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Offline jonathan-m

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New dust ports and connectors
« on: March 02, 2018, 02:41 PM »
I strongly feel this is a huge problem and as a user with allergies, it is something very dear to my heart.
The biggest selling point and primary reason I got into Festool and now own so many of the tools is because of the good dust collection and how it allowed me to work with more ease of mind as I didn't have to suffer my allergies so much.
These new dust ports and connectors have seriously downgraded the experience with just about every tool.

As I understand it the new locking dust port/dust hose was introduced mainly because there were people who had their hose falling off their saws and sanders. I personally never had this happen to me.

What I do have happen to me all the time now, is that I have a lot more dust.
We now have €500+ vacuums attached to very expensive tools that are supposed to have great dust collection, and each and every time I want to connect a tool I 
a) have to line up the hose with the dust port on the tool so that the arrow line up
b) the rubber connector is so darn stiff. I find it's a lot more cumbersome now to just switch out the plug-it cord and connect your vacuum hose to another tool.
c) when I want to switch tools, each and every time, with each and every tool, when I disconnect my hose there is residual dust falling out of the port/connector.

I find this to simply be unacceptable, as these problems didn't exist before!

Another example, about 50% of the time the entire plastic dust port breaks off my HK85 & HK55 saws. I understand the design is to attach the dust bag like on the cordless saws, but it's to fragile. It's not strong enough.
The enitre port just keeps on breaking off the saws, like 50% of the time I use my saws. Maybe you had some users who didn't attach their hose all the way or had a worn rubber connector that caused a hose to slip off the tool. Now you have dust ports breaking off the tools entirely, making a huge mess and causing dangerous work situations ALL THE TIME!

Again, I never had any of thse problems before, in fact, I loved the great dust collection my Festool tools offered me. Now however, I have more dust than ever before! What use is the dust collection on these saws to me, if the dust ports break off tools half of the time I use them on site?

So nothing has been fixed, in fact, both the user experience and the dust collection have gotten worse on all your tools!

So my suggestion, in fact I'm almost begging, please keep offering us the old dust ports and connectors, they are way way superior both in user experience and dust free working.

I really wish we could make this into a poll so we can have everybody chime in on this and have our voices heard by Festool.
I'm certain I'm not alone in this.
So if you feel the same way, please chime in, so that hopefuly someone over at corprate notices!


I just saw this video from Sedge. I mean seriously, doesn't this video speak volumes in and of itself?


Festool used to be synonymous with quality tools that offer great dust collection, now with this "upgrade" we get more dust than ever before...
You're losing me Festool.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 03:03 PM »
Well you’re certainly not alone on this one.  [eek]

The Kapex issues are probably the hottest hot button on this forum while this issue is probably hot button #2. Unfortunately it’s not going away any time soon. I stopped over at the local Woodcraft store recently and noticed that the latest D500 & D700 now have this new connection along with the Rotex 125.  [mad]

Here’s a photo I snapped of the ports on my ETS EC 125 & Pro 5...nice. By the way, the residual on the Pro 5 was what was left after the majority of the dust had already fallen on the floor and countertop...really nice.

About the best we can do is to notify @TylerC that you’re another disgruntled customer. A poll could produce some interesting findings.  [smile]
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 07:14 AM by Cheese »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2018, 03:33 PM »
I have not used the new connector yet but I’m not looking forward to it. Keeping in mind I don’t have any experience it does seem like if you could remember to keep the tool running before you pulled the hose off the dust on the port might get sucked up instead of falling.

Offline Svar

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2018, 03:36 PM »
it does seem like if you could remember to keep the tool running before you pulled the hose off the dust on the port might get sucked up instead of falling.
This is what I was thinking too. And with the new remote you could activate your vac without the tool running.
Not trying to be a devil's advocate, but just saying.

Offline Alex

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2018, 03:54 PM »
For the poll, as far as Jonathan's grievances go, that's a +1 from me. Festool fixed a minor problem and introduced a bigger one. An absolute downgrade.

