 379.  I made it by using the MFT as a template and hand-tapped a 20 mm Brad bit to space the holes.  Not perfect, but close enough for a benchtop bench.

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« Reply #242 on: January 10, 2017, 11:11 PM »
I made my mft replacement top using the 1400 and the shelf pin system.  TimTool's technique is infinitely clever and is provided in his plans for his Larger workbench.

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« Reply #243 on: January 12, 2017, 12:49 AM »
Here's an article in German showing a mini-workbench that uses Festool clamps:  mini-bench. Interesting idea.

Dan

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« Reply #244 on: January 18, 2017, 12:26 AM »
Just ordered mine today, with the new bit and a set of short and tall parf dogs.  ...

Now I just have to wait for all of the pieces parts to make it across the pond.

They came it today.  FedEx made the delivery.  Everything looked to be in tip top order.

I also ordered a 25mm forstner bit from Lee Valley to compliment the kit.  It will drill holes for the wider diameter of the parf dogs, and it looks like the smaller diameter of the 3mm drill bit bushing.  I was thinking it might help to make that bushing easier to handle if it were inset into a handle.

I may get to try things out this weekend.

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« Reply #245 on: January 18, 2017, 11:16 AM »
Just ordered mine today, with the new bit and a set of short and tall parf dogs.  ...

Now I just have to wait for all of the pieces parts to make it across the pond.

They came it today.  FedEx made the delivery.  Everything looked to be in tip top order.

I also ordered a 25mm forstner bit from Lee Valley to compliment the kit.  It will drill holes for the wider diameter of the parf dogs, and it looks like the smaller diameter of the 3mm drill bit bushing.  I was thinking it might help to make that bushing easier to handle if it were inset into a handle.

I may get to try things out this weekend.

Just a reminder to take a minute to make a chip collector shoe:

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« Reply #246 on: January 18, 2017, 11:25 AM »
...and remember to put a spot of oil on the shaft of the 20 mm cutter !

I have a new video coming out in the next 7 days which gives some News and Tips for the PGS and @clark_fork will get a mention too.

Peter

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« Reply #247 on: January 18, 2017, 04:32 PM »
Peter,

You might want to post in this MPT work table thread: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/new-mpt-(multi-purpose-top)/ .  The UJK looks like it would be a very useful tool for creating an MPT top.

Regards,

Dan.


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« Reply #248 on: January 19, 2017, 01:16 AM »
Peter,

You might want to post in this MPT work table thread: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/new-mpt-(multi-purpose-top)/ .  The UJK looks like it would be a very useful tool for creating an MPT top.

Regards,

Dan.

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Hi Dan,

I have had a quick look at that thread and am not sure if I should just wade in there pushing the PGS. I certainly think that Dan Pattison is doing his best to get his design out into the world and it does not look as though he has any method for producing an array of holes as accurate as can be produced with the PGS.

Perhaps if other people bring up the subject of the PGS on that thread then I will join in if there are any questions about it.

As an aside. I made a triangular square out of yellow plastic a while ago using my TS55 on my track saw cutting station produced with the PGS. I asked Axminster to check its squareness as they have a £25k machine that does that sort of thing and I had an email from them earlier this week - it is just 0.018 degrees out.

Peter

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« Reply #249 on: January 19, 2017, 05:15 AM »
@Peter Parfitt Let's put this into tractable terms...

Sin(0.018)*600-mm = 0.2-mm over a 600-mm length

Or 0.008" over a 2' length
Or 1/128th " over 2'

Certainly good enough for me.
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« Reply #250 on: January 19, 2017, 05:34 AM »
@Holmz

Thank you for explaining the accuracy like that.

I showed the square being made (I actually made a pair) in one of my Workshop Notes videos. I do not normally post links to these videos on the FOG but will in this case as there are several Festool related things in it. At about 7 minutes 55 seconds I show the square being made.

Here is the link:



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« Reply #251 on: January 23, 2017, 10:32 AM »
Hi Everyone - especially in North America.......

Breaking News - it is in the video:



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« Reply #252 on: January 23, 2017, 01:27 PM »
Peter, I've logged onto Lee Valley (USA version) several times and cannot locate Parf Guide System; when searching for this only the Parf Dogs come up.  Obviously it may be too early yet.

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« Reply #253 on: January 23, 2017, 01:38 PM »
Peter, I've logged onto Lee Valley (USA version) several times and cannot locate Parf Guide System; when searching for this only the Parf Dogs come up.  Obviously it may be too early yet.

Don

Hi Don,

Yes, I have seen that. I was warned by Lee Valley that they still had a couple of technical tweaks to do. As the UK time and NA time is so very different I did not want to have to press the go button on the video during my Tempur time ! I am sure that it will be fine very soon. The main thing I felt was to share the good news with everyone in the US and Canada.

I am very excited about this as Lee Valley are a super company to work with and they have made a brilliant job of the Parf Dogs - having the Parf Guide System on their books is good news indeed.

