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Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2017, 10:19 AM »
I'm keeping the ones I've got for now, and I even have one more on the wish list.  The number one reason is that I work in an enclosed shop and no other tools I've used handle dust as well as Festool (sanders, routers, saws).  The number two reason is that nothing else does what a Domino does quite as well or quickly.  The number three reason is the versatility of the MFT clamping system.  On that score the Parf Guide system (which I have used very successfully) and other similar jigs mean that Festool and CNC machines no longer have a corner on MFT style tops.  A lot of people are selling a nice variety of 20mm accessories now, so Festool doesn't own that market either.

I ditched a Festool 18V drill because I couldn't see what the value proposition was.  After I bought it, I kept reaching for my Milwaukee M12 for most shop chores, or my 20V DeWalt if I needed big boy power.  I'll probably never get a Festool jigsaw because I hardly use the ones I've got now.  A Kapex is out because it seems to be the poster boy for reliability problems -and- I've already got a Bosch in a dust collection hood that is well tuned.

That said, I am concerned about reliability over time.  My first Festool was a Domino 2.5 years ago, and I've already sent it and a cordless drill in for service.  That's a higher rate of failure than other brands I own, but the service experience in both cases was professional.  However, I'm starting to reach the end of warranty on my earliest purchases, and if my Festool tools continue to fail at more or less the same rate, I'm sure I'll start to buy alternatives.  For now I'm keeping what I've got.

So my suggestion is to be deliberate about what Festool tools you buy.  You're paying more for them, but there is more to value than just price and reliability.  Understand what they offer you, and balance that value against what you will pay for them.  I get a lot of information from other FOG users (thanks to all!) that goes into my decision making, but at the end of the day, I need to make the decisions based on what makes sense for my checkbook, shop, and patterns of work.
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Offline Cochese

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2017, 11:42 AM »
Ditch? No. I like what I have. But I'm not really interested in much else, which is the bigger problem. Festool not only needs to expand the userbase, but keep the core buyers engaged as well.

I mean, a Rotex and the bigger Domino, and that might be all I ever do.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2017, 12:18 PM »
The only tool I’ve thought about replacing is the TS55 and buy the Mafell.  Having the bigger motor of the Mafell is a big plus for me. 

Offline Cheese

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2017, 12:35 PM »
I have a lot of Festools...9 sanders, 3 routers, 3 track saws, 2 Dominos and the list goes on. At this stage I think only the Kapex, HKC, TSC 55 and OF 1400 have any of their original 3 year warranty left.

Over the years the only Festool problem I've encountered was one of the LED's in the SysLite Uni burned out. I filled out an on-line form and received a free shipping label within 15 minutes. I walked the package down to UPS the same day and 5 days later I received my repaired SysLite. You can't fault service like that. [cool]

I have replaced the Trion and the Carvex with a P1 cc and am contemplating replacing the TS 55 with a MT 55. Other than that...no, I'm not ditching Festool.  [big grin]

Offline sheperd80

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2017, 10:39 PM »
I have at CT Midi, DF500, OF1010, ETS-EC 150/5, Pro 5, RO90, and TS55.
I love em all and dont see ever ditching the system. This set works very well for me. Might add a DF700 and another sander or router but thats it. The rest... kapex, carvex, vecturo, the drills, the mft, lr32 system... No thanks festool lol. Nice try though.

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Offline grbmds

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2017, 09:20 AM »
I own a number of Festool tools and use them as needed. Right now I don't need any tools period (sad) but can't see any reason why I would sell any of them at this point much "ditch" Festool. They are all great tools.
Randy

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2017, 11:18 AM »
Hi,

Given the journey you've been through I understand how you feel, I have been there with other brands/services at some point you need to vent and then ditch it eventually to keep sanity.

That said, Festool has been quite the exact opposite experience for me in all regards, so I have zero reasons/plans to ditch any of my Festool tools. All of my Festool tools work like a charm and meet or exceed my expectations. I love working with them.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2017, 02:16 PM »
Ditch Festool tools?  No way!

