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Offline glass1

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Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« on: July 17, 2018, 05:41 PM »
With 36 tooth blade should it be able to crosscut 2” mahogany in one pass. How about rip?  I started a new project that involved breaking down 2” mahogany. My little Makita x2 needed 2 passes with a 55 tooth blade. I purchased the Ts75. With a he 36 tooth blade it had less power than the Makita. I switched to the 18 tooth blade. Better, but still needed 2 passes. Saw never seemed right and it just died in less than one day. Back to my trusted festool dealer. No more ts 75s in stock. I took the display model november 2015 dated. Saw seemed stronger but really needed the 18 tooth to crosscut in a single pass without difficulty. I have not tried to rip yet. Any thoughts. With what blade should the 75 be able to handle 2” plus material in one pass ?

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Offline glass1

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2018, 05:48 PM »
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Offline Joe Felchlin

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2018, 08:22 PM »
Hey Glass1:
I’m sorry to hear about your difficulties.
On 05 APR 2018 - A similar question was asked regarding the TS 75.
Below is my REPLY #3.  I “stand by it”. [smile]
“I chose the TS75 over the TS55 - More than 10 years ago.
A bit heavier to handle (and I’m older/retired) -
And yes - It did cost more...
But the TS75 cuts anything - Rips or cross cuts.
I’ve used it to rip 8’ X 2-1/2” thick hardwoods - With the original “combo” blade -
And my 3000mm guide rail.
No problem.
I’ve never regretted choosing the 75 over the 55.”
👍
Joe
Caveat: A month, or so, ago -
I did pick up a TS 55 REQ - From Festool’s Recon Sale... For my “light work”.
Still love my 75.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2018, 08:33 PM by Joe Felchlin »
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Offline Steven Owen

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2018, 08:51 PM »
Hey Glass1:
I’m sorry to hear about your difficulties.
On 05 APR 2018 - A similar question was asked regarding the TS 75.
Below is my REPLY #3.  I “stand by it”. [smile]
“I chose the TS75 over the TS55 - More than 10 years ago.
A bit heavier to handle (and I’m older/retired) -
And yes - It did cost more...
But the TS75 cuts anything - Rips or cross cuts.
I’ve used it to rip 8’ X 2-1/2” thick hardwoods - With the original “combo” blade -
And my 3000mm guide rail.
No problem.
I’ve never regretted choosing the 75 over the 55.”
👍
Joe
Caveat: A month, or so, ago -
I did pick up a TS 55 REQ - From Festool’s Recon Sale... For my “light work”.
Still love my 75.

There’s lot’s of videos of people cutting 2 inch maple with a single pass and a TS 75.  Glass might have had some bad luck with a dealer with a batch of TS 75 lemons.
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Offline FstoolNewbie24

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2018, 09:51 PM »
I’ve cut 8/4 Black Walnut with no issues, and 1/2” Cast Acrylic with no issues. Just let the blade/saw do the work. Not as powerful as my 3HP Grizzly 1023SL, but I don’t expect it to be. But it’s been a great saw for the past 4 years though and I’ve made my money back on it selling stuff I’ve made. Just got a CT 48 to couple with it, can’t wait to check em out together.

Online RobBob

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2018, 07:51 AM »
Is the speed control dial turned up all the way?

Offline nvalinski

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2018, 08:30 AM »
I'm a new owner to mine, but had similar thoughts when I first got it. I was crosscutting the ends of 2.5" thick green maple slabs with a 7.25" Ridgid circular saw. It flew through them, but didn't have the depth, so I went for a TS 75. All sorts of burning issues, felt underpowered, and that was only at 3/4" cutting depth. Turns out the saw had shipped from the factory about 2 mm skewed from front to back and it was straining it laterally. Once adjusted, it cuts much better and can cut through thick hardwoods without problem (although I never got a chance to try it on the green wood again). But, I am still getting used to the electronic speed control. It leaves a nice finish, but I am never sure if it is compensating for speed or if I'm bogging it down. It feels like they might be better off just throwing a motor with more power in it than all the fancy electronics so that it just doesn't (seemingly) bog down in the first place.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2018, 09:15 AM »
The Makita 5402NA spins a 16-1/4” blade at 2300 RPM with just 15 amps at 120 Volts. It can cut 6-1/2” deep at 90 degrees. You do have to resist pushing the saw to go faster than it can.

The TS 75 should have no problem cutting 2” of mahogany with the right blade and feed rate.