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« Reply #254 on: January 23, 2017, 02:54 PM »
Thanks Peter, and I do understand it takes time to get "things" put in place.  My enthusiasm for the product led to my impetuous desire to order today!  One can only hope, and one can wait.  Thanks, and please keep up the excellent videos!

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« Reply #255 on: January 23, 2017, 03:15 PM »
Thanks Peter, and I do understand it takes time to get "things" put in place.  My enthusiasm for the product led to my impetuous desire to order today!  One can only hope, and one can wait.  Thanks, and please keep up the excellent videos!

Don

It takes me back to Christmas when I was much younger - the waiting seemed so awful !

I am sure that you will be able to order something very soon. Good luck when you do and please leave a review (not sure if Lee Valley have that) but if all else fails put something here on the FOG. Honest reviews help people make up their minds.

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« Reply #256 on: January 23, 2017, 05:23 PM »
Just noticed them on the Lee Valley Canada site, then came here to look for more info on it.  I will definitely be picking one up shortly.

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« Reply #257 on: January 26, 2017, 06:44 AM »
Brilliant kit Peter!  I somehow missed this 9 page thread, but stumbled on these by way of an email from lee valley.  After watching your videos I like them that much more! I hope you can work with LV to bring the rail clips and centrotec bit over the pond as well.  Certainly not a deal killer, but it rounds things out.  Well done!!
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« Reply #258 on: January 26, 2017, 09:14 AM »
Brilliant kit Peter!  I somehow missed this 9 page thread, but stumbled on these by way of an email from lee valley.  After watching your videos I like them that much more! I hope you can work with LV to bring the rail clips and centrotec bit over the pond as well.  Certainly not a deal killer, but it rounds things out.  Well done!!

Ditto on the rail clips.

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« Reply #259 on: January 26, 2017, 09:52 AM »
Hi @RKA and @HarveyWildes

I am sure that Lee Valley are aware of the product and I know that Axminster are aware of the head of steam that is being generated in North America for both the rail clips and the PGS.

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« Reply #260 on: January 30, 2017, 01:22 PM »
Peter, will replacement forstner bits be made available on the Lee Valley website in the future?
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« Reply #261 on: January 30, 2017, 05:08 PM »
Peter, will replacement forstner bits be made available on the Lee Valley website in the future?

I hope so but it is not my call - it is Axminster and Lee Valley doing the business on this.

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« Reply #262 on: January 31, 2017, 11:58 AM »
Hi Everyone

I have just heard that Lee Valley have sold out of the Parf Guide System. It sounds very much like the early days when Axminster first started selling them - cautious levels of early stock and larger than expected orders.

Fear not, Axminster have their new Parf Guide System manufacturing facility fully operational and production is running smoothly.

I hear that Axminster may be inviting PGS owners to send in pictures of their efforts - I do not know any detail and will leave that to them to let people know.

In the meantime, I would like to thank PGS owners world-wide for supporting all of this.

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« Reply #263 on: January 31, 2017, 10:28 PM »
Hi Everyone

I was asked about putting intermediate holes midway between a pair of existing holes either on an MFT3 or a custom bench or track saw station that one might have. I have shown two methods of doing this, and both are very easy, in the following Workshop Notes video. One method shows how to do it if one is creating a pattern of holes from scratch and the second method is the case (that I was asked about by Martin) doing it on an MFT3 or where the 20 mm holes were already in place.

Both methods are very accurate.



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« Reply #264 on: February 01, 2017, 12:28 PM »
I'm a big fan of Lee Valley.  But since they do not offer the 20mm Centrotec bit or the rail clips, I ordered the whole kit from Axminster last Wed. 25 Jan.  Arrived in good shape this morning, 1 Feb.  Thanks to Axminster for the fine service.  And thanks to Peter for what appears to be a great design.  Looking forward to playing with it this weekend.

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« Reply #265 on: February 01, 2017, 02:45 PM »
I'm a big fan of Lee Valley.  But since they do not offer the 20mm Centrotec bit or the rail clips, I ordered the whole kit from Axminster last Wed. 25 Jan.  Arrived in good shape this morning, 1 Feb.  Thanks to Axminster for the fine service.  And thanks to Peter for what appears to be a great design.  Looking forward to playing with it this weekend.

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« Reply #266 on: February 01, 2017, 03:45 PM »
Everything including shipping was 193 pounds which at today's exchange rate should be about US$245 I'm guessing. That's for the PGS plus the extra 20mm Centrotec bit and the rail clips.
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« Reply #267 on: February 01, 2017, 06:47 PM »
Sorry, forgot to mention that I also ordered the large and small Parf dogs (included in the above price).

