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Offline benwheeler

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2014, 05:09 AM »
Thanks Tom from me too. After reading this thread I checked my new TS 55 and discovered it is about 0.5 degrees out.  I look forward to fixing this as soon as I locate my Torx bits!

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Offline Tinker

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2014, 08:00 AM »
I had adjusted mine by trial & error method. It is close enough that I cannot see any problem when ripping and butting a couple of 1/2" pieces. I do see a very slight difference when butting a couple of 5/4 or 6/4 pieces together.  I have to flip one piece to make my cut if i want a flat result and matching grain patterns, even with 3/4" when it is close enough I cannot see the difference without my reading glasses. 

Thanks, Tom, for the explanation of how to set.  I will be trying that when I get into shop later today. Is it the same for the old ATF 55.  I have always tightened that at the front first and had a devil of a time keeping it square.  I had to recheck nearly every time i used the saw. Now that i have the REQ, it is a real pleasure to use.  I still keep the ATF to use outdoors when i cut down sheet lumber or rough cut to length dimension lumber to bring down into the shop where i do the precision cutting.

As i type right now, i am recalling that one responder mentioned the saw rocking on the guide rail after adjustment.  I have had that problem with my ATF for a long time.  I just laid that problem to the discovery that Newton was correct in his determination of the cause for falling ATF's, or some such hard goods.
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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2014, 09:26 AM »
My TS 55 REQ rocked right out of the box after the recall return. I put it on a flat granite slab and it rocked slightly.

I loosened the bevel locks. It relaxed and was then flat. Somehow, it had gotten in a bind during return shipping.


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Offline Rnd2it

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2015, 11:50 PM »
Thank goodness I found this.  I was very frustrated with the performance of the saw and mystified that quality control does not carefully check stops, particularly when there was no documentation on owner adjustment (certainly at $600 + per saw it SHOULD be done).  My saw was more than a degree out of perpendicular and always having to correct it was tedious.  It is somewhat tricky to get the stop adjusted, there is no way to easily and precisely move the steel plate.  Seems like the older saw with screws would be much easier to adjust.  I appreciate the photos.  Thanks.

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2015, 07:46 AM »
I have been working sporadically on a trestle table thru this winter.  The top and bottom sections of the legs are 5/4 Walnut glued together with mortice cut in center for the leg tendons t go thru.  I have worked on several other smaller projects in between and since i found out about the proper sequence to adjusting the bevel on the TS 55, the saw has stayed perfectly square so far all winter.  In the past, I was checking and readjusting almost everytime i used the saw where ever two edges had to match perfectly.
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Offline eddomak

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2015, 09:46 PM »
For the first time in a long time I cut something thicker than 20mm, (closer to 45mm) and noticed that my blade was significantly off square from the stops, and from from the markings. It needed to be set at around 1 degree on the marking scale in order to cut square.

I sent it in for a warranty adjustment and got it back in 2 working days. Now it has been set to be accurate to the marking scale, but when it is against the stops it is still a little off.

I've been monitoring this thread (and the related ones) for a while but can't recall - can the physical stops be set in relation to the marking scale so that all 3 (blade, scale, stop) are aligned?




Offline grbmds

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2015, 08:04 AM »
My understanding is that the scale cannot be adjusted. I think the best you can do is to set the stops so they are exactly at 90 degrees through test cuts and then note where the marker is on the scale for reference. The pointer on my scale just happened to be right on the 0 mark when I got the stops set at 90 degrees. I have heard that is not always true.
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Offline clutzer

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2015, 02:41 PM »
I spent about an hour tuning my saw in today, but I feel like it wasn't time particularly well spent.  After all is said and done, I feel like I got the stop to within 0.25 degrees of 0, but the deflection in the entire saw itself has to be 1-2 degrees.

It seems like you have to dial the saw in every time you change the bevel if you want real accuracy.

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2015, 03:11 PM »
I spent about an hour tuning my saw in today, but I feel like it wasn't time particularly well spent.  After all is said and done, I feel like I got the stop to within 0.25 degrees of 0, but the deflection in the entire saw itself has to be 1-2 degrees.

It seems like you have to dial the saw in every time you change the bevel if you want real accuracy.