My wife would like me to ditch my Mafell habit, strictly due to purchase cost.  All she can see is the bottom line, and does not have an appreciation for the finer aspects of the tools.  Her eyes just cross when you try and describe the unique features of the Mafell tools, so if anything, my Mafell purchases make it easier for me to purchase more Festool tools.   

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Offline Holmz

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2017, 03:14 PM »
Ditch Festool tools?  No way!

My wife would like me to ditch my Mafell habit, strictly due to purchase cost.  All she can see is the bottom line, and does not have an appreciation for the finer aspects of the tools.  Her eyes just cross when you try and describe the unique features of the Mafell tools, so if anything, my Mafell purchases make it easier for me to purchase more Festool tools.

Mine said (a while back)... don't spend any more on those Festools...
So I got a Lamello Zeta and a Mirka.

Their perspective on the value of tools seems to change if they get some pieces made from them... (just say'in)
On the horizon is the bathroom cabinet and some armoir units for the guest room. Which coincidentally translated into "the need" for a puck light jig.

Offline Arvid

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2017, 07:35 PM »
I'm slowly ditching them. have two kapexes left and a drill. after those go no more. none of them were worth it. they didn't last any longer then any other tool out there for half sometimes a quarter the price.

Offline ear3

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2017, 07:46 AM »
No.
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Offline chewy

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2017, 04:42 PM »
Not ditch, but just have a much different opinion of them now. It's the reliability, quality control and short tool life that put me off. Fingers crossed it would fail within the 3 year warranty period, if not you're in for a hefty repair bill. Chances are the cost of repair would be enough to buy a similar tool from a well respected brand. Reading all the kapex issues was the final nail in the  coffin.

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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2017, 11:33 PM »
Ditch Festool tools?  No way!

My wife would like me to ditch my Mafell habit, strictly due to purchase cost.  All she can see is the bottom line, and does not have an appreciation for the finer aspects of the tools.  Her eyes just cross when you try and describe the unique features of the Mafell tools, so if anything, my Mafell purchases make it easier for me to purchase more Festool tools.

Mine said (a while back)... don't spend any more on those Festools...
So I got a Lamello Zeta and a Mirka.

Their perspective on the value of tools seems to change if they get some pieces made from them... (just say'in)
On the horizon is the bathroom cabinet and some armoir units for the guest room. Which coincidentally translated into "the need" for a puck light jig.

No wife, but a nagging immediate family that seems to know my every expenditure.
I showed my mother and sister some US Makita marketing materials with the spandexed bimbos and then showed them a Festool catalogue with Kayleen McCabe working away with a rotex.   Long story short, they have never negatively criticised my Festool purchases since.  :)


Offline estley

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2017, 10:49 AM »
ditching? no, I'm happy with pretty much all my festool purchases, except maybe the surfix, but then again, my ideal finish is one that applies itself, looks great, and requires no participation on my end.

however, I do a little more research on alternatives nowadays instead of just assuming that the festool offering is the best option out there.


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Offline Coen

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2017, 11:42 PM »
Nope. Ditching to me means; taking a large upfront cost. And in this case I don't see any gains for me as the Festools I have have been doing just fine for me.

However, when looking for a new battery drill... the Festool prices just seem a bit "out there". And since the battery drills don't integrate into a giant system like the FS, MFT, CT, etc. ... I'm tempted to try something else. But then again I like the 90 degree and excenter chuck. Especially the later seems to be nowhere else to be found...

Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2017, 11:58 PM »
Bosch Flexiclick does the same now, 90 degree angle attachment, offcenter as well for half the cost of the CXS set. I have both.

Nope. Ditching to me means; taking a large upfront cost. And in this case I don't see any gains for me as the Festools I have have been doing just fine for me.

However, when looking for a new battery drill... the Festool prices just seem a bit "out there". And since the battery drills don't integrate into a giant system like the FS, MFT, CT, etc. ... I'm tempted to try something else. But then again I like the 90 degree and excenter chuck. Especially the later seems to be nowhere else to be found...
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Offline Coen

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2017, 12:11 PM »
Bosch Flexiclick does the same now, 90 degree angle attachment, offcenter as well for half the cost of the CXS set. I have both.

