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Offline rizzoa13

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #570 on: July 15, 2016, 06:15 PM »
You bought a refurbed kapex in 2014 and you got your motor replaced for free. I sent my kapex in a month ago and had to pay for the new motor. That's kind of uncool seeing as I waited 2 months to try and get some determination from festool on whether they were going to start covering the motors out of warranty. Waited for a response in this thread forever and now other people are getting free motors?

What seems like doing right by you is the opposite to those of us paying for the repairs!

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Offline live4ever

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #571 on: July 15, 2016, 06:57 PM »
You bought a refurbed kapex in 2014 and you got your motor replaced for free. I sent my kapex in a month ago and had to pay for the new motor. That's kind of uncool seeing as I waited 2 months to try and get some determination from festool on whether they were going to start covering the motors out of warranty. Waited for a response in this thread forever and now other people are getting free motors?

What seems like doing right by you is the opposite to those of us paying for the repairs!

Rizz, how's your saw after the replacement?  You mentioned a while back it was acting up again?
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Offline rizzoa13

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #572 on: July 15, 2016, 07:10 PM »
It's doing ok I'll be honest I needed to clean the blade which I did and it helps some. I haven't done any wide cuts since but I'm sure a clean blade helps not to strain the motor excessively.

Offline TomE

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #573 on: July 16, 2016, 11:16 AM »
Trend and CMT make very good blade and bit cleaners, all of my in-the-shop cutters get the 'treatment' after they're used for a production run or tooling change over before getting put away.

Jobsite bits and blades get the once over pretty much at the start of each relocation, sometimes during if build-up gets to that point.

Not only does it increase the cutter life, it produces higher quality of cut.

Back in the day, carpenters would grab a file and stones to touchup their tool steel blades/bits during lunch break, it's just part of the process.
 
I suppose it also helps with the 'tool life' thing too, never really put much thought into that part of the equation but can see the benefits of it.


Offline rizzoa13

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #574 on: June 13, 2018, 02:28 PM »
So I’m back from the job site early today because you guessed it, my kapex has burned up once again. Almost exactly 2 years later and I got the tell tale electrical smoke and the motor stopped working again.

At this point I feel like I’m being taken advantage of. If I were to treat a customer like this my reputation would make it so I’d never work in my area again. Its obvious it doesn’t matter what any of us say or do or we’d have had a determination years ago.


Offline jmbfestool

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #575 on: June 17, 2018, 12:23 PM »
So I’m back from the job site early today because you guessed it, my kapex has burned up once again. Almost exactly 2 years later and I got the tell tale electrical smoke and the motor stopped working again.

At this point I feel like I’m being taken advantage of. If I were to treat a customer like this my reputation would make it so I’d never work in my area again. Its obvious it doesn’t matter what any of us say or do or we’d have had a determination years ago.

Festool know they have the market in small portable chopsaw there is nothing out in the market which comes close to the kapex.   

So until some one brings out some competition to hurt festools pocket they are not interested.
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Offline Joe Felchlin

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #576 on: June 17, 2018, 02:30 PM »
Sorry to hear that Rizz (Reply #574). Definitely not the way to do/keep business.
I’m talking about Festool - Not you. Unfortunately, you and your business are victims.
At one point I wanted a Kapex. I REALLY wanted a Kapex. [sad]
But... Too many problems/burned out motors/armatures... Continuing stories like this one.
That there are 12 Pages on this subject (to date) - Going back several years - Is a sad commentary... Really sad.
My 10 year old $600 Bosch 5412L 12-Inch Compound Miter Saw is still cutting straight and true - Day after day... After day...[smile]
A couple of years ago I “splurged” and put a Forrest Chopmaster blade on it ($150). Cuts even better.[smile]
I wanted a Kapex. I really wanted a Kapex.
But... I got over it. [wink]

BTW... Bosch’s newest model - Their 12-Inch Dual-Bevel Glide Miter Saw GCM12SD is currently $649.00 (Amazon Prime/Free Shipping) $682 with estimated tax.
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Offline jacko9