Offline Svar

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2018, 12:32 PM »
Strange. I cut 2" maple and sapele, cross, plunge, and long rips with 36t blade. Never had a problem. Even 3/4" 6061 aluminum with specialty blade in one path. The latter operation tend to melt splinter guard strip  [big grin]
« Last Edit: July 18, 2018, 12:35 PM by Svar »

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2018, 04:40 PM »
My ts-75 handles that task without a problem.
Make sure it is tuned up as was said in a earlier post ( running true to the track). Good luck,
Charlie


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Online GoingMyWay

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2018, 04:45 PM »
The reconditioned TS75 I got is a plenty powerful and a lot more powerful than the TS55.  The TS75 didn't have any problem cutting through the ~ 1 3/4" hard maple, walnut, purpleheart, or jatoba for my end grain cutting boards.  I am cutting on my MFT/3 and going rather slowly - experiencing kickback trying to cut those same woods with the TS55 taught me a lesson (it really scared me).
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Offline glass1

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2018, 05:27 PM »
The first ts75 was parellel. The second ts75(unused display model) I did not check. I will check in the am. I have to say after some use the second saw seemed to gain power and smooth out, brushes seating ? 

Online Don T

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2018, 12:54 AM »
I have had no issues cutting any material. In fact the TS75 cut better than my 3hp cabinet saw, there were no burns with the TS75 when cutting 6/4 maple.
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2018, 12:42 PM »
So it was a dsplay model yer having the issues with?

It should be under warranty.

Did you call Festool Service and have a chat with them before posting here?

I have a TS 75 and a TS 55 had no issues with either. My 75 is table mounted (no worries its out of warranty) and recently cut a lot of 4/4 red oak with no issues. it went through the oak with a combo in it like a hot knife through butter.

have you checked the toe in of the saw? Since it was a display it could of been dropped which will mess up the toe in.

You can find the instructions in the supplementary manual or if you were to call Festool service they can explain to you how to check and set the toe in

Offline glass1

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2018, 12:47 PM »
Nope. Brand new fresh saw never worked right. Off the shelf display model works.  It was slightly out of parallel. Adjusted it improved some. It cuts 2” mahogany in a single pass just a little slow going even with th 18 tooth blade. I wanted real world info not corporate speak.

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« Last Edit: July 19, 2018, 06:02 PM by Peter Halle »

Offline Svar

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2018, 05:41 PM »
It cuts 2” mahogany in a single pass just a little slow going even with th 18 tooth blade.
Well, that's subjective. When I cut 2" hardwood with mine it is certainly not fast and the saw growls and trembles, but it does not bog down and the cut quality is excellent. The latter is what matters to me, but your needs might differ.
Check out Youtube, there is plenty of videos of TS75 cutting thick slabs.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2018, 05:48 PM by Svar »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2018, 09:23 PM »
It cuts 2” mahogany in a single pass just a little slow going even with th 18 tooth blade.
Well, that's subjective. When I cut 2" hardwood with mine it is certainly not fast and the saw growls and trembles, but it does not bog down and the cut quality is excellent. The latter is what matters to me, but your needs might differ.
Check out Youtube, there is plenty of videos of TS75 cutting thick slabs.

When my saw does that I’ve found that if I push it just a little bit harder it smooths out.

When you go easy on the feed rate the speed control constantly adjusts (cuts on and off) the power so the gears gnash and the saw trembles. Push a little harder and the power flow is constant and gnashing/trembling stops, or is greatly reduced.

Offline glass1

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2018, 07:26 PM »
Sad to say the ts75 did not make the cut. It could not cut 2” flat sawn sapele mahogany in a single pass with the 18 tooth blade. The Makita x2 can do it with there 28 tooth blade and with the 55 tooth blade in 2 passes. I did however purchase the of2200 I will report on it soon. Not sure why festool underpowers the ts 55 and 75 and kapex while its routers our class leaders in power, go figure. I think I will try the tsc55 to have 2 track saws. I may even import the hk85 for the big stuff especially if festool would chime in about the front hinge with 1.5 mm of play ?

Offline ScotF

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2018, 07:48 PM »
Sad to say the ts75 did not make the cut. It could not cut 2” flat sawn sapele mahogany in a single pass with the 18 tooth blade. The Makita x2 can do it with there 28 tooth blade and with the 55 tooth blade in 2 passes. I did however purchase the of2200 I will report on it soon. Not sure why festool underpowers the ts 55 and 75 and kapex while its routers our class leaders in power, go figure. I think I will try the tsc55 to have 2 track saws. I may even import the hk85 for the big stuff especially if festool would chime in about the front hinge with 1.5 mm of play ?

