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Offline JFitz

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KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« on: September 27, 2016, 04:34 PM »
I am looking for a quality miter saw with great dust extraction for interior trim use and extreme accuracy for simple and compound miters for furniture and trim work. I need to have a saw that I can use to cut inside to save miles on my feet and knock down my install time for interior work, but more importantly have little airborne dust that would settle on the electronics and furniture in the institutions where I work.
I am quite concerned about the negative reviews about the issues regarding the Kapex motor and was looking to hear some positive feedback from those detailed oriented professionals who have not had issues with their saw and what type of use they apply to the Kapex, how often it is used, the cutting technique used and the length of ownership of the tool.
I am coming from an 8 year old Makita sliding compound miter saw, but am looking forward to the increased precision, accuracy and ease of miter adjustments that the Kapex has to offer. I don't mind investing into a quality tool if it is a good investment, but would not be happy if it costs too much too maintain or spends too much time in repair only to have it repaired to the same standards it was originally built to fail again.

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Offline copcarcollector

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 04:44 PM »
 [welcome] to the FOG

It seems that people who have not had any issues with their Kapex saws don't always post that type of 'review' online, especially here on the FOG. Instead you will find the complaints. I am not trying to disparage anyone who has had an issue with their saw, that would suck for sure, especially with the cost of the saw. But I am of the opinion that the failure rate is actually rather small, based on the total number of saws sold... however Festool won't tell us the number of saws sold, so we are all left guessing a bit.

I know that you are interested in longevity, but I would still buy it and test it out for 30 days (In N America), to see if it really will work for your needs, at least you will have a good insight on the capabilities of the saw first hand
« Last Edit: September 27, 2016, 04:49 PM by copcarcollector »

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2016, 04:47 PM »
As an answer to your post, I have had my Kapex since 2010.  It was manufactured in September 2009.  I work alone and use my Kapex for cutting everything from trim to pressure treated framing material and decks.  I typically use it 2 to 3 running hours a day.  I am not a heavy production oriented contractor so I tend to make sure that the saw is fully up to speed before cutting.  When using the saw inside I put down a drop cloth under my MFT or other work table to catch the heavier dust not captured.  The fine, floating dust is captured well for me by the CT if I allow everything to come up to speed before staring the cut.  If cutting outside I can't see the lasers and rarely use dust collection unless cutting PVC trim (old habits die hard).

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« Last Edit: September 27, 2016, 04:49 PM by Peter Halle »
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2016, 04:53 PM »
Mine works fine, but it gets very light use.  And some of the reports (with motor issues) come from people that suggest their's get little use, so nobody is quite sure what to make of it.  Anyway, what history exists is out there to search for, no sense in going back down that road.  In terms of dust collection, under the best of conditions it will capture 90%.  In some circumstances less.  Some of it will fall at your feet, but some will also go airborne and in a finished space, this is not trivial.  Search for fastcap sawstache, that is one modification that might help (I haven't tried any solutions).  But...I'm not sure there is another saw out there that betters the Kapex in dust collection. 
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Offline bobfog

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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2016, 04:55 PM »
You'll likely get many positive reviews, as not all Kapex can be bad. The problem is no matter how many positive reviews you get, there is still an unusually and worryingly high number of reports of them going bad. My advice is until Festool acknowledge and remedy the unreliable parts, don't buy one.

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 05:10 PM »

In reading the opening post it would seem that the poster has already read about reported motor issues and that he started this post to hear from some who haven't had issues ...

So how about we keep this thread limited to the questions he posed in the opening post.

Peter
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2016, 05:21 PM »
I have had mine for 5 yrs. I use it for on site trim work, furniture and cabinet parts, cutting aluminum and recently mitering 1 1/2" thick oak veneered light weight panels. I cut miters nested and flat, compound miters and straight cuts almost everyday and the saw cuts extremely accurately.
The saw is light enough to take on site without making you feel like you climbed a mountain carrying a mule and it collects about 90% of the dust it creates. There doesn't seem to much or any air bourne particles that come off the saw. I have used inside several customers homes without issue.
If mine broke down today, I would buy another one right away.
I have used older Dewalt SCMs but found them a bit like a cleaver compared to the chefs knife slicing accuracy of the Kapex.
Let me know if you need  more info.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2016, 05:28 PM »
...there is still an unusually and worryingly high number of reports of them going bad.

Based on what metric?
Tim

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2016, 05:39 PM »

In reading the opening post it would seem that the poster has already read about reported motor issues and that he started this post to hear from some who haven't had issues ...

So how about we keep this thread limited to the questions he posed in the opening post.

Peter

To be fair, Peter,  he did close the post by saying:

"I don't mind investing into a quality tool if it is a good investment, but would not be happy if it costs too much too maintain or spends too much time in repair only to have it repaired to the same standards it was originally built to fail again. "

So I believe my input was valid and relevant to helping him in his decision process.

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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2016, 05:44 PM »
...there is still an unusually and worryingly high number of reports of them going bad.

Based on what metric?
Tim

Simple observation. The Kapex is one of Festool's most expensive tools and in the absence of someone correcting me with hard facts, I'm pretty sure this equates to them not selling as many of them as compared to sanders, tracksaws, drills, etc. Yet here on the FOG the number of reports of Kapex burning out/going bad noticeably outnumbers any other tool. Therefore it's a reasonable inference that based on it being a lower selling product, with higher than average complaints, that there's something inherently wrong with it.
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2016, 06:04 PM »
Therefore it's a reasonable inference that based on it being a lower selling product, with higher than average complaints, that there's something inherently wrong with it.

So your it's your opinion, not based on any real data. I don't agree or disagree just want to caution people from making a decision on opinion and conjecture vs. real data.
The Kapex may or may not be a flawed product but emotionally charged posts here by disappointed users should only be part of the decision making process. I could argue that the relative high cost elicits a more vehement and negatively charged post than any other Festool tool.
Tim

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2016, 06:10 PM »
Therefore it's a reasonable inference that based on it being a lower selling product, with higher than average complaints, that there's something inherently wrong with it.

So your it's your opinion, not based on any real data. I don't agree or disagree just want to caution people from making a decision on opinion and conjecture vs. real data.
The Kapex may or may not be a flawed product but emotionally charged posts here by disappointed users should only be part of the decision making process. I could argue that the relative high cost elicits a more vehement and negatively charged post than any other Festool tool.
Tim

It's not opinion, it's inference. There's a difference. Inference is base on observation and deductive reasoning, if you can prove to me that more complaints are made about other tools or that the Kapex isn't sold in lower volume than other tools, I'll yield that my inference is flawed. Also there's not really any such thing as a cheap Festool, so if any of the range were failing in or just out of warranty like the Kapex is reportedly doing, I think it's reasonable to think people would complain here just as vehemently as they do with the Kapex.