Nope. Ditching to me means; taking a large upfront cost. And in this case I don't see any gains for me as the Festools I have have been doing just fine for me.

However, when looking for a new battery drill... the Festool prices just seem a bit "out there". And since the battery drills don't integrate into a giant system like the FS, MFT, CT, etc. ... I'm tempted to try something else. But then again I like the 90 degree and excenter chuck. Especially the later seems to be nowhere else to be found...

Half the cost!? Huh? I was looking at T18+3 Set vs competition, not in the CXS / GSR12 range. The Flexiclick system with the 90 degree and excenter chuck seems to always come combined with the SDS chuck, for which I don't care at all. At that point the cost of the Bosch balloons to within 15% of the Festool, but has 24% smaller batteries and comes in an L-Boxx, which I can't stack with anything else. At that point...
However, the Bosch system is also available with an impact driver, in a set with 3 batteries (w/o the chucks) for less than just a Festool T18+3 Plus. And Festool doesn't have an impact driver at all at the moment.

I also wonder how the different brands have their switches. Having worked last week with a Metabo 14.4V (Li) from a few years ago, a new 18V (Li) Dewalt and my ancient Festool BPS 15.6 NiCD (with DIY rebuild battery) I found that only my Festool allowed very slow rotation. The other drills seemed to have a minium rotationspeed of like 120 rpm. My Festool was however... significantly heavier with the slowest top RPM. But unlike the Dewalt... the cilindrical chuck didn't need tightening every half hole.

Offline SoonerFan

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2017, 09:31 PM »
I will not be ditching the brand anytime soon.  I have about a dozen Festools and started on the green journey about 4 years ago.  About half of my Festools are out of warranty and about half are not.  So far I have not had an issue with any of the tools.  My purchases have slowed because I have basically what I need and am just a hobbyist so not expecting any to wear out anytime soon.

I am very pleased with the accuracy and at least so far the quality.

Offline sospan

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2017, 02:05 PM »
I am not ditching Festool - exactly the opposite more consolidating onto it.  I used to have routes from DeWalt, Bosh, Makita, Trend, Freud etc. I have replaced all these brands with a few Festool routers and life is much simpler.

The only problem I had was with a problematic Carvex jigsaw which was more down to an incompetent dealer and once Festool UK stepped in it was resolved in a day.

Indeed there is even a regional manager that will call on site should I have a problem or need a demo. There is much better support from Festool in the UK than any other brand I know of.   I don't know if it is available outside of the UK but we get theft replacement service which is very reassuring considering the value of the kit.

For me it is gradual process of selling my older tools and replacing them with the Festool equivalents - just need some good product promotions to speed up the process

Offline green fever

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2017, 12:10 AM »
Okay guys here’s my response regarding service from Festool uk , my kapex 120 which was purchased 2013 had a problem I called service explained what the problem was I completed the online questionnaire regarding the fault , within 24 hours fedex came to my job site collected the saw within three days my saw was returned all the repairs carried out without charge New armiture , brushes & a service, my saw is well over a year out of the warranty period and Festool carried out all the work for free , so would I ditch Festool tools not a chance , what other company would even consider that ? Just a note I have a 2010 kapex that has carried out thousands of cuts and has never had a fault other than a blade guard which was caused by a piece of wood that was split and consequently thrown up into the guard that was repaired again by Festool at the time under warranty, I have used Festool services around 3 times since 2010 and my own personal experience with service has been excellent, the money I have invested in Festool tools is a testament in itself and where I can sympathise with your experience regarding repairs I have found Festool uk very helpful in my case, we as Festool owners expect the tools to last without having them constantly breaking down I hope that your tools are repaired and the recent bad luck is going to change, I can understand your frustration with the tools and the problems you have encountered but I’m sure phil & the service department will get you all sorted out , green

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2017, 12:42 AM »
@green fever

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Offline scholar

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2017, 07:31 PM »
No, I am not thinking of ditching my Festool collection, but the question is thought-provoking.

