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Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2017, 10:19 AM »
I'm keeping the ones I've got for now, and I even have one more on the wish list.  The number one reason is that I work in an enclosed shop and no other tools I've used handle dust as well as Festool (sanders, routers, saws).  The number two reason is that nothing else does what a Domino does quite as well or quickly.  The number three reason is the versatility of the MFT clamping system.  On that score the Parf Guide system (which I have used very successfully) and other similar jigs mean that Festool and CNC machines no longer have a corner on MFT style tops.  A lot of people are selling a nice variety of 20mm accessories now, so Festool doesn't own that market either.

I ditched a Festool 18V drill because I couldn't see what the value proposition was.  After I bought it, I kept reaching for my Milwaukee M12 for most shop chores, or my 20V DeWalt if I needed big boy power.  I'll probably never get a Festool jigsaw because I hardly use the ones I've got now.  A Kapex is out because it seems to be the poster boy for reliability problems -and- I've already got a Bosch in a dust collection hood that is well tuned.

That said, I am concerned about reliability over time.  My first Festool was a Domino 2.5 years ago, and I've already sent it and a cordless drill in for service.  That's a higher rate of failure than other brands I own, but the service experience in both cases was professional.  However, I'm starting to reach the end of warranty on my earliest purchases, and if my Festool tools continue to fail at more or less the same rate, I'm sure I'll start to buy alternatives.  For now I'm keeping what I've got.

So my suggestion is to be deliberate about what Festool tools you buy.  You're paying more for them, but there is more to value than just price and reliability.  Understand what they offer you, and balance that value against what you will pay for them.  I get a lot of information from other FOG users (thanks to all!) that goes into my decision making, but at the end of the day, I need to make the decisions based on what makes sense for my checkbook, shop, and patterns of work.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2017, 10:23 AM by HarveyWildes »

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Offline Cochese

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2017, 11:42 AM »
Ditch? No. I like what I have. But I'm not really interested in much else, which is the bigger problem. Festool not only needs to expand the userbase, but keep the core buyers engaged as well.

I mean, a Rotex and the bigger Domino, and that might be all I ever do.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2017, 12:18 PM »
The only tool I’ve thought about replacing is the TS55 and buy the Mafell.  Having the bigger motor of the Mafell is a big plus for me. 

Offline Cheese

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2017, 12:35 PM »
I have a lot of Festools...9 sanders, 3 routers, 3 track saws, 2 Dominos and the list goes on. At this stage I think only the Kapex, HKC, TSC 55 and OF 1400 have any of their original 3 year warranty left.

Over the years the only Festool problem I've encountered was one of the LED's in the SysLite Uni burned out. I filled out an on-line form and received a free shipping label within 15 minutes. I walked the package down to UPS the same day and 5 days later I received my repaired SysLite. You can't fault service like that. [cool]

I have replaced the Trion and the Carvex with a P1 cc and am contemplating replacing the TS 55 with a MT 55. Other than that...no, I'm not ditching Festool.  [big grin]

Offline sheperd80

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2017, 10:39 PM »
I have at CT Midi, DF500, OF1010, ETS-EC 150/5, Pro 5, RO90, and TS55.
I love em all and dont see ever ditching the system. This set works very well for me. Might add a DF700 and another sander or router but thats it. The rest... kapex, carvex, vecturo, the drills, the mft, lr32 system... No thanks festool lol. Nice try though.

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Offline grbmds

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2017, 09:20 AM »
I own a number of Festool tools and use them as needed. Right now I don't need any tools period (sad) but can't see any reason why I would sell any of them at this point much "ditch" Festool. They are all great tools.
Randy

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2017, 11:18 AM »
Hi,

Given the journey you've been through I understand how you feel, I have been there with other brands/services at some point you need to vent and then ditch it eventually to keep sanity.

That said, Festool has been quite the exact opposite experience for me in all regards, so I have zero reasons/plans to ditch any of my Festool tools. All of my Festool tools work like a charm and meet or exceed my expectations. I love working with them.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

Offline McNally Family

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2017, 02:16 PM »
Ditch Festool tools?  No way!

My wife would like me to ditch my Mafell habit, strictly due to purchase cost.  All she can see is the bottom line, and does not have an appreciation for the finer aspects of the tools.  Her eyes just cross when you try and describe the unique features of the Mafell tools, so if anything, my Mafell purchases make it easier for me to purchase more Festool tools.   

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Offline Holmz

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2017, 03:14 PM »
Ditch Festool tools?  No way!

My wife would like me to ditch my Mafell habit, strictly due to purchase cost.  All she can see is the bottom line, and does not have an appreciation for the finer aspects of the tools.  Her eyes just cross when you try and describe the unique features of the Mafell tools, so if anything, my Mafell purchases make it easier for me to purchase more Festool tools.

Mine said (a while back)... don't spend any more on those Festools...
So I got a Lamello Zeta and a Mirka.