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2016, 06:10 PM »
So I believe my input was valid and relevant to helping him in his decision process.

As the OP stated, only if you have or have had a Kapex and used it professionally.
Have you?
Tim

Offline Gerald_D

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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2016, 06:11 PM »
I bought mine 5 years ago and, believe me, I pondered this purchase more than any other Festool because of the price.  I build furniture and so I needed something precise with great dust collection, and have been extremely happy with it, and as mentioned in an earlier post, if it dies on me I would get another one in a heartbeat.  It typically stays in my shop, but when I have had to take on a job site, it is light enough for me to carry even with my bad back.  A couple more items:

- if you make zero-clearance fences (made mine out of scrap lumber, realize it will affect the dust collection.
- Since mine is in the shop most of the time, I got the Kapex MFT.  If it travels a lot for you, consider the UG cart.
- Kapex wings are a great upgrade- either if you make your own or get the Festool version.  I have the Festool version- if you want to install crown stops with them, consider some of the after-market brackets that will attach to them.  Also, depending on your use, extra flag stops are a nice addition.

As Peter mentioned, let it get up to speed prior to the cut and I think you'll be very happy with it.  (incidentally, I did this with my other two miter saws I had too- just good practice to reduce tearout on hardwoods).

Welcome to the FOG and Good Luck with your purchase.

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Offline bobfog

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2016, 06:14 PM »
So I believe my input was valid and relevant to helping him in his decision process.

As the OP stated, only if you have or have had a Kapex and used it professionally.
Have you?
Tim

Yes. A colleague has had one for 9 months and I use it regularly, it's an absolutely fantastic saw, no doubt about it - if it continues to work, that is. It's much more portable than my Bosch Glide and an absolute pleasure to use with it's easy to read/set scales and accuracy. I'll buy one in a heartbeat, once the faults are acknowledged and resolved.
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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2016, 07:14 PM »
So I believe my input was valid and relevant to helping him in his decision process.

As the OP stated, only if you have or have had a Kapex and used it professionally.
Have you?
Tim

I'm a licensed and insured professional. I own my own carpentry business and use my kapex often. If that's sufficient to make a response then I'll do so now.

The saw is fantastic in use. It's light and lends itself very well to being setup and moved often. The UG cart and wings are extremely expensive, and extremely worth it.

In use I feel the saw deflects quite a lot on bevels. I've gotten better at it but it's still not acceptable to me. Is that a kapex issue or a scms issue? Can't answer that.

I'd say it's the best saw you can possibly buy bar none. Problem is that there's motor and armature issues. I can say that because I've experienced them. It's also backed by a company that fails to stand behind its saw. I can also say that because I've experienced it first hand. There was a survey done by festool in an attempt to glean how affected saws were being used. They came to the conclusion that "repeated cuts in thin materials may be an issue". That was a LONG time ago, no communication.

People are still reporting armature and motor failure. Festool has not done anything for affected consumers. So you can make your own choices as an adult but no matter what you should have testimony from the users irregardless of whether it is positive or negative. Whether the moderators think so or not. Rant off.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2016, 07:16 PM by rizzoa13 »

Offline JFitz

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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2016, 08:05 PM »
Thanks to everyone, please keep the feedback coming.
I am very aware of the shortcomings with the motor and armature and have had a consult with the tech in repairs at Festool to see if anything could be said to ease my concerns.
With that being said, I am looking to users who have positive trouble free experiences to decide if technique and types of usage would match up with my applications and help offset the failures I have heard so much about. As with most any item, there are going to be good reviews and not so good reviews...I have seen plenty of not so good reviews and am hoping that this thread might get flooded with users that have had very positive experiences. From what I have researched, there is no miter saw that compares in it's dust collection capabilities and accuracy, which are my 2 main criteria to meet. I have no problem to let the saw get up to speed, which I think is important anyways to let the vacuum get to max suction, I do a lot of thin, repeat cuts in 3/4" stock mostly poplar.
For now, I am hoping to hear more good feedback to help ease my concerns that with proper technique and usage, that I would have years of trouble free use and clean accurate low dust cuts, pride, increased profitability and decreased installation time.

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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2016, 08:25 PM »
You'll likely get many positive reviews, as not all Kapex can be bad. The problem is no matter how many positive reviews you get, there is still an unusually and worryingly high number of reports of them going bad. My advice is until Festool acknowledge and remedy the unreliable parts, don't buy one.

Agree,  I will not buy one until Festool comes up for a solution for the motor problem.   Two examples are Rizzo and Dave Reinhold both use their saws everyday for many hours a day had their motors go.  In my eyes that's very disheartening.  They both speak very highly about the saw execpt for the motor issue that's there is still no resolve to.  Buy at your own risk.  It appeas to be a very good saw.  If it were me I would buy the saw and plan on selling in 3 years when the warranty runs out and buy another one.  With the resale value of Festool and the price increases you won't be losing much.

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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2016, 08:53 PM »
I bought the Kapex when it was first released in the US.  There was a problem with the first batch with too tight a clamping plate that caused scraping when adjusting the saw angle.  Festool got to the bottom of the problem and mailed out a replacement part to all owners - about 1" wide by maybe 3" long piece of spring steel.  Since that replacement, I have had no issues with my Kapex. 

I'm a serious hobby user and previously owned a Hitachi 9" sliding compound saw.  I owned that saw for at least 5-6 years with good success.  I chose the Kapex because of precision, higher capacity and better dust collection.

I have the Kapex installed in a home workshop on a small MFT table and use home-made wings for extensions.  I did make a zero clearance fence and it helps with reducing tear out on the back.  I make high end furniture, toys, picture frames and do selective home improvement projects and have been very pleased with the saw.  It does not do 'trenching cuts' as accurately as the previous saw (consistent depth of cut) but in every other way I think it's been an excellent saw.  When used with the extensions, it's really accurate for repeatable cuts.

I've done miters and bevels with it and been very happy with it. 

Dust collection is good - probably 90% running on a central dust collection system in my shop and significantly better than the Hitachi I had.  I could improve dust collection with a dedicated vac, but have not seen the need for it.

Overall, I've been very happy with the saw with no other quality or mechanical issues.