Luckily I don't have any tools with the new port yet, and I snagged up a couple of older hoze nozzles before they became unavailable, but I already dread the day they'll wear out.

if you could remember to keep the tool running before you pulled the hose off the dust on the port might get sucked up instead of falling.

Totally impractical.


- And I really wish that when Festool introduces something new they don't IMMEDIATELY phase out the previous version. Give us a choice, please. Some of your "upgrades" are just crap. How do you field test this, and who actually gives you feedback during the development phase?
« Last Edit: March 02, 2018, 04:01 PM by Alex »

Offline Cheese

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2018, 03:54 PM »
Sorry guys it doesn’t work like that.  [mad]

These are your choices:
1. While the sander is running, and thus the vac is running, grasp the sander and slowly try to remove the hose a little at a time while also twisting the hose around the port to suck up as much dust as possible. Try not to hit any objects while the sander is running. Shut the sander off and remove it from the hose.

2. Shut the sander off, walk over to the vac and switch it to manual. Walk back to the sander and complete the task as outlined in option 1 above. Walk back to the vac and switch it to automatic. Walk back to the sander and remove it from the hose.

As the Checkered Demon would say...nice.

Offline Cheese

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2018, 03:59 PM »
And with the new remote you could activate your vac without the tool running.

What if you’re using a MINI or MIDI?

Offline Svar

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2018, 04:13 PM »
And with the new remote you could activate your vac without the tool running.
What if you’re using a MINI or MIDI?
Don't worry, in 2020 Festool will roll out a new accessory - HCTDSA-SYS (hose connector trapped dust sucking attachment in Systainer) for $199.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2018, 04:24 PM »
So glad all my Festool tools have the old dust port connection! I bought them all before they started rolling out the new connector. I tried the new connector on the Pro 5 when I had one and didnt like it right off the bat. Really cant believe they messed that one up so bad.
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Offline scholar

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2018, 04:32 PM »
+ 1 from me!

It makes me mad.......


Offline egmiii

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2018, 04:47 PM »
+1

I was going to buy the DTS400 last week before the price increase. Decided to wait for a used one on Craigslist with the old port. I'm not going to buy any more tools with this port. Either it's fixed or I'm done.

Offline Cheese

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2018, 05:35 PM »
Don't worry, in 2020 Festool will roll out a new accessory - HCTDSA-SYS (hose connector trapped dust sucking attachment in Systainer) for $199.

 [big grin] Yeah, but it’ll probably be NAINA for the first couple of years.

Offline Bohdan

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2018, 05:47 PM »

I just saw this video from Sedge. I mean seriously, doesn't this video speak volumes in and of itself?


Festool used to be synonymous with quality tools that offer great dust collection, now with this "upgrade" we get more dust than ever before...
You're losing me Festool.

I wonder if Sedge has shown this video to Festool management. It takes real skill to mess some thing as simple as two tubes sliding on each other. The designer should be forced to watch this video repeatedly as penance for being such a F wit.

Offline Matty04

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2018, 11:27 PM »
+1 from me as well

Offline The.Handyman

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2018, 03:01 AM »
+1

Offline TinyShop

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2018, 03:28 AM »
+1

Offline mrB

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2018, 04:49 AM »
The new connection has now started to creep into my tool stable, with one vac and a couple of tools.  I also hate it by comparison! That mini dust shower every time i disconnect is a joke!
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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2018, 08:50 AM »
+1
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Offline mrB

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2018, 09:43 AM »
Wow. Only just saw the video posted above with Sedge. .  Ha ha ha ha ha!   Tricks on how to make the new easy connection actually easy to connect  [tongue] too stupid.

I agree as others have posted that the old push/pull simple connections were way way better. I only ever had the hose pull off the TS a few times when I was going fast and the hose caught an edge, my sanders, jigsaws, router have never had the issue. . And the solution to the hose tugging lies in the new hose they just released, not this PIA connector that is a def' step back in usability and function. .

