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Offline CK3v1N

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Festool CXS Wobble
« on: February 25, 2017, 02:30 PM »
hi all,

I finally ordered a CXS. Love at first sight. However, the love disappeared after first use. It seems my Centrotec bit holder, or the drill itself has a wobble. It's my first Festool drill, so I filmed the issue, to make sure I am not imagining things.

Is this normal behaviour or should I send the CXS back?






« Last Edit: February 25, 2017, 02:35 PM by CK3v1N »

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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2017, 02:57 PM »
I have no noticeable runout in my CSX using the Jacobs chuck. I do see about the same amount of runout as seen in your video using the Centrotec chuck.
Birdhunter

Offline Max Fracas

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2017, 03:13 PM »
Wobble on my CXS is the same with the Centrotec bit holder.

Offline CK3v1N

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2017, 03:23 PM »
So my CXS has no defect? It doesnt prevent you guys from working properly?

Offline bkharman

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2017, 03:26 PM »
For putting in screws... no. If you have drill bits, it may be a different story.

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Offline CK3v1N

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2017, 03:35 PM »
For the moment I do not own any Centrotec drill bits, but I assume they will wobble as well? If I can not properly drill, then the CXS is not working like he should?

Offline bkharman

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2017, 04:51 PM »
For the moment I do not own any Centrotec drill bits, but I assume they will wobble as well? If I can not properly drill, then the CXS is not working like he should?
You can drill just fine.  That amount of wobble is fine for this device (in my opinion). If you have concerns, take it back or talk to Festool.

You would be drilling things by hand, so preciseness is most likely out the window. If it was a drill press, that amount of wobble might be unacceptable. I have used my CXS for thousands of tasks in the 4 years and haven't had wobble affect me. Never really looked for it to be honest.

Cheers. Bryan.


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Offline CK3v1N

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2017, 04:54 PM »
Hi Bryan, so you do have the same amount of wobble?

Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2017, 05:03 PM »
I think that the Centrotec drill bits are very stable in rotation and does not wobble about much, if any. On my unit they wobble less than the bit holder, why I am not sure. I find the CXS a little low in RPM but apart from that a very nice little drill. :)
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Offline bkharman

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2017, 05:13 PM »
Hi Bryan, so you do have the same amount of wobble?

I haven't checked. I can check later tomorrow if you like, but my point was that the wobble probably won't impact things at that level. If it is bothersome, then take action as I suggested above.

I have a lot of Festools and the CXS is probably one of my most used items.  If not daily, at least 3 times a week!  I have even used it as a hammer when one wasn't in reach. If it broke tomorrow morning, I would have a new one by noon.

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2017, 06:30 PM »
It's hard to tell form a video , but looks to me like the bit holder is bent - rather than there being excessive runout in the nipple that holds the chucks.

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2017, 08:43 PM »
Hi,

checking for run-out with a bit-holder or with a bit in the fast fix connector is not exactly the best idea. Bit-holder, bits and stuff like that are not made to the same standard that high-quality, cylindrical drill bits are or let a lone test-pins.

So if you want to get a proper idea of how much run-out your CXS has, put on the jacobs chuck with a high-quality and straight drill bit or test-pin.

Then again - we're talking about a hand held cordless drill/driver - so as long as the hand you're holding the CXS with doesn't get forced to move along when driving a (straight) screw in or out or using a (straight) drill bit - all is perfectly well.

I'm mentioning this because you won't believe how many crap screws, bits, bit-holders and drill bits exist, even high-quality ones are not always perfectly straight - so you need to sort that out first.

If after that you still think run-out is unacceptable - have it checked by your dealer or Festool.

But again - your CXS looks perfectly fine to me. Put it through some use and decide after that ;)

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Oliver

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2017, 09:00 PM »
Unless I need to operate the CSX in very tight spaces, I always use the Jacobs chuck. I do have a bunch of Festool Centrotecdrill bits. I find them to be excellent both with the Jacobs chuck and the Centrotec holder. I seriously doubt there is anything wrong with your CSX, but checking runout with the Jacobs chuck and a test pin wouldn't hurt.
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Offline DB10

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2017, 11:01 PM »
 My CXS has the same amount of wobble as the Op's, this is noticeable with both centrotec  and Jacobs chucks, I checked out a friends cxs and that was the same, this hasn't effected the day to day use of the drill and is still one of my favourites but I was initially surprised as my PDC has no notable wobble

Offline CK3v1N

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2017, 02:14 AM »
Thx for the answers guys. I tried different bitholders with the same result. Using the Jacobs Chuck seems to improve the situation. I will do some more testing today.