 

Offline JFitz

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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2016, 09:07 PM »
You'll likely get many positive reviews, as not all Kapex can be bad. The problem is no matter how many positive reviews you get, there is still an unusually and worryingly high number of reports of them going bad. My advice is until Festool acknowledge and remedy the unreliable parts, don't buy one.

Agree,  I will not buy one until Festool comes up for a solution for the motor problem.   Two examples are Rizzo and Dave Reinhold both use their saws everyday for many hours a day had their motors go.  In my eyes that's very disheartening.  They both speak very highly about the saw execpt for the motor issue that's there is still no resolve to.  Buy at your own risk.  It appeas to be a very good saw.  If it were me I would buy the saw and plan on selling in 3 years when the warranty runs out and buy another one.  With the resale value of Festool and the price increases you won't be losing much.
Actually a very good idea to retool after warranty expiration, since Festool does hold their resale value very well. I did not consider that option.

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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2016, 10:32 PM »
I'm a happy kapex owner. I've owned it since 2008. Used in the trades. Mostly for trim and finish, do have some framing time on it. Mostly used by me but does have some time on it by others. The saw is not used every day. I also have a yellow boat anchor for most framing needs. I'm concern about the motor issue but I'll deal with that when/ if it happens. I make sure that I use a  10 gauge extension cord if I need a cord. The kapex is a really accurate saw.
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Offline gruz

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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2016, 07:46 AM »
Another happy Kapex user.  I use mine professionally doing trim and cabinet installations and the occasional deck.  On my second saw as the first was stolen.  Haven't had any issues whatsoever.  It's in my van with me all the time on the UG cart and has stayed square and true (though I quickly check it when I set up)  Also have the extension wings with some aftermarket modifications- great system.  good dust control.  I also have two Dewalt 12" sliders at home and the shop, and have had and used other brands in the past. 
The only bad thing I'll say is you'll have to put up with other tradespeople commenting on the saw- mainly the price and how you must be made of money...  I think it's a good investment, easier, faster, and more fun to use = saves money.
Good luck.

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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2016, 12:45 PM »
I am a very happy Kapex owner.  I do woodworking as a hobby, so I cannot give you the perspective of one whose living depends upon it's maintenance free functioning.  Having said that, my Kapex is like my EDC handgun - it goes what I want/expect it to do every time I need it to do something. 
I have found internet forums to be very interesting, and in terms of "what to buy" to be very impractical.  Go onto any gun forum, regardless of make/brand and there will be ad-nausiam posts on "DON"T BUY THIS" and were one to heed such advice, one would not find a decent gun anywhere, yet most shooters really have no problems. 
There are any number of long time posters on FOG who use their Kapex and haven't  had their motors burn up.  I talked extensively with Tom Bellemere (rip) and Bob Marino before purchasing mine; admittedly both are/were dealers, AND both are/were imminently HONEST men.  If you read/follow the postings of professionals such as Peter Halle, Brice Burrell, Peter Parfitt, and others you will be well informed to make your decision. (Please excuse the misspelling of any names.)
Just my nickel's worth.
   
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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2016, 02:23 PM »
Same here, super happy with the machine.
It stays in the shop permanent with a dedicated vac and home made wings/syscarts system.
I make high end furniture and some selective home improvments and not use it every day.
But I use it for anything I can think of it, thin stock, thick stock, wide stock, stock to thick for the machine so I have to reverse cut, aluminum, bevel, miters, in hardwood, plywood and HPL.
I fit would die on me I would buy a new one the same day.

It's super accurate, also with repeted cuts, I have no problems with fences or anything.
I love the lasers and really know how to position the wood to get the cut I want.



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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2016, 02:43 PM »
I'm the facilities manager of a children's camp, build custom furniture, and do custom on-site carpentry.  I've had my first Kapex for 4 years now.  I got sick of bolting and unbolting it from the chop station in my shop, so 2 years ago I bought a second one and the stand and extensions.  I have had only one problem with my portable one and it was my issue (sheet of plywood fell over and knocked the saw and stand to the ground), Festool fixed it promptly and for free.

I don't know which I like more the saw or the stand!

I use one or the other 6 days a week, and have had no issues other than the above.  I could not be happier with the saw, or Festool service.

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2016, 03:23 PM »
This is kind of a weird thread topic to me.

Are you doing comparison shopping? You can always find someone that likes a tool and had a good experience. A tool can have a 10% rating, 90% negative, still those 10% will give you a positive review

When I comparison shop, even if the tool has a 90% positive rating, I read the negative reviews very carefully.

Maybe you should be asking, "looking for reviews for those that purchased in last 3 years" or "looking for negative reviews of the Kapex" or just "looking for reviews of the kapex". Otherwise all you are going to get is a bunch of people telling you the positives, not the negatives.

My question would be why do you need such an expensive chop saw when there are so many that are as good, many would say better, for almost half the cost?

IMHO, this isn't the best place that I would ask for reviews on a Festool. It's a Festool forum. Sure check this forum and ask around, but go to a more neutral place as well. Go to Amazon, go to the general woodworking forums, check the reviews(there are many), you will get a better balance. Here you are going to get lovers mostly and the haters that are so mad they found this forum to vent.

To answer the question, well I can't, I find it difficult to give the saw a positive review.


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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2016, 04:59 PM »
Thanks to everyone, please keep the feedback coming.
I am very aware of the shortcomings with the motor and armature and have had a consult with the tech in repairs at Festool to see if anything could be said to ease my concerns.

And what did they say ? 

I'm certain the group will be VERY interested what you were told.

My take is almost everyone likes theirs , until they don't. Which always seems to be after year 4 of ownership.  It's a nice tool and will do the job.  So will a Dewalt 705 and there are folks around here that have models approaching two decades old. Dust collection is an afterthought and the bevel mech. is crude at best. It still works, and can provide accurate cuts. So it really depends on what you value.

If fairly reasonable certainty of a saw lasting you ten or twenty years is high on your list with few or no repair expense - then Kapex isn't a good bet in 110v.  If dust collection and ease of use are high on the list and you're willing to shoulder the risk of longevity then Kapex is a good choice. Where does price fit on your list ?  Only the individual can make these judgements when determining value.

FWIW , Milwaukee's 12" saw has really good dust collection and accuracy. It's waaaay heavier and bigger than Kapex, so not a great choice for easy portability though.  Costs about a third of Kapex.


