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Offline gregLB

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Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« on: May 13, 2014, 05:57 PM »
I finally took the plunge and purchased a TS 55 REQ and MFT/3 this past weekend to help fulfill my ambitions as a woodworker.

After getting everything setup yesterday I made some test cuts only to find the blade is not perpendicular to the sole plate when set at the 0 degree stop. It is off my a very noticeable amount. Does anybody have information on how to adjust this? I am very technically savvy, but would prefer to at least have something to reference before I start turning fasteners.

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I am bit frustrated with Festool right now. I had planned on starting a cabinet project yesterday, but it now looks like I am in for a second day of delay. Having spent $600+ on the saw alone, I expect it to be at least reasonable setup out of the box. I understand that getting a new tool fully dialed in is a process, but the complete lack of information on how to accomplish the bevel stop adjustment makes it absolutely necessary that Festool have this correctly adjusted out of the box. Based on the number of threads on this topic it seems that this is a fairly common problem. May I suggest Festool create a supplemental manual or YouTube video on how to make this adjustment?
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« Last Edit: May 14, 2014, 12:58 PM by gregLB »

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2014, 06:09 PM »
You can find the supplemental manual Here
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Offline gregLB

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2014, 06:25 PM »
Thanks, but page 11 of that supplemental manual only applies to the TS55 EQ, not the REQ.  None of the fasteners showing seem to be for adjusting the bevel stop.

Here are a few images of my saw. The adjusters that were on the EQ are no longer there.


Offline GarryMartin

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2014, 06:31 PM »
There's a supplemental manual for the TS55REQ too.

http://www.waterfront-woods.com/festool/

Offline gregLB

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2014, 06:36 PM »
Thanks for the link. Unfortunately the REQ supplemental manual doesn't mention anything about bevel stop adjustment.

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2014, 06:38 PM »
Email sent. Couldn't find your phone number. Call or email me back and I'll try to help you out. Sorry that you didn't get a call back from service today.

Shane

Offline Worm Drive

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2014, 10:14 PM »
My 55 has the same issues. There isn't an adjustment to correct the problem. It has been mentioned on this site before and seems to be a common issue. My bevel scale is right on the money so, I just use it to adjust for 0 & 45 degs.

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2014, 10:37 PM »
If you are having issues with your saw, it's under warranty. We pay shipping to and from the repair center the first year. So, please take advantage of it if needed.

Offline Julian Tracy

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2014, 12:09 AM »
There's no adjustment - the REQ I had, the scale was off by a good degree at least.  who'd have figured it'd be worse than the EQ?

Sent it in for the  recall refund and kept the EQ - exactly because of that reason.

JT

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2014, 04:41 AM »


Thinking of this post today as I squared the edge of a counter top with T55 REQ and rail.

Yes the stop did not equal zero, so I adjusted the saw to the scale not the stop. Difference is 1/2 degree.

Edge is now perfect 90 degrees, as cross checked by two different squares.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2014, 04:43 AM by Untidy Shop »
If you don't like Signatures, just go to Look and Layout and tick No Signatures.

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Offline grbmds

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2014, 08:16 AM »
I have sent my saw back for exactly the same problem and will see what the result is. On mine, though, neither the scale nor the stop was correct. At zero, it was one or more degrees off of square. Service recommended I send it back so they could do but also said it should have been done during the recall. There is no way to easily set the stops on the 55REQ, although Service will provide you verbal instruction on how. I will wait to evaluate the whole thing once I get it back and see what the result of their work was, both long and short-term; namely whether it is square when I get it back and then, whether it stays that way under normal use.
Randy

Offline gregLB

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2014, 12:56 PM »
Quick update. Shane at Festool went beyond the call of duty by walking me through this at 9pm his time last night. Bevel stop is now properly adjusted I am now a happy Festool owner!


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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2014, 05:51 PM »
Quick update. Shane at Festool went beyond the call of duty by walking me through this at 9pm his time last night. Bevel stop is now properly adjusted I am now a happy Festool owner!



 [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up]  Ran out of thumbs.

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Offline galwaydude18

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2014, 06:44 PM »
gregLB what is the procedure to adjust it?

Offline Worm Drive

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2014, 08:52 PM »
Yes, please share.

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2014, 08:03 AM »
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If you don't like Signatures, just go to Look and Layout and tick No Signatures.

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Offline grbmds

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2014, 08:11 AM »
Maybe the step by step process to re-align the stops should be included in the Supplemental User Manual for the TS%% REQ (since there is no basic User Manual). If it can be done via verbal instructions on the phone, it shouldn't be that hard to put it in writing with some pictures. That would be great!
Randy

Offline mprzybylski

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2014, 01:22 PM »
I sold my TS55EQ and purchased the REQ recently. My first use of it finally today and I saw the same issue. I compensated for it so that I can start my work today by adjusting the angle manually but it doesn't match up with the readout. While this allows me to use the saw today I'm concerned by it and will be giving Festool a call on Monday.

Offline grbmds

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2014, 07:56 PM »
I sold my TS55EQ and purchased the REQ recently. My first use of it finally today and I saw the same issue. I compensated for it so that I can start my work today by adjusting the angle manually but it doesn't match up with the readout. While this allows me to use the saw today I'm concerned by it and will be giving Festool a call on Monday.

