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Offline Shane Holland

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Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« on: June 05, 2018, 09:01 AM »


Available in imperial and/or metric, as well as available in a set with a Systainer.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2018, 11:28 AM »
Can anyone compare these against the Lee Valley offerings?

The biggest difference appears to be the length of each piece, which has pros/cons.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2018, 12:05 PM »
Can anyone compare these against the Lee Valley offerings?

The biggest difference appears to be the length of each piece, which has pros/cons.

and the price.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2018, 12:22 PM »
These are great, I use them regularly. They're also very accurate, for instance the 1/2" block measures .5000" while the 1/4" block measures .2500". I was quite surprised the first time I measured them. I expect that accuracy from Starrett, not Woodpeckers.

The same can be said for the metric offerings. I started with the smallest set and over the years I kept buying more everytime they were offered because I use them so often. The Systainer is also a nice addition and the foam cutouts are laser cut.

Hey @Shane Holland , the website has the same price for both the Woodpeckers box & the Systainer, that can't be right. [big grin]



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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2018, 01:14 PM »
These look really nice.
Bought some Setup Blocks years ago (“before” WP’s) -
And use ‘em for a lot of things in the shop.
Stongerly recommended purchase. You’ll use ‘em.

And, Holy Cow! Available in BOTH Imperial AND Metric versions.
(Just thought I’d “pick on a ‘scab’.”)   [wink] Note tongue in cheek.
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Offline Chance B

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2018, 06:47 PM »
Does anyone know what size Systainer the full set will come in?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2018, 08:17 PM »
An anthracite SYS 1.

Offline blaszcsj

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2018, 08:20 PM »
Does anyone know what size Systainer the full set will come in?

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2018, 07:23 AM »
@RustE

Can anyone compare these against the Lee Valley offerings?

The biggest difference appears to be the length of each piece, which has pros/cons.

I have the Lee Valley full set, comes at a very low price compare to WP

Lee Valley 115US$
WP 379US$

The WP setup blocks are nice and easy to read, the Lee Valley are white on black which is not too bad for reading as well.

Cons
WP one time force you to buy it when you don`t plan to
LV - thinner blocks in acrylic (1 or 2)
WP - Very expensive for what it is, no rocket science involved here
LV - Cheap plastic box with latch that will eventually fail

Pros
LV -Can be bought when ever you need it
WP- Bright color easy to read
LV - Easy on the wallet
WP - Systematic storage options

To me it depends of how often you use setup blocks. If it`s your first set and you've been doing woodworking for a while you won`t really use them often enough to justify the WP price. If you already an heavy setup block user and like to be organized WP is a better solution.

Like I said I have the LV ones and I will have to make a more suitable storage box if I plan to use them more often.

Edit: forgot to mention about the 1-2-3 block. With the full set you get two. Compare to the WP the LV 1-2-3 blocks have multi utility.


One last thing about the LV 1-2-3 blocks, they are made of steel. Very heavy and I suggest to use a light coat of
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2018, 08:30 AM »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2018, 10:41 AM »
Two of the aspects of the Woodpeckers set that I'm really impressed with is the foam packaging and the accuracy.

Packaging:
Each pocket is laser cut into the foam for proper length, width & depth, so everything is flush with the top. An added benefit is that it's very easy to see if one of the gage blocks is in use. See the 3rd photo.

Accuracy:
Both imperial & metric blocks are right on. See the 4th & 5th photos.



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Offline live4ever

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2018, 11:41 AM »
Hmmm...
Laser cut foam and 0.001 accuracy vs no foam and 0.002.
$380 vs $115.
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

Offline blaszcsj

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2018, 12:34 PM »
Because I purchased the basic set and metric sets over time I ordered the foam separate and used a systainer I had in the shop. I also, put swapped the foam that was on the top insert for the bottom because I use all the metric and imperial 1-2-3 blocks way more often than the blocks on the second insert.

Two of the aspects of the Woodpeckers set that I'm really impressed with is the foam packaging and the accuracy.

Packaging:
Each pocket is laser cut into the foam for proper length, width & depth, so everything is flush with the top. An added benefit is that it's very easy to see if one of the gage blocks is in use. See the 3rd photo.

Accuracy:
Both imperial & metric blocks are right on. See the 4th & 5th photos.
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2018, 01:22 PM »
Hmmm...
Laser cut foam and 0.001 accuracy vs no foam and 0.002.
$380 vs $115.

Some more food for thought...WP = 42 blocks vs LV = 28 blocks.
The .5mm & 1mm blocks are “vinyl shim” in the LV set.
Hmmm... [popcorn]
« Last Edit: June 06, 2018, 01:35 PM by Cheese »

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2018, 11:19 AM »
@Mario Turcot  Thanks for the information.  Most of my woodworking is done in English units, so I probably would not purchase the Metric set.  The economics are somewhat harder to compare when you consider the size (2-in. versus 4-in.) and the quantities in each kit.  The smaller Woodpeckers set appears to include the most commonly used sizes.  The complete Lee Valley set would be an entire range of sizes.

I like the appearance of the Infinity Tools setup blocks that @tjbnwi posted.  The scales could come in handy for many tasks.  I might inquire about where these are made since it is not stated on the Infinity Tools website.

@Cheese  Who makes the water-resistant caliper?

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2018, 11:50 AM »

@Cheese  Who makes the water-resistant caliper?


That happens to be an older Brown & Sharpe Dura Cal. Rated for IP67. Purchased it used but in like-new condition for only $70. [eek]

There are several companies in California that manufacture parts for the aeronautical industry and it's their practice to purchase new Brown & Sharpes every year rather than sending them in to have them calibrated for ISO. They fire-sale the 1 year old Brown & Sharpes.  [cool]


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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2018, 10:04 PM »
It’s an impressive set. It may be worth $400 for 1/100 of a mm accuracy, but I do question the value to a cabinetmaker. I would want as accurate a guide block as possible, but what’s the real accuracy limitation for a woodworker? How accurately can one set tablesaw blade height with a guide block? 

I like well-crafted tools & jigs.  I tried to justify this set, but I personally could not pull the trigger on it.  I would think even a set of wood blocks would hold their dimension accurately enough for setting fence distances or blade/bit cut depth, unless the shop  climate varies at the extremes of humidity.  But certainly a set from HDPE or acrylic would work as well.

This said, if I were a red aluminum collector I would likely find a way to have this.

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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2018, 11:18 PM »
I would want as accurate a guide block as possible, but what’s the real accuracy limitation for a woodworker? How accurately can one set tablesaw blade height with a guide block? 


If setting table saw blade height is your only reason to own a set of gauge blocks, you’re better served with a caliper or height gauge. Gauge blocks will get you within +/- .015”. A caliper or height gauge will get you within +/-.002”.

If you want to forage into the dark world of precision gauge blocks, you can “wring” two of them together and be within +/-.0001”.
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2018, 08:10 PM »
The woodpeckers guide blocks will not wring.   

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Setup Blocks (US)
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2018, 09:11 PM »
The woodpeckers guide blocks will not wring.

You got that one right. My point was that the Woodpeckers blocks are reasonably priced and fairly accurate at +/- .001”. So they’re a bargain.  [big grin]

If you want the best accuracy, which most woodworkers will never need, go with something wringable such as Starrett. When you wring two of these things together with only the natural oil of your hands, it’s pretty incredible. Very  [cool]