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #577 on: September 22, 2018, 12:29 PM »
I have had my Kapex for a few years now but, I haven't been using it much (I guess I'm slowing down at my age).  I am concerned that Festool would let a product issue fester like this one "appears" to be without a recall to fix the problem.  Festool is a premium tool company and issues like this could ruin their reputation for their entire product line.  Somebody should be taking this issue seriously before the taint spreads.  I'm not sure that this is a wide spread issue or just a few vocal unsatisfied customers but, Festool knows and should be doing either damage control.  I do have a shop full of Festool products that I'm quite happy with but if my Kapex goes up in smoke I'll junk it and but a competitors product based on what I've read so far.  I hope to hear Festool does something.

Offline jacko9

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #578 on: October 13, 2018, 12:50 AM »
Bump - Sounds of Silence from Festool on this topic.  I understand liability laws, etc but where is the customer loyalty consideration?  Perhaps it's all in the repair section (I know they have done a fantastic job for me) but shouldn't we have more of a Festool response on  the FOG?  I know I'm relatively new on here but I'm just hoping for some of the feedback I used to see a few years ago on this site.  BTW - I don't know of any manufacturer that gives even a fraction of the support that Festool gives their customers, so we have that to be thankful for.

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #579 on: October 13, 2018, 01:24 PM »
I'm not sure that this is a wide spread issue or just a few vocal unsatisfied customers but, Festool knows and should be doing either damage control.

Oh Festool corporate knows about this issue, that's a fact. I talked with the local Festool rep 5 years ago and back then he said corporate was well aware of the problem and trying to come up with a solution. At that time they couldn't decide internally, if the motor was the problem or if it was the end user. 

Then about 2+ years ago on this very forum, Festool was soliciting feedback from Kapex users if they had issues with their saw. If the motor burned out they were asking all sorts of questions and were actively gathering information.

And then.........Radio Silence.

Offline Jaybolishes

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #580 on: October 13, 2018, 01:50 PM »
Once I heard about the tools and what they do, I purchased over 7 grand of them.  Their cost is expensive, but their function bought me in. Then things start breaking and after little use mind you and 3 years elapse and I have to pay to fix it. Circuit board on my Ct36 has fried three times, speed control on router breaks and on and on. Now I find I’m actually paying a huge amount more for these tools than I ever thought when I began buying them. Now when they break I throw them away and buy a cheaper tool which may not have all the bells and whistles, but it gets the job done and I don’t feel like I’m being fleeced. I don’t comment on this site about my projects or other people’s projects because I can see past the hype. If festool wants to get into more homes, give people a 10 year warranty. Until then as my tools break and get thrown away, I’m finding I don’t ever recommend these tools like I used to, in fact I avoid folks. But I hope y’all are enjoying them While they are still working. Father Time is unkind to festool
« Last Edit: October 13, 2018, 01:55 PM by Jaybolishes »

Offline aloysius

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #581 on: October 13, 2018, 07:56 PM »
If you buy such a large quantity of tools (seven thousand!), or just about anything else mechanical for that matter, you're bound to have a few duds.  A rental fleet of seven thousand motor cars would also be bound to have a few failures too!  Statistical probability deems it so.

Given that you've purchased 7,000 Fuss-tools, I'd suggest that the company should be bending over backwards to provide you exemplary service above & beyond.  It's surely not necessary to treat them as disposables.  Have you not spoken to them of your concerns?  You must be one of the company's single biggest customers in their entire 85 year corporate history!  Bigger perhaps even than the Nazi Wermacht!

Incidentally, why do you require such a large fleet of power tools?  I'm guessing that you have a (very large, nationwide?) chain of tool-hire shops or depots.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2018, 08:03 PM by aloysius »
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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #582 on: October 14, 2018, 12:36 AM »
If you buy such a large quantity of tools (seven thousand!), or just about anything else mechanical for that matter, you're bound to have a few duds.  A rental fleet of seven thousand motor cars would also be bound to have a few failures too!  Statistical probability deems it so.

