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Hi, first post on this board.
I bought a TS55 from Bob Marino earlier this spring. And I love it. It has made a few jobs infinitely easier. After using it a couple times I bought an additional rail locally so I could cut 8' sheets and everything was right in the world.
Until summer came.
In june I noticed that the ends of the splinter strip was coming unstuck. I could usually press them back into position. But recently I found the strip on both rails has come almost completely detached. I store them in the garage and it does get hot out there but I am kind of disappointed that the adhesive doesn't seem to stand up to snuff. What should I do? Glue them back on shifted over a bit so I can recut? Or something else? What kind of glue should I use?
Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2010, 03:40 PM » |
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I had good luck re-activating the adhesive with a hairdryer on mine. Heat up the loose area and reapply it a little over the original location. Trim as normal with the blade you will be using with the guide.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2010, 06:03 PM » |
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I too have experienced this on the new rails with the semi-transparent splinter guard. It has never happened on any of my older rails with the black splinter guard.
Steve
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 11:40 AM » |
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I've purchased 3 rails in the past year and all are losing their splinter guards. Festool ought to find someplace else to buy adhesives. First the systainers and now this.
Very dissappointed; not what I expected when I bought Festool.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 11:47 AM » |
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I assume Festool changed the adhesive because people complained that old stuff adhered too well. Changing out the old splinterguards was a total pain. I guess we can't have our cake and eat it to.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 12:37 PM » |
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Brice,
Are you saying that Festool has let their guard down on this one?
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 01:06 PM » |
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+1
This has already happened to my new 3000mm rail. It is only 2 month old?
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 01:54 PM » |
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Replace all my old splinter strip with the new clear & every one is peeling away at the ends !
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
p.s- ive started reading these too
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 04:35 PM » |
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I also found this happening to my guiderail(s) lately as well. But then again, they have been in my truck and the heat index here in the south has been around 110 as of late, so I'm chalking it up to it being too hot. If anything it's prompting my lazy butt to order some new ones that are much needed anyway...I also tried to reuse these strips by heating them up with a heat gun and scooting them over a hair and re-trimming them, so this most likely didn't help with the long term adhesion of the strips.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 05:13 PM » |
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Fastcap's Speed tape works well to reattach a splinter guard. It works best to clean all the old adhesive from the rail first with some acetone or some such solvent.
Joe
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 07:46 PM » |
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Fastcap's Speed tape works well to reattach a splinter guard. It works best to clean all the old adhesive from the rail first with some acetone or some such solvent.
Joe
YES!! FastCap speed tape is the way to go.I have not had any problem.And yes,use acetone or laquer thinner to clean the surface first. |
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I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 09:53 PM » |
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Call me picky but, why should I have to fix a Festool product with some other manufacturers product to make it the way it should have been in the first place? From the number of posts on this subject, it is clear that this is more than just an isolated instance or two. Perhaps Festool could weigh in on this?
Steve
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 10:54 PM » |
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I have 2 1400's with the old strip which are ~3 years old, no issue. My newer (6 months old) and never been used (for cutting) LR32 rail is peeling from both ends. Yes, it is nice that Festool made it easier to replace the edge strip. Unfortunate that they have also made it (seemingly necessary to replace it.  |
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2010, 02:21 AM » |
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i never found it hard to replace the old strips, i just ran a sarp chisel down them. The new ones are coming off my rails aswell, i thought they would as soon as i put them on as they didnt seem to stick verywell
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2010, 09:38 AM » |
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Thanks everybody. At least I am not the only one?  I'll try to find speed tape locally and see if I can put it all back together. Worst part is that the strips come unglued yet the adhesive is still slightly tacky. Just tacky enough to become a dust magnet so reactivating the glue isn't really an option. This was my first festool purchase and I have to say I am a little disappointed in the "system" at this point. |
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2010, 10:45 PM » |
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I had the same problem with a 4 month old 55". Went and bought a new black splinter guard ($13) and it seems to work much better..... but time will tell.
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2010, 08:28 PM » |
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I put the new ones on my rails and I treat them like a red headed step child.
I have not had an issue with the splinter strips coming loose.
They have been living in my trailer all summer and it gets to be over 100 degrees in there during the day.
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2010, 10:16 PM » |
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I just purchased the TS 55 from Bob and taking the guide rails out of the box, the splinter guard on the 55" rail was already undone on both ends and the 42" that I purchased is bent on both ends so I can't even put the connectors in!
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2010, 10:18 PM » |
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call bob
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2010, 12:39 AM » |
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I just purchased the TS 55 from Bob and taking the guide rails out of the box, the splinter guard on the 55" rail was already undone on both ends and the 42" that I purchased is bent on both ends so I can't even put the connectors in!
J, I am so on this, sooooooooooooo on this and will be taken care ASAP. Terribly sorry for the inconvenience. Bob |
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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2010, 01:50 PM » |
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Remove the old adhesive with either a razor or other sharp tool. Then clean off with solvent of choice. Then use carpet tape (2 sided). Works for me.
