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Offline antss

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2017, 03:09 PM »
I disagree , the problem with FT not responding is simply that they are NOT RESPONDING.

It has been well over a year since they acknowledged the issue. Yet no response.

And yet during that same period they have found time to develop, manufacture and market an entirely new Mitersaw ?  😳

So either they aren't capable of testing damaged and new saws ,or they have found an issue and have chosen not to respond because of the financial exposure that it places on the business.

Neither speaks very highly of company in FT's position.

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Offline safety1st

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2017, 07:49 PM »
I have Milwaukee 1/2" corded drill, circular saw, sawzall, and router that I bought 30 years ago and they have been dropped and are still running and I expect will continue to be running 30 years from now. They were made for contractor use (and abuse) and can take a beating. I don't see that in the Festool product line. I would be amazed if any of the Festool line lasted the first 30 years alone. I also had a 12" skilsaw mitre saw that I used for 20 years and gave to a neighbor 10 years ago that is still going strong. It has been dropped off a workmate table twice. But it simply does not have the precision, repeatable and cleans cuts that the Kapex has.
like some one said, Festool promotes its tools as meeting the toughest demands

My neighbor borrowed a small in-expensive miter saw from another neighbor to work on replacing some porch rails. Instead of putting the saw on a bench or the concrete porch, he just left it sitting in the grass/dirt and even left it with just towel over it during a brief rain shower.  To accurately assess why a product is failing, you have to look at all of the reasons that potentially caused the failure. What one person may view as normal usage may be considered by another as abusive. 
arguably other Festool tools could go through the same harsh treatment. There must be a reason why Kapex failures are reported much more (here) than the other tools.

Offline Gregor

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2017, 08:20 PM »
There must be a reason why Kapex failures are reported much more (here) than the other tools.
Retail price vs. durability (especially where a Kapex failed repeatedly) ?

Offline kevinculle

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2017, 09:19 PM »
My view is different than most (all).

Contrary to the ads, I look at Festool products as more precision tools as oppose to construction grade tools. Can you use them in the field, yeah sure, but they seem more at home in the shop.

I have Milwaukee 1/2" corded drill, circular saw, sawzall, and router that I bought 30 years ago and they have been dropped and are still running and I expect will continue to be running 30 years from now. They were made for contractor use (and abuse) and can take a beating. I don't see that in the Festool product line. I would be amazed if any of the Festool line lasted the first 30 years alone. I also had a 12" skilsaw mitre saw that I used for 20 years and gave to a neighbor 10 years ago that is still going strong. It has been dropped off a workmate table twice. But it simply does not have the precision, repeatable and cleans cuts that the Kapex has.

The difference is the precision and the dust collection.

I have had a Kapex since soon after they came out in the USA.

I always adjust the speed based on the material being cut.
I always bring the saw up to speed before cutting the material (yeah I know it doesn't say you have to but having been WW for the past 45+ years, this is common sense and mentioned in a number of tool manuals.)
I always use the Kapex as a sliding cut and never as a plunge cut. If you cut a 1x6 as  plunge cut you are engaging 6"+ inches of the blade circumference, by sliding cut you are only engaging 1" of blade circumference. You are putting more pressure on the motor by engaging more of the teeth at one time. (If I compare say the motor size on the Kapex to my 18" 5 hp delta radial saw, the 5hp motor does not care how many teeth are engage or what you are cutting.) This is similar comparison to a small motor on a tabletop tablesaw and HD motor on a cabinet saw.
You also get better dust collection by sliding because all of the sawdust is being pushed upwards and not rearward. 
I always take my time making the cut because I am looking for a clean last cut not a hacking/splittering cut a contractor saw does on a 2x4, 2x8 etc. with the expectation of sanding.
I always disconnect the hose to the Kapex and vacuum up the Kapex each day after it has been used.

The problem with Festool not responding to the Kapex issue, is we don't know how many have been sold and what percentage have had motor issues and of the ones that do have motor issues, what was the actual usage and environment. (i.e. was the saw mostly used outside in a construction environment with high humidity or in excessive dusty area with no vac attached.) If Festool were to published they have sold 50,000 Kapex worldwide and only a dozen have had motor issues is completely different that if they have sold only 200 worldwide and 50 have motor issues.