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« Reply #268 on: February 01, 2017, 08:26 PM »
If you've got a set of parf dogs that were manufactured when they were first released, there may be an issue fitting them into the jig for the PGS.  I'm having trouble with both the short and tall dogs, neither will fit inside the jig, they get stuck halfway.  I do have another set of tall dogs I ordered a year or so ago and those fit inside very tightly.  I'm going to call Lee Valley tomorrow.  I suspect they will just send out a new set of dogs.
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« Reply #269 on: February 02, 2017, 12:51 AM »
If you've got a set of parf dogs that were manufactured when they were first released, there may be an issue fitting them into the jig for the PGS.  I'm having trouble with both the short and tall dogs, neither will fit inside the jig, they get stuck halfway.  I do have another set of tall dogs I ordered a year or so ago and those fit inside very tightly.  I'm going to call Lee Valley tomorrow.  I suspect they will just send out a new set of dogs.

Hi Raj

My Parf Dogs are from that very first batch and you will see them in all of my videos. The fit is certainly snug and if you have a dog inclined slightly it will not pass through the hole. I have alerted Axminster  ( @AxminsterTools ) who should do the checking first.

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« Reply #270 on: February 02, 2017, 01:10 AM »
If you've got a set of parf dogs that were manufactured when they were first released, there may be an issue fitting them into the jig for the PGS.  I'm having trouble with both the short and tall dogs, neither will fit inside the jig, they get stuck halfway.  I do have another set of tall dogs I ordered a year or so ago and those fit inside very tightly.  I'm going to call Lee Valley tomorrow.  I suspect they will just send out a new set of dogs.
@RKA  I am getting ready to use my PGS on new bench tops & your post regarding this problem prompted me to checkout the fit of my Parf dogs to the PGS jig. I basically found the same problem you described much to my chagrin. I tried the 3mm bushing supplied with the PGS & found that it initially was a tight fit as well. This indicated to me that quite possibly the orange finish was of enough thickness to be causing the problem. I decided to try some moderate experimenting to see if I could rectify the issue without going the vendor complaint route. First, I applied a coating of 3 in 1 oil to both the inside of the jig holes & the external surface of the Parf dogs to negate friction. Then I used very fine steel wool on the oiled surfaces to remove any possible foreign matter. Then using extreme patience I proceeded to press each Parf dog into each hole at least a half dozen times. Each time the dog entry got easier. I suspect the tolerances on the hole & Parf dog are very tight to insure accuracy of the system & if the dog is slightly askew it will immediately jam, so care must be taken when inserting it. I have one set of Long & Short Parf dogs I purchased in March 2014 & two pair Short - one pair Long purchased in August 2016 so I do not think the issue is with the dogs, at least in my case. By the way, the long dogs are not used with the PGS. I realize this can be frustrating as one would expect the components to mate right out of the box. Hope my findings help with your issue.
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« Reply #271 on: February 02, 2017, 11:14 AM »
@squarecut @Peter Parfitt

Thanks!  I played with it for 15 minutes last night.  I tried wax and that didn't improve matters with the old dogs.  I too thought the anodization may have added just enough thickness to cause binding.  The newer dogs however go in just right (you do have to be careful not to insert at an angle or it can bind).  If anything it's a little fiddly and I expect oil will smooth it out nicely.  I know it needs to be a very tight fit to maintain precision, but it does seems the older dogs are sized exactly the same size as the hole rather than a thou smaller.  I'll try the oil anyway but I doubt it will improve matters. 

It's very possible they were never milled with this level of precision from batch to batch.  In the way they were originally intended to work, this variation would never be seen or noticed in a finished product, but with Peter's subsequent ingenuity....

BTW, I checked the dates on my orders.  The older dogs were shipped on 10/15/13 and the newer set were shipped on 1/4/16. 
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« Reply #272 on: February 02, 2017, 01:51 PM »
Hi Chaps

Sorry but I have been out all day and have only just returned to base.

Axminster are aware of this and are doing some research now. I do not believe that it is a Lee Valley /  Parf Dog problem at this stage - after all they are making Parf Dogs for track saw cutting stations and Axminster are utilising them in the Parf Guide System to create custom track saw cutting stations. Here are my thoughts but I must stress that @AxminsterTools will need to let us know what they discover.

1.   The fit of the dog shoulders in the 20 mm jig has been made deliberately as close as possible to slop free.

2.   Yes, it is certainly possible for the anodising to be just a dash too thick - or rather the oxide is too thick. This is being looked at by Axminster and their anodising processor.

3.   The deliberate tighter fit means that the dogs may need a little "wiggle" to get perfect alignment for them to pass through.

4.   I would hope that Axminster can give some very simple guidance to users to sort this out which would not invalidate any warranty - something along the lines of what @squarecut has done - but please wait for Axminster's advice.

If the fit of the dogs into the 20 mm guide block were loose then the accuracy might suffer.