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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2016, 05:02 PM »
What is good, what is better - wow, I rest my case.  Back to the handgun analogy where, by the way the gun in question actually costs more than a Kapex.  For what I needed, there were several which met most of the criteria, but only one met all, and that particular gun had a boat-load of haters, primarily because of its cost, but all kinds of negatives were expressed ranging from "it isn't reliable, wouldn't feed the ammo of my choice, the manufacturer wouldn't stand behind it," etc.  I bought it because it met my stated needs, and literally thousands of rounds later, nary a bobble - I couldn't be happier.
What is you need?  Is weight important, size, footprint, horizontal, vertical cutting capacity, lasers, reproducibility of settings, blade flex, blade run-out - actual kerf, and more?  Once you set forth your needs, you will find the one answer.  Buy what you need.  There are plenty of Kapex owners who are quite satisfied, and if you are in the USA, you have 30 days after your purchase to return it if you don't like it.  I cannot endorse the Kapex for you for I don't know your needs.  I can endorse the Kapex for my self, for just like my edc Kimber, it meets my needs.
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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2016, 06:52 PM »
From discussing a mitresaw being unreliable to comparison to a handgun that's supposedly necessary to carry every day!  [doh] [doh]

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2016, 09:04 PM »
As a contractor I have a ton of positive things to say about the Kapex paired with the stand. It's a joy to use. As with any tool there is always risks. In the end it's your money and you need to decide on the risk you are willing to take. Good luck with your choice. I think that's positive and will end this before I head in another direction!

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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2016, 09:08 PM »
After lugging around a 12" Dewalt Miter SCMS, I'm a very happy Kapex owner.  It's the little details thats overlooked.  The wings and ug cart is expensive but again worth it.  Especially if you have MFT or CMS.  the wings easily attaches to those which makes them multi used.  The weight of the Kapex is lighter than the Dewalt.  The angle finder conveniently located on the saw.  the clamp can be used one handed.  And the dust collection is not perfect but better than other options and can't be perfect.  Straight out of the box, the blade has be very accurate to my standards and not once have I heard the blade vibrate when slowing down like my dewalt.  I still have my dewalt, but can't seem to get anyone to purchase it close to the price I bought it for.
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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2016, 09:52 PM »
From discussing a mitresaw being unreliable to comparison to a handgun that's supposedly necessary to carry every day!  [doh] [doh]

Well ya, ... you need a permit to carry to prevent those jealous Dewalt and Bosch Glide owners from stealing your Kapex, and they'll only back off when they see the Kimber 45 on your hip.
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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2016, 10:19 PM »
The Kapex isn't the best  slider and no owner of a DeWalt or Bosch is jealous.

Get the Bosch or the DeWalt slider and use the rest of the money on the OF 2200(it will put you over 1475.00) or a Domino 500, these are tools you simply cant match with other manufactures. The Kapex is a cross cut saw just eating valuable money you could use for the best of the best that Festool makes.

Buy  Rotex 150, buy a CT collector, or the other aforementioned Festools, those are worth the cost. The Kapex on the other hand wouldn't be the best Slider even if it cost 799.99. I actually own these saws, the DeWalt and Bosch(and the Milwaukee and a Rigid)and the Kapex sits at my brothers.

I ask the OP to do his research, go to Amazon and read the 1,2 and 3 star reviews very carefully. Then come back here to verify their comments are true.

If your only criteria is a light saw that collects dust and cuts nicely than a Kapex will work great. It's not the best saw and if cost is factored in it's nowhere near a good value. Nor is it a tool a person that has no experience using a slider should be purchasing as their first slider unless money doesn't matter and they want all their tools to match in color.



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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2016, 11:16 PM »
Excuse, my comments were directed to those who have the ability to systematically process logical thought, but oops, there are those who chose to continually show by their posts their inane inability to ascertain the sum of 1 plus 1.
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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2016, 11:44 PM »
The Kapex isn't the best slider and no owner of a DeWalt or Bosch is jealous.

Really...


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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2016, 11:59 PM »
Miter saw discussion, not gun debate please.

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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2016, 07:18 AM »
Miter saw discussion, not gun debate please.

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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2016, 11:52 AM »
Miter saw discussion, not gun debate please.

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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2016, 08:44 PM »
The kapex is a heck of a saw, however I am going through a bit of a headache here in canada for the first time after a service on the machine. As I thought most normal people would do, I sent the saw in without a blade, and also without the outside arbor flange and arbor bolt.  They sent me the saw back without the inside arbor flange (picture attached)  So now I can't run a saw blade. In addition to that, whoever took the saw apart to service it absolutely KILLED my rear angle indicator (photo also attached)

I asked for both parts to be sent to me asap, however they are saying that I have to send the saw in for the angle indicator to be installed? Come on- It's attached with maybe 6 t25 screws and maybe some adhesive backing.

I'm supposed to wait another 3 weeks for turnaround?? That's not fair

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« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2016, 04:54 AM »
I'm a trade carpenter and joiner who is working on a large refurb and extension at the moment (a 2-1/2 year project) so my SCMS is in daily use cutting everything from joists to mouldings, oak skirtings (baseboards) to built-up 4-part softwood cornices. The Kapex is simply the most accurate SCMS I've ever used in more than 30 years (starting with the Elu version of the DW608 in 1986) and has the best dust extraction of any mitre saw I've ever used - far better than the Makita LS1013 it replaced. The UG cart and extension wings are a joy to use and make setting-up and breaking down a saw station far quicker and easier than it was with my old Makita. OK, so mine is now a mere 6 months old, but before buying it I had already used a colleagues tool and talked to several other owners I know. Nobody I talked to had had reliability issues - and all (like mine) are 110 volt versions if that makes a difference. That contrasts markedly with the experiences I've heard of from Makita LS1016 owners, especially in the USA, where for the first 3 or so years of production there were major accuracy issues (blade wobble, etc).

In terms of ensuring reliability the only thing I do is to ensure that the saw is always used on a heavy (32 Amp, 4 or 6mm) extension cable and that it does not share a transformer with any other power-sapping tools such as welders or heavy angle grinders because that can kill any tool.

The only bad thing, as Gruz says, is that you have to put up with other tradesmen commenting on the saw - mainly the price and how you must be made of money...  Overall, I'm very happy with the saw with no quality or mechanical issues although it is early days, yet.
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« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2016, 06:47 AM »
I'm a trade carpenter and joiner who is working on a large refurb and extension at the moment (a 2-1/2 year project) so my SCMS is in daily use cutting everything from joists to mouldings, oak skirtings (baseboards) to built-up 4-part softwood cornices. The Kapex is simply the most accurate SCMS I've ever used in more than 30 years (starting with the Elu version of the DW608 in 1986) and has the best dust extraction of any mitre saw I've ever used - far better than the Makita LS1013 it replaced. The UG cart and extension wings are a joy to use and make setting-up and breaking down a saw station far quicker and easier than it was with my old Makita. OK, so mine is now a mere 6 months old, but before buying it I had already used a colleagues tool and talked to several other owners I know. Nobody I talked to had had reliability issues - and all (like mine) are 110 volt versions if that makes a difference. That contrasts markedly with the experiences I've heard of from Makita LS1016 owners, especially in the USA, where for the first 3 or so years of production there were major accuracy issues (blade wobble, etc).