My neighbor borrowed a small in-expensive miter saw from another neighbor to work on replacing some porch rails. Instead of putting the saw on a bench or the concrete porch, he just left it sitting in the grass/dirt and even left it with just towel over it during a brief rain shower.  To accurately assess why a product is failing, you have to look at all of the reasons that potentially caused the failure. What one person may view as normal usage may be considered by another as abusive. 

Therein lies the problem of identifying what is causing the problem.

As someone with now has over $20K invested in Festool products, I would still continue to give them high marks overall....even if the my Kapex motor fries, in which case I will just order the replacement parts and fix it myself.

Rob

Could not have said it better!

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2017, 09:43 PM »
" "What waiting list?" I ask. Oh we have run out of the cartons that we ship broken Kapex in (obviously in high demand), hopefully have one back tomorrow for you."

 [eek] [eek] [eek]

We owners of a Kapex who have, touch wood, had no motor issues with our saws so far can only do one thing (till Festool comes up with a long-lasting fix): Increase our prayers from once a day (before we turn on the Kapex) to twice (or more) (before we unplug the cord).

I agree with many (but not all) of pointers that Rob outlined for using the Kapex or, for that matter, using any sliding compound saw. But it doesn't answer the question why other saws don't fail like Kapex when such good habits are not followed.

Silence is certainly not golden on the part of Festool in this matter. 

« Last Edit: July 06, 2017, 09:46 PM by ChuckM »

Offline mikeyr

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2017, 01:14 PM »
 It takes years to build a reputation for good tools and it only takes 3 pages of complaints/posts to destroy that reputation.

 I am a newbie to Festool, but I still spent $6k since Christmas on Festool and was going to buy the Kapex, I was so happy with the other Festools I purchased (still am), I easily assumed the Kapex was the very best on the market, now I know better and I am looking at others.  Why ? because the competition is talking and Festool is not.  Because of this issue, I will not blindly buy Festool like I did the first few months of this year, I no longer believe they are the best and I worry about customer support if this is the best they can do for support.

 There might not even be a problem with the Kapex, but Festool's silence tells me its a piece of junk and they know it so they keep quiet hoping we all go away on this subject.  Oh, and if its not a piece of junk, they sure let me think so by not telling me otherwise.
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Offline Rsrflooring

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2017, 11:30 PM »
I have talked to 3 people this week in the process of selling my Kapex. Telling the them the pros and cons. They have a decided to to buy the new Makita. Mine is on order. I think that right there is saying something. I am selling my freshly fixed Kapex for $800 with three blades. Thats half off  new one. They still ask me what I am buying and then they decide to do the same and Im okay with that.


Offline antss

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #67 on: July 08, 2017, 11:47 AM »
Hopefully this will be talked about at the pow wow @Tyler C is going to later this month.

And , there will be a formal response from upper management. 

I wouldn't hold my breath though.   [unsure]    My guess is FT will continue to sweep this under the carpet and then roll out the new mini saw.  Hoping people get distracted with all the new products, and the noise generated by those.

Offline Ajax

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2017, 11:59 AM »
Hopefully this will be talked about at the pow wow @Tyler C is going to later this month.

And , there will be a formal response from upper management. 

I wouldn't hold my breath though.   [unsure]    My guess is FT will continue to sweep this under the carpet and then roll out the new mini saw.  Hoping people get distracted with all the new products, and the noise generated by those.

I think you are right.  My bet is they bring out Kapex 2.0 in the future and offer upgrades to existing Kapex owners for some substantial amount of money.

I love my Kapex.  Unfortunately, I'm just a hobbyist and I baby the thing; and my 3 year ownership period is closing soon.  So when the thing blows, I'm paying a fortune to fix a saw that I already paid a fortune for.

Festool's parent company has plenty of cash (they are buying SawStop), but they are too cheep/greedy to fix an obvious fault in the Kapex motor and/or electronics.
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Offline Rsrflooring

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2017, 06:54 PM »
Well finding my self in a hard spot today. In my attempt to use my old makita while awaiting for the new one, Ive started a very detail hardwood job. darn you festool. You made a great saw with awesome dust collection amd very accurate. Just put crap componets inside. tomorrow its going back on my stand. I didnt want to. But i need to. Ahhh.