Given that you've purchased 7,000 Fuss-tools, I'd suggest that the company should be bending over backwards to provide you exemplary service above & beyond.  It's surely not necessary to treat them as disposables.  Have you not spoken to them of your concerns?  You must be one of the company's single biggest customers in their entire 85 year corporate history!  Bigger perhaps even than the Nazi Wermacht!

Incidentally, why do you require such a large fleet of power tools?  I'm guessing that you have a (very large, nationwide?) chain of tool-hire shops or depots.

I could be wrong but I think he meant $7,000 not 7,000 tools. 

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Offline Jaybolishes

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #583 on: October 14, 2018, 08:05 AM »
Totally missed that one Al. Even spending only $7000 LIKE I DID, festool should bend over backwards to fix my Chinese made tools. They are after a select group of fans who only use their tools occasionally in my opinion. Because the tools that get worked hard always develop an issue.  The festool gloss has faded for me and I can see the tools for what they are. 10 years ago their tools were bullet proof and then they started making their parts in China. I still love the tools I have that still work, butif and when  they break I’ll be darned to shell out another nickel. Unlike what Al thinks, I absolutely don’t have a lot of money. I have a 3 year Old son and one on the way. I take extreme care in where I invest my money and there comes a point to when you weigh function and cost. Festool just doesn’t meet this requirement for me anymore. I almost feel foolish for ever buying them. Thing is the tools are expensive, and many people feel locked in because of the huge investment going waste. I know my wife sure thinks it was a dumb idea from the beginning🙄. I really don’t like making posts like this, but if I can help anyone from making the mistakes I have, I don’t mind the shade it may bring. Really have enjoyed the contributors on here.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2018, 08:38 AM by Jaybolishes »

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #584 on: October 15, 2018, 09:30 PM »
I was talking to a freind today about this issue. I wonder if Festool has been tracking the manufacture date of these saws and the date the parts for the saws were purchased. I wonder if they didnt just get a bad batch of armatures from their supplier and didnt know it until all the problems started. 
 After all festool has made many 1000s of these and shipped them all over the world.
So with that in consideration this could be limited to a batch that they received from a single supplier.

Of course if I were Festool I'd definately change suppliers and put a notice out similar to what they did with the TS 55

Ive been having good luck with mine so I dont really have a dog in this fight...yet
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 09:41 PM by jobsworth »

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #585 on: October 15, 2018, 09:48 PM »
Ive been having good luck with mine so I dont really have a dog in this fight...yet

Fortunately, some of us still don’t have a dog in this fight...YET. But when that white smoke curls out of the motor housing things change in a hurry.  [big grin]

We’re talking about German mechanical engineers and quality assurance engineers. They are nothing if not THOROUGH. It’s been imbedded in their DNA for nigh on 2000 years. They know...  they understand...it’s now called damage control.

Tread lightly.


Offline aloysius

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #586 on: October 16, 2018, 10:31 AM »
Totally missed that one Al. Even spending only $7000 LIKE I DID, festool should bend over backwards to fix my Chinese made tools. They are after a select group of fans who only use their tools occasionally in my opinion. Because the tools that get worked hard always develop an issue.  The festool gloss has faded for me and I can see the tools for what they are. 10 years ago their tools were bullet proof and then they started making their parts in China. I still love the tools I have that still work, butif and when  they break I’ll be darned to shell out another nickel. Unlike what Al thinks, I absolutely don’t have a lot of money. I have a 3 year Old son and one on the way. I take extreme care in where I invest my money and there comes a point to when you weigh function and cost. Festool just doesn’t meet this requirement for me anymore. I almost feel foolish for ever buying them. Thing is the tools are expensive, and many people feel locked in because of the huge investment going waste. I know my wife sure thinks it was a dumb idea from the beginning🙄. I really don’t like making posts like this, but if I can help anyone from making the mistakes I have, I don’t mind the shade it may bring. Really have enjoyed the contributors on here.

