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Offline Shane Holland

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2018, 02:17 PM »
Bump. Only a few days left to get in on this one if you're interested. Order deadline is Monday, the 29th.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2018, 02:46 PM »
Monday the 29th, 12 days left.

Whoops...  [embarassed] Yes, *that* Monday.
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2018, 01:10 AM »
Hey Everyone, I just want to clear things up a bit...  This is Ed from Woodpeckers and this is my tool. 

Hi Ed, don't know if the tool design is "locked" at this point, but I have a suggestion. As several people have pointed out, it would be nice if there was a way to have the square be more than 3/4" thick. This of course was a feature of the Woodpecker MFT square - which was much more expensive than this tool.  How about some sort of phenolic or aluminum bushings/dogs that could be fit into the holes, thus raising it off the work surface?  This could be an optional add-on.

Regardless, I'll be buying one of these tools. It seems to have a lot of uses beyond setting up the MFT.  Thanks for creating a nice tool.
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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2018, 02:48 AM »
Degrees per foot sounds to me as if they expect the phenolic to warp, and the supposedly flat reference faces to not be truly flat.

So measured close to a corner the error would be much less than further from the corner where the warp has had distance to build up.

I'm not explaining this well, but I hope you understand what I mean!

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2018, 07:17 PM »
Tomorrow is the last chance to get in on this one if you're interested. Order deadline is Monday, the 29th.

Order the Woodpeckers OneTIME Tool MFT Square

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2018, 12:15 PM »
Hey guys...  long time reader, first time poster. Please forgive me if this was discussed already, but I'm looking for some input before pulling the trigger on one of these knowing the deadline is today.

Would you go with this or the WP 12" precision square? 

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2018, 12:26 PM »
Instead of buying this one trick pony if only using to setup the MFT. .wouldn't it be better to buy a parallel TSO guide rail square? Attach to your rail, butt up against the fence and adjust. Sure it's more expensive but also extremely more useful.

I don't have either so I'm genuinely curious.

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTime Tool - Festool MFT Layout & Assembly Square (US)
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2018, 12:41 PM »
Instead of buying this one trick pony if only using to setup the MFT. .wouldn't it be better to buy a parallel guide rail square? Attach to your rail, butt up against the fence and adjust. Sure it's more expensive but also extremely more useful.

There are plenty of squares out there. While the Insta-RailSquare does a great job at letting you get perpendicular cuts quickly and easily, it's a purpose built tool. It could be used for MFT alignment especially when used with the optional Insta dogs since you could use the MFT hole grid as a reference for the fence and rail. For the best deal, you can buy the Insta-RailSquare and dogs as a kit to save about $10.

The Woodpeckers OTT MFT square is going to be a thicker and longer square to give a more surface to reference off of. It's not a one-trick pony since it could be used for any squaring task, although there are features that help with MFT squaring.

The Woodpeckers 1281 could also definitely be used for squaring an MFT and includes a scale, unlike the OneTime Tool MFT Square.

I'm sure some of the forum members will give their insights and opinions.
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I'm wondering who else that ordered has received theirs and if so are you seeing issues......... I have and yes I'm seeing "issues".

Mine came the day before yesterday and yesterday I had it out on my MFT to check it out.  The square portion worked fine, or shall I say good enough for me.

The issues seems to be that while the dogs fit the square and fit the table  a hole at a time when you try to add the second dog it will only fit some places.  A few places you can twist it in and well then getting the dog back out is difficult..... but places you simply can not get the second dog to fit, you can see the interference when looking through the square at the hole.

I have an original Festool top on my MFT-3, so I expected the square to fit anywhere, this is not the case.  I have contacted Woodpecker but have not heard back from them.  I'm wondering if my table top is out of wack or if the square is out of wack or is the design have a flaw such that not all tables and squares work together.

I have the green Anderson square and it works fine but was looking forward to having the dog holes and what they bring to the table, as it is not much..........

Love to hear others experiences.

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I seem to recall reading on dog sizes that holes are meant to be bored to within a tenth of a millimeter and they do vary.  I don’t thin FT has any assurance of complete accuracy across the grid, but I have seen tighter holes when using the TSO triangle, but nothing to prevent insertion. 


Could be moisture in the top as well.  You could use a little sandpaper on a dowel to do a slight adjustment if there are particular holes that don’t quite align with ease. 




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I received mine today, haven't taken it down to the shop yet, but I did notice the dog holes have a little play in them and while the two long perpendicular edges are smooth, the hypotenuse edge has saw marks.  Also the small relief corner between the perpenduicular faces has CNC tool marks.

I sent them an email asking if they consider this to be within spec.

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I noticed that the dog holes have a lot of play in them compared to the ones in the MFT - both Qwas dogs and the Woodpecker provided ones felt loose in the square.  Enough slack that I'd be hesitant to use them as an angle reference. 

I also got a reply today from Woodpeckers saying that while they tried to minimize the saw marks in the hypotenuse side of the square they were not able to remove them all and consider it within spec.

This is the first Woodpeckers tool I'm a bit disappointed with the quality of, though I'll keep it since the primary reason I bought it was for squaring the MFT.

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Woodpecker got back to me.  They will pull a square then try it on the 3 MFT's they have and have it looked at optically.  If it passes then they will ship it to me for my testing.  Seems reasonable.  Having two to compare should tell me if they will work for what I hoped for or not.  I can always return them if not.