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Offline Runhard

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2018, 10:43 AM »
Another vote for someone who hates the new connectors.  [mad]
I highly doubt that Festool cares or that they will do anything about it.
Daniel

Offline ben_r_

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2018, 10:52 AM »
Another vote for someone who hates the new connectors.  [mad]
I highly doubt that Festool cares or that they will do anything about it.
They wont. At least not any time soon. They just got done transitioning all their tools dust port and hose connections to the new connector. Not likely they will recall all those connectors or change them anytime soon.
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Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2018, 10:59 AM »
I only own a TS55 and RO150 that I purchased last year.  They both have the new style connector.

I just assumed this was the normal connection - I never knew or maybe noticed there was an older more preferred design.  I just thought that build up of dust was normal.  I didn't find the little bit of collected dust to be that big of a deal, but I'm only a hack hobbyist who works in the garage.  I might just bang the little bit of dust that collected onto to benchtop and just reach down and turn the CT26 to manual to suck it up.
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Offline Runhard

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2018, 11:06 AM »
Another vote for someone who hates the new connectors.  [mad]
I highly doubt that Festool cares or that they will do anything about it.
They wont. At least not any time soon. They just got done transitioning all their tools dust port and hose connections to the new connector. Not likely they will recall all those connectors or change them anytime soon.

True, but at the very least, they should sell the old style hose connectors and give everyone options. I’m not sure if I will buy more actual tools from Festool anyway, I’ll buy accessories and consumables. I already have more than enough tools and the new changes to imperial and the crappy dust connection ports are a big negative for me, not to mention the yearly price increase.
Daniel

Offline ben_r_

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2018, 11:10 AM »
Another vote for someone who hates the new connectors.  [mad]
I highly doubt that Festool cares or that they will do anything about it.
They wont. At least not any time soon. They just got done transitioning all their tools dust port and hose connections to the new connector. Not likely they will recall all those connectors or change them anytime soon.

True, but at the very least, they should sell the old style hose connectors and give everyone options. I’m not sure if I will buy more actual tools from Festool anyway, I’ll buy accessories and consumables. I already have more than enough tools and the new changes to imperial and the crappy dust connection ports are a big negative for me, not to mention the yearly price increase.

Same here. Im very glad I got all the tools I wanted from Festool right before the dust port change happened. From here on out unless a tool breaks Im good with what Ive got.
Now, that aside, they really should continue to make the old dust port accessories available. Especially the hose connectors which I thought I read they discontinued to force people to use the new ones. Which I dont understand as doesnt their "guarantee" state they carry parts for their tools/products for 10 years?
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Offline rmhinden

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2018, 11:30 AM »
To date I am still using the old style connector from the hose on my CT22.  The sander and the TS55 have the new style, but my Kapfer has the old.  Festool used to provide a new style hose end with the sander I got last week.  But no longer.   As long as they don’t start falling off, I will stick with the old style. 

I was thinking of getting one of the new low friction hoses, but ended up putting a cover I bought on Amazon for $12.  A bit more cost effective :-)

Offline ChuckM

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2018, 11:40 AM »
The new design is that bad, eh?

I no longer have any CTs and I use a non-Festool hose for all my Festool tools which include the old and new ports. Even though the connection is not as perfect as a Festool hose connection, I don't see any degradation in dust collection.

Offline Corwin

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2018, 01:36 PM »
...  [tongue] too stupid.


+1.  This would surely mess up the 'system' yet again.  [sad]



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Offline mrB

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2018, 06:14 PM »
It’s not THAT big of a deal. Just frustrating because it was quicker, easier and better before.
I’m not going to stop purchasing festools I because of this. But it does stand out as a poor decision.
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Offline Retired Chippy

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2018, 06:43 PM »
I wonder if the marketing department in Germany came up with this or engineering.  Another brilliant move.  [tongue]
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Offline DrD

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Re: New dust ports and connectors
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2018, 07:18 PM »
Just asking a question here.  With all the questions/uncertainty re antistatic v non-antistatic hoses putting the real need for as hoses in question, would the Bosch BS0005 hose work?  It is a 35 mm hose, is non-as, and the hose fittings seem to work just like the older Festool fittings.  I've had a short section of this hose connecting my Kapex and a CT 26 for a few years now with no issues.  The Bosch hose is more flexable than the Festool, seems as durable, AND costs WAAAAAY less.  Just askin'.
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