Hmmm...that kind of cut should easily be done with the TS75 and 36 tooth blade. I cut all kinds of thick hardwood and never an issue with it being underpowered. Sorry that it did not work out for you. The TSC is a great saw too and I have cut 8/4 no problem with it as well. It is one of my favorite tools.

You can look at the red brand - I have the KSS80 and it is an awesome saw for cutting thick hardwood - does not even breath hard ripping through 8/4 and 12/4 stock. Does not have the same molding head as the FT version, but you can get it in NA - it is not cheap, though.

Offline glass1

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2018, 10:02 PM »
Well...  I would love to see a video from someone cutting 2” hard wood in one pass. Any takers ?

Offline ScotF

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2018, 12:20 AM »
This is not mine - I have footage somewhere in my archives, but could not locate it easily. But this is a link to one video showing it cutting through thick hardwood. There are some other videos with a quick search.



Offline glass1

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2018, 06:19 AM »
cool.  But is this hardwood ?  When I really turn the volume up I hear the ts75 buzzing and vibrating and rattling.

Online GoingMyWay

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2018, 06:31 AM »
They say it's monkey pod also known as parota, which is a low to medium density hardwood.
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Offline Gregor

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2018, 01:27 PM »
cool.  But is this hardwood ?  When I really turn the volume up I hear the ts75 buzzing and vibrating and rattling.
Under load my TS 75 gets a little rough too.

Some questions on your failed cut:
- did the saw stall?
- did it burn the wood?
- did the kerf close or the offcut move vertically?
- was one side of the kerf rougher than the other (marks from the back end of the saw)?
« Last Edit: August 02, 2018, 04:51 AM by Gregor »

Offline glass1

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2018, 05:51 PM »
WOW.  The of 2200 is like nirvana. Just did my first 2 routs with it using a Alana super rabbet bit 1/ 2” side 7/8” deep.  Amazing. Handheld shaper, no joke. I will comment more but I am in love right now.
So this begs why not the of2200 motor in the ts 75 and kapex. For the record let’s put all this silly electric stuff to bed. I cut a 7/8 x 1/2 rabbet in sapele in one pass with router plugged into my ct26 which was plugged into a 20 amp breaker. No seperate circuits. Cut like butter. No butter would be too hard like hot soft butter. If the of 2200 and  a ct can be run on a single 20 amp breaker there is no way the little tiny weak Ts75 and kapex motors cannot. Just saying....  even if the kapex is not burning up why not overpower it and the ts saws like the routers and call it a day.

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2018, 06:51 PM »
WOW.  The of 2200 is like nirvana. Just did my first 2 routs with it using a Alana super rabbet bit 1/ 2” side 7/8” deep.  Amazing. Handheld shaper, no joke. I will comment more but I am in love right now.
So this begs why not the of2200 motor in the ts 75 and kapex. For the record let’s put all this silly electric stuff to bed. I cut a 7/8 x 1/2 rabbet in sapele in one pass with router plugged into my ct26 which was plugged into a 20 amp breaker. No seperate circuits. Cut like butter. No butter would be too hard like hot soft butter. If the of 2200 and  a ct can be run on a single 20 amp breaker there is no way the little tiny weak Ts75 and kapex motors cannot. Just saying....  even if the kapex is not burning up why not overpower it and the ts saws like the routers and call it a day.

There’s a lot of things Festool should do.  Like putting LED lights on their routers.  There’s no
Argument the TS 75 should have a bigger motor.  Even a motor with 75% of the power of the OF2200 would suffice.

The TS 75 should not be getting out classed by a Makita cordless plunge saw selling at half the price. 

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Offline ScotF

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2018, 08:03 PM »
Here is another ripping oak:



Again, not my video. But the TS75 is capable of thicker rips.

There are saws more powerful for sure. I rip tons of thick hardwood, have a TS 75 but opted for a Mafell KSS80 better suited to the task. I ripped some 12/4 walnut recently and probably should have had the MKS130 for the job. The KSS80 did it, but it too shuttered and slowed and I was pushing the saw to its limits, no doubt. I think the TS75 is great for 8/4 and less and anything more, a bigger saw is in order. 

Offline glass1

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2018, 08:34 PM »
That saw is struggling. Turn up the volume. I do not like to push my tools like that.

Offline glass1

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2018, 08:36 PM »
It makes the cut.  Proves my point. It’s underpowered.

Offline glass1

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Re: Honest opinion about Ts75 power
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2018, 08:51 PM »
The power delivery is just so smooth on the of2200. Why cannot the Ts75 get the same. Just like the 850 planer soooo smooth.