In terms of ensuring reliability the only thing I do is to ensure that the saw is always used on a heavy (32 Amp, 4 or 6mm) extension cable and that it does not share a transformer with any other power-sapping tools such as welders or heavy angle grinders because that can kill any tool.

The only bad thing, as Gruz says, is that you have to put up with other tradesmen commenting on the saw - mainly the price and how you must be made of money...  Overall, I'm very happy with the saw with no quality or mechanical issues although it is early days, yet.

You sound like me lol .... I had the elu chopsaw after selling my eluflip back in the early 90s maybe, then bought the makita 1013 which i still have. Then bought the kapex 3 years ago this month. Excellent saw best of all i can use it inside someones house with hardly any dust.

Just bought my 1st spare blade after 3 years, got an 80T stehle blade off Ebay for £54

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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2016, 12:23 PM »
Here is a positive review from a very positive chap who bought one of the first Kapex saws to be introduced into the UK. One who wrote a very simplistic review for the Original Mathew's FOG back in 2007 to satisfy the demands of the NAINA posse who were positively trumping (there's prophecy for you) at the bit for any morsel of news of the Wundersage of Wendlingen.

That chap was me spending my children's inheritance, a quest which still occupies me and causes much mirth and merriment. I used and abused that Kapex for three years without the slightest hiccup or whiff of armature smoke and, when I received an invitation from HM the Queen, along with a few thousand others, to a party in a hot and humid place with loads of sand, (no RSVP required), I decided to sell the Kapex. I sold it to a very good friend who still uses it to this day and he too has never had the slightest problem with it. They do say never sell to friends, especially those who are from a similar background of legal force and destruction, but on my return from the dusty climes of a far away place, he still spoke warmly to me and I retain all my external digits and dangly bits to this day.

He has used 'our' Kapex almost every day to divide expensive wood in two and has done many thousands of cuts. He has replaced the plastic guard due to a high velocity wayward off-cut which cracked it, a return spring and has bought two blades which he has sharpened several times. The saw still produces glass like cuts, does so with a precision that satisfies his exacting professional standards and has been a pivotal part of his business of cutting wood, assembling it and then selling the finished article at an outrageous price. He loves the Kapex, plugs it into a CTL36 (240V), and has always (like I did) run it up to full revs before making the cut and allows it to stop before removing the workpiece. He cuts all thicknesses, from thin to thick, never uses an extension cable and like me, has kept the saw clean and, as we say in darkest Wales, tidy.

Two months ago, and in pathetic desire to spend even more of my children's ever dwindling inheritance, I removed my belt-fed Visa card and bought another Kapex. I read of the problems some had experienced during my wilderness years and, based upon my initial experience and that of my original Kapex, bought another which I named Simou in honour of my late best mate. It is a bit of a time warp, deja vu feeling with the saw. Still built like a brick sh*thouse with the deft and delicate touch of a grey, green and black goddess of lurv and it is performing superbly.

When I bought my original saw it came with a 2 year warranty, this one has 3 and a whole ruck of other bits of service goodies. I never needed to use the warranty back in 2007-2010 and I hope I never need to use it for this saw. But should I do then I fully expect Festool UK to honour their commitment to me. Nuff said.

The Kapex is a belter of a saw, I would and did recommend it to anyone who demands precision, a relatively dust free working environment ( better than any other SCMS I have used or have seen being used ) and the feeling of using a really well engineered and designed piece of kit. I know there have been problems and I appreciate that some have had a less than excellent experience with their Kapex's. Buy one, use it for 15/30 days and then sack it if you are not 100% satisfied. I do not know of any other manufacturer who gives such a period of use with no questions asked.

I only wish Mercedes Benz had followed such a customer focused approach when my AMG C Class decided to play silly buggers. Resolved reasonably rapidly, but not in a spirit that endeared me to the automotive side of the Teutonic engineering fraternity. Which only goes to show that every now and then a rogue passes merrily through the mysterious place they whisper and call, the 'Final Inspection' on Planet QC.

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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2016, 10:28 PM »
The kapex is a heck of a saw, however I am going through a bit of a headache here in canada for the first time after a service on the machine. As I thought most normal people would do, I sent the saw in without a blade, and also without the outside arbor flange and arbor bolt.  They sent me the saw back without the inside arbor flange (picture attached)  So now I can't run a saw blade. In addition to that, whoever took the saw apart to service it absolutely KILLED my rear angle indicator (photo also attached)

I asked for both parts to be sent to me asap, however they are saying that I have to send the saw in for the angle indicator to be installed? Come on- It's attached with maybe 6 t25 screws and maybe some adhesive backing.

I'm supposed to wait another 3 weeks for turnaround?? That's not fair


I think that because we are in Canada we have to put up with the idea that we must ship to some garage in Ontario (I have pictures of the place that the delivery service left it) and wait until they get enough stuff to ship to the US repair place. This was my experience with the track saw recall. Sad.

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« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2016, 11:21 PM »
The KAPEX is an intelligent package and works well with the UG stand and extensions. Swapping blades is easy and it performs very well. I've had zero issues. I did get a small Metabo SCMS to compliment the KAPEX because a little SCMS that's cordless and can be carried in one hand can be a quicker solution for many tasks ... and that's the market Festool have recognised with the introduction of the KS60 and they will hopefully add a cordless variant.

Quality and accuracy, minimal dust / cleanup and light weight with easy setup / store are my key values when it comes to the KAPEX.

Value for money is a highly subjective area ... it's valuable for me because it saves me personal time relative to more cumbersome and/or messy SCMS's. You'll get posters knocking the KAPEX and telling you to buy something that cost half, but that's always said in ignorance of your specific circumstance ... if the KAPEX did happened to save you 5 minutes a day x 250 days x 5 years and in your situation you could turn that into billable income or time otherwise utilised - that could easily be $5K of benefit, just for spending the initial extra $1K.