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« Reply #273 on: February 02, 2017, 08:11 PM »
@RKA @Peter Parfitt
Have done some more experimenting & I am more convinced that the culprit may well be the anodizing thickness. Went through another series of repetitive insertions of the dogs into the guide bar holes resulting in greater ease of insertion.
Also, I discovered that it is more difficult attempting to accomplish insertion freehand than it is with the guide block positioned above 20mm holes in the work surface. In addition, by utilizing the fastening knob from the Festool clamping elements threaded onto the Parf dog it aids insertion. This practice lines up the dog with the 20mm hole and virtually eliminates the skewing of the dog in the guide block hole thus preventing jamming. I also tried the long Parf dog as a substitute for the knob and that worked as well.
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« Reply #274 on: February 02, 2017, 08:56 PM »
Peter, I tried oil and it didn't resolve the issue, the older dogs will not fit.  But I did realize the bottom side of the hole is a hair wider allowing the dog to get halfway in before it binds.  The top side is narrower preventing the dog from getting into the hole at all.  Trying this same thing with the newer dogs yielded the same results, in the sense it was easier to insert from the bottom and more difficult to insert in the top (but since they are a bit smaller, they will insert fully from either side). 

Hopefully that helps shed some light.  Pics are below in case I wasn't clear in my descriptions.

(Edit 2/13/17)
Just a quick follow up on this issue for those similarly affected.  I deemed the fit a little too tight to proceed with the honing and since I could see variation in the dogs, I asked Lee Valley to send out a replacement set for the ones I purchased in 2013.  The new set arrived last week and the small dogs fit perfectly in the guide.  The larger dogs almost fit.  I could hone the guide a bit, however really speaking, I will only use the short dogs with this guide and they fit perfectly, so why add slop to the fit?  In summary:
-small and large dogs purchased in 2013 do not fit
-large dogs purchased in 2016 do fit
-small dogs from 2017 do fit
-large dogs from 2017 do not fit

Kudos to Lee Valley for their excellent service! 
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« Reply #275 on: February 02, 2017, 10:27 PM »
My first thought is that a very fine valve grinding compound would lap them in for a perfect fit (apply to the inner surface, insert the dog, and gently rotate 180 degrees clockwise and counterclockwise 3 or 4 times, then clean profusely.

If there is a fear of that being too aggressive then try using toothpaste as the lapping compound. It is MUCH finer than  valve compound.

Either would leave shallower scratches than steel wool.

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« Reply #276 on: February 03, 2017, 09:51 AM »
Good Afternoon All,

The tolerances we use when machining the hole in the jig are extremely accurate, the jig is then anodized which gives a better, more durable protective coating.

The anodizing process adds a very small layer on the surface of the block, normally around 15-20 microns in thickness. To put that into context, photo copier paper is around 100 microns. After anodizing all the holes are checked for tolerance using a plug gauge.

The dog and hole are both made to such a high tolerance that very occasionally you may experience the dog being a bit tight when inserting into the hole. If this occurs we would recommend using a very mild abrasive such as brasso / T-cut / honing pastes, or as South Rider recommends toothpaste, between the dog and hole to slacken the whole ever so slightly. This will likely only need a couple of turns "back and forth" to sort.

Of course, should this no remedy the issue or you do not feel comfortable taking the remedial steps then we will replace any guide block FOC.

We trust that helps.

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« Reply #277 on: February 03, 2017, 03:06 PM »
@AxminsterTools
Thank you for your prompt response to this issue - used toothpaste as suggested by your post and combined with my prior experimental remedies, my issue has been resolved. As @Peter Parfitt is fond of saying  - Spot On ! Also a shout out to @SouthRider  for his toothpaste suggestion as well.
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« Reply #278 on: February 03, 2017, 03:48 PM »
Thanx guys - in another lifetime I was a motorcycle mechanic, and apprentice to a true master.

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« Reply #279 on: February 03, 2017, 03:53 PM »
When I was "cut adrift" by my father as I left home after schooling I had £50 to my name. That was a reasonable amount of money in 1968 and I felt reasonably secure as I boarded the train to London with all of my worldly possessions with me.

I had made most of that stash from grinding valves on old cars - for the UK people that was B series engines and the Morris 1000s and Wolsey 1500s come to mind - there were quite a few big ends too.

But I have learnt a little more now and toothpaste is certainly the flavour of the day.

Well done everyone and thank you Mr Axminster for giving great advice.

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« Reply #280 on: February 03, 2017, 04:00 PM »
Thanx guys - in another lifetime I was a motorcycle mechanic, and apprentice to a true master.

In my previous life in Belgium I bought a new Piaggio scooter to get from my flat to work. The last mile was up a very long and steep hill. I picked up my new scooter and was horrified that despite the speedo showing up to 140 km per hour it would only do about 30 kph. I took it back to the shop the next day and said fix it or I want my money back (I said it very politely of course).

I was asked to return 3 days later to collect the scooter. Not only would it easily do 100+ kph on the flat it would go up that hill at 75 kph. I went back to the dealer to thank him.

He told me that he had retired from a career as a mechanic on the race crew for Piaggio ! I am sure that the scooter was illegal or at least not technically covered by my insurance.

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« Reply #281 on: February 03, 2017, 04:52 PM »
Crickey Peter, deja vu or what reading your experiences with the Piaggio dealer in Belgium.

I had a very similar experience when I was stationed at SHAPE and my little scooter found the hill from Maisieres to Casteau to be slightly beyond the capabilities of 50cc's of raw Italian power! However one of the "fixers" took it away for a service and it came back like a snarling beast. Might have been the same fellow!

