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Offline Wwzesq

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OF 1400 plunge issue
« on: June 24, 2017, 02:27 AM »
Hello everyone. I have a question for those who have/use the of1400 router. How smooth is the plunge action?  I just picked one up yesterday and found that the plunge is a little "jumpy".  The plunge springs are also pretty creaky. Is this normal or do you think I may have gotten a lemon. I appreciate any insight you could provide -Z

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Online Peter Halle

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2017, 04:19 AM »
Usually the 1400 plunges smoothly.  You might want to lubricate the posts and see what that does.  Was your router new or used?

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Offline geoffshep

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 04:47 AM »
And make sure you have slackened the locking knob fully - I sometimes find it difficult to plunge but it is just that I have not undone it enough.  Keep doing it though!  ::)

Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 09:45 AM »
I can check mine later to confirm, but I would say from memory that I have observed some of the same issues as you. I don't know that I would classify my plunge as jumpy, but I will say that there is some good resistance to it. Maybe that is what you are feeling?
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Offline SS Teach

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2017, 01:10 PM »
I just used my LR32 and my OF 1400 to put 66 parallel holes into a panel it was smooth as silk.
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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2017, 01:54 PM »
+1

This is always the culprit for me when I feel some resistance on the plunge action.  The plunge is otherwise smooth in my experience.

And make sure you have slackened the locking knob fully - I sometimes find it difficult to plunge but it is just that I have not undone it enough.  Keep doing it though!  ::)
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Offline Wwzesq

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2017, 03:10 PM »
The locking knob is fully open, and I already lubricated the shafts with some light machine oil.  When I push down hard the action is smooth, but when I push down softly , say to zero out a fluted slot cutter, it seems to "grab".  I then have to push down with more force, driving the end of the cutter into the workpiece.  It's a brand new machine, not reconditioned, so it may require some break in.  The springs are really noisy going up and down, they creak like an old car I used to own.
Outside of this one issue, I really like the machine, but for the price I expected that it would plunge more smoothly than my $200.00 Dewalt 611.
One more question,  Do any of you use the "table extender" to cut rabbets/dadoes off the rail with the guide stops.  The little plastic foot leaves much to be desired, especially as far as dust collection is concerned.  Again, thanks for your help. -Z

Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2017, 03:38 PM »
The locking knob is fully open, and I already lubricated the shafts with some light machine oil.  When I push down hard the action is smooth, but when I push down softly , say to zero out a fluted slot cutter, it seems to "grab".  I then have to push down with more force, driving the end of the cutter into the workpiece.  It's a brand new machine, not reconditioned, so it may require some break in.  The springs are really noisy going up and down, they creak like an old car I used to own.
Outside of this one issue, I really like the machine, but for the price I expected that it would plunge more smoothly than my $200.00 Dewalt 611.
One more question,  Do any of you use the "table extender" to cut rabbets/dadoes off the rail with the guide stops.  The little plastic foot leaves much to be desired, especially as far as dust collection is concerned.  Again, thanks for your help. -Z

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Offline Wwzesq

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2017, 12:12 PM »
I will, thanks

Offline Jesse Cloud

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2017, 01:09 PM »
The plunge springs being "creaky" sounds weird.  Never heard that on mine and its 10 years old with lots of wear.

Anyone else have a noisy plunge?

Offline drax

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2017, 02:26 PM »
My 1400 has creaking springs (as loud as my legs) but it plunges nice and smooth (unlike my legs). My 2000 is less noisy but still creaks a bit. I don't think a noisy plunge in a router is anything to worry about to be honest but not plunging smoothly over time maybe. The 1010 however is quiet as a mouse plunging but always sticks slightly even with 3 in 1 applied regularly and drags this dry brown gunk out from time to time!

Offline John Broomall

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2017, 11:01 PM »
I tried out three at a dealer and two of them had creaky springs.

Offline vinay

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2018, 03:23 AM »
An old thread, but relevant to me
I just got a brand new OF 1400 and the below describes exactly how it feels. Is that normal? Any ways to solve this?

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When I push down hard the action is smooth, but when I push down softly , say to zero out a fluted slot cutter, it seems to "grab".  I then have to push down with more force, driving the end of the cutter into the workpiece.  It's a brand new machine, not reconditioned, so it may require some break in.  The springs are really noisy going up and down, they creak like an old car I used to own.


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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2018, 08:33 AM »
You might want to try putting some light machine oil or perhaps a dry lube on the posts.  Your router might have been sitting for awhile.

Peter

Offline vinay

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2018, 09:58 AM »
Is Silicone spray good for that ?
Also, do I need to take it apart or can just do that from the outside?
« Last Edit: October 08, 2018, 10:07 AM by vinay »

Offline Cheese

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2018, 10:13 AM »
Is Silicone spray good for that ?
No, I wouldn't use any form of silicone spray. It migrates everywhere and will eventually cause you all sorts of issues.