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« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2016, 03:39 AM »
Hi @JFitz

I am not earning a living by running my Kapex all day in other people's houses but I do use it a lot. I bought mine 5 years ago and have had no issues that worried me at any stage. Within a month or so of buying it I hit it with a 5" oak post that I was moving around the workshop and it was knocked out of square. I turned to the excellent US Supplemental Manual (thanks Rick) and had it spot on in a matter of minutes.

The Kapex was the reason I started with Festool and it replaced my old Dewalt RAS. Dust collection is superb with only some of the heavier chippings not making it into the CT. I do have the CT26 connected to mine by a short length of 36 mm hose.

I mostly cut hard woods, typically oak and walnut, but soft wood, especially pine can produce sticky chippings which will build up if the DC is not on max suck. I have also cut aluminium, Perspex and various plastics, on a low speed, and the results have been excellent.

I am delighted with the Kapex.

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« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2016, 06:05 AM »
Hi @JFitz

I am not earning a living by running my Kapex all day in other people's houses but I do use it a lot. I bought mine 5 years ago and have had no issues that worried me at any stage. Within a month or so of buying it I hit it with a 5" oak post that I was moving around the workshop and it was knocked out of square. I turned to the excellent US Supplemental Manual (thanks Rick) and had it spot on in a matter of minutes.

The Kapex was the reason I started with Festool and it replaced my old Dewalt RAS. Dust collection is superb with only some of the heavier chippings not making it into the CT. I do have the CT26 connected to mine by a short length of 36 mm hose.

I mostly cut hard woods, typically oak and walnut, but soft wood, especially pine can produce sticky chippings which will build up if the DC is not on max suck. I have also cut aluminium, Perspex and various plastics, on a low speed, and the results have been excellent.

I am delighted with the Kapex.

Peter

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« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2016, 12:32 PM »

I am considering the Kapex for my next Festool purchase, and @Peter Parfitt, with his recent post has convinced me to move forward, once Christmas is paid for!

@McNally Family yes, Peter's posts and videos have nudged many a mere mortal further down the Festool path ... Now for some funny reason I have a sill poem about the Scarlett Pimpernel going through my head [blink] [huh]

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« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2016, 08:01 PM »
I'll add my two cents.
I make a living with mine. High-end trim. It just had its second birthday.

The bad. Motor failure at 2 months. Bevel lock hinge failure at 18 MO and currently the head return spring seems to have lost it's strength. That will be return number 3. At this point, I'm extremely disappointed with the saw from a durability stand point. Yes, Festool will fix it still. For a slide compound 3x the price, this should not be happening.

My quandary. Kapex will need to go back in. I'll need something for one week. I could buy another one. I had pretty much decided that was my course of action. IMO, it is the best featured slide compound currently available in the US market. Bevel adjustment is genius. Can't live without lasers. Love being able to set up in hallways. Not blowing piles of sawdust everywhere. Actually useful dado capability. Features wise, the closet thing I see would be a Makita slide. It won't be as nice, but $1500 vs $600.

I equate my Kapex with a Ferrari. Expensive and goes fast, but breaks a lot. Apparantly, Ineed a back up a saw. Should I buy a second Ferrari or settle for a Toyota/Makita?


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« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2016, 08:40 PM »
I'll add my two cents.
I make a living with mine. High-end trim. It just had its second birthday.

The bad. Motor failure at 2 months. Bevel lock hinge failure at 18 MO and currently the head return spring seems to have lost it's strength. That will be return number 3. At this point, I'm extremely disappointed with the saw from a durability stand point. Yes, Festool will fix it still. For a slide compound 3x the price, this should not be happening.

My quandary. Kapex will need to go back in. I'll need something for one week. I could buy another one. I had pretty much decided that was my course of action. IMO, it is the best featured slide compound currently available in the US market. Bevel adjustment is genius. Can't live without lasers. Love being able to set up in hallways. Not blowing piles of sawdust everywhere. Actually useful dado capability. Features wise, the closet thing I see would be a Makita slide. It won't be as nice, but $1500 vs $600.

I equate my Kapex with a Ferrari. Expensive and goes fast, but breaks a lot. Apparantly, Ineed a back up a saw. Should I buy a second Ferrari or settle for a Toyota/Makita?

Before you send it back, lubricate all the pivot points.  It made mine energetic when I did it.

Peter
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« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2016, 04:43 AM »
Hi there, I bought the Kapex because its part of a system, which works well for me in the work place.
I also checked out the weight, it's lighter than my old Bosch (which I still have).
I don't want to lugg the Bosch to site anymore.
I have had many Mitre saws throughout the years, all good for different reasons.
I don't believe it will make your woodworking any better or different to any other good brand of saw.
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« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2016, 07:57 AM »
Before you send it back, lubricate all the pivot points.  It made mine energetic when I did it.

Peter

Hey @Peter Halle, just curious what you lubed your Kapex with?

I also like your avatar...is that a new member of the family?

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« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2016, 09:12 AM »
Before you send it back, lubricate all the pivot points.  It made mine energetic when I did it.

Peter

Hey @Peter Halle, just curious what you lubed your Kapex with?

I also like your avatar...is that a new member of the family?

To be brutally honest I will use what ever is on hand if a problem manifests itself when I am away from home.  My favorite is a spray garage door lube (I believe that Tom mentioned that first here).

The avatar image is little not little anymore Indiana Jones who is celebrating his one year anniversary month.  So demanding.

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« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2016, 09:21 AM »
Hi there, I bought the Kapex because its part of a system, which works well for me in the work place.
...

What does ^this^ mean?

Is it that there is a dust port on the Kapex? Or something more?
I ain't no mathematician but i have some negative and positive screwdrivers
I ain't no pilot but i have some planes.
I ain't no sucker but i have a vacuum.
And I has me some saws, and some sandpapers.

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« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2016, 10:49 AM »

Before you send it back, lubricate all the pivot points.  It made mine energetic when I did it.

Peter

I did that. Helped. Just not enough chops to get it over the bearing on the guard arm. I'll give it a
Second clean and lube with some better lube. Wd40 and MDF dust pretty much makes paste.

Still debating the second one. Love the saw, it's just a crapload of money for something that breaks regularly (in my experience).

Caveat. Saw not abused. Used.A lot! Trimming under .5mm gaps even on paint Lots of sneaking up to the cut cuts. It transports in a Promaster in its own dedicated shelf. Cushy.


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« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2016, 11:42 AM »
I also have a less than energetic blade return on my saw after it was returned for repair. I did not want to send it back for adjustment again because one other time the saw was returned out of square due to a very rough ride home. It seems accurate now and I just don't want to chance other issues related to travel. Is there a thread that discusses safe products to use and locations to apply lubricants? Did not find one using key word search.