So far, that hasn't been my experience. Did you change bevel stop in back? My biggest problem with zero degree setting was that there is no real instruction in the TS55REQ manual (unless there is a new one I haven't downloaded) concerning setting the stop. Also, based on quite a bit of feedback from owners and my own experience, it's clear to me that you must secure the back bevel knob first and, when tightening the front knob, leave your hands off the saw completely; just tighten it. Putting even light weight on the saw tends to move the front out of alignment from zero degrees. So, once the bevel stop in back is set and you are sure the saw cuts a true 90 degrees, the procedure for returning to that is tighten the back knob first, remove your hands from the saw, then tighten the front knob. It should be easier and less touchy than that, but it isn't. The previous version of the saw seems to have addressed the adjustment of the stop better and in a more straightforward way. The REQ's adjustment is difficult to get perfect and needlessly finicky; not really an improvement over the original.
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Offline clutzer

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2015, 09:20 PM »
It should be easier and less touchy than that, but it isn't.
I think we're on the same page--I can let the saw rest against the stop, tighten the back, then the front and I'm square, it's just if you touch the saw while tightening it can deflect.  I almost wish there were set screws in the base itself that allowed a rock solid return to zero--I really don't personally care about -1 degree.  But then I'm a noob and I don't know what I don't know.
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Offline grbmds

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2015, 10:54 PM »
It should be easier and less touchy than that, but it isn't.
I think we're on the same page--I can let the saw rest against the stop, tighten the back, then the front and I'm square, it's just if you touch the saw while tightening it can deflect.  I almost which there were set screws in the base itself that allowed a rock solid return to zero--I really don't personally care about -1 degree.  But then I'm a noob and I don't know what I don't know.

Well, the set screw method was used on the previous model but, for some reason, this new setup was thought of as an improvement. I have not found anyone at Festool to give me a reason why this was changed. The setscrew method seems very straightforward and easy for the tool owner.
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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2015, 08:17 PM »
Because of the painstaking process of getting a perfect 90 degree cut on my saws, if I needed to cut a bevel, I think I would buy another saw just for that or simply turn the job down.   Thankfully I never seem to need cut anything with a bevel.

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2015, 08:29 PM »

Because of the painstaking process of getting a perfect 90 degree cut on my saws, if I needed to cut a bevel, I think I would buy another saw just for that or simply turn the job down.   Thankfully I never seem to need cut anything with a bevel.

Do you really find it that hard to set the saw for accurate bevels and perpendicular?  I am NOT making fun of you, just asking a question.

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2015, 08:54 PM »
The maybe 3 or 4  times that I can remember, holding the saw at 45 deg. and plunging and pushing was a really uncomfortable experience.  Then, when set back to 90, I learned the hard way that it wasn't quite that simple.   It required a trial and many errors effort to get a true 90 deg. cut.   This was the same with the atf55 and the ts55.   When I say 90 degrees, I don't mean 89.6 or 89.9.  I need 90 degrees absolute, like you get with a pressure beam saw or cnc nesting router.    Thankfully, in my line of work, the need for cutting bevels is rarely needed, but a true 90 is very important.

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2015, 09:12 PM »
That you for that.  I might suggest that you look at the parallel guide (not parallel guides).  You can use that in many ways including like a canoe outrigger if you are beveling on a rail.  Really pretty cool and eliminates any wobbles.

Offline sheperd80

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2016, 10:01 AM »
Sorry to drag up this old thread but im confused by this. On my TS55 REQ the only thing stopping the saw at 0° is a small set screw on the spring loaded -1° lever. When tiliting the saw, that screw touches the base, stopping you at 0°. The -1° lever (and the set screw on it) swings out of the way to allow you to go beyond 0°. My saw was cutting out of square when i got it, i turned that screw a few times and now it cuts square as long as i set the knobs carefully.


If youre moving the bevel adjustment bracket as described earlier in this thread, are you eliminating the -1° bevel option? Not that i find that option particularly useful. But it would seem that the bracket is not intended to stop you at 0° because it has to allow you to swing past that to -1°.

If anyone could clarify this for me id apprecite it, thanks.

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Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2016, 10:23 AM »
The setscrew on the lever is the front bevel stop, the first version of the TS55R did not have this lever.

The rear bevel stop (of which the adjustment is described earlier in this thread), should stop the saw at 0°, unless the green round button is pulled outwards to override the stop to bevel to -1°

Offline sheperd80

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2016, 12:44 PM »
I see. I guess i thought the green knob at rear was just to allow the saw to tilt in the other direction, beyond 45. So if i make this adjustment im not relying on that little set screw for squareness? Thanks for clarifying, that makes much more sense.

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Offline Kwolsen

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2018, 04:34 PM »
Realize this thread is pretty old. TS55Req with similar issue. Trying to cut piece of 1-1/4” thick MDF glue up, trim one edge that is 8” long. Won’t cut 90degree.  I’ve tried Tom’s suggestion moving adjustment both up and down to no avail. I have the 1800 rail on an MFT3 and the rail is supported with two scrap pieces of MDF that is the same thickness as the piece I’m trying to cut.  Im not clamping the rail, nor do I think it would help. I’m tightening the rear bevel adjustment first, then the front as others have reported.  (They have to be loosened to get to the Torx). I’ve stood to the left and right of the rail during the cut, doesn’t make a difference, still won’t cut thru the 1-1/4 at perfect 90.  Right after I adjust the rear points by partially loosening the two Torx screws, I check with a framing square with blade at 37mm depth and looks spot on 90, though my framing square is not ultra expensive/high quality. Had the TS for 1.5 years so guess I’ll call Festool. Pretty frustrating. Any suggestions?

