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Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2018, 05:49 PM »
Here's a trick I use often. Any woodworker (as well as metal worker) should own 1-2-3 steel blocks. They are inexpensive, very accurate to just a few TEN THOUSANDTHS (1/10,000) of an inch on all sides. These can then be used as accurate spacers and add extra height too. I use them on the table saw when I need very accurate on inch cuts since you can make any combination of distances the more blocks you have. I think the set of 4 blocks I bought were $29 from ebay. I plan to add some 2-4-6 blocks soon as well, those run around $65 or more for a set of 2.

You can use 1-2-3 or 2-4-6 blocks to set a table saw blade perfectly square, jointer fence dead square. A lot more uses for them in the wood shop than most realize.

My concern is that it's only 3/4" thick.  If you're working with 3/4" material, you have to lower the rail to calibrate it, but in raising the rail to accommodate the 3/4" (or 18mm, or 19mm, or whatever) material, the act of releasing the rail clamp and resetting it to a different height is likely to induce an error, however minor.  If Woodpeckers had chosen to make it thicker, say 1-1/8" (like the original MFT square), one could zero the rail and not be concerned about errors induced by raising and/or lowering the rail once it's been zeroed.  This rather makes the argument about "the '.0085" is .0085 degrees per foot'" insignificant.
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2018, 05:53 PM »
Seems to me that the pattern of holes, by design, give you 90/45 deg layout when using a rail with rail dogs. In that sense, a square would not be needed at all.
You are correct.  It will do just that.  However, it aligns the rail such that the cut line crosses the 20mm system holes, leaving a small portion of the material being cut unsupported. 
Just use some spacers between dogs and guide rail. A peace of aluminum extrusion, for example, a couple of identical blocks, etc.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2018, 10:28 PM »
Ed,

Thanks for taking the time to stop by the forum today to answer questions from the forum members and potential buyers of your well-designed MFT squaring solution. It's fantastic for us to have insight and information directly from the product's designer.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2018, 11:40 PM »
Hey Everyone, I just want to clear things up a bit...  This is Ed from Woodpeckers and this is my tool. 

First: The accuracy statement.
This is for degrees, so the ".0085" is .0085 degrees per foot. 

As others have asked, what does this really mean?  Taken literally, 0.0085deg/foot * 1.5' = 0.0128deg.  But degrees/foot is really strange, as it would imply some kind of spiral (increasing curvature with distance). 
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2018, 12:41 AM »
As others have asked, what does this really mean?  Taken literally, 0.0085deg/foot * 1.5' = 0.0128deg.  But degrees/foot is really strange, as it would imply some kind of spiral (increasing curvature with distance).

I think the statement .0085 degrees per foot is just a misnomer on Woodpeckers part. If you take a look at the advertised perpendicularity specifications for other Woodpeckers products, you’ll see they reference .0085 degrees without adding the “ per foot” moniker.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2018, 09:23 AM »
I think the statement .0085 degrees per foot is just a misnomer on Woodpeckers part. If you take a look at the advertised perpendicularity specifications for other Woodpeckers products, you’ll see they reference .0085 degrees without adding the “ per foot” moniker.

Perhaps.

Could be related to the inspection method:  deviation of up to 0.0085 degrees as measured at 12 inches or across 12 inches.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2018, 01:17 PM »

I put woodglue (I & II, didn't have any III around at the time) and it cleaned off very easily, both wet and dry.

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That’s one of the reasons you used this material for your clamping cauls, correct?
You are correct!
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2018, 02:17 PM »
Bump. Only a few days left to get in on this one if you're interested. Order deadline is Monday, the 29th.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2018, 02:44 PM »
Bump. Only a few days left to get in on this one if you're interested. Order deadline is Monday.

Monday the 29th, 12 days left.
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2018, 02:46 PM »
Monday the 29th, 12 days left.

Whoops...  [embarassed] Yes, *that* Monday.
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2018, 01:10 AM »
Hey Everyone, I just want to clear things up a bit...  This is Ed from Woodpeckers and this is my tool. 

Hi Ed, don't know if the tool design is "locked" at this point, but I have a suggestion. As several people have pointed out, it would be nice if there was a way to have the square be more than 3/4" thick. This of course was a feature of the Woodpecker MFT square - which was much more expensive than this tool.  How about some sort of phenolic or aluminum bushings/dogs that could be fit into the holes, thus raising it off the work surface?  This could be an optional add-on.

Regardless, I'll be buying one of these tools. It seems to have a lot of uses beyond setting up the MFT.  Thanks for creating a nice tool.
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2018, 02:48 AM »
Degrees per foot sounds to me as if they expect the phenolic to warp, and the supposedly flat reference faces to not be truly flat.

So measured close to a corner the error would be much less than further from the corner where the warp has had distance to build up.

I'm not explaining this well, but I hope you understand what I mean!

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2018, 07:17 PM »
Tomorrow is the last chance to get in on this one if you're interested. Order deadline is Monday, the 29th.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2018, 12:15 PM »
Hey guys...  long time reader, first time poster. Please forgive me if this was discussed already, but I'm looking for some input before pulling the trigger on one of these knowing the deadline is today.

Would you go with this or the WP 12" precision square? 

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2018, 12:26 PM »
Instead of buying this one trick pony if only using to setup the MFT. .wouldn't it be better to buy a parallel TSO guide rail square? Attach to your rail, butt up against the fence and adjust. Sure it's more expensive but also extremely more useful.

I don't have either so I'm genuinely curious.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2018, 12:41 PM »
Instead of buying this one trick pony if only using to setup the MFT. .wouldn't it be better to buy a parallel guide rail square? Attach to your rail, butt up against the fence and adjust. Sure it's more expensive but also extremely more useful.

There are plenty of squares out there. While the Insta-RailSquare does a great job at letting you get perpendicular cuts quickly and easily, it's a purpose built tool. It could be used for MFT alignment especially when used with the optional Insta dogs since you could use the MFT hole grid as a reference for the fence and rail. For the best deal, you can buy the Insta-RailSquare and dogs as a kit to save about $10.

The Woodpeckers OTT MFT square is going to be a thicker and longer square to give a more surface to reference off of. It's not a one-trick pony since it could be used for any squaring task, although there are features that help with MFT squaring.

The Woodpeckers 1281 could also definitely be used for squaring an MFT and includes a scale, unlike the OneTime Tool MFT Square.

I'm sure some of the forum members will give their insights and opinions.
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