I use DynaGlide on the posts of the 1010 & 1400.

https://woodworker.com/dynaglide-plus-lube-spray-cleaner-14-oz-mssu-171-203.asp

"Silicone and Teflon-free, DynaGlide Plus eliminates finishing problems due to transfer from metal woodworking tool surfaces"

Offline vinay

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2018, 04:09 PM »
Is Silicone spray good for that ?
No, I wouldn't use any form of silicone spray. It migrates everywhere and will eventually cause you all sorts of issues.

I use DynaGlide on the posts of the 1010 & 1400.

https://woodworker.com/dynaglide-plus-lube-spray-cleaner-14-oz-mssu-171-203.asp

"Silicone and Teflon-free, DynaGlide Plus eliminates finishing problems due to transfer from metal woodworking tool surfaces"

Can't find a place that will ship this internationally, any other recommended lubricants?

Offline Cheese

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2018, 04:29 PM »
Can't find a place that will ship this internationally, any other recommended lubricants?

Ya there are several options, I just can’t remember them all.  [big grin]

I do know that @Sparktrician has a favorite. He’ll probably weigh in.  [smile]

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2018, 06:50 PM »
Can't find a place that will ship this internationally, any other recommended lubricants?

Ya there are several options, I just can’t remember them all.  [big grin]

I do know that @Sparktrician has a favorite. He’ll probably weigh in.  [smile]

I'd lube the springs and glide columns with Militec-1.  You can buy a 1/2 oz. bottle.  It will last you a lifetime unless you are a shooter.  It's also available on Amazon.  This lubricant actually penetrates the metal and lasts a long time.  Use it very sparingly.  A little goes a long way.  I use it on the glide columns and return springs of all my routers.  Of course, it's also used regularly on all my firearms and reloading presses. 
« Last Edit: October 08, 2018, 06:53 PM by Sparktrician »
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Offline vinay

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2018, 03:44 AM »
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I use it on the glide columns and return springs of all my routers.

How do you lube the springs? Do you take the router apart? Does it void warranty?

If firearms lubricants are relevant - is  Hornady 9991 One Shot Spray Case Lube with DynaGlide Plus the same as the DynaGlide Plus suggested earlier only marketed for gun usage? That one I could find for shipping.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2018, 07:59 AM by vinay »

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2018, 08:14 AM »
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I use it on the glide columns and return springs of all my routers.

How do you lube the springs? Do you take the router apart? Does it void warranty?

If firearms lubricants are relevant - is  Hornady 9991 One Shot Spray Case Lube with DynaGlide Plus the same as the DynaGlide Plus suggested earlier only marketed for gun usage? That one I could find for shipping.


I take the router apart far enough to access the necessary parts.  Be very conservative with the lubricant of choice.  You don't want to attract sawdust.  My routers are long off warranty, so it's not an issue. 

EDIT: And another thing, now that I think of it - I also regularly scrub the columns with 0000 steel wool before a very conservative wipe-down with Militec-1. 
« Last Edit: October 10, 2018, 08:29 AM by Sparktrician »
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Offline vinay

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2018, 03:23 PM »
Are there instructions somewhere how to do that?
I don't want to take it apart more than the minimum required to reach the springs and posts.

Offline aloysius

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2018, 07:36 PM »
Personally I'm not a fan of wet lube on Router posts.  It just attracts dust & swarf, exacxerbating the problem in the long-term.  Remember, Festool isn't Elu.  Their routers are recycled Festo/Mafell co-operative designs, decades old.  Only the big 'un is new.

To keep the legs clean & clear of gunk accumulation, I regularly dust into the bronze bushing (motor housing & superstructure) with a stiff bristle paintbrush & give the occasional dusting of carpenters' pencil shavings (powdered graphite) to the post/bushing interface to ensure the smoothest of plunge operation.  Using powdered graphite as a dry lube keeps everything neat, clean & tidy without the inevitable dust buildup.  The bronze bushings are actually used as a substitute for wet lube on the routers' posts.  I personally find it preferable to keep the posts as shiny as possible. 

Mind you, it's only the bigger 177/E & 626 models that ever had discernable stiction in the plunge.  My littl'uns (96/E & 97/E) always display impeccable manners, making the rather clumsy Festo/Mafell equivalents seem pretty crude in comparison.  In the past, Festo/ol routers were notorious for having fairly corrosive metal used in the posts.  Maybe there's some property of the ferrous metal or a lack of proper case hardening to the surface of the posts that interferes with smooth plunge operation.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2018, 07:43 PM by aloysius »
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Offline Cheese

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Re: OF 1400 plunge issue
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2018, 01:09 AM »
If firearms lubricants are relevant, is Hornady 9991 One Shot Spray Case Lube with DynaGlide Plus the same as the DynaGlide Plus suggested earlier only marketed for gun usage? That one I could find for shipping.

If I remember correctly, several years ago when I was researching this issue, I had determined that Hornady had probably been the original inventor of DynaGlide that was at the time marketed exclusively to the firearms industry and then, at sometime, it was eventually repackaged under a different name for use in the woodworking arena.

The nice thing is that DynaGlide goes on wet but within 30-60 seconds is completely dry to the touch. In that respect, it actually evaporates 10-20 times or more, faster than Boeshield.
A thick application of Boeshield can take up to 24 hours to dry.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2018, 01:14 AM by Cheese »