I feel your pain.  I've been a (reasonably) loyal customer, over quite a long timespan.  Some 33 years in fact, with the majority of my purchases being pre-millenial Festos.  My investment has been fairly extensive in that time too:  around about a whole year's net income in "today dollar" equivalents in fact!  Yet I find myself with a steadily diminishing stockpile of tools remaining.

Whilst some have been excellent, there's been some frightful dogs too.  Most have been used for fairly heavy duty DIY work.  I've personally found them mostly unsuited to my former professional duties.  Yet even the best of them seem to have become fairly comprehensively made redundant by competitors' equivalents.  Just yesterday I let my Mk II Rotex go.  Never thought I would, as it was at the time a greviously expensive but remarkably versatile workhorse.  Yet with the new model having a poorly engineered, potentially troublesome bayonet pad system that can't properly accommodate the latest mesh abrasives, I've chosen (as have many others) the DEROS alternatives.  At this stage only in 8.0 & 5.0mm versions so far, but I suspect the 2.5 will follow as funds allow.

Likewise my 2 Duplex sanders were not just miserably slow & incompetent as an "alternative to hand sanding" as they were originally hyped to be, but also surprisingly hungry for profiled pads with almost criminally short-lived profiled pad obsolescence too!  Bad news when one is required to store a full complement of profiles for a range of moulding profiles.  Slow, with a ridiculously expensive appetite for pads (which are long-term assets in other Festo/ols) which in effect become short/er term consumables.  Yet all could still be forgiven if they performed their task - stripping old paint from Colonial & Victorian mouldings - effectively.  But they don't.  In fact they're hopeless! A DEOS & home-made (profiled) hand blocks are just ....... better.

OK. The fact that they don't fulfil my requirements is a problem.  My problem, in fact.  The fact, however, that they don't fulfil the company's (originally stated & advertised) design brief is appalling.  Caveat emptor I suppose, but for the "fitness for purpose" and "sale by description" clauses of the all-but universal Sale of Goods Acts in most international consumer legislation.

In some ways, I might be deemed that short-lived low-voltage Kapexes fail the "merchantable quality" clause/s of the same or equivalent Act/s too.  Mine (240v) was never so afflicted.  I just hated the (vertical) handle that would become dangerously slippery with summertime's sweaty hands.  Plus the guard that would internittently fail to return to the safety "park" position.  A nicely made lightweight saw with a few rather dangerous, if not fatal flaws that rendered it on occasion unusable.  Great dust extraction, but otherwise not actually significantly better than my Radial Arm, Bosch Glide & Metabo battery SCMS.  The latter, as a "bare bones" (i.e. naked, sans batteries, charger etc) actually cost a mere 20% of the price of the Kapex!

Festo never really ever built crap. Neither did Festool either.  With the possible exception of their cordless "range" (the word tools is not an appropriate description here in my opinion).  Twice bitten, never again.  Not even for free!  I still think that, for all their inherent flaws, compromises & faults, they still make some pretty good tools.  But many professional competitors just seem to do so much better these days. It's not so much the design flaws, either, but the anomalies & compromises inherent in Festool's newer production releases.

The RO 90 could've, indeed should've, been a much better tool than it is.  Yet as a Delta its nowhere near the standard of the old Deltex, nor a Swiss GDA or even PDA.  As a random orbit it's a poor alternative to a SXE400.  As a Rotary nowhere near as controllable, fast or effective as its bigger siblings either.  Fatally compromised in fact.  The Jigsaws are not just poorly performing, but not as accurate as competitors' tools from the 80s.  Definitely not a patch on a world-class P1CC either.

The tracksaws are OK; the tracks (especially the joiners) are terrible.  I moved on through necessity some time ago.  The CTL mini-vacs (plastic Systainer toolbox-style) are terrible.  Mine couldn't even fill its tiny bag properly without cycling through "shutdown" mode despite running at an irritatingly noisy & tiring non-adjustable perpetual full throttle!   Not even with the addition of an outrageously priced $150-odd longlife bag.  The smaller routers are just weird!  Can't get used to them at all.