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2018, 10:12 PM »
After talking with Festool Service and getting some responses on the FOG (back when I first noticed the saw was slightly off 90 degrees), I did some experimentation.  I found that when setting the bevel scales in back, then front, the saw is very sensitive to any stress being placed on the saw's frame while tightening the adjustments. Therefore, even after setting the stops to exactly 90, I found that I could accidentally force the saw out of alignment when setting the front and rear bevel scales. I thought Festool had redesigned the saw with a different method of setting stops since I bough mine, but maybe not. I have not had any problems since I reset the stops and then watched how held the saw when tightening the bevel scales adjustments when going back to 90 from another angle.
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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2018, 01:47 PM »
I would be curious to know if the current TS55 REQ still has these bevel issues.  Right now I have my old ATF55e and while I do love this saw, it is definitely a pain to get set up either square or 45.  Which is mostly because the scale is very crude and lacks precision.  I pretty much only set it up using a 90 or 45 square - which is super hard to do since the blade cannot be locked in place while extended.

Anyway, I'm considering upgrading to the TS and just want to know it will give me a better and easier experience.  Also wondering if the TS is due for a product improvement update any time soon.
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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2018, 05:48 PM »
A good trick is to lay the TS on the right hand side of the case (the one with the hole to access the blade screw through) when changing the angle: the base weights near nothing so it's easy to adjust without putting stress on the hinge - while the case with the motor attached is heavy, center of gravity is outside the base plate when set to != 90° so it'll pull from the alignment you try to reach.

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2018, 06:04 PM »
I would be curious to know if the current TS55 REQ still has these bevel issues.  Right now I have my old ATF55e and while I do love this saw, it is definitely a pain to get set up either square or 45.  Which is mostly because the scale is very crude and lacks precision.  I pretty much only set it up using a 90 or 45 square - which is super hard to do since the blade cannot be locked in place while extended.

Anyway, I'm considering upgrading to the TS and just want to know it will give me a better and easier experience.  Also wondering if the TS is due for a product improvement update any time soon.

Festool is very close lipped about their marketing and new products in the pipeline.  If you are needing the TS75 then don't wait.

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2018, 08:05 AM »
@Welshdog  Festool did an update around two years ago where they added a positive stop to the front of the saw, which has taken care of the 90/0 degree problem (provided you are able to confirm that the saw cuts 90 out of the box, or do the adjustment yourself, which is now quite simple to do).  It was actually kind of funny how it all went down -- there was a lot of flack on the FOG about the issue, and I remember myself talking to Festool service raising the problem, which they steadfastly denied was even an issue.  But sure enough, one day they announced that henceforth all TS55 models would now be sold with a positive zero stop.

The 45 degree cut can still be a challenge, as it doesn't lock in the front at 45, since they need to allow for the 47 setting.  When I need to have 45 degree cuts on the money (not 45.2 or 44.8), I make sure to do test cuts before hand in scrap to confirm that I have the angle correct, and adjust accordingly.

I would be curious to know if the current TS55 REQ still has these bevel issues.  Right now I have my old ATF55e and while I do love this saw, it is definitely a pain to get set up either square or 45.  Which is mostly because the scale is very crude and lacks precision.  I pretty much only set it up using a 90 or 45 square - which is super hard to do since the blade cannot be locked in place while extended.

Anyway, I'm considering upgrading to the TS and just want to know it will give me a better and easier experience.  Also wondering if the TS is due for a product improvement update any time soon.
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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2018, 09:34 PM »
Thanks for all the good info everyone.
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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2018, 01:56 AM »
So, I'm glad I found this thread because my saw was twisting because I was tightening the front first and and my scale and pointer were off and I wasn't cutting 90 degrees.

I put the track on flat melamine board and took the blade cover off the side of the saw. Then I plopped the saw on the track and used a 3" machinist's square to check square and it was off a bit. I loosed the front and back and adjusted the back stop per Tom's instruction and photos. Once I got that reset to 90 degrees, I tightened up the back end, then I put the front indicator on zero and tightened the front knob too. After that I adjusted the front -1 stop screw until it just kissed the base.

I checked it, ran it back and forth a few times, checked it again and was satisfied it square. I put the side cover back on and that's it.