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Online DiscoStu

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Festool Failure
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:08 AM »
I've only bought a couple of Festool tools to date. So far I've bought the Domino 500 and the TS55 both with some of the accessories.

However today I have to say I've had a catastrophic failure. As much as I really like the brand and the tools I cannot believe how bad the quality is of materials used that was the cause of today's failure.

Whilst putting the domino away I noticed my "Festool Fan" sticker and thought it was about time I stuck it up. I have a shelf with my battery tools on it and a MDF edge that would be perfect for the sticker. So up it went and it looked good. Within 30 minutes it had peeled off!

Poor quality from Festool and not what I expect! :-)

Probably user error for keeping it for 9 months before using it, maybe it was past its best before date?

Although I suspect the real reason was that it was on a shelf containing Ryobi tools and it didn't want to be associated with them!

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Offline jmac80

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2015, 11:33 AM »
 ;D ;D

This is the kinda post i like!
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Online DiscoStu

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2015, 12:07 PM »
I wonder if it's covered under the 3 yr warranty?

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2015, 12:26 PM »
Actually your sticker is working as designed. We've spent years and invested millions into developing proprietary, cutting edge technology that causes our stickers to fall off when within 5 feet of non-Festool tools. (I can't reveal how it works, it requires that they're manufactured on the island from "Lost".) Consider yourself warned.  [big grin]

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2015, 02:06 PM »
I'll bet that you peeled off the backing without looking at the back of the sticker where there's an eject function.  If it's near crappy tools and you're there when it happens, you'll hear a subtle "Patooo!!!" just before it falls to the floor. 

 [big grin]
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Offline Edward A Reno III

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2015, 02:12 PM »
I'll take it as an endorsement that my Festool Fan sticker has stayed on my Milwaukee jobsite radio for 3 months and counting at this point.
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Offline Alex

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2015, 02:36 PM »
This is a disgrace, I'll never buy Festool again.  [mad]

Offline irishman

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2015, 02:46 PM »
Actually your sticker is working as designed. We've spent years and invested millions into developing proprietary, cutting edge technology that causes our stickers to fall off when within 5 feet of non-Festool tools. (I can't reveal how it works, it requires that they're manufactured on the island from "Lost".) Consider yourself warned.  [big grin]

Dang, I wondered why my festool sticker peeled off the $100 domino I bought from a guy on ebay...  Now that I think of it, it was more of a slot cutter...makes sense why it only accepted biscuits and not dominos...come to think of it that green color never did seem right...  I just thought some guy named Ryobi put his name on it at the factory...

Offline estley

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2015, 03:30 PM »
was the sticker metric or imperial? depending on the size of the shelf, it can be an issue.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2015, 04:02 PM »
 I wonder if can I use my mafel or makita stickers on my festool systainers?
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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2015, 04:06 PM »
@jobsworth  I don't have authorization to reveal what will happen if you do, but I'll just warn you to wear protective eyewear and fireproof gloves. Also, increase your life insurance policy beforehand.

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2015, 04:14 PM »
Also when I set up my sticker it never comes out square.
Where the Heck Is My Pro 5 Sander At?

Offline Kev

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2015, 04:16 PM »
There's a special tool Festool have designed for fitting the fan sticker to the edge of shelves. It's called the Conturo. When you use it the sticker melts and makes a real mess - but you do then have a Conturo [wink]

Offline waho6o9

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2015, 04:16 PM »
It's covered under warranty. no worries.

Offline Kev

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2015, 04:18 PM »
Also when I set up my sticker it never comes out square.

You need to get the Woodpeckers One Time Tool ... The StickerPecker ... Pefectly square stickers every time - comes with 20 different shim sets for different size stickers.

(All shims are imperial)

@jobsworth

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2015, 04:23 PM »
I saw that but $559 for a stickpecker is very expensive. I can get one from Woodcraft or Veritas for only $229 that does the same thing
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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2015, 04:31 PM »
I wonder if can I use my mafel or makita stickers on my festool systainers?

I'm pretty sure the use of any third party accessories voids the Festool warranty. 

@TylerC Am I correct on this?

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Offline Brent Taylor

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2015, 05:03 PM »
Probably the same adhesive that they use to stick the label to the systainers. Or am I the only one who has the auto peel stickers.

Online DiscoStu

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2015, 06:02 PM »
So I'm still not sure if it's covered under warranty. I really would like a replacement!

Offline ewils91

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2015, 06:12 PM »
My Harbor Freight Sticker is still going strong, I'm using to hold the fence on my Harbor Freight Sliding Compound Miter Saw.

Online DiscoStu

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2015, 06:23 PM »
Some people just have all the luck!

Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2015, 08:26 PM »
Also when I set up my sticker it never comes out square.

Easily solved.

Purchase a rail level and sticker placement template accesory.  Comes in systainer with extra sticker.


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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2015, 11:53 PM »
Actually this is not covered under warranty.  Only items with a serial number are covered under warranty.
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Offline jbasen

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2015, 12:46 AM »
Probably the same adhesive that they use to stick the label to the systainers. Or am I the only one who has the auto peel stickers.