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« Reply #282 on: February 03, 2017, 05:07 PM »
Crickey Peter, deja vu or what reading your experiences with the Piaggio dealer in Belgium.

I had a very similar experience when I was stationed at SHAPE and my little scooter found the hill from Maisieres to Casteau to be slightly beyond the capabilities of 50cc's of raw Italian power! However one of the "fixers" took it away for a service and it came back like a snarling beast. Might have been the same fellow!

Pat

LOL - I just sent Peter a PM with an almost identical story.  That hill was a pain before the modifications to my motorbike.   [smile]  The hill up Route d'Ath to Jurbise was even worse!
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« Reply #283 on: February 03, 2017, 07:05 PM »
Peter, My avatar is me racing in 1982 on a Husqvarna. For a few years I was fortunate to be named a "support rider" for them, which was a step (a BIG step) below a factory sponsored racer. They would loan us a current bike in January, and you had to reimburse them distributor cost in the Fall, plus there was a parts allowance.

It didn't take me long to realize just how much better the guys at the next level were, and that I wasn't going to be in their number. Manufacturers supported guys like us out of every dealers shop, and required weekly reports of machine failures, successes, tweaks, and mods that we made. All that info filtered up to the factory, and I was proud to have a set of custom gear ratios I dreamed up get used by an 8 time US champion the next year, and then put into production bikes the following year.

The funny part is that with similar mechanical experience - I have never heard of one of the brands you mention in your post! [eek]

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« Reply #284 on: February 03, 2017, 07:08 PM »
I just checked my Parf dogs in my PGS (both of which I received this week) and they are a perfect fit. Would not want them any tighter, nor any looser. And just for grins, I also checked the large Parf dogs and they are equally nice.  All this talk of old vehicles made me think of my first auto - a 1959 MGA.  Had almost purged it from the memory banks.
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« Reply #285 on: February 04, 2017, 12:06 AM »
Hi @P2P and @PatR

Yes, I was at SHAPE too (1999-2004) and that was the same hill going up from the town to SHAPE.

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« Reply #286 on: February 04, 2017, 04:38 AM »
Missed you by a year Peter! That hill is etched firmly in my mind as it was a favourite of the PTI's for fitness runs.

But my time at SHAPE was not wasted and it started me on the slippery slope of Systainer mountain with the ubiquitous Festo AFT65.

And it did allow me to develop a deep love of Abbey beers and hone my self control whilst waiting for the Monks of Westvleteren to 'open the hatch!'

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« Reply #287 on: February 04, 2017, 05:45 AM »
I bought the Parf dogs from Leevalley 18 months ago before the Parf guide was available, sadly the 2 dont like each other and dont fit snugly. So i have just purchased both long and the short Parf dogs from Axminster to see if this time they will marry, costly divorce though as the postage to Australia isnt cheap.

Having read the earlier few posts I may try some toothpaste on them to see if I can get them to fit.

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« Reply #288 on: February 04, 2017, 07:44 PM »
I bought the Parf dogs from Leevalley 18 months ago before the Parf guide was available, sadly the 2 dont like each other and dont fit snugly. So i have just purchased both long and the short Parf dogs from Axminster to see if this time they will marry, costly divorce though as the postage to Australia isnt cheap.

Having read the earlier few posts I may try some toothpaste on them to see if I can get them to fit.

Guy
@Mr_Mod From my experience with Axminster they use Royal Mail & for some reason they don't offer tracking info on Australian bound parcels (well they haven't on any of mine) If anyone else in Aus has had tracking info from Axminster I'd be interested to know. After waiting 5 weeks and no parcel from Axminster they have re sent my order which means I'm now entering week 7 and still no parcel. Axminster have been fine and it's out of their hands once they dispatch but it seems it's not the same Service to Australia as it is to N/A where people report parcels only taking one week to arrive from Axminster & also with the all important tracking info.

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« Reply #289 on: February 09, 2017, 01:25 PM »
In case it has not been spotted - Axminster have announced a competition for PGS owners...

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/win-over-80-worth-of-accessories-for-the-parf-guide-system-50261/

It is open to all PGS owners world wide.

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« Reply #290 on: February 10, 2017, 10:15 PM »
Received mine last week and threw together a top for a home made systainer cart. The dogs fit just right - like a glove on a wet rooster!

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« Reply #291 on: February 11, 2017, 01:48 AM »
Received mine last week and threw together a top for a home made systainer cart. The dogs fit just right - like a glove on a wet rooster!

Could I ask you to put a review on the Axminster web site for the PGS as it really does help other people make the decision about a tool that they have never seen before.

Cheers.

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« Reply #292 on: February 11, 2017, 07:06 AM »
Review done Peter! Great product & design.

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« Reply #293 on: February 11, 2017, 10:04 AM »
Review done Peter! Great product & design.

That is really kind and will help everyone.

Did you see that Axminster are running a competition for PGS owners ?