Yet nothing's really, really BAD.  It's just no longer good value any more.  Not in comparison to the Mirkas, the Mafells, the Metabos, & even - dare I say it - the DeWalts (routers).  Even some aged 20 & 30 year old Elu, Atlas Copco & AEG designs.

Tooltechnic's R&D fellowship needs sacking.  They've basically sat on their collective hands for the past 2 decades it seems.  It's not actually (in my opinion anyway) that Festool's tools have been getting any worse, but that the competitors are just so much better these days.  The basic ergonomics of Tooltechnic's post-millennial designs have been essentially ignored!  Atlas Copco & Bahco are exemplars of what can be done with older AEG & Sandvik power & hand tool design from the 90s, many examples of which still stand up well in comparison to the latest supposed state of the art.

Yes, I know that many competitors are (in some cases much) more expensive than Festool.  As always, quality costs more, but it often (usually in this case) represents much better value too.

So I'm down to a mere 4 Festos now:  an SR5E (made by Wap), a CT22 (Festool by Kraenzle), a BS105E (made by Holz-Her) & my one & only remaining Festo sander RS1 CQ orbital.  Significantly, all post-millennial Festool designs are now gone!   Not because any of them (apart from those frightful cordlesses) are crap, but mainly because the others' are just so much better.  The CT is still great:  10 Amperes allowable connected auxiliary load, longlife bags & filters, removable wet filters & swarf bucket. interchangeable Ametek, Alfatec or Domel motors, Kemo electronics & quality plastics without any stupid, frail hose garages makes for a quality extractor that I can imagine my grandchildren will be using many years from now.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2018, 11:02 AM by aloysius »
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Offline jacko9

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #587 on: October 18, 2018, 09:27 PM »
My Kapex is about four years old and given my slow down at my age, it hasn't been used much.  But I would hate to fire it up for the 20th or 30th time and find it going up in smoke so, if Festool knows that a certain "vintage" of saws has a problem they might consider giving an extended warranty.  My situation is probably unique given my age related slow down but when I do use it I would like to believe that I have the confidence of a great German product.

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #588 on: October 19, 2018, 02:24 PM »
I was talking to a freind today about this issue. I wonder if Festool has been tracking the manufacture date of these saws and the date the parts for the saws were purchased. I wonder if they didnt just get a bad batch of armatures from their supplier and didnt know it until all the problems started.....

No, this isn't a bad batch of armatures.  The problem has been ongoing since release, and we have plenty of reports of replaced motors burning up again, for a second or third time.
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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #589 on: October 19, 2018, 03:08 PM »
Totally missed that one Al. Even spending only $7000 LIKE I DID, festool should bend over backwards to fix my Chinese made tools. They are after a select group of fans who only use their tools occasionally in my opinion. Because the tools that get worked hard always develop an issue.  The festool gloss has faded for me and I can see the tools for what they are. 10 years ago their tools were bullet proof and then they started making their parts in China. I still love the tools I have that still work, butif and when  they break I’ll be darned to shell out another nickel. Unlike what Al thinks, I absolutely don’t have a lot of money. I have a 3 year Old son and one on the way. I take extreme care in where I invest my money and there comes a point to when you weigh function and cost. Festool just doesn’t meet this requirement for me anymore. I almost feel foolish for ever buying them. Thing is the tools are expensive, and many people feel locked in because of the huge investment going waste. I know my wife sure thinks it was a dumb idea from the beginning🙄. I really don’t like making posts like this, but if I can help anyone from making the mistakes I have, I don’t mind the shade it may bring. Really have enjoyed the contributors on here.

I feel your pain.  I've been a (reasonably) loyal customer, over quite a long timespan.  Some 33 years in fact, with the majority of my purchases being pre-millenial Festos.  My investment has been fairly extensive in that time too:  around about a whole year's net income in "today dollar" equivalents in fact!  Yet I find myself with a steadily diminishing stockpile of tools remaining.