It's a feature. The adhesive on the sticker is timed so it falls off when you should replace your old tool with the latest model.   You can then repurpose the systainer for something else without the hassle of having to peel the label yourself.

Offline Gwerner

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2015, 02:07 AM »
That's crazy to hear, I recently tried to scrape off a Festool sticker from my tool box and it immediately dulled the razor blade. I tried sanding it off but as soon as the paper touched the sticker, all the granules fell off. Put a torch to it and the flame snuffed out right away. Finally just beat on the tool box with a hammer and the darn thing fixed itself like Christine from the Stephen King novel....

 True story [cool] [tongue]

Offline Kev

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2015, 02:18 AM »
That's crazy to hear, I recently tried to scrape off a Festool sticker from my tool box and it immediately dulled the razor blade. I tried sanding it off but as soon as the paper touched the sticker, all the granules fell off. Put a torch to it and the flame snuffed out right away. Finally just beat on the tool box with a hammer and the darn thing fixed itself like Christine from the Stephen King novel....

 True story [cool] [tongue]

@Gwerner

Send me some of what you're taking please ... mark the parcel "emergency medical supplies" [wink]

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2015, 02:36 AM »
I think I have a solution, to getting the sticker on level without spending all tha cash on a stickerpecker. I'll use my CT wing and a laser with my 4 ft stabilization level...
I might be able to get the sticker level that way, but will it stick

Great Idea about the conturo Kev. I'll seek it to the wife,

"Honny I need to spend the $3K for this tool so I can get these cool sticker to stick to these plastic boxes and to get it level ?"
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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2015, 02:49 AM »
"Honny I need to spend the $3K for this tool so I can get these cool sticker to stick to these plastic boxes and to get it level ?"

@jobsworth

Tell us the truth now .. is that really any less plausible than all of your other Festool purchasing excuses? [big grin]


 

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2015, 03:51 AM »
Well my brother from another mother...

If Mama buys it then I'm good [wink]
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Offline gippy

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2015, 04:36 AM »
The corner of my sticker came slightly unpeeled. The cat saw the opportunity, ripped it off and tore it to shreds. I'm still pretty gutted and not sure if I'll buy Festool again.

Online DiscoStu

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2015, 04:45 AM »
Well I'm going to try turning it off and on again later and see if that fixes it.

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Offline Kev

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2015, 04:45 AM »
The corner of my sticker came slightly unpeeled. The cat saw the opportunity, ripped it off and tore it to shreds. I'm still pretty gutted and not sure if I'll buy Festool again.

I could teach you how to make your cat go "woof", but the cat lovers here would probably complain [wink]

Offline VW MICK

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2015, 05:09 AM »
Also when I set up my sticker it never comes out square.

You need to get the Woodpeckers One Time Tool ... The StickerPecker ... Pefectly square stickers every time - comes with 20 different shim sets for different size stickers.

(All shims are imperial)

@jobsworth

Ha kev you beat me too it

But I was going to go with the " stickerpecker pro"

But to be sensible (I know unlike me )

To answer the op,s question it is normally very difficult to stick any thing self adhesive to raw M.D.F as its a very dusty surface especially on the edges

We have problems with masking tape. Protection tape .sometimes self adhesive Velcro (we had to staple it as well to make it stay put)

A coat of sealer first would help

Then you could salvage the sticker with some spray adhesive

P.s can't believe my longest post in about a year is about a festool fan sticker lol
Maybe that says a lot


Offline fuzzy logic

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2015, 06:32 AM »
Oh no - not another 'let's slag off' Festool thread! 

Believe many of the points made are covered in the:
"Sticky Label Supplementary Manual" written by you know who. 
Seem to remember there are three versions of these labels:
Concave, Convex and Flat. 
Also mentioned, I'm sure, are such important parameters as
ambient temperature / humidity; and, the importance of
acclimatisation - not sure nine months is enough. 

Would also suggest need to gain lots of experience of the appropriate
techniques needed with the different labels. 

Richard (UK)
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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2015, 08:28 AM »
@DiscoStu Message me w/ your address, and I'll get you some new stickers.

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2015, 06:13 PM »
Message sent! Fantastic thanks

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2015, 06:55 AM »
They should use the same adhesive on this as the one used on the stickers they slap on your systainer when it comes back after being serviced. Those are impossible to remove and leave all the glue on the systainer, cleaning it of with solvent makes the green paint dissolve and melts the ABS :(

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Offline charley1968

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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2015, 06:42 AM »
Jeeeesus, you guys call yourself carpenters? Now here's how i fix my stickers.
I take my Paslode nail gun , in with some 90mm nails : 2 into the upper left corner of the sticker, 2 into upper right and Bob' s your uncle..
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Re: Festool Failure
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2017, 01:28 PM »
Message sent! Fantastic thanks

I think the post must be really slow these days.

Since this time I've bought quite a lot of Festool tools and I've only ever had one sticker.


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