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #294 on: February 11, 2017, 08:37 PM »
Yes - can't get my stinking iphone to sync up with my tablet. Thanx!

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« Reply #295 on: February 13, 2017, 06:21 AM »
Recieved the new Parf dogs from Axminster on last Thursday which was around 6 days from the UK, even more outstanding is Aus post didnt loose them. I gave them a fitness test this evening and am happy to say they fit like a dream.

A big thank you to Axminster tools

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« Reply #296 on: February 14, 2017, 04:27 AM »
Ime in the uk and ordered the parf dogs and the short bench dogs when they first came out. Ordered the parf guide system about two weeks ago, but due to work etc I only just looked at it. Have to say quality wise it all looks good but the fit between the dogs and the pgs hole is rather sloppy, and Ime rather disappointed due to the cost of this system compared to a router type system I bought on eBay which didn't work too we'll but was a fraction of the price. Don't know if accuracy will be affected of if the slop is just eliminated when the system is put to use.

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« Reply #297 on: February 14, 2017, 04:44 AM »
Ime in the uk and ordered the parf dogs and the short bench dogs when they first came out. Ordered the parf guide system about two weeks ago, but due to work etc I only just looked at it. Have to say quality wise it all looks good but the fit between the dogs and the pgs hole is rather sloppy, and Ime rather disappointed due to the cost of this system compared to a router type system I bought on eBay which didn't work too we'll but was a fraction of the price. Don't know if accuracy will be affected of if the slop is just eliminated when the system is put to use.

You say you have slop between the PGS hole and the dog - do you mean by PGS hole the you created with the 20 mm cutter that comes as part of the PGS?

Parf Dogs should fit really snugly into these holes. How are the Parf Dogs in the MFT3?

Peter
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« Reply #298 on: February 14, 2017, 04:58 AM »
The slop is between the hole in the aluminium pgs and dog.

I have not actually used the system yet to make any holes in a board.

I suspect that there will be no slop in the hole cut in the material as I've used the Festool centrotec zorb bit to make the very simple type cutting board you showed in your videos when the parf dogs were first introduced and I have been happy with the fit of the dog and the hole made by a centrotec 20mm zorb bit.

Just went for this attempt to make something more accurate with more hole etc. The router system one I bought I gave up on due to poor tolerances and allot depended on the actual diameter of router bit (I found using a cutter that had been sharpened a few times gave better results but still not very good)


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« Reply #299 on: February 14, 2017, 05:36 AM »
The slop is between the hole in the aluminium pgs and dog.

I have not actually used the system yet to make any holes in a board.

I suspect that there will be no slop in the hole cut in the material as I've used the Festool centrotec zorb bit to make the very simple type cutting board you showed in your videos when the parf dogs were first introduced and I have been happy with the fit of the dog and the hole made by a centrotec 20mm zorb bit.

Just went for this attempt to make something more accurate with more hole etc. The router system one I bought I gave up on due to poor tolerances and allot depended on the actual diameter of router bit (I found using a cutter that had been sharpened a few times gave better results but still not very good)

Got it - many thanks.

The fit between the large boss on the short Veritas Parf Dogs and the large holes in the 20 mm guide block of the PGS is critical. I will alert Axminster and get them to assist - it sounds like an issue with the 20 mm guide block from what you say.

Peter

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« Reply #300 on: February 14, 2017, 05:40 AM »
Thanks when I get home I will try find my digital caliprts and measure what the hole and parf dog size it

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« Reply #301 on: February 14, 2017, 05:51 AM »
Thanks when I get home I will try find my digital caliprts and measure what the hole and parf dog size it

Excellent.

I have alerted Axminster and if we have narrowed it down to the 20 mm Guide Block of the PGS I will suggest to them that they invite you to return the old one (free of charge) and receive a replacement.

In fairness to Axminster (and this would apply to any business members of the FOG) could we do the rest of this one to one support via PM or email? We can post the outcome once the problem is identified and resolved.

Cheers.

Peter

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« Reply #302 on: February 19, 2017, 09:49 AM »
I'm re-building a benchtop.  Started out with a box store maple top from a metal-legged bench.  The top was 1.75", but had cupped .25" over the 4-5 years it's been in my shop.  Rather than flatten it, I decided to rebuild it.  I cut it into strips, squared them up, and added some granadillo strips in between to widen it a bit.  After machining, the top is 1.5".

Since this was something of a rebuild experiment, I decided to set it up with MFT style holes using my UJK Parf Guide System.  The picture shows the top at the end of day yesterday.

Comments:
*  The 3mm drill bit holes drilled in dead on.  Pythagoras combined with precision holes in the rule seemed to work out as expected.
*  I've had a lot of trouble with forstner bits overheating in stuff this thick.  No problems at all with the Parf Guide bit.  Brilliant!
*  The fit of my parf dogs is pretty much perfect.
*  I oiled the bit shaft in the bushing, and it seized after fourteen holes.  I was able to knock it out, and now am oiling it about every ten holes.
*  Drilling the 3mm holes in the granadillo strip at the back was challenging - had to keep lifting the bit out of the holes to clear wood, and the bit wanted to stick in the bushing.  Granadillo is pretty dense.