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« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2016, 04:52 PM »

Before you send it back, lubricate all the pivot points.  It made mine energetic when I did it.

Peter

I did that. Helped. Just not enough chops to get it over the bearing on the guard arm. I'll give it a
Second clean and lube with some better lube. Wd40 and MDF dust pretty much makes paste.

Still debating the second one. Love the saw, it's just a crapload of money for something that breaks regularly (in my experience).

Caveat. Saw not abused. Used.A lot! Trimming under .5mm gaps even on paint Lots of sneaking up to the cut cuts. It transports in a Promaster in its own dedicated shelf. Cushy.

I have to lubricate that area the most.  My guess is that the next try will help.

Peter
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« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2016, 11:20 AM »
I bought my kapex about a year ago. I would never buy anything else EVER.

Only downside for me is that the blade has ZERO play side to side, which, is a really good thing in a saw. However. If your not paying attention to your wood during rough cuts before machining you can get a severe amount of kickback.

If I were to rate this saw I'd give it a 95/100 and say there is t another saw like it.

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« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2016, 12:17 PM »
The good thing about this thread is that it asking for positive reviews.

In a confirmation bias sense that works, and there isn't pretence otherwise.
It takes a lot to shift ones view once it is formed.
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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2017, 09:47 PM »
I just purchased a Kapex to replace my 20yr old makita based on a recommendation from a friend that is well respected cabinetmaker. The saw is due to be delivered this week and I came across this forum doing research on what blades are best for it, and am now very concerned...

Would the folks here recommend that I go ahead and return it? I don't want to buy a tool that isn't intended to be used as such. My mafell tools are tanks and hold up to abuse on-site, and I want the same level of quality out of my miter. I just want a tool that performs well and will last.

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2017, 10:44 PM »
I just purchased a Kapex to replace my 20yr old makita based on a recommendation from a friend that is well respected cabinetmaker. The saw is due to be delivered this week and I came across this forum doing research on what blades are best for it, and am now very concerned...

Would the folks here recommend that I go ahead and return it? I don't want to buy a tool that isn't intended to be used as such. My mafell tools are tanks and hold up to abuse on-site, and I want the same level of quality out of my miter. I just want a tool that performs well and will last.


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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2017, 10:53 PM »
I would recommend that you try it out first.
Beat the crud out of it for a couple of weeks, then decide for yourself
If it's not for you, then send it back
You first post here about returning something that you have not even tried yet is concerning
Sure there are posts about issues, there are posts about how great others find the saw
Get yours and use it before you let someone else make up your mind.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2017, 10:55 PM by copcarcollector »

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2017, 11:24 PM »
Valid point. I've got 30 days to see what she's made of first... [big grin] I trust my buddy and he wouldn't point me in the wrong direction.  Sorry, I don't buy tools often and I just got a bit worked up when I came across all of these people on here bashing the Kapex.  Good news is that if it burns out, I'll just send it in to that AvE fella on youtube instead of festool and we can all find out what's really going on.

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2017, 02:22 AM »
I just purchased a Kapex to replace my 20yr old makita based on a recommendation from a friend that is well respected cabinetmaker. The saw is due to be delivered this week and I came across this forum doing research on what blades are best for it, and am now very concerned...

Would the folks here recommend that I go ahead and return it? I don't want to buy a tool that isn't intended to be used as such. My mafell tools are tanks and hold up to abuse on-site, and I want the same level of quality out of my miter. I just want a tool that performs well and will last.

You have absolutely nothing to worry about. It is a great saw.

Peter

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2017, 09:01 AM »
WD40 is not really a good lubricant.   

It's really good at removing lubricant from a joint or pivot point , and great at removing water/moisture from parts.  But not so good at keeping a wear area free wheeling. 

Too high a concentration of mineral spirits or other solvent ,and too low a viscosity to be effective for that.

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2017, 09:43 AM »
I just purchased a Kapex to replace my 20yr old makita based on a recommendation from a friend that is well respected cabinetmaker. The saw is due to be delivered this week and I came across this forum doing research on what blades are best for it, and am now very concerned...

Would the folks here recommend that I go ahead and return it? I don't want to buy a tool that isn't intended to be used as such. My mafell tools are tanks and hold up to abuse on-site, and I want the same level of quality out of my miter. I just want a tool that performs well and will last.


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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2017, 01:20 PM »
I really like mine

I've had it a couple of months now. It is the best mitre saw I've ever owned

I had a dewalt for about 20 years before. But the kapex is so much more refined

I'm sure you will love it

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2017, 01:13 PM »
...
 I trust my buddy and he wouldn't point me in the wrong direction.
...

Who is he? And if he is so trustworthy then why ask further?


...
  Sorry, I don't buy tools often and I just got a bit worked up when I came across all of these people on here bashing the Kapex.  Good news is that if it burns out, I'll just send it in to that AvE fella on youtube instead of festool and we can all find out what's really going on.

My -take sensor just triggered.
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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2017, 07:28 PM »
My friend is an old german redneck and has been working saws since the 50's. He doesn't use the internet, so apart from his personal usage of the saw and word-of-mouth, he wouldn't know any larger issues with the tool which is why I asked further.

It's been eating everything I throw at it so far with very clean cuts. Definitely liking it .... need to keep breaking it in though...

Thanks for the advice folks.

btw Holmz .. you need a drink

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2017, 09:16 PM »
My friend is an old german redneck and has been working saws since the 50's. He doesn't use the internet, so apart from his personal usage of the saw and word-of-mouth, he wouldn't know any larger issues with the tool which is why I asked further.

It's been eating everything I throw at it so far with very clean cuts. Definitely liking it .... need to keep breaking it in though...

Thanks for the advice folks.

btw Holmz .. you need a drink

You're right, but we've had the gastro for a few days, so I am off my game.
Hardly even any coffee either, which is the worst of it.

There are some theories on the 230v units being less prone to the motor burnout, but these have not been formally put into metrics. So your old German friend's experience may differ from current units or 110v units.

In any case getting more input is a wise decision.
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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2017, 05:26 AM »
 Kapex is one of the best saws on the market and very accurate

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2017, 10:07 AM »
Pay no attention to the complaints on this forum. They represent a near 0% of those whose saw has never had any issues and works exactly as designed.

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2017, 10:52 AM »
Pay no attention to the complaints on this forum. They represent a near 0% of those whose saw has never had any issues and works exactly as designed.

