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Offline fraserbluff

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2009, 07:07 PM »
Donald.

I could use a third hand to push the two clips and pull the template out of the router base.  Just my thoughts as a shot term owner of a 1400 and 1010 too. Right now the 1010 would be my choice for template work and perhaps the 700 in the future when I get one of those.

We also have to keep in mind what a master tool and die maker once told me about 20 years ago too, " Keep in mind this is WOOD working and not metal machining and the tolerances with wood will never be what one would expect and need from metal."

Best,
Todd

Todd
Two things
I discovered that as you get older, some appendages on the body become obsolete, and was offered the option of having a third hand attached to the obsolete appendage, as I discovered it would be of more use to me. Thus changing out the bush adapter is now easy, with the third hand. (No offence meant!)

In terms of the tolerances of the wood work, I agree. It is not the tolerances of the wood work that is my problem but those of the tools. The input of the hand and the eye gives rise to more than enough "tolerance of fit". For a tool that is promoted as a precision tool and "a cut" above the rest, it is source of disappointment.

Cheers

Donald (On the Rock)

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Offline justinmcf

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2009, 06:20 AM »
hi fraserbluff, i have recently purchased the OF 1010 and the OF 1400. i have owned the OF 2000 router for 8 years.

i also purchased the leigh FMT and leigh D4R last year. i have been following your post for a while now and i am now in the same position as you.

i feel very dissappointed that the leigh guide bush (brass i think) fits very tightly in the recently acquired festool guide bush adaptor 493566 (your posts quote 463566, close but no cigar mate!).

i just purchased the festool adaptor today and i will have to think long and hard for a solution. i hope holding the router in the same position every time will solve this problem, i will know tomorrow.

i have found through trial and error that i can move the guide bush adaptor on the OF 1010 and the OF 2000 very slightly and then screw it tight to get it perfectly centered.

but the "clip on" guide bush adaptor for the OF 1400 is a PITA. there is no give what so ever.

i can only hope that festool read this forum, and others, and maybe in the future we can have a normal system of 3 screws to attach the guide bush adaptors/ copy rings .

it seems such a small thing, but it is crucial to get the dovetail and spiral bits central to the guide bush.

my plan was to keep OF 2000 for general carpentry every day and to keep my shiney new OF 1400 for leigh jigs, but this problem is a deal breaker, i will now use OF 2000 for the leigh jigs and OF 1400 has been demoted to the trailer for general carpentry. not happy jan.

all because of a stupid little adaptor which "clips on" to the router as opposed to a screw on version!





Offline Dovetail65

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2009, 11:34 AM »
A simple inexpensive DeWalt 618 would not give you those problems and the dust collection is great too. Maybe spend a hundred on a dedicated router for the Leigh jig. My OF 1400 does a lot more general tasks and seems like way to nice of a router to dedicate for a dovetail jig only, it is for me.

I use the DeWalt 618 on at least 5 different dedicated jigs and they cost what one OF 1400 cost.  On the dovetail jig you are going to notice no noticeable improvement  with OF 1400 over a DW 618 even if you do get the Festool to work. But on general plunge routing the OF 1400 is much better than the DW 618.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2009, 11:36 AM by nickao »
The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.

Offline justinmcf

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2009, 05:16 PM »
thanks nickao, i will be getting a price on a dewalt 618 today.

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2009, 05:23 PM »
I got the plunge model 618 used or twice once off ebay for 99.00 including shipping. Works great and I see them on ebay all the time. Just remember it is no Festool as far as the plunge mechanism, but then again you probably do not even need a plunge base for the jig anyway.
The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.

Offline wnagle

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2009, 08:25 PM »
I aggree with Nick on the Dewalt.  I also have the OF 1400... It works well on the Leigh FMT.  But on my Leigh D4R, making dovetails,  I use a pair of dewalt 618 fixed base routers.  One with a straight bit and one with the dovetail bit.  They center well and are a low center of gravity.
Wayne

 

TS 55, CT 33 x2, ROTEX 150, RO 90, DOMINO 500Q SET, TRION PS 300, OF 1400, MFT/3, ETS 150/3, KAPEX KS 120, DOMINO XL.

Offline Paulz

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2017, 12:17 AM »
Hi all. Lots of carefull observations on this topic. Just to add my observations to the mix. I used the OF1400 WITH THE D4 and had poor performance on the fit of the dovetails...gaposis! Used the 493566 adapter ring and woodcraft guide rings. Yes thefitof the guide rings to the 493566 adapter was TIGHT!...but with careful fitting it went in well.
The concentricity on the D4 is factored into the operation of the jig as per Leigh's manual. The eccentric bushing can be used to tighten joints up by rotating the bushing if everything else is fixed solidly. I use the round bushings. As long as you do not use different tools for the different cutting operations and do not move the ring there should not be problems with concentricity...BUT...
THE 493566 adapter has play radially and that results in what looks like 1/64th of an inch play linearly.... and that means depending on how much one pushes against the fingers the guide bushing will move relative to the axis of the bit. A bit of a shift when pushing on the fingers to the right and a bit when pushing on the other side of the finger and we have gaps. Using a centering cone was useless as the centering was lost the minute there was pressure of the bushing on the finger. Eccentric bushing are equally useless given the variable location of the adapter 493566 ring.

