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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Woodpecker Quality and price???
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2018, 09:35 AM »
I just wouldn't go comparing the 2 brands.  One targets woodworkers, the other targets machine shops with metrology departments inspecting parts.  Starrett can charge way more, as those who need them will pay for it as part of doing business.  I don't think my company would know what to do with "woodpeckers" square and how to go about getting it calibrated yearly.

It's not a knock on woodpeckers, it's just they aren't targeting the same thing.

I guess my point was that until Woodpeckers made their framing square, there was only one other source for an accurate large sized Made in America square and that was Starrett, and the entry level price was high. Woodpeckers then entered the marketplace and produced a framing square that was close to the accuracy of the Starrett square yet was affordable for the average woodworker. That’s a very big deal because it brought the accuracy of the machine shop to the shop of the average woodworker. That’s not an insignificant event.

Oh I understand.   From above though I got the impression people were thinking them as the same thing/Starrett was massively overpriced, or that the price differences were "in a vacuum" and thus there is nothing else driving the price difference.  In general I struggle when people get into prices on most things as they just aren't looking at all things involved or the differences.  Of course I get one off and lower part count parts I design fabricated routinely, so I have a much different understanding of the cost in making these things then a lot of people.  Folks just don't understand how much it cost to design and make something, and how hard it is to get cost out and when you do, what you loose.  I generally try to get folks to understand that most thing we buy arn't expensive, most everything is insanely cheap when you realize all that was done to get it to market and on the shelf.  A Festool saw isn't expensive, its the 7-1/4" saw at the big box store is very cheap and that comes at many costs.

I'd say the biggest thing the last 20 years is simply the cost of CNC parts has fell thru the floor.  You can get a very good CNC "cheap" now, which has made the business for small companies to crank out highly accurate, low volume, special application machined parts a reality. If it wasn't woodpeckers it would have been other businesses.  I wasn't looking at this stuff then, so I will just assume they were the first ones to move on this based on your comments.  This is where companies need to be careful, it's very easy now for someone else to come along and do the same, so if you do things to sour some customers, it can snowball badly on you fast.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpecker Quality and price???
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2018, 11:04 AM »
I'd say the biggest thing the last 20 years is simply the cost of CNC parts has fell thru the floor.  You can get a very good CNC "cheap" now, which has made the business for small companies to crank out highly accurate, low volume, special application machined parts a reality. If it wasn't woodpeckers it would have been other businesses.  I wasn't looking at this stuff then, so I will just assume they were the first ones to move on this based on your comments.  This is where companies need to be careful, it's very easy now for someone else to come along and do the same, so if you do things to sour some customers, it can snowball badly on you fast.

Ya, I was just thinking back to when the only "good" square you could afford was that $9 Stanley that had fallen from the scaffold 6 times and had also been run over with a car or a wheelbarrow. Woodpeckers changed that situation. [smile]

Talk about CNC, don't forget 3D printing. In 1988 a bunch of us asked management to procure a 3D printer for the model shop. That printer cost $50,000 at the time. That was a lot of money in 1988. The other day I saw that Dremel now makes one for $500-$600.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Woodpecker Quality and price???
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2018, 11:03 PM »

Ya, I was just thinking back to when the only "good" square you could afford was that $9 Stanley that had fallen from the scaffold 6 times and had also been run over with a car or a wheelbarrow. Woodpeckers changed that situation. [smile]


It's just been distressed to give it character and an older feel. It takes time and the attention of many 800lb gorilla's to add that craftsman ship to it, sure without that treatment they would only charge $7.95 but it just wouldn't have the charm.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpecker Quality and price???
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2018, 11:20 PM »
It's just been distressed to give it character and an older feel. It takes time and the attention of many 800lb gorilla's to add that craftsman ship to it, sure without that treatment they would only charge $7.95 but it just wouldn't have the charm.

Well along with the charm lost... it also lost its accuracy.  [smile]

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpecker Quality and price???
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2018, 09:26 AM »
Well, I noted in an earlier post that the 26" & 18" framing squares are no longer OTT, they are now regularly available production items.

I noticed this morning that the OTT DF500 Offset Base System has joined their ranks and is now, also a regular production item.  [big grin]. They've also maintained the pricing they had in 2015.

https://www.woodpeck.com/df500-offset-base-system.html?utm_source=bronto&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Woodpeckers+DF500+Offset+Base+System&utm_content=Check+Out+the+Latest+Addition+to+our+Product+Line.&utm_campaign=11.7.18+DF500+Offset+Base+System+-+INTRODUCTORY+&_bta_tid=29743622045476421803960484196187290911130802761275264813130289801452796861754280394849903832181568545051&_bta_c=49ldt13bdxr6gzu5i2gzf5543gyxy

Online RKA

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Re: Woodpecker Quality and price???
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2018, 09:56 AM »
They have started “stocking” these items but there are some growing pains people should be aware of. I ordered the square the morning you posted that they would be regularly sold items. While the website indicated it was in stock, it appears it wasn’t. I’m still waiting. So they haven’t much much in inventory yet and if it’s not in inventory there will be a wait.
-Raj

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpecker Quality and price???
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2018, 10:49 AM »
That's unfortunate Raj, as that was back on October 16th.  [sad]

You'd hope they would have suitable inventory levels before they make an announcement of something becoming a permanent addition to their product line. Hopefully, if this is just a hiccup, this hiccup will eventually go away.  [smile]


Online RKA

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Re: Woodpecker Quality and price???
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2018, 12:06 PM »
But they have a new website! 

I can't look up the order status though - more hiccups.  Not worth the call, it won't get here any faster.  I'll give them a pass on this one, setting up new websites and migrations are a royal pain in the butt.
-Raj