Whilst some have been excellent, there's been some frightful dogs too.  Most have been used for fairly heavy duty DIY work.  I've personally found them mostly unsuited to my former professional duties.  Yet even the best of them seem to have become fairly comprehensively made redundant by competitors' equivalents.  Just yesterday I let my Mk II Rotex go.  Never thought I would, as it was at the time a greviously expensive but remarkably versatile workhorse.  Yet with the new model having a poorly engineered, potentially troublesome bayonet pad system that can't properly accommodate the latest mesh abrasives, I've chosen (as have many others) the DEROS alternatives.  At this stage only in 8.0 & 5.0mm versions so far, but I suspect the 2.5 will follow as funds allow.

Likewise my 2 Duplex sanders were not just miserably slow & incompetent as an "alternative to hand sanding" as they were originally hyped to be, but also surprisingly hungry for profiled pads with almost criminally short-lived profiled pad obsolescence too!  Bad news when one is required to store a full complement of profiles for a range of moulding profiles.  Slow, with a ridiculously expensive appetite for pads (which are long-term assets in other Festo/ols) which in effect become short/er term consumables.  Yet all could still be forgiven if they performed their task - stripping old paint from Colonial & Victorian mouldings - effectively.  But they don't.  In fact they're hopeless! A DEOS & home-made (profiled) hand blocks are just ....... better.

OK. The fact that they don't fulfil my requirements is a problem.  My problem, in fact.  The fact, however, that they don't fulfil the company's (originally stated & advertised) design brief is appalling.  Caveat emptor I suppose, but for the "fitness for purpose" and "sale by description" clauses of the all-but universal Sale of Goods Acts in most international consumer legislation.

In some ways, I might be deemed that short-lived low-voltage Kapexes fail the "merchantable quality" clause/s of the same or equivalent Act/s too.  Mine (240v) was never so afflicted.  I just hated the (vertical) handle that would become dangerously slippery with summertime's sweaty hands.  Plus the guard that would internittently fail to return to the safety "park" position.  A nicely made lightweight saw with a few rather dangerous, if not fatal flaws that rendered it on occasion unusable.  Great dust extraction, but otherwise not actually significantly better than my Radial Arm, Bosch Glide & Metabo battery SCMS.  The latter, as a "bare bones" (i.e. naked, sans batteries, charger etc) actually cost a mere 20% of the price of the Kapex!

Festo never really ever built crap. Neither did Festool either.  With the possible exception of their cordless "range" (the word tools is not an appropriate description here in my opinion).  Twice bitten, never again.  Not even for free!  I still think that, for all their inherent flaws, compromises & faults, they still make some pretty good tools.  But many professional competitors just seem to do so much better these days. It's not so much the design flaws, either, but the anomalies & compromises inherent in Festool's newer production releases.

The RO 90 could've, indeed should've, been a much better tool than it is.  Yet as a Delta its nowhere near the standard of the old Deltex, nor a Swiss GDA or even PDA.  As a random orbit it's a poor alternative to a SXE400.  As a Rotary nowhere near as controllable, fast or effective as its bigger siblings either.  Fatally compromised in fact.  The Jigsaws are not just poorly performing, but not as accurate as competitors' tools from the 80s.  Definitely not a patch on a world-class P1CC either.

The tracksaws are OK; the tracks (especially the joiners) are terrible.  I moved on through necessity some time ago.  The CTL mini-vacs (plastic Systainer toolbox-style) are terrible.  Mine couldn't even fill its tiny bag properly without cycling through "shutdown" mode despite running at an irritatingly noisy & tiring non-adjustable perpetual full throttle!   Not even with the addition of an outrageously priced $150-odd longlife bag.  The smaller routers are just weird!  Can't get used to them at all.

Yet nothing's really, really BAD.  It's just no longer good value any more.  Not in comparison to the Mirkas, the Mafells, the Metabos, & even - dare I say it - the DeWalts (routers).  Even some aged 20 & 30 year old Elu, Atlas Copco & AEG designs.