Switched to a fixed base PCand got better results after adjusting the centering with a cone jig but it really bugs me that such a well engineered device has such a poor design for a major router application. I get it that the tolerance is adequate for most carpentry but a leigh jig is directed at fine limited volume production work. If I were a router product manager i would want to excel in that segment.
To add to the issue it would not be trivial  on the OF 1400 to design a guide bushing that was adjustable and stayed put! The snap ring design has to have some slop or you would not be able to get the ring out easily. As it is you need three hands unless there is a trick to it, but if it were dead on with no play i suspect it would not be marketable.
There is plenty of room to add in a screwed in guide ring adapter but that renders the snap in festure a bit redundant and that probably would drive the marketing peeps nuts. At this point given the error stack-ups and marketing issues, fixed but adjustable comes at the trade-off of the snap in...fundamentally it appears. So you would have to redesign and that may be in the works or not but it will not help in time for my current project.
I will be getting a fixed base newer gen PC with about 2HP and soft start. Guide bushing issues are solved along with easy centering.Dust is well taken care of by the Leigh VRS (?). I really appreciate my Festool products but supporting the Leigh jig applications was probably not high on the must have marketing requirements. Given the beautiful engineering on these Festool products if the design team would have been asked to do the leigh jig app perfectly Festool would have done it.

If you come up with different conclusions or figure out how to get it done give us all a shout out!!!




Offline Paulz

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2017, 10:51 AM »
hi all....check out observations on this issue in another thread on the OF 1400 problems. Others have exactly the same observations and that would drive the Leigh jig gap problem....namely that the 493566 guide bushing adapter has too much play and that it shifts when pushed against a template. For most applications 1/32-164th of an inch is no problem but it is a real issue on a Leigh jig.
best regards, Paul

Offline grbmds

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2017, 07:15 PM »
I'm confused by the problem.

First, if the OP is dissatisfied with the OF1400 for use on the Leigh jig return it (did not fight my way through all the posts to know if it is older than 30 days so sorry if that isn't an option).

Second, if it is older than 30 days send it to Festool for service under warranty if it isn't working correctly (again sorry if for some reason this isn't an option and has been discussed; too many posts to read). All are right that it's too expensive not to be working properly.

Third, I have the OF1400 and find it is the best router I've owned; accurate, dust free, and easy to use. There are other great ones out there also and better suited to this task.

Fourth, Festool has never advertised that they make their tools for use with the Leigh jigs or, for that matter, with other tools or jigs. In fact, just the opposite. They promote a system of tools which work together and not necessarily with other tools or jigs so maybe the OF1400 isn't the right router for this job. It is a little big for a dovetail jig.

Fifth, there is no need to spend the money on an OF1400 when almost any other fixed base or plunge router from Dewalt, PC, Bosch, or Makita would work as well (better according to this thread). One of the OF1400 features is dust collection and I believe the Leigh jigs have a dust shroud. The shroud on my PC jig works great. I would never use my OF1400 on that jig. No need.

Sixth, the OF1400 excels at a lot of tasks, including template routing and I have never noticed any inaccuracies. I'm picky and a perfectionist. So, again, if there are any, it probably needs service.

Last of all, the OF 1400 (actually all Festool routers I believe) have etched marks on all sides of the base which indicate the center of the bit and my experience has shown this feature actually works (at least on my router). That is the result of precision milling and attention to accuracy.

Sorry the OP isn't satisfied with the router. Sorry I've "ranted" a bit. These types of problems are exactly what the warranties are for. No one should have to spend the kind of money Festools cost and not get a tool that works as it should.  I have only returned one tool out of about 15 ( lost count) within the 30 days for a problem (other then the TS55 for recall)
Randy

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2017, 08:48 PM »
Guys look a the dates.

This thread was brought back to life from 2009? I am sure he bought a DeWalt router long ago and went on with his life.

The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.

Offline grbmds

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2017, 09:51 PM »
Guess I should look closer at the dates, but . . .
Randy

Offline Paulz

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Re: OF 1400 router and Leigh D4R Jig
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2017, 07:35 PM »
Hi all. The OF1400 is perfect for lots of things in the shop but as one responder said it was never advertised for use with Leigh Jig  and based on observations that is understandable. A PC 690 is what I use on the Leigh but only there. I use the Festool or everything else. Not what price would predict but price is not an indicator of universal application superiority. Regards, Paul