So far I like what I'm seeing.
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« Reply #303 on: February 19, 2017, 11:35 AM »
I'm re-building a benchtop.  Started out with a box store maple top from a metal-legged bench.  The top was 1.75", but had cupped .25" over the 4-5 years it's been in my shop.  Rather than flatten it, I decided to rebuild it.  I cut it into strips, squared them up, and added some granadillo strips in between to widen it a bit.  After machining, the top is 1.5".

Since this was something of a rebuild experiment, I decided to set it up with MFT style holes using my UJK Parf Guide System.  The picture shows the top at the end of day yesterday.

Comments:
*  The 3mm drill bit holes drilled in dead on.  Pythagoras combined with precision holes in the rule seemed to work out as expected.
*  I've had a lot of trouble with forstner bits overheating in stuff this thick.  No problems at all with the Parf Guide bit.  Brilliant!
*  The fit of my parf dogs is pretty much perfect.
*  I oiled the bit shaft in the bushing, and it seized after fourteen holes.  I was able to knock it out, and now am oiling it about every ten holes.
*  Drilling the 3mm holes in the granadillo strip at the back was challenging - had to keep lifting the bit out of the holes to clear wood, and the bit wanted to stick in the bushing.  Granadillo is pretty dense.

So far I like what I'm seeing.

Hi Harvey,

Many thanks for the very informative post and the preview of what looks to be a rather nice top.

Once you have  created your custom bench top or cutting station you can still make perfect 90 deg and 45 deg cuts even without a track saw. With an ordinary circular saw you can use a straight edge, held against the tall Parf Dogs, and still make perfect cuts.

I have nothing to do with it at all but you and every other PGS owner should be aware that Axminster are running a simple competition which, I think, just requires a picture or two of what you have created with the PGS to be sent in or uploaded.

Could I also ask owners of the PGS to consider putting a review on the Axminster web site on the PGS page as it really does help others to know that there are so many success stories around , like this one from Harvey.

Here is a link to the PGS page:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-parf-guide-system-102278

Cheers.

Peter
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« Reply #304 on: February 19, 2017, 12:33 PM »
Since this was something of a rebuild experiment, I decided to set it up with MFT style holes using my UJK Parf Guide System.
You will not be able to use those holes for accurate 45 deg. cuts because of seasonal shrinking and swelling of the solid top. 90 deg. should be fine though.

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« Reply #305 on: February 19, 2017, 03:55 PM »
Good point - seasonal shrinking is less a factor in Colorado, but I would still expect a 1/8" expansion/contraction between the seasons for maple this wide - enough to throw off precision.

In general, wood will hardly ever get to more than 6-7% moisture content here once it has dried, and most wood shrinkage occurs between ~15% and 6%.

The main reason I'm drilling the table this way is for clamping flexibility.  I'm not sure yet that I will ever make a cut on it.
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« Reply #306 on: February 19, 2017, 04:12 PM »
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*  I oiled the bit shaft in the bushing, and it seized after fourteen holes.  I was able to knock it out, and now am oiling it about every ten holes.
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@Peter Parfitt, is there a recommended speed for the 20mm bit?  I've been using the drill trigger for speed control, and I'm sure that I occasionally get onto the high side.

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« Reply #307 on: February 19, 2017, 06:33 PM »
Hi Harvey

The key thing with the 20 mm cutters, and this is true for all Forstner style cutters as well, is to keep the debris clear as they cut. In the higher quality MDF (either CNC grade HDF or the modern Medite) the cut material tends to be more like solid wood in that it cuts in shavings which helps with the clearance process. The cheaper materials, especially low quality MDF, cuts into woolly fluff which clogs the cutter quickly and leads to overheating - with this the clearance has to be done very carefully.

I keep the speed of cut in the medium area (ie not flat out) and I raise the bit twice during each 20 mm hole cut. It is also essential to check that you do not have a "disc" of material stuck on the end of the cutter at the end of any cut. The shape of the cutter has been designed for maximum efficiency in MDF and part of that are the "wings" (or whatever they should be called) that score the outer part of the cut. As these wings break through the underside of a cut a disc of material can be formed which just stays impaled on the end of the cutter. If this is not removed then it acts like a washer and prevents further cutting (ie when you start the next hole).

It does sound as though you may have been going a bit too fast if you are having to re-oil as often as you said. I apply oil to the shaft of the 20 mm cutter each time I insert it into the 20 mm guide block and each time I change from one bush position to the other.

Peter
I hope that this helps.

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« Reply #308 on: February 21, 2017, 03:29 AM »
New Video of a "Speedy" Cutting Board

Hi Everyone,

I have had several trades people ask me about the PGS and so I have made a video demonstrating the creation of a "Speedy" cutting station that can be made in about 15 minutes. The "Speedy" has the same inherent accuracy of a full PGS created top yet can be made on site in next to no time.