It obviously can be adjusted. I chose to send mine back to Festool to do it based on the recommendation from the service rep I talked to. However, Shane apparently walked someone else through it on the phone after my call to Service, which indicates to me it's not that difficult to do on your own despite what Service says. I'm supposed to get mine back on Tuesday. Hopefully that will resolve the problem.
Randy

Offline mprzybylski

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2014, 10:27 AM »
Please do let me know how your saw comes back. I'd be interested to see if they fixed the problem as I've read some threads where someone sent it back twice and it didn't get fixed :/

Offline Len Kuffert

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2014, 12:31 PM »
Having the same problem here. It's as if the -1 degree setting is the default. If I were doing a 180 sided piece, I could leave it set as is, flipping each component as I cut, and all would come out right, full circle.  [wink]

When I want a square cut, it's not so easy. Why no adjustment possibilities for the REQ?  [mad]

Len
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Offline grbmds

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2014, 02:41 PM »
Please do let me know how your saw comes back. I'd be interested to see if they fixed the problem as I've read some threads where someone sent it back twice and it didn't get fixed :/

I got the saw back. At first I thought I still had the same problem. After talking to Service for direction on adjusting the stop and starting to adjust it myself, I found that the stop was as close as it could get to 90 degrees. For me, the problem resulted from securing the front bevel lock knob first rather than the rear lock knob. When I secured the rear knob first I didn't have angle or 90 degree cut problems. The stop was dead-on no matter what method I used to determine if it was a square cut.

When I secured the front bevel lock knob first, I tended to put some stress on the saw via the handle, thus slightly deforming the base of the saw. This slight pressure and bending of the base (or possibly the "sub-base") resulted in securing the saw slightly off of the intended position or, in the case of the default stop, off of 90 degrees enough to make a noticeable difference. Since the bevel stop and mechanism is essentially in the rear, securing the rear knob first eliminated the possibility I would put any stress on the saw itself while locking it down in position with the knobs. Then, just securing the front knob last without touching the saw kept it in position.

This seems to have eliminated my problem. Hope it eliminates yours. If not, I feel sending it back to Service to permit them to reset the default stop was not a bad thing since it gave me peace of mind at this point. I will leave it to Service to provide direction on the steps to set the stop, but it isn't hard. It invokes loosening the stop plate in the rear (two screws) and slightly moving it to fix the problem if it really exists). One thing you will need is a torx head driver (T25 I think) long enough to reach a recessed screw securing the stop plate.

I will keep watch on my cuts for awhile to be sure things don't change but, for now, I'm satisfied.

Oh, by the way, Shane and Service were very patient with me and provided what I needed.
Randy

Offline mprzybylski

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2014, 02:47 PM »
Thanks for the update.  I called service the other day myself and they told me the same thing about loosening the two torx screws to adjust it but I haven't had a chance to do it yet.  I did notice the same thing as you, if I tighten the rear knob first and then the front knob then I don't have a "rocking" problem on my rail.  Kind of odd how this all works but that fixed that issue for me.

Where in IL are you by the way?

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2014, 06:56 PM »
I just had to figure this out...

There are two T25 torx screws holding a bracket at the back pivot.

There's one here:

106578-0


and one here:

106580-1


Once they are slightly lose, using a wide blade screwdriver, the bracket can be fine-tuned. Put the screwdriver spanning the slots in the casting and the bracket and twist to adjust. Leaving the screws snug to hold the bracket's position makes it easier to then retighten the screws.

106582-2



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Offline galwaydude18

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2014, 07:41 PM »
Thanks Tom!! Finally am answer on to adjust our saws  [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

Offline grbmds

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2014, 11:57 PM »
That's it. I feel stupid that I didn't think to tilt the saw to get at the second screw when my torx bit didn't go all the way in. Fortunately it stopped me from doing it when I think I really didn't have to make the adjustment.
Randy

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2014, 11:05 PM »
I just had to figure this out...

There are two T25 torx screws holding a bracket at the back pivot.

There's one here:

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and one here:

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Once they are slightly lose, using a wide blade screwdriver, the bracket can be fine-tuned. Put the screwdriver spanning the slots in the casting and the bracket and twist to adjust. Leaving the screws snug to hold the bracket's position makes it easier to then retighten the screws.

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Tom

My brand new req had the same issue. I was going to call festool but now I dont have to. Thanks Tom!

Mike

Offline grbmds

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2014, 11:31 PM »
Although I did further testing with my saw and found the cut to be only off square by less than a hair, I tried to adjust and believe I got it even closer. It is very hard to get it exact though. A third hand would be a big help. The big discovery for me was still that tightening the back bevel lock knob first locks the saw in at the true default. If you lock the front knob first you run the risk of deflecting it at least slightly.
Randy

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2014, 11:41 AM »
Thanks Tom.
I had that issue with my TS55REQ also.
I calibrated as per your instructions and all is fine now.

Regards

I just had to figure this out...

There are two T25 torx screws holding a bracket at the back pivot.

There's one here:

(Attachment Link)


and one here:

(Attachment Link)


Once they are slightly lose, using a wide blade screwdriver, the bracket can be fine-tuned. Put the screwdriver spanning the slots in the casting and the bracket and twist to adjust. Leaving the screws snug to hold the bracket's position makes it easier to then retighten the screws.

(Attachment Link)



Tom

Offline riderguy57

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Re: Festool TS55 Bevel Stop
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2014, 09:27 PM »
Thank you Tom for the fine explanation on this. I find it difficult to believe that Festool would rather have the customer send back the whole unit for this adjustment, versus coming out with the instructions you did. Mine was off by 1 degree, and with the above instructions I was able to dial it in to perfect. All I needed to was loosen the 2 screws and move the bracket to the left until it stopped. That ended up having my pointer right at the 0 Degree mark. Thanks again Tom!

Scott