Tooltechnic's R&D fellowship needs sacking.  They've basically sat on their collective hands for the past 2 decades it seems.  It's not actually (in my opinion anyway) that Festool's tools have been getting any worse, but that the competitors are just so much better these days.  The basic ergonomics of Tooltechnic's post-millennial designs have been essentially ignored!  Atlas Copco & Bahco are exemplars of what can be done with older AEG & Sandvik power & hand tool design from the 90s, many examples of which still stand up well in comparison to the latest supposed state of the art.

Yes, I know that many competitors are (in some cases much) more expensive than Festool.  As always, quality costs more, but it often (usually in this case) represents much better value too.

So I'm down to a mere 4 Festos now:  an SR5E (made by Wap), a CT22 (Festool by Kraenzle), a BS105E (made by Holz-Her) & my one & only remaining Festo sander RS1 CQ orbital.  Significantly, all post-millennial Festool designs are now gone!   Not because any of them (apart from those frightful cordlesses) are crap, but mainly because the others' are just so much better.  The CT is still great:  10 Amperes allowable connected auxiliary load, longlife bags & filters, removable wet filters & swarf bucket. interchangeable Ametek, Alfatec or Domel motors, Kemo electronics & quality plastics without any stupid, frail hose garages makes for a quality extractor that I can imagine my grandchildren will be using many years from now.

I love my CT22  little beast had some hammer

Few things I dislike about it but overall it’s good

So from that I bought Mini and CTL 26 and what a disappointment at first I thought yeah sound much better design because top section comes off it has bigger compartment   

Then hose carriage fell apart and then other bits broke off and best of all the most basic design raping your power lead round the little lugs are to big to grip the cable.


I never liked the position of the filters right on the bags

Never made sense to me but to be fair the bags do fill up solid.

The new go to extractors are Nilfisk who make extractors for many other brands.

Their extractors are solid the plastic is robust it’s like a CT22 and CTL26 combined but with filter position improvement. 

It’s right at the back tucked up the top. 

So the bag is unable to come in contact with the filter this allows for full use of a bag filter system.  Your not pulling from one area of the bag all the time like Festool vacs do first thing they do is suck the back straight up against the filters.

I bought the Nilfisk in Mirka edition 😂


This is Nilfisk version only difference blue and has improved castors

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Offline Tinker

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #590 on: October 19, 2018, 03:34 PM »
JMB, It looks like you can adjust the hose opening to fit the hose instead of changing hose end to fit the vac opening.
Tinker
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Offline jacko9

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #591 on: October 20, 2018, 12:00 PM »
While I like my dust extractors, this thread is about the Kapex and the lack of a corporate response from Festool as Brice indicates;

"No, this isn't a bad batch of armatures.  The problem has been ongoing since release, and we have plenty of reports of replaced motors burning up again, for a second or third time".

I only post this again so that this concern doesn't get side tracked.


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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #592 on: October 20, 2018, 03:40 PM »
JMB, It looks like you can adjust the hose opening to fit the hose instead of changing hose end to fit the vac opening.
Tinker

No the dial on the vac is for sensor adjustment. 

They are auto clean vacs with suction loss detection.

Each hose size has difference amount of air flow which reduces or increase suction.

The vac knows how much air flow each specific hose diameter supplies.  So when the bag fills up it detects suction loss and beeps at you.

Problem is hose length affects air flow so it can’t tell that difference so it ends up beeping at you.

Also some tools restrict air flow to pass through so again more beeping.

So basically it’s a totally usefless feature Festool have it on their auto cleans to.

Just end up with a constant beeping vac.

 So I just adjust settings till it stops beeping.

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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: Kapex life span
« Reply #593 on: October 20, 2018, 03:41 PM »
While I like my dust extractors, this thread is about the Kapex and the lack of a corporate response from Festool as Brice indicates;

"No, this isn't a bad batch of armatures.  The problem has been ongoing since release, and we have plenty of reports of replaced motors burning up again, for a second or third time".

I only post this again so that this concern doesn't get side tracked.

I agree although I’m not naughty one 😂
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