Offline CK3v1N

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Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2017, 04:12 AM »
Just did a test with the Jacobs Chuck. I am no expert in drills but I am afraid the CXS has a defect. The thing is wobbly as heck. Made another video. What do you guys think?

« Last Edit: February 26, 2017, 07:14 AM by CK3v1N »

Offline JD2720

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2017, 06:55 AM »
I do not see a problem. I have never understood people that worry about runout on a hand held drill.

Offline waho6o9

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2017, 08:35 AM »
Wobble is subjective. A dial indicator would be useful.
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The purpose of the Centrotec is to run concentric and I don't think that wobble is too concentric. IMHO.



Offline CK3v1N

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2017, 08:39 AM »

The purpose of the Centrotec is to run concentric and I don't think that wobble is too concentric. IMHO.

Sorry but I dont understand that phrase. Could you elaborate?

The last test was done with the Jacobs Chuck.

Offline RobBob

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2017, 08:58 AM »

The purpose of the Centrotec is to run concentric and I don't think that wobble is too concentric. IMHO.

Sorry but I dont understand that phrase. Could you elaborate?

The last test was done with the Jacobs Chuck.

Looks like you need to re-seat the drill bit in the chuck.  Sometimes that reduces wobble.

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2017, 09:19 AM »
"Sorry but I dont understand that phrase. Could you elaborate?"

It's not spinning true.

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2017, 09:33 AM »
   I see some wobble more or less depending on the bit. I have seen this in my C12s at times. And not at other times. Again depending on the bit. I tend to "see" it more if I look at a twist drill but I think some of that is the optical illusion of the twist. The couple times I did notice wobble that I thought was bad enough to be something wrong it quickly became apparent that it was the bit. They are different drills and I don't have a CXS. In general I would say that my C12s run very true.

    Do you have another drill that you could try a couple bits in just to use as a visual comparison?

    I see that you said you ordered it so I am guessing that the dealer is not a place you could go to compare it to other CXS?

   Also if you feel it is not acceptable you have the 30 days.


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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2017, 10:14 AM »
I have the CXS and it works as well as any drill that I've used . I have the PDC and it seems to run super smooth, then I did notice with the largest forstner bit I have which is 35mm that it seem to have a slight wobble, but I didn't notice it having any influence on th precision of the hole either being offcenter or actual size. I've only drilled small to 3mm to 6mm holes with the CXS with no problems. Visually at I can say it could seem to wobble, but my eyes could be fooled one way the other. Performance wise it does what it needs to do. I'm sure a super beefy chuck on a heavy drill press is more stable than any handheld drill could every be.
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Offline Alex

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2017, 11:11 AM »
The centrotec system as a whole has a tiny bit of wobble, after all it is a quick change system and the bits are not thoroughly clamped as in a Jacobs chuck. To make insertion and removal of the bits easy, there has to be a minute amount of play.

In my opinion, the wobble has no influence what so ever on the quality of work, whether you're drilling or driving.

Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2017, 11:30 AM »
The centrotec system as a whole has a tiny bit of wobble, after all it is a quick change system and the bits are not thoroughly clamped as in a Jacobs chuck. To make insertion and removal of the bits easy, there has to be a minute amount of play.

In my opinion, the wobble has no influence what so ever on the quality of work, whether you're drilling or driving.

I should add that i only use centrotec bits etc. in my festool drills. So yes the wobble could be in part be caused by the centrotec system. The Op shows the wobble with the Jacobs chuck though.
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Offline amt

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2017, 11:55 AM »
That is too much wobble for the drill chuck. I would return it.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2017, 01:31 PM »
I checked my CXS and it doesn't wobble that much, however, I think the wobble is because the drill bit is not straight.

Substitute some other drill bits and see if they wobble less. Or try chucking up a small steel dowel pin in the Jacobs chuck and see how that compares.

Try fully opening the jaws on the chuck and cleaning it with a blast or 2 of compressed air, then reinserting the drill bit and check the wobble again.

Offline Getmaverick

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2017, 07:31 PM »
I checked mine also today and don't see any noticeable wobble.

Offline RKA

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2017, 08:55 PM »
In addition to what cheese said, don't seat the bit all the way into the chuck.  Back it out 1/8".  I doubt it will address it, but it only takes a second to try.
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Offline CK3v1N

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Re: Festool CXS Wobble
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2017, 01:20 AM »
I did some more testing and could not get a straight result. I am sending this one back and am ordering a new one.