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Offline glass1

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« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2016, 12:52 PM »
As a side note my older non soft Start Makita ls1211 never tripped the festool vacuum or a20 amp breaker when hooked up together. 

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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2016, 12:55 PM »
I don't think it's the vac, it's possibly the saw that is the problem.  My guess is the motor on the Kapex is not powerful enough for hard professional use, so eventually it burns out for some users.  It has "less powerful" motor so it can be run through the vac and not trip the circuit the saw/vac is plugged into.  Not plugging the saw into a vac won't help because the saw's motor is still too underpowered for hard use. This is all speculation on my part.     

Interestingly enough I just did a quick look at 10" miter saws that included Bosch, Milwaukee, Dewalt, Makita and Hitachi, the motors on all these saws spin at 4600-5000 rpm @ 15 amps.

The Kapex spins at 3400 @ 13 amps. [sad]


 

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« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2016, 12:56 PM »
...Brice has mentioned the possibility of a problem in running the Kapex thru the CT vacs.  Is it possible a bigger vac would help to prevent such burnouts as what is discussed in this thread. Is it the fault of the CT, the Kapex or at the panel. I had a RAS for years.  Even with no dust vac hooked up, it would often tip the fuse box and i had to wait til it cooled down.  I don't think such overloading did the saw any good even tho it trip at the panel.  Maybe Festoy needs to rethink the CT where the Kapex is being run thru them.
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Its not really possible to cut big beams on the kapex its a smaller capacity saw. and if the piece of wood fits in the saw you should be able to cut it all day, day in, day out. without the motor giving up..

I don't think it's the vac, it's possibly the saw that is the problem.  My guess is the motor on the Kapex is not powerful enough for hard professional use, so eventually it burns out for some users.  It has "less powerful" motor so it can be run through the vac and not trip the circuit the saw/vac is plugged into.  Not plugging the saw into a vac won't help because the saw's motor is still too underpowered for hard use. This is all speculation on my part.     

Your speculation comes from more first hand experience than from my point of the question.  I seem to recall some pretty hefty beams that JMB showed in some of his projects.  Maybe in his case, he was on the right track when he mentioned loking at radial saws. 
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Offline glass1

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« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2016, 05:35 PM »
Hitachi is 12 amps. Makita saws spin at 3200 same with Milwaukee. I bought the makita ls1216l when it first came out the info plate said 13.6 amps. I think current saws say 15 amps. My understanding of blade speed is the non electronic controlled motors spin faster so they maintain enough speed under load. The electronic controlled motors are supposed to maintain speed so can have a lower speed. This is cross manufacturers.

Offline unityroad

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« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2016, 06:54 PM »
Hi, i hope JMBFestool sends the saw in to see what went wrong. Anything else is speculation. It would be nice if someone from Festool chimes in. I own the USA version of the Kapex and have cut large 2 inch mahogany for 40 doors. Cut all kinds of crusty painted wood trim. Sometimes it gets left outside, rain, snow I treat it the same as any other tool when working. Back at the shop I clean it up for next days work. I drag it up 3 flights of stairs and back down daily. Yeah its a bummer for sure if JMB's saw crapped out twice. Maybe I'm lucky. I hope the OP finds an acceptable solution. Yes I would still buy another Kapex saw because it really is that good. Being able to quickly set-up, cleaner worksite, customers notice that. Not having to cut outside because "that carpenters tools puke dust all over the house"  I am not a cool-aid drinker neither, I just enjoy working with good tooling. Festool's I own only represent about 5% of the equipment I use. I also have sliding Hitachi's (3) Dewalt's (4) sliders and fixed heads, Bosch (3) fixed heads, Craftsman's (3) the old cast iron boat anchors. I still prefer the Kapex. 
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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2016, 10:34 PM »
Makita saws spin at 3200 same with Milwaukee.

Maybe...maybe not.


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« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2016, 10:37 PM »
@TylerC
Another picture node...
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Offline glass1

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« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2016, 10:50 PM »
That saw is no longer made.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2016, 10:52 PM »
However it's still part of the gene pool. Check out its credentials,
20 years of cutting lumber, concrete, various metals and brick. It still works...it's also available for sale.

I haven't sold it because I'm a bit concerned if my Kapex does decide to crap out. If that happens I will be a very unhappy camper.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2016, 11:17 PM by Cheese »

Offline galwaydude18

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« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2016, 03:52 PM »
Hey JMB did u send the saw in for repair?

Offline jmbfestool

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« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2016, 04:55 AM »
Hey JMB did u send the saw in for repair?

Yes my dealer told me I should.

Said just see what they say got nothing to loose.  Dont have to repair it.

Which is fair point but I was already planning on making something with the kapex parts.

I was thinking maybe using the gear box.... grind it of as small as possible and mounting it to little invention i made a while ago which is underpowered the gear box would reduce the rotation but increase the torque.  Secondly the gliders i was thinking mounting my drill on for my pocket hole prototype i made a while ago.  Currently just using draw runners.

I had already cut the lasers off never use those bloody things anyway and was thinking of keeping them for something god knows what lol.  Mount them on cnc for tool alignments or work piece alginment so i can place a work piece any where on the bed move the gantry over workpiece turn laser on and i know its running square????