Their perspective on the value of tools seems to change if they get some pieces made from them... (just say'in)
On the horizon is the bathroom cabinet and some armoir units for the guest room. Which coincidentally translated into "the need" for a puck light jig.

Offline Arvid

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2017, 07:35 PM »
I'm slowly ditching them. have two kapexes left and a drill. after those go no more. none of them were worth it. they didn't last any longer then any other tool out there for half sometimes a quarter the price.

Offline ear3

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2017, 07:46 AM »
No.
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Offline chewy

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2017, 04:42 PM »
Not ditch, but just have a much different opinion of them now. It's the reliability, quality control and short tool life that put me off. Fingers crossed it would fail within the 3 year warranty period, if not you're in for a hefty repair bill. Chances are the cost of repair would be enough to buy a similar tool from a well respected brand. Reading all the kapex issues was the final nail in the  coffin.

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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2017, 11:33 PM »
Ditch Festool tools?  No way!

My wife would like me to ditch my Mafell habit, strictly due to purchase cost.  All she can see is the bottom line, and does not have an appreciation for the finer aspects of the tools.  Her eyes just cross when you try and describe the unique features of the Mafell tools, so if anything, my Mafell purchases make it easier for me to purchase more Festool tools.

Mine said (a while back)... don't spend any more on those Festools...
So I got a Lamello Zeta and a Mirka.

Their perspective on the value of tools seems to change if they get some pieces made from them... (just say'in)
On the horizon is the bathroom cabinet and some armoir units for the guest room. Which coincidentally translated into "the need" for a puck light jig.

No wife, but a nagging immediate family that seems to know my every expenditure.
I showed my mother and sister some US Makita marketing materials with the spandexed bimbos and then showed them a Festool catalogue with Kayleen McCabe working away with a rotex.   Long story short, they have never negatively criticised my Festool purchases since.  :)


Offline estley

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2017, 10:49 AM »
ditching? no, I'm happy with pretty much all my festool purchases, except maybe the surfix, but then again, my ideal finish is one that applies itself, looks great, and requires no participation on my end.

however, I do a little more research on alternatives nowadays instead of just assuming that the festool offering is the best option out there.


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Offline Coen

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2017, 11:42 PM »
Nope. Ditching to me means; taking a large upfront cost. And in this case I don't see any gains for me as the Festools I have have been doing just fine for me.

However, when looking for a new battery drill... the Festool prices just seem a bit "out there". And since the battery drills don't integrate into a giant system like the FS, MFT, CT, etc. ... I'm tempted to try something else. But then again I like the 90 degree and excenter chuck. Especially the later seems to be nowhere else to be found...

Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2017, 11:58 PM »
Bosch Flexiclick does the same now, 90 degree angle attachment, offcenter as well for half the cost of the CXS set. I have both.

Nope. Ditching to me means; taking a large upfront cost. And in this case I don't see any gains for me as the Festools I have have been doing just fine for me.

However, when looking for a new battery drill... the Festool prices just seem a bit "out there". And since the battery drills don't integrate into a giant system like the FS, MFT, CT, etc. ... I'm tempted to try something else. But then again I like the 90 degree and excenter chuck. Especially the later seems to be nowhere else to be found...
- John

Offline Coen

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 12:11 PM »
Bosch Flexiclick does the same now, 90 degree angle attachment, offcenter as well for half the cost of the CXS set. I have both.

Nope. Ditching to me means; taking a large upfront cost. And in this case I don't see any gains for me as the Festools I have have been doing just fine for me.

However, when looking for a new battery drill... the Festool prices just seem a bit "out there". And since the battery drills don't integrate into a giant system like the FS, MFT, CT, etc. ... I'm tempted to try something else. But then again I like the 90 degree and excenter chuck. Especially the later seems to be nowhere else to be found...

Half the cost!? Huh? I was looking at T18+3 Set vs competition, not in the CXS / GSR12 range. The Flexiclick system with the 90 degree and excenter chuck seems to always come combined with the SDS chuck, for which I don't care at all. At that point the cost of the Bosch balloons to within 15% of the Festool, but has 24% smaller batteries and comes in an L-Boxx, which I can't stack with anything else. At that point...
However, the Bosch system is also available with an impact driver, in a set with 3 batteries (w/o the chucks) for less than just a Festool T18+3 Plus. And Festool doesn't have an impact driver at all at the moment.

I also wonder how the different brands have their switches. Having worked last week with a Metabo 14.4V (Li) from a few years ago, a new 18V (Li) Dewalt and my ancient Festool BPS 15.6 NiCD (with DIY rebuild battery) I found that only my Festool allowed very slow rotation. The other drills seemed to have a minium rotationspeed of like 120 rpm. My Festool was however... significantly heavier with the slowest top RPM. But unlike the Dewalt... the cilindrical chuck didn't need tightening every half hole.