I am an enthusiast woodworker and manyotherthingsworker – in many ways, my tool collection, whilst all pretty well used and mostly bought with something specific in mind, is a bit of an indulgence; that is, I draw some satisfaction from using tools that are nicely designed and made and, in the case of Festool, was attracted early on to the concept of the “system” and clean, dust-free working (which at the time was quite an innovation).  That is to say that I am not a professional who would more likely have to take a harder line on the economic equation and my tools do not take a hammering (if I was a pro, I would no doubt have the same weaknesses and make no money anyway).

I am in pretty deep and my Festool collection has built up inexorably:
-   My first purchase was a TDD12 drill with the Fastfix attachments which I thought revolutionary.  The build quality of this drill was exceptional – since sold and replaced with a T18+3 plus a TXS 2.6
-   Then a CentroFix set (since added to and now pretty complete)
-   Maybe at the same time, I got a RS400/DS400 sander, closely followed by a Rotex RO150 (since replaced with the newest versions – more about Cleantec adaptors later)
-   I used these with my Fein Dustex that I still have, but added a CT Mini and later a CT26E (with excellent reusable bag)
-   There followed a flurry of:
        -   TS75 plus assortment of guide rails, including the indispensable 3m rail
        -     Kapex - I got the MFT800, but found this a bit chunky and replaced it with the UG cart and extensions).  This was perhaps the first point I saw some imperfections in the Festool offering – I had, and still have, an Elektra Beckum Mitre saw.  It doesn’t have the (excellent) laser guide (although that was an option) or angle thingy of the Kapex, but the Elektra Beckum side extensions are miles better than the original Kapex extensions and the UG replacements.
         -      Domino DF500 etc
         -      OF2200 router, then OF1400 router; I then thought I should complete the set and replaced my trusty old Elu MOF96E router with a OF1010 – this has been a bit of a disappointment, not because there is much wrong with the OF1010, but the MOF96E was a fantastic machine, not least because it had a really good little benchtop router table that I miss a great deal.
-      At some point the Classic systainers were replaced with the T-Locs and I upgraded all of mine to the excellent T-Locs.  At the same time, I ditched all my Bosch L-Boxxes (extensive Bosch 12v collection) and various DeWalt boxes (extensive DeWalt 18V collection) and replaced with Tanos T-Locs with colour-coded latches.
-      I forgot to mention the BS105 belt sander and frame etc (an unbelievably capable tool)
-      Also, the HL850 planer plus bench stand
-      When the Domizilla DF700 came out, I “needed” this for some garage doors (again excellent machine)
-   A more recent infill is the BHC18 hammer drill (only enticed by the free battery offer), that I have yet to use properly.
-   Accessories accumulated include an LR32 set, parallel guides etc, a KAL light (good but poor battery performance), a DUO light (excellent), MFS 400 ++, various hoses and other bits and pieces.

I hope no-one has tried adding up the cost of the above – cost has not been the sole criterion (obvs!).  I do have more tools than I need, partly because my time (and some tools) are split between; two places, home and a family-owned, never-ending project.  The key question implicit in what the OP asked is what I would be happy to be without – for sure, I have other tools that could do the same jobs, other drills, a circular saw that can run against a straight edge, dust extractors, Lamello biscuit joiner and Zeta that will (mostly) do the job of the Domino’s etc etc; however, looking at my list, I have not identified anything I would rather replace with a competing product.

I don’t think that Festool is perfect – in the UK we know that the service function struggles a bit and I have mentioned a few flaws in some products.
I do think that Festool seems to have lost some of its distinctiveness as other brands have caught up.
I do have some frustrations with the product range, notably the seriously flawed (and misnamed) “Cleantec” adapters and the excessive wait for T-Loc fixing on the CT extractors. 
I do value my other-branded tools, notably Bosch,  DeWalt and Lamello.
I do place some value on the FOG as a source of information and inspiration, leaving aside on the one hand some over-exuberant evangelism and on the other hand some whingeing.

So, no, I am not giving up on Festool (but the competition is hot out there).

Just my experience and my thoughts, but thanks for getting me to think about it.

Cheers







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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2017, 11:57 PM »
I’ve dropped over $10k in new Festool stuff just this year and had a sizable collection before January. My first purchase was a RO150 and MIDI back in 2006.  Both those still are in working order.

