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Offline promark747

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #90 on: February 27, 2018, 11:25 AM »

but one should not forget that Festool sold their tools in the US for far less than their prices in the rest of the world for years, probably to gain market share.
The prices are becoming more in line, esp. taking into account the cost of the USD in relation to EUR.


Agree with you on the first part, but the USD/EUR exchange rate has decreased substantially over the past several years, which in theory should have benefited people paying in US dollars.

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Offline egmiii

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #91 on: February 27, 2018, 11:28 AM »
For me, as a hobbyist, these tools are a luxury, not a necessity. If they do the job to my satisfaction, at a price that doesn't insult my intelligence (more and more this is happening), then I will continue to purchase new tools.

I was going to purchase the 2018 Midi, but given that it does not support the new Bluetooth module, I have decided to hold off. I can't understand why this functionality was excluded given the redesign, and price increase! If you add the capability a year from now, current buyers will be upset. If you wait 3-7 years for the next redesign, the fence sitters will be upset.

I purchased the module for my CT36. It's a huge feature in my opinion. Why would you handicap half your dust collection lineup? Corporate decisions like this are giving legitimacy to this thread and upsetting brand ambassadors like myself.

Offline JSlovic

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #92 on: February 27, 2018, 12:14 PM »
I have to agree with Eric on some aspects of the annual price increases.
Here's an example- Red Bins for a systainer 498038- they were $15/ a dozen in 2013 they're now $19. 5% annually for 5 years for no apparent reason.

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #93 on: February 27, 2018, 12:35 PM »
Festool has room to grow for sure. Market loss should be a good reason to start improvements. They can start with the guide rail attachments on the MFT/3!

Really the only Festool I wished I hadn't bought is my TS55 REQ, but instead purchased a Mafell saw and their rail system. Typically I run my routers against the backside of the rail so it wouldn't make a difference what brand the rails are for my Festool equipment. Actually my trusty old Festool OF2000 is a Mafell rebranded (Festool did come out the OF2200 which has a lot of improvements).

There are lots of tool brands to choose from today, especially when it comes to cordless tools. No one tool brand makes everything a person needs. Heck I have three types of batteries made by two manufacturers.

I saw Eric in another video using his new Bosch Colt and couldn't help but laugh. Why would anyone go seriously backwards? Not only does the Colt have an issue with the housing dropping, but it does an excellent job of spreading the cuttings everywhere, as shown in his video, and my picture below.

This was one of the last times I used my Bosch Colt, before replacing it with a OF1010. No comparison between the two is even possible.




Offline McNally Family

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #94 on: February 27, 2018, 12:44 PM »
My theory on the annual price increase has much more to do with keeping dealers happy, than anything else.  It takes a good hunk of change to maintain a decent size Festool inventory, and the fact the inventory goes up in value each year, helps justify the investment the dealer has made.  The banks don't pay anywhere near what the ever increasing inventory does....
GREEN: In order of purchase = | CT26  |  RS 2 E | Hose w/ Sleeve 3.5m | 115mm X 226mm Hand Sanding Block | 80mm X 133mm Hand Sanding Block | HSK D21.5 5m hose | CT Boom Arm Bundle Set | 1080 Plate for custom MFT | OF 1400 EQ Router (metric) w/accessories | SYS-Rock BR10 | Cordless Sander RTSC 400 Set |  Cordless Delta Sander DTSC 400 Basic | Linear Sander LS 130 | PDC 18/4 set | CXS  2.6Ah Set | Installer Cleaning Set (2018 version) |  New style Festool hose D 27/32 x 3,5m AS/CT | Replacement Hose Garage | Remote control CT-F I/M-Set | MFH1000 work stool | Next purchase: TBD

RED: // Mafell P1cc  //  MT55cc  // Next purchase: TBD

Offline Svar

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #95 on: February 27, 2018, 12:49 PM »
This was one of the last times I used my Bosch Colt, before replacing it with a OF1010. No comparison between the two is even possible.
Not a fair comparison. Try using OF1010 without dust collection. Bosch does sell DC attachment for Colt.

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #96 on: February 27, 2018, 12:58 PM »
Not a fair comparison. Try using OF1010 without dust collection. Bosch does sell DC attachment for Colt.
Wait until your Bosch Colt drops the bit on a $650 piece of Corian. F$*(#D This is a known issue.

I stand by no comparison. (And yes the housing was tight.)

Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #97 on: February 27, 2018, 01:10 PM »
This was one of the last times I used my Bosch Colt, before replacing it with a OF1010. No comparison between the two is even possible.
Not a fair comparison. Try using OF1010 without dust collection. Bosch does sell DC attachment for Colt.

Not trying to go off topic, but couldn't resist............Dust extraction on my Bosch Colt with my Festool  CT36 is excellent and the 27mm hose fits perfectly.  Now, back to the matter at hand [smile]


Offline Master Carpenter

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #98 on: February 27, 2018, 01:18 PM »
I don't know why people take the annual price increase as a negative. With used Festools often selling for 80% of new value, after a few years of ownership you can sell them for what you paid. Not too many products out there right now like that.

I do understand that Festool needs to maintain the highest level of perceived quality for this to continue to happen. Nobody pays BMW money for a KIA, new or used. I like that my collection increases in value every year.

Festool ABSOLUTELY needs to maintain perfect customer service and deal with any "tool issues" impeccably.
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Offline RustE

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #99 on: February 27, 2018, 01:53 PM »
I don't know why people take the annual price increase as a negative...


Because it is more than my salary goes up some years.  The prices of the tools that I do not own quickly get out of reach.

Very rarely do I sell tools, so resale value is not much of a consideration when buying.  The reason I bought some Festool items was because of features and overall quality.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #100 on: February 27, 2018, 02:59 PM »
I like that my collection increases in value every year.

Festool ABSOLUTELY needs to maintain perfect customer service and deal with any "tool issues" impeccably.

Me, too. That was why I got a bit disappointed when they did not jack up the price for the Kapex this year!

The resale value of a pricey item is always part, though not a very big one, of my purchase consideration, because it somehow reflects the value of the item. When I buy a new car, I like to know how the resale market looks at the different offers, not necessarily that I plan to resell my car any time soon. 
« Last Edit: February 27, 2018, 03:02 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Paddyfin1

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #101 on: March 03, 2018, 03:07 PM »
I won’t ditch my Festool gear, but I am looking at other manufacturers for future tools as I feel that Festool have become lazy in its R&D compared to the likes of metabo that seem to be gunning for everyone with some great products and an R&D department that is actually listening to its customers

Offline Carl Ommert

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #102 on: May 29, 2018, 07:12 PM »
Sorry to hear about your issues. I sent my Rotex 125 in last week as the variable speed stopped working. The sander is not frequently used. I was informed I also needed bearings and everything was going to be $368.00 Canadian dollars plus tax. The conversation I had with my Festool dealer is too long to go into, but they will not repair the variable speed unless they repair everything. I am not at all happy about this. I have spent thousands of dollars on Festool and use it for work.
I could see if the sander had heavy use but it does not. They did get the repair price down to $308.00 plus tax but I am still not impressed with a high end tool failing after such light use.
I have Makita tools that take daily heavy use and never had an issue.

Carl

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #103 on: May 29, 2018, 07:31 PM »
So the repair cost would be about 50% of your purchase cost.

I would not spend that kind of money (in terms of %) on repairs. One of my SUVs (year 2003) still has about a market value of $7000Cdn left. I recently spent $550 Cdn (after a COSTCO cash rebate) on a new set of tires that are expected to outlast its remaining life of another 5 to 8 years. Would I spend $3,500 on it to fix any unexpected single repair? Fat chance. I would use that money towards a new SUV. Often, new SUV discounts of $2,000 to $3,000 are offered in promotions and that means I could save five to six thousand dollars in a new purchase.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2018, 07:42 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Anyone considering ditching Festool tools?
« Reply #104 on: May 30, 2018, 07:38 AM »
So the repair cost would be about 50% of your purchase cost.

I would not spend that kind of money (in terms of %) on repairs. One of my SUVs (year 2003) still has about a market value of $7000Cdn left. I recently spent $550 Cdn (after a COSTCO cash rebate) on a new set of tires that are expected to outlast its remaining life of another 5 to 8 years. Would I spend $3,500 on it to fix any unexpected single repair? Fat chance. I would use that money towards a new SUV. Often, new SUV discounts of $2,000 to $3,000 are offered in promotions and that means I could save five to six thousand dollars in a new purchase.

That, and especially if you don't use the sander that often. Don't even replace it and save the money on a nice diner with the lady  [big grin]
Mario