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Offline leakyroof

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2017, 11:02 AM »
My Bosch 1582 DVS (the first Bosch tool-less blade change jigsaw with dust collection)
is more than thirty years old.
  I have the non-dust collecting version of the Jigsaw, and yes, it's still going strong since the early 90's when it came out.  I bought a Carvex to supplement the Bosch, but I won't give up the Bosch jigsaw.... [smile]

I thought it came out in the '80's but you're probably right.

I have a Trion that I rarely use (the blade guides are a nuisance) so I skipped the Carvex. The Mafell is tempting...
  It was 'back there' somewhere in time..... [embarassed]
 Either way, either decade,,,, those jigsaws still work.... [thumbs up]
Not as many Sanders as PA Floor guy.....

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2017, 11:13 AM »
My Bosch 1582 DVS (the first Bosch tool-less blade change jigsaw with dust collection)
is more than thirty years old.
  I have the non-dust collecting version of the Jigsaw, and yes, it's still going strong since the early 90's when it came out.  I bought a Carvex to supplement the Bosch, but I won't give up the Bosch jigsaw.... [smile]

I thought it came out in the '80's but you're probably right.

I have a Trion that I rarely use (the blade guides are a nuisance) so I skipped the Carvex. The Mafell is tempting...
  It was 'back there' somewhere in time..... [embarassed]
 Either way, either decade,,,, those jigsaws still work.... [thumbs up]

Just cleaned up from using the 1582 in the little table Bosch made to invert the saw and use it like a scroll saw (Rockwell made a complete motorized unit a couple years ago). Sure glad I snagged that thing when I did, they weren't around long.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2017, 04:13 PM »
...
Festool comes out the looser on a tool that dies just after 3 years.

I almost feel sorry for the company reading ˆthisˆ.
The fellow that purchased the tool doesn't seem like he is not coming out a winner?


It’s someone that’ll not only replace that tool with a Bosch, it’s someone that will buy a Mafell track saw or Mirka sander too if they’ve lost confidence in the brand.

Confidence can often be more of scientific or mathematical word. Faith is probably a more accurate word.

In a confidence sense it is difficult to find much fault with the Mirka tools, with them have been doing only sanders for a long time.  However I did see reports of 110v units having problems, so confidence in their electrical tools, based upon their pneumatic tools was initially an extrapolation.

I have seen enough Carvex and Kapex complaints that it seems statistically significant, but without some numbers released it is cannot be quantified by the customer. However it should be enough of a flag to question one's faith in the tools being universally good across the entire line-up...

It is also pretty much a fact that people find being cordless and having an LED is a requirement, so it seems like there is a market.

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2017, 06:56 PM »
Love to see the normal bashers bashing.  Carvex tool failures are rare here.  Tools are smarter than they used to be.  Cutting to the perfection level required or expected are more numerous. 

Peter
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Offline Rip Van Winkle

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2017, 07:23 PM »
Love to see the normal bashers bashing.  Carvex tool failures are rare here.  Tools are smarter than they used to be.  Cutting to the perfection level required or expected are more numerous. 

Peter


Kapex seems to win the Festool tool failure wars, but Carvex and the 5” Random orbit sanders seem to come next from what I’ve seen.

Both the Carvex and smaller cheaper sanders also seem to have a much higher tool repair cost proportional to the cost of the tool than other Festool tools, including the Kapex.

With the small sanders, once you remove the price of the systainer, the cost is much more in line with the cost of other “professional” sanders.

The Carvex is priced significantley higger than most other jigsaws.

Just for Optics or reputational reasons, Festool should just limit the maximum repair price, especially if a tool is still in production and on the shelves. If the repair cost of a tool is more than the new cost, why not just pull a new jigsaw out of a systainer in stock storage, print a label with some type of mark to show to show the switch internally, charge 75% of new cost, for a tool that your repair department can clain has basically been “repaired to brand new condition”, owner gets a jigsaw that should last another 3 years of similar use. I doubt Festool would be loosing money on this and while the repair cost might seem expensive it wouldn’t be higher than new cost.