The apparent slop in the square's holes are how I think they take care of the inconsistencies that occur in MFT's.  What effect that has on using to square to the holes is something I don't know.  I did use it to verify my table settings after checking that with the Anderson square and that seemed right on.  When the new one arrives I will see how it does using the holes to get a square setup.  Mine MFT seems to hold alignment but I like to check it before starting to use it.  I'm not looking for thousands of an inch here but I still want it to be reasonable for woodworking.

They said it will take several days for it to be checked out and shipped so perhaps some time next week??

Ed

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I got the Anderson Ply square. After squaring my MFT with it, I double checked the MFT using my WP 45CM square and got the exact same results. Its simular to the WP Layout Square and cost about a 3rd of the price.

It has holes in it for using the festool clamps for clamping down on the MFT never used them as I use this square for setting up my MFT.

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I got the Anderson Ply square. After squaring my MFT with it, I double checked the MFT using my WP 45CM square and got the exact same results. Its simular to the WP Layout Square and cost about a 3rd of the price.

It has holes in it for using the festool clamps for clamping down on the MFT never used them as I use this square for setting up my MFT.

They just sold another one...

Offline Mike Upstate

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Shane,

Any update on delivery/order status of this item,  see that Woodpeckers web site indictes they are now shipping.  The Tool-Nut order status shows no update and customer service is unavailable due to high call volume.

Thanks

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@Mike Upstate, I have been told that Woodpeckers expects to ship inventory to us in mid-June. I am contacting them to ask why their website states shipping now when we're a month away from getting inventory. I'll keep you posted if I get any other information.

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... Woodpeckers expects to ship inventory to us in mid-June ...

If I recall correctly, early May was the delivery timeframe when I placed my order.  Hopefully you can get some better info for us.

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... Woodpeckers expects to ship inventory to us in mid-June ...

If I recall correctly, early May was the delivery timeframe when I placed my order.  Hopefully you can get some better info for us.


I received it by the end of April.

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I got mine last week. Very thick, solid, accurate square and of course, the red anodized dogs. Great buy!

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Guys, I did reach out to Woodpeckers and found that there's a pretty long window for shipment on these, and they are running late shipping them.

I asked where our order was in the queue and was told that we are among the very first that they ship OneTime Tools to. When we receive OneTime Tool orders from Woodpeckers we turn them around to our customers usually the next day.

That said, I suspect they ship to folks that buy direct first. It's always hard to compete against a manufacturer that sell direct for reasons like this. It may mean we lose your order in the future, but I hope that's not the case. The reality is that OneTime Tools are something you'll have to wait many months to receive. And, there are times that, due to unforeseen manufacturing complications, there are delays.

If you're in a hurry for such a tool, it may be best to find one something that's not made-to-order.

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I received mine about a month ago, it’s very nice and robust...definitely worth the wait. Sometimes this OTT thing works out when referencing the time line, sometimes not. I’m still waiting for the 20mm hole boring jig that I ordered directly from Woodpeckers and was supposed to ship in February.

I also received in March, some other items that weren’t supposed to ship until May. Oh well, it is what it is.   [big grin]

Offline RustE

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I ordered the MFT Square from The Tool Nut around the end of January.  While I did not expect to receive mine in early May, I certainly did not anticipate mid to late June.

I understand that problems arise in a production environment.  What I do not like is the lack of communication.  That falls on both The Tool Nut (not Shane) and Woodpeckers.

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I received mine about a month ago, it’s very nice and robust...definitely worth the wait. Sometimes this OTT thing works out when referencing the time line, sometimes not. I’m still waiting for the 20mm hole boring jig that I ordered directly from Woodpeckers and was supposed to ship in February.

I also received in March, some other items that weren’t supposed to ship until May. Oh well, it is what it is.   [big grin]
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I understand that problems arise in a production environment.  What I do not like is the lack of communication.  That falls on both The Tool Nut (not Shane) and Woodpeckers.

@RustE, I completely agree. That was precisely one of the points in my email to them. That, if they determine there will be delays, that we need timely notification. With that information, we will be able to inform our customers of the delay. There were several other points of feedback that I gave that will hopefully improve things that I don't think need to be shared.

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"Sometime" tools?

Too soon?

Offline Mike Upstate

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Shane,
 
  This will is my fourth "one-time" tool order,  but it will be my last. 
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Offline RustE

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Just to keep things interesting:

I received the Woodpecker’s OneTime Edge Tool Sharpening Guide this week.  My order was placed with Festool Products in early March.

Still no news on the MFT Layout & Assembly Square that I ordered in late January.

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If my eyes did not deceive me, I saw two MFT square on the shelf at Woodcraft in Allentown PA.

Offline SouthRider

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Have to start calling them "whenever" tools. Over the last 10 years I have NEVER gotten one on time, and the schedule seems to be slipping more each year.

No fault of the Tool Nut. I use them for these tools because of the free shipping.

With all that said - when I do decide to order one of these I know all this in advance - so there's no reason to get anxious or angry over the delays. If something is compelling enough to order, and not available competitively elsewhere it's a choice whether to put up with woodpeckers schedule and high prices. Kind of like buying Festool and then griping about it. Caveat Emptor!

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