I’m trying to systainerize all my non Festool tools and stuff. They make organization so much easier.


I lost the set screw for a Hilti 2 1/4” SDS core bits the other day.  They only sell the 6” centering pilot bit with the set screw as a package. $85.  That’s one 6” 3/8” bit and a Set screw.  Festool is a bargain after that.


Offline Coen

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2017, 06:25 PM »
Except that Festool doesn't really have anything with SDS, besides that one battery hammer.

Protool used to have some wired hammers, but they seem to have disappeared completely.

Hitachi sells one in a Classic systainer.

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2017, 09:00 PM »
Nope. All my Festools perform as advertised. As do my tool from other brands. I'm just one happy customer.
Just for today..

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2017, 11:40 PM »
Except that Festool doesn't really have anything with SDS, besides that one battery hammer.

Protool used to have some wired hammers, but they seem to have disappeared completely.

Hitachi sells one in a Classic systainer.

I firmly believe that Bosch is, was & probably will remain the kings in hammers of all varieties:  cordless, corded, sds +, max & even hex.  Some others are up there too.  Both Hilti & Makita make excellent bigger hammers, & Wacker Neumann certainly make the most powerful (3600w, 100+J) electric hammers in the business.

But nobody else has the depth of range in all categories as Bosch.  Not the power & performance edge.  Nor the price points either.  Whilst much of Robert Bosch's tool range leaves a little (or a lot) to be desired, their hammers rule.  All but the biggest should fit into Sys IIs, Midi or maybe MaxiSys/tainers.

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2017, 11:47 PM »
I have a bunch of Festools and never had a failure. The thought of ditching the brand has never crossed my mind. There is a reaon there are multiple manufacturers though.... Different stroke for different folks!

Jack

Offline Coen

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2017, 01:28 PM »
Except that Festool doesn't really have anything with SDS, besides that one battery hammer.

Protool used to have some wired hammers, but they seem to have disappeared completely.

Hitachi sells one in a Classic systainer.

I firmly believe that Bosch is, was & probably will remain the kings in hammers of all varieties:  cordless, corded, sds +, max & even hex.  Some others are up there too.  Both Hilti & Makita make excellent bigger hammers, & Wacker Neumann certainly make the most powerful (3600w, 100+J) electric hammers in the business.

But nobody else has the depth of range in all categories as Bosch.  Not the power & performance edge.  Nor the price points either.  Whilst much of Robert Bosch's tool range leaves a little (or a lot) to be desired, their hammers rule.  All but the biggest should fit into Sys IIs, Midi or maybe MaxiSys/tainers.

But Bosch doesn't sell them in a Systainer ;). So that tags on another €40.

Nor do they come with Plug-it, although with a hammer that might be less of a problem. Having said that; I used my planer (EHL 65) a few days ago, and it was the only tool with fixed cord, grr. New EHL 65's do have Plug-it though. I have the retrofit-kit, but I'm afraid that will just make it worse.

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2017, 02:14 PM »
Except that Festool doesn't really have anything with SDS, besides that one battery hammer.

Protool used to have some wired hammers, but they seem to have disappeared completely.

Hitachi sells one in a Classic systainer.

I firmly believe that Bosch is, was & probably will remain the kings in hammers of all varieties:  cordless, corded, sds +, max & even hex.  Some others are up there too.  Both Hilti & Makita make excellent bigger hammers, & Wacker Neumann certainly make the most powerful (3600w, 100+J) electric hammers in the business.

But nobody else has the depth of range in all categories as Bosch.  Not the power & performance edge.  Nor the price points either.  Whilst much of Robert Bosch's tool range leaves a little (or a lot) to be desired, their hammers rule.  All but the biggest should fit into Sys IIs, Midi or maybe MaxiSys/tainers.
To be king or queen, both will be fine. [big grin] Even though, Hilti and Makita with Bosch are very good and I have respect  for all of them, but I would never give up my Flex and Metabo for none of them including Festool. Cordless or corded.
Here is the latest Metabo with dust collector.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=LoLb_BOPQgY

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2017, 03:28 PM »
That on board DC is pretty cool!

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