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2017, 07:26 PM »
How many Carvex tool failures (not possibly operational issues) have been written about here?  Go search.

Peter
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Offline Rip Van Winkle

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2017, 08:17 PM »
How many Carvex tool failures (not possibly operational issues) have been written about here?  Go search.

Peter

I’ve seen a number of threads about Carvex issues since I’ve been a member here, and more from before than.

Just searching thru my history there were at least six different threads, which may not seem like a lot, but I’m not exactley a daily poster on FOG.

Other than the Kapex, most failure complaints about Festool tools seem to be, plugit sucks, vacuum socket dead, dominoe slot not wide enough, router plunge rods rusted, jumpy sander, hookit pad failure, etc.


Offline J0hn

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2017, 08:20 PM »
How many Carvex tool failures (not possibly operational issues) have been written about here?  Go search.

Peter

How many posts have been deleted because someone tried to mention one of the previous Carves failures? 

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2017, 09:13 PM »
How many Carvex tool failures (not possibly operational issues) have been written about here?  Go search.

Peter

How many posts have been deleted because someone tried to mention one of the previous Carves failures?


No posts were deleted because someone tried to mention one of the previous Carvex failures. They were deleted because the one you insist on referring to was a very hot topic with a lot of debate as to whether or not Festool should have warrantied the saw. That topic was locked due to the animosity being created between members taking sides. That particular incident topic will not be resurrected here. The reasons above are why it was locked  and   it is not the same situation as the OP of this topic finds himself in.  I will note that the other topic in question is still available for anyone wishing to go read it.  Nothing being swept under the rug.


Seth
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2017, 09:04 AM »
Love to see the normal bashers bashing.  Carvex tool failures are rare here.  Tools are smarter than they used to be.  Cutting to the perfection level required or expected are more numerous. 

Peter

I am not sure Carvex failures are that rare here.
(I have never heard about the failures anywhere else but on FOG...)
But I have no experience of a failure.

The apologists seem to outnumber the "bashers".

Offline antss

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2017, 09:49 AM »
I think this again illustrates the growing frustration some people have with the brand.

Guys have bought the bosch saw for decades and they last as long.  I'm sure there are some that have grenaded after three years , but that's certainly not the norm.  Isn't the norm for the FT saws either, but............

when your version cost almost double what the benchmark saw costs - people expect it to last twice as long as the warranty.  Or more.  Every single one of them.  Now, that might not be fair , but if yours doesn't last and you can't underwrite something like this on goodwill basis - then the consumer is simply being gouged for a navy and green paint job.

And that will catch up with you.






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Offline john5mt

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2017, 11:08 PM »
The Carvex is still relatively new in the US

So if there are inherent problems with the design (which i believe there are) were going to start hearing more about them. At our local dealer the other day a guy who builds cabinets was in there trying to figure out why his saw was vibrating like crazy. The owner was there talking to him and he had just gotten done dealing with mine so he knew pretty much it was going to be the same story for the cabinet guy too and basically told him dont waste your money sending it in.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2017, 11:32 PM »
The Carvex is still relatively new in the US.

Um...I’ve owned a Carvex for at least 5 years.

Offline john5mt

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2017, 03:06 PM »
The Carvex is still relatively new in the US.

Um...I’ve owned a Carvex for at least 5 years.
Isn't that new in the tool world?

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Offline antss

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2017, 10:30 PM »
Lest not forget the first generation carvex was stillborn and had to be sent back to engineering for fixes before it could be released in earnest.

Perhaps all the bugs werent worked out , or the changes to fix the original issue weakend the saw ?  [unsure]

Offline Cheese

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Re: Carvex Dead
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2017, 11:50 PM »
Isn't that new in the tool world?

I stand corrected...that probably is new in Festool’s tight orbit...however it is 3-4 generations removed in most other instances...