To pay no attention to a cluster of major failures in a very expensive tool would be foolhardy for a prospective Kapex buyer.  If your guess is accurate as to the failure rate I would expect Festool to make public such data to reassure their customers.  I have a Kapex and I'm very pleased with it but there's no way I'm ignoring these stories.

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2017, 11:07 AM »
I've had mine going since 2010 and is the 120V US version, it lives primarily in the shop but has seen on-site time.

So far no problems other than it's a little under powered when compared to the several DW's and Makitas that have been in and out of the stable.

The other issues like flatness of table and fence surfaces, kickback and some of the controls stuff brought up in this forum has not applied to my unit.

The arbor thing is real and troubling but I've seen many continue to get them fixed and continue to use them so something must be right about them.

One fellow has had his redone something like four times, I assume all done while still under warrantee since the apparent fix out of warrantee approaches the cost of a new unit of another brand.
I've also seen some buy new Kapex saws while the old one is being repaired out of warrantee.

Festool has not been particularly forthcoming about the issue so those who've suffered the breakdowns are just a tad incredulous and are more than willing to display their displeasure vehemently and often.....cant' really blame them either.

Am I satisfied with my Kapex? Yes and it's a joy to work with over and above any I've used.

If mine should crap out with the arbor issue I doubt I would spend to get it fixed, I made do without it for decades so going back to a 'normal' saw is no biggy.

Is there concern about the longevity of the units? yes.

How many of the 'lemons' are out there?

We have no idea so it's hard to get a feel for the odds of getting one.

The sad part is that the lemons exist.
 












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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2017, 03:02 PM »
I've had mine going since 2010 and is the 120V US version, it lives primarily in the shop but has seen on-site time.

So far no problems other than it's a little under powered when compared to the several DW's and Makitas that have been in and out of the stable.

The other issues like flatness of table and fence surfaces, kickback and some of the controls stuff brought up in this forum has not applied to my unit.

The arbor thing is real and troubling but I've seen many continue to get them fixed and continue to use them so something must be right about them.

One fellow has had his redone something like four times, I assume all done while still under warrantee since the apparent fix out of warrantee approaches the cost of a new unit of another brand.
I've also seen some buy new Kapex saws while the old one is being repaired out of warrantee.

Festool has not been particularly forthcoming about the issue so those who've suffered the breakdowns are just a tad incredulous and are more than willing to display their displeasure vehemently and often.....cant' really blame them either.

Am I satisfied with my Kapex? Yes and it's a joy to work with over and above any I've used.

If mine should crap out with the arbor issue I doubt I would spend to get it fixed, I made do without it for decades so going back to a 'normal' saw is no biggy.

Is there concern about the longevity of the units? yes.

How many of the 'lemons' are out there?

We have no idea so it's hard to get a feel for the odds of getting one.

The sad part is that the lemons exist.



The first 2 times were under warranty.The last time I paid a respectable $345-$350ish to get it repaired. I have not contacted them yet about the latest burnout. I feel like it should be repaired free since it obviously has not been properly fixed at any point regardless of their proud assertations about the quality of their repairs.

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2017, 03:46 PM »
I have not contacted them yet about the latest burnout. I feel like it should be repaired free since it obviously has not been properly fixed at any point regardless of their proud assertations about the quality of their repairs.

I think they should to, heck... having one crap out that many times should be a prime case study for their HQ QC dept. and offer a replacement so they can further dissect your saw. They should already have 'the book' on your saw as many times as it's been in.

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2017, 07:16 PM »
They have "the book" for ghost's saw.  German co.s are renowned for keeping records.

Kapex's issues whether real or perceived should not be dismissed by anyone considering purchase - if they care about their wallet.  We're talking about the most expensive saw on the market , not some Craftsman or Ryobi at $300 or less that people can quickly get over if /when it fails in three years or so. 

It would appear that Kapex's motor problems are more than an outliers or a couple of kooky woodworkers voicing displeasure that their saw crapped out.  I've read here of a few Kapex problems like bad paint job, or misaligned laser, warped table ect... But those are very rare and some I cannot recall hearing of a second instance.  Things like that I'd chalk up to bad luck, kooky user, ect....  But when multiple people come on here and other places and say they have a Kapex Motor Problem - then it would seem to be more than a few unlucky chaps.

What does this mean for the prospective buyer.  Nothing if you're swimming in cash and just want to roll the dice on a nice saw.   If you value your money a bit more then you have to assign some sort of value to the risk you're exposing yourself to by purchasing a Kapex.  Maybe you get one that works fine for seven or ten or more years with no cosmetic flaws amd it only ends up costing you $150 a year to own.

But............what if you're not that guy?   What if yours goes tits up in year one and you have to scramble to secure another saw to finish a job by a deadline. How will you feel?  Think Jim will loan you his to finish ? What if yours bites the dust 3 1/2 years in and your faced with scrapping it or a $4-500 repair bill ?   Will you feel the xtra $800-$1000 xtra you spent on Kapex will have been worth it at that point for the accuracy, portability, easy bevel and cool factor ?

I think most people are't as freewheeling with the dice and their bankroll and wouldn't feel this saw worth it if it dies in less than ten years.  Honestly, I've used it and it's not that much more  (if at all) accurate than other quality saws. The rest of Kapex's love fest is really starting to feel like a case of the emperors new clothes to me.

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2017, 07:19 PM »
Very well said sir.

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Re: KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing
« Reply #77 on: January 08, 2017, 07:44 PM »
Three strikes you're out of there, he earned a New Kapex.

Come on Festool step up to the plate.........

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« Reply #78 on: January 08, 2017, 08:34 PM »
I own 2 Kapex saws and love most of their features although I have had issues.  The compound dial is hands down the most practical I have ever used.  In my opinion, the accuracy is worth the extra cost combined with it's light weight.  The plastic handle on the back that you lift up to disengage the compound lock however, has it's drawbacks.  I have replaced 3 of the plastic hinges.  They always seem to break at the most inconvenient times like there really is a good time.  I keep a supply of no less than two on hand now for back up.  They are cheap and relatively quick to put on.   Now the bummer, I have had two motors go out.  The first was on a brand new saw less than a month old, the second was three days ago on that saw's replacement which was just over a year old.  I just boxed it up tonight to ship off.  My original saw is still going strong except for brushes replaced at just over 3 years old.  I purchased it in 2012.  I am hesitant to buy another because of the motor issue.  I routinely have 2 kapex's and one 12 inch Milwaukee scms set up on a trim job.  My guys will always default to the kapex unless they are cutting large crown or tall base standing up.  I have been doing high end finish work for nearly 25 years so I've got to use all the other colors of saws for reference. 
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