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2010, 04:03 PM » |
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+1 Rails less than 2 months old and the guards are constantly peeling off. Don't blame the dealer, clearly an inferior product solution here. I will investigate the fastcap tape.
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2010, 09:29 PM » |
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Spoke with Bob, he is already taking care of everything. It is a pleasure to do business with him and I look forward to purchasing from him in the future.  |
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2010, 09:47 PM » |
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What did he do to take care of everything? I'm having the same problem with my new LR32 rail.
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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2010, 11:29 PM » |
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I had the same thing with the black splinter guards. Got some of the clear splinter guards and it is great.
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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2010, 11:35 PM » |
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What did he do to take care of everything? I'm having the same problem with my new LR32 rail.
Ok, back to the FOG! I sent him a black splinter-guard. If yours isn't sticking after you "pull-off/reapply, let me know and I can send one when I get back home Monday. Bob |
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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2010, 12:08 AM » |
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I had the same thing with the black splinter guards. Got some of the clear splinter guards and it is great.
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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2010, 06:36 PM » |
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Hello everyone. First time poster here. My splinter guards are starting to come off at the ends right out from the box. I have some automotive 3M VHB tape that will take care of that. But it is a 60 mils (1.5 mm) thick. I did a quick research and 3M offers a VHB transfer tape that is 10 mils thick (0.2 mm). McMaster sell it for $42 for 60 yards (part# 7628A56). I think the 5 mills will work as well, and it is cheaper. See LINKRoger |
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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2010, 03:52 AM » |
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The clear splinter guard came off my one year old 3000mm rail. The older 1400mm rail with the black guard has no issues. I contacted the dealer and he promptly gave me a new splinter guard in exchange for the old one that came off. The new splinter guard seems to hold well for the time being, remains to be seen how it endures in the long run.
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« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2010, 09:21 PM » |
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Sorry to bring up an older post, but I am wondering if there has been a fix/resolution for this? I just picked up a TS55 yesterday, and the semi-transparent guard was already peeling from both ends straight out of the box.
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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2010, 12:14 AM » |
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I've gone back to the old black anti-splinter strip because of this problem. I've bought Makita ones, about £5.50 for a 1400mm length, so significantly cheaper then the transparent ones. If it's coming off out-of-the-box then contact the seller for a replacement strip.
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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2010, 09:10 AM » |
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I orginally posted this problem. I fixed the problem by using some double stick tape (carpet tape) to stick the strip back on. I had to kind of nudge it over a little so that I could re-cut the strip. So far that seems to have worked. But I agree, it shouldn't be happening out of the box.
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« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2010, 04:15 PM » |
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Well, after using the saw for the first time, my splinter guard which was previously peeling at both ends has remained affixed with no signs of coming off. I suppose if it does start peeling again I'll use the double sided tape fix.
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« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2010, 05:45 PM » |
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I have a few guide rails! Two of them are newish which came with a white splinter guard but the others did have black but now I only have one left with Black splinter guard as I replaced the rest with white! I wish I didnt as I never had a problem with the black splinter guards but the white just don't stick well
I think the WHITE is better than black easier to see BUT BUT! I think the white is no where near as good as the black! For some reason they have not just changed the colour from black to white but! They have changed a few things on it!
1. They have made the white more stiff/Harder than the black! I dont know what the benefits are for this.
2. They have removed the rebate for where the double sided sticker goes. I think this is a Down grade! As I have had durt go under the rail and splinter guard because of the small gap between tape and guide and the dirt works its way to tape and the splinter guard starts to come away! I have had to get some glue and glue is back on
3. The white is narrower than the black your guide has a small lip which the old black use to put up against but if you put the white up to it its to short in width and so does not reach your blade.
4. Some reason if you buy a new Guide rail now unlike the old guide rails with black strips they dont reach the end why not?!?!
Summary!
They have reduced the cost in making by not having a rebate! They have made it narrower to reduce material and they cut it short on the rails to also reduce material BUT did they reduce the cost?! I don't know because I dont know how much the black guide use to cost.
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Weird!? Because i bought the new white splinter guard for my 55" rail and it was wide enough so that it goes against that small ridge and i had to cut it with the saw. Also,i used FastCap double sided tape and worked like a charm. |
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I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!
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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2010, 06:30 AM » |
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Sorry! Yes I am wrong! I have removed the post! It was a while ago but I dont know why but I had it in my head it was not as wide! I dont know why! I just had a look at the guide rails! Sorry! So the only differences with the Black and White! 1. The white comes short when buying a new rail! 2. The white feels stiffer/harder. I think being more flexible helps stop it from peeling away as the splinter guard will bend before its pulled away from the guad rail. The white being harder is more easily unstuck. 3. The sticky tape does not cover the entire width of the white splinter guard! The black strips it does this helps to keep it stuck down better as 1. More sticky surface area! 2. Dirt can not work its way between the rail and splinter guard as easilly as their is no gap.  So ill not be buying any more white splinter guards when these new ones come off or become worn. Ill be buying like mentioned already the makita black strips. JMB JMB |
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