Offline M Smith

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #70 on: July 21, 2017, 05:35 PM »
My Kapex motor burned up for the third time in 5 years a few weeks ago !!!   In the middle of a big trim job so had to go out and buy a temp/back up which is a joke considering how much I spent on the darn thing. Sent a brief email on the Festool website contact form but have not had a reply ?????   So frustrated like all the others on here. For the hundreth time doesn't anyone else agree that NO other miter saw on the market (US) has speed control and NO other miter saw has had this kind of motor failure issue ???  Since Festool wont come clean we have to "guess" what it is and MY guess is it has to do with the speed control and that it is running thru the CT vac"s. Time will tell, well maybe ??? 

Going to rebuild the Kapex myself since i already did it after the second motor burned up and I wasn't about to pay another $100 to ship it to them, of course, only IF they send me a new armature for free ? If not, it will sit and rust.

Chomping at the bit to get the new Makita LS1019L  but even though it is listed on Amazon's site, it sez it is not available for 1 -2 mos ???  Acmetool and Toolnut both also have it on their sites for a STEAL at $509.99 and FREE shipping !!!!!!!!!! but also "not in stock" yet.  Could buy 3 of them for the price of one Kapex !!!!!  Got the feeling this new Makita slider will become the "gold standard" in the sliding miter saw industry.

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Offline McNally Family

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2017, 05:50 PM »
My Kapex motor burned up for the third time in 5 years a few weeks ago !!!   In the middle of a big trim job so had to go out and buy a temp/back up which is a joke considering how much I spent on the darn thing. Sent a brief email on the Festool website contact form but have not had a reply ?????   So frustrated like all the others on here. For the hundreth time doesn't anyone else agree that NO other miter saw on the market (US) has speed control and NO other miter saw has had this kind of motor failure issue ???  Since Festool wont come clean we have to "guess" what it is and MY guess is it has to do with the speed control and that it is running thru the CT vac"s. Time will tell, well maybe ??? 

Going to rebuild the Kapex myself since i already did it after the second motor burned up and I wasn't about to pay another $100 to ship it to them, of course, only IF they send me a new armature for free ? If not, it will sit and rust.

Chomping at the bit to get the new Makita LS1019L  but even though it is listed on Amazon's site, it sez it is not available for 1 -2 mos ???  Acmetool and Toolnut both also have it on their sites for a STEAL at $509.99 and FREE shipping !!!!!!!!!! but also "not in stock" yet.  Could buy 3 of them for the price of one Kapex !!!!!  Got the feeling this new Makita slider will become the "gold standard" in the sliding miter saw industry.

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Offline Cheese

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2017, 09:27 AM »

https://www.burnstools.com/ls1019l-10-dual-slide-compound-miter-saw


Interesting as to how the Makita is being marketed. They list 24 different features, however,  "Excellent dust extraction performance with included dust bag" is the 24th and final feature listed. [eek]

Other features such as "Rubberized D-handle", "Replaceable miter scale" & "Oversized trigger switch" appear to be more important.  [jawdrop]
« Last Edit: July 22, 2017, 01:09 PM by Cheese »

Offline glass1

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2017, 09:41 AM »
Cheese: And your point is what ?  A comfortable grip/ trigger is not important. I guess the carpel tunnel trigger on the kapex is good enough.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2017, 10:32 AM »
Cheese: And your point is what ?  A comfortable grip/ trigger is not important. I guess the carpel tunnel trigger on the kapex is good enough.

Just an observation...I just thought it was strange to put more emphasis on an "Oversized trigger switch" than on dust collection capabilities.

Especially when Makita has copied many of the Kapex features...why wouldn't dust collection be held in higher esteem?

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2017, 11:31 AM »
Why is the new Makita saw still using the screw type clamp?

I observe that many saw users (regardless of brands other than Festool) do not use their clamps as it is inconvenient to engage and disengage them for every cut. The Kapex clamps are the best (and it is silly not to use them since they are soooo expensive and well designed for quick engagement and disengagement). I use the clamp in 90% of my cuts, even for the long boards, for safety, but also because clamping ensures zero creeping or movement.

Yes, dust collection on the Kapex is the best among all mitresaws, just as the SawStop dust collection blade guard is, in the cabinet saw category.