Tops like this can be used on trestles or even on the floor. They can be thrown into the back of a van at the end of the day and should last about a year even with a lot of abuse. New ones can be created time and time again using the same PGS.

Here is the video:



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« Reply #309 on: February 21, 2017, 04:39 AM »
are the guide rail clips included in the parf guide system or a separate part?

Very good video, has me sold on this. can really see how to use this when outside.

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« Reply #310 on: February 21, 2017, 04:45 AM »
are the guide rail clips included in the parf guide system or a separate part?

Very good video, has me sold on this. can really see how to use this when outside.

Hi Ali,

The guide rail clips are not part of the PGS kit but are available from Axminster at about £8 a pair. I did not design them but am happy to confirm that they do a great job. Here is the link:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-dog-rail-clip-pair-102973

They also sell the Parf Dogs too.

Peter

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« Reply #311 on: February 21, 2017, 06:00 AM »
Hi Peter Parfitt.
I watched your video on the PGS mobile setup this morning. As usual, brilliant job. We as a community are lucky to have you.

I built a new workbench this weekend and I am contemplating how to incorporate your PGS and your ideas for near CNC perfection.

Anyhow - I had a thought while watching your video - and I admit, I haven't read through this thread, so my question may be rendundant, but:

Have you considered fitting a 20 mm drill bit that will accept a hex bit to drive it - in the style of Blum and Hettich jigs. Maybe even spring loaded. I saw that you simply disconnected the Jacobs chuck on your drill, but I think it would be even easier to just drill with a hex bit and set you drill down. Also, using a drill without the ability to disconnect the chuck seems cumbersome in the current setup.

Here's an image of the type of jig I'm refering to:
https://www.hettich.com/uploads/tx_templavoila/Hettich-2001020000_1511_Drilljig_Scharnier_Anwendung-440-340.jpg

And here's a video of it in use:


Again thanks for your work - my two month old daugther Ronja enjoyed the video too this morning - although she might have nodded off somewhere in the middle.

Cheers,
David


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« Reply #312 on: February 21, 2017, 07:00 AM »
Hi Peter Parfitt.
I watched your video on the PGS mobile setup this morning. As usual, brilliant job. We as a community are lucky to have you.

I built a new workbench this weekend and I am contemplating how to incorporate your PGS and your ideas for near CNC perfection.

Anyhow - I had a thought while watching your video - and I admit, I haven't read through this thread, so my question may be rendundant, but:

Have you considered fitting a 20 mm drill bit that will accept a hex bit to drive it - in the style of Blum and Hettich jigs. Maybe even spring loaded. I saw that you simply disconnected the Jacobs chuck on your drill, but I think it would be even easier to just drill with a hex bit and set you drill down. Also, using a drill without the ability to disconnect the chuck seems cumbersome in the current setup.

Again thanks for your work - my two month old daugther Ronja enjoyed the video too this morning - although she might have nodded off somewhere in the middle.

Cheers,
David

Hi David,

The key thing with the development of the PGS was accuracy which, after 3 years of work, we have achieved. The next objective was to get the price as low as possible without compromising the accuracy in any way at all. I have seen the Blum jigs but we cannot go down that route.

A hex shank cutter is now available as an option which does allow people to disconnect the cutter from the drill easily. There is a stop collar provided with the hex cutter which prevents it from falling through the guide block.

Many thanks for the kind words. Good luck with the new workbench.

I do not blame your very young daughter falling asleep during the video - I suspect there may be a few grown-ups who do the same whenever they see me on the screen.

Peter

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« Reply #313 on: February 21, 2017, 06:55 PM »
Does anybody know where I can get the Parf Guide system for a reasonable price in Australia or posted to Australia? Unfortunately when I get a quote from the UK (for the guides, a pair of short dogs, a pair of long dogs, and some knobs) the postage alone blows out to GBP50 (ie $AUD88).


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« Reply #314 on: February 22, 2017, 01:44 AM »
Does anybody know where I can get the Parf Guide system for a reasonable price in Australia or posted to Australia? Unfortunately when I get a quote from the UK (for the guides, a pair of short dogs, a pair of long dogs, and some knobs) the postage alone blows out to GBP50 (ie $AUD88).

I know that Axminster have shipped a number of PGS to Australia for individual clients. There has to be an opportunity for an Australian dealership to take on not only the PGS but also the Veritas Parf Dogs as well.

This is not my part of ship and potential candidates need to talk to Axminster about this.

Peter

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« Reply #315 on: February 23, 2017, 01:43 AM »
Thanks Peter for following up, and I totally understand this is out of your control.

Yes, unfortunately there is no official dealer here for the Parf guides.

Your Parf Dogs are available from Carbatec. It's unfortunate that (probably due to multiple legitimate factors like shipping, taxes, size of market etc) the costs are significantly more in Australia than the rest of the world. As a comparison, without postage costs the short dogs are $AUD15.00 from Axminster, $AUD19.45 from Lee Valley, and $AUD28.00 locally. So in the end it often makes more sense to order from overseas.