« Last Edit: July 22, 2017, 11:38 AM by ChuckM »

Offline glass1

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2017, 02:11 PM »
99% of the time actual site carpenters building actual houses do not use the clamp. Maybe it's different for the hobbyists. That being said the makita clamp looks goofy but is quite effective as it can pivot all around and has a deeper throat than the limited fancy expensive and yes easy to clamp festool clamp. Come on it's a miter saw how often does one need the clamp. I use it mostly to clamp a sacrificial fence for small pieces or quick dados.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #77 on: July 22, 2017, 06:33 PM »
Come on it's a miter saw how often does one need the clamp.

Every woodworker has their different ways of doing things. About 90% of the time I use the Kapex, I use the clamp. If the piece is too short, I use a bridge-over with the clamp. Precision as well as safety is important in my work. Speed, not so much by comparison.

When I teach and use the Kapex, 100% of the time I use the clamp by myself (as a model) or with the students. No exceptions there, for safety reasons. When I teach and use the bandsaw, I use sticks so the student's hands would not pass beyond the blade, in addition to using guard and feather boards where applicable. After teaching for about 10 years, I have had zero power tool injuries record for the students under my belt.

Yes, site carpenters do all kinds of things I wouldn't dare try. When my contractor roofers used their saws without push sticks, guards, etc., it was not my call to tell them to how to do it. (I did insist in writing they use safety harnesses on the roof. In writing as part of the contract). When my deck was rebuilt, I saw guys using their nailers and contractor saws without wearing ear or eye protection, it was none of my business to show them how they should use their tools. When the flooring guys did the hardwood flooring for my neighbor, they made angle cuts with their hands so close to the blade that I told my neighbor they were playing Russian Roulette. 

Personally, I consider the mitre saw the second most dangerous tool -- followed by the jointer and bandsaw -- in my shop. Others may think otherwise. I have seen well-known woodworkers on videos placing their hands inside the zone marked dangerous on the table. I am not them.


« Last Edit: July 22, 2017, 10:28 PM by ChuckM »

Offline antss

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2017, 06:43 PM »
This discussion has come up before and I remember Chuck being a champion of a clamp.

But the fact remains that most people don't use one.  Many saws don't ship with them, and most outlets don't even carry them as accessories for the brands that offer them.

I myself prefer to not have to pay for an item I'll never use.  If you like and use them great. Buy all you want , but don't penalize the rest of us.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2017, 07:02 PM »
Buy all you want , but don't penalize the rest of us.

?

???

I didn't suggest every mitre saw must be sold with a clamp. Festool -- not me -- bundles its Kapex with a  clamp.

I'd love to have one more, but the price tag ($80 at that time?) was too deep for me. If Festool sold a second one as an option with the new saw for $40, I would have bought one more for sure. Didn't they say you can never have enough....
« Last Edit: July 22, 2017, 10:27 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2017, 07:50 PM »
For almost 30 years I owned and used 2 Milwaukee mitre saws. Over that time I used the supplied Milwaukee clamp at the most 15-20 times.

And then I bought a Kapex...because of the wacky off-cut issues and throwing small pieces of wood, I use the Kapex clamp 90% of the time. I'm not afraid of the saw, but I do get startled when a piece of wood gets bounced off the saw or blade guard. The last thing I need is to become startled by the noise and move my hand into the spinning blade...the clamp prevents that from happening.  [cool]

And I'm certainly not a safety freak as I usually drive a motorcycle without a helmet and the blade guard/splitter on my Bosch 4000 series table was removed 10 years ago.  [tongue]

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2017, 08:59 PM »
After I bent a Festool blade on my Kapex I started using a ZCF (zero clearance fence) to minimize projectiles. I wasn't getting 90 degree cuts so I placed the blade on a piece of granite and used my feeler gauges to find out  that the blade wasn't  flat.


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Offline antss

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2017, 11:28 PM »
What I'm saying is I prefer companies that don't bundle accessories (that most people don't use) into the price of their machines. 

You don't think FT is giving the clamp away ? 

Having them as additional cost accessories is the fairest way. You can buy them because you want one , or need them to so,be a design flaw. But I don't have to pay for one when I feel they are of no value.   


Offline ChuckM

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2017, 11:41 PM »
Festool is not known for giving out free lunches.

It cuts both ways. If a clamp wasn't part of the deal, people could challenge or criticize it as being an incomplete saw for that kind of price (assuming it took out the clamp and lowered the price to, say, $1400).

Bundled or not, I look at the total cost and the benefits before I decide on a purchase.

Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #84 on: July 28, 2017, 09:42 PM »
 Earlier today I stopped into my local woodcraft and in the process of purchasing a few accessories I offhandedly asked if anyone had heard of the Kapex burning up issues.  Neither one of the sales associates had heard anything about it.  This particular woodcraft is the largest distributor of Festool in my area. How is it possible that they had not heard about this?

I was working with a another Festoolian today and his saw went up in smoke after  about a year and a half. It was repaired under warranty he and he maintains it is because the saw was not designed to be plugged into the CT 26 outlet. Now he uses a remote starter switch with two independent cords, one powers the vacuum and the other powers the saw.  Each cord from the switch is routed to its own 20A circuit.

 When I mentioned the issue with my coworker to the woodcraft sales associates they both said that their demonstration saw has been plugged into the CT vacuum for its entire life and they have had no problems with their demonstration saw.  This particular saw is used daily to cut millwork for customers and for classroom activities. It likely does not get the same use as a contractor would give it, but this particular unit they said is 10 years old and they have had no problems with it.

 I am beginning to think that when the Kapex became popular about five years ago, festool changed internal components and this has led to the failures.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 06:41 AM by Naildrivingman »
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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #85 on: July 29, 2017, 06:30 AM »
Festool is not known for giving out free lunches.

It's a secret but Festool will give you a free lunch at Festool Connect!
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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #86 on: July 29, 2017, 08:11 AM »
Not to hijack the thread @Cheese , but I've always wondered why people ride motorcycles without helmets.  Is it a conscious decision because wearing a helmet cuts down on visibility, or somehow impedes the total experience of being on a bike?  It's always seemed to me like a needless risk to go without a helmet, but I'm not a motorcyclist.

For almost 30 years I owned and used 2 Milwaukee mitre saws. Over that time I used the supplied Milwaukee clamp at the most 15-20 times.

And then I bought a Kapex...because of the wacky off-cut issues and throwing small pieces of wood, I use the Kapex clamp 90% of the time. I'm not afraid of the saw, but I do get startled when a piece of wood gets bounced off the saw or blade guard. The last thing I need is to become startled by the noise and move my hand into the spinning blade...the clamp prevents that from happening.  [cool]

And I'm certainly not a safety freak as I usually drive a motorcycle without a helmet and the blade guard/splitter on my Bosch 4000 series table was removed 10 years ago.  [tongue]
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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #87 on: July 29, 2017, 09:15 AM »
Not to hijack the thread @Cheese , but I've always wondered why people ride motorcycles without helmets.  Is it a conscious decision because wearing a helmet cuts down on visibility, or somehow impedes the total experience of being on a bike?  It's always seemed to me like a needless risk to go without a helmet, but I'm not a motorcyclist.

...

It is interesting, I always wear one.
But when skiing, when one wears googles for racing when they wear sunnies for regular skiing it changes the experience a lot.

In any case, in Denmark there is no helmet law.
The incidence of accidents is lower without a helmet, which is contrary to "common sense". Maybe they are more conscience, or maybe the car drivers are more aware, or maybe the cyclist are more careful and cautious.

If you plan on crashing, then a helmet is clearly a good idea.

Motorcycle have the benefit of being faster than push-bikes, so when it all goes "pear-shaped" it happens faster and with more force and energy.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #88 on: July 29, 2017, 09:21 AM »
Festool is not known for giving out free lunches.

It's a secret but Festool will give you a free lunch at Festool Connect!

I know they hand out T-shirts, stickers and at some events (Connect?), even systainers, too!
« Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 10:47 AM by ChuckM »

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Re: Another Kapex Bites the dust. Again.
« Reply #89 on: July 29, 2017, 10:03 AM »

In any case, in Denmark there is no helmet law.
The incidence of accidents is lower without a helmet, which is contrary to "common sense".

It's not the incidents of accidents but the severity of head injuries that should be compared.