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Offline Alex

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« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2016, 09:29 AM »
Put the laser on your caulk gun, you won't make such a mess anymore.  [tongue]

Offline jmbfestool

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« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2016, 10:44 AM »
Put the laser on your caulk gun, you won't make such a mess anymore.  [tongue]

When did i make a Mess?
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« Reply #73 on: February 14, 2016, 03:21 PM »
Put the laser on your caulk gun, you won't make such a mess anymore.  [tongue]

When did i make a Mess?

It's just a joke jmb.

Offline Kev

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« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2016, 07:58 PM »
Put the laser on your caulk gun, you won't make such a mess anymore.  [tongue]

When did i make a Mess?

It's just a joke jmb.

... and he probably intended to salvage the laser for his pocket holer  [big grin]

Offline Green Koolaide

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« Reply #75 on: February 16, 2016, 02:22 AM »
Been a long time guest follower of this forum and own a number of Festool products including the Domino XL, Rotex 150, TS75, and others. All have served me well in a hobbyist environment. I have also been keenly following posts on the Kapex as I would like to upgrade to it for improved accuracy and dust collection.

I just registered to the forum in order to post this note as another data point for Festool product management. This is not meant to cause argument among members but to get Festool to understand that the amount of conversation related to the Kapex and its problems is causing me (and I  assume others) to defer or avoid its purchase. In my case I am waiting for a new release of the saw. I realize that this may be off in the future; but I am not compelled to buy at this time given the list of recurring issues.

Hopefully, this feedback has value to product management and we will see a new an not only more reliable but better functioning version of the Kapex.
I owned mine for 9 months and just sold it. 
I was so surprised to read about all the failures,  there is no way I'm spending $2k on a saw and then spend another $800 to fix it when it's out of warranty.

Stay away from this version of the Kapex,  wait till they release the next generation.
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Offline Green Koolaide

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« Reply #76 on: February 16, 2016, 02:32 AM »
My Kapex burnt out at 18 months old and got repaired under warranty, it's now 3.5yrs old and I am expecting the same problem again anytime soon but obviously now it's out of warranty.

 I do think Festool should step up and replace the armature etc on burnt out saws whatever the age because going on the number of problems we hear about it is not fit for purpose.

Doug
Honestly,  I personally feel that the price of a Kapex is 2-3 times the price of a regular Bosch/Dewalt because Festool has factored the replacement of one or two motors during the warranty period. 

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Offline Kev

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« Reply #77 on: February 16, 2016, 06:40 AM »
Honestly,  I personally feel that the price of a Kapex is 2-3 times the price of a regular Bosch/Dewalt because Festool has factored the replacement of one or two motors during the warranty period.

That's very unlikely .. as a premium brand the Festool prices and a similar relative ratio across the board to a cheaper brand's range.

I would be very interested to know if the guts of a brand new KAPEX is identical to one that's ~5 years old .. has Festool made any running improvements or are they still selling the same old thing at the premium they're charging?


Offline Steve-Rice

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« Reply #78 on: February 16, 2016, 01:10 PM »
I think Kev brings up a good question.  I'm wondering why no one from Festool has weighed in on this discussion.  It seems we would all like to know if the current Kapex has been improved.  I'd hate to think the lack of a Festool response is an acknowledgement of a faulty product...

Offline GhostFist

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« Reply #79 on: February 16, 2016, 03:09 PM »
Do you think festool is going to come on here and say "ya sorry guys, we've been cheapening internal components to maximize profitability on the kapex, yearly. Honestly we didn't think you would notice LOL"?

Not saying that's what's happened but you get the point.

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« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2016, 03:41 PM »
I think Kev brings up a good question.  I'm wondering why no one from Festool has weighed in on this discussion.  It seems we would all like to know if the current Kapex has been improved.  I'd hate to think the lack of a Festool response is an acknowledgement of a faulty product...

Hi
 Following and reading with interest - and as no one else has then I will.
To my knowledge nothing has been changed on the Kapex since launch 06/07 - I can ask the question but cannot guarantee I will get the information.
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« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2016, 05:48 PM »
Hi Phil I'd like you to ask the question as I am sure many many other member would as well.

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« Reply #82 on: February 16, 2016, 05:51 PM »
Hi Phil I'd like you to ask the question as I am sure many many other member would as well.

Hi
ok, I will email and ask. It can take a bit of time to get a reply, so be patient
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Offline galwaydude18

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« Reply #83 on: February 16, 2016, 05:53 PM »
Thanks Phil :-)

Offline Steve-Rice

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« Reply #84 on: February 16, 2016, 09:28 PM »
Thanks Phil.

Much appreciated,

Steve

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« Reply #85 on: February 16, 2016, 09:45 PM »
Hi
 Following and reading with interest - and as no one else has then I will.
To my knowledge nothing has been changed on the Kapex since launch 06/07 - I can ask the question but cannot guarantee I will get the information.
rg
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Probably nothing major, but I'm sure some things have changed.  Still, the burned up motor problem has been an issue in N. America pretty much from the beginning.
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Offline jmbfestool

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« Reply #86 on: February 19, 2016, 08:16 AM »
Just thought I'll give you all an update.

My dealer as you all know picked up my kapex the other day (See post #57, 11th Feb)

I called my dealer yesterday to see what's happening.

I was informed that festool have not picked up the kapex yet because they have ran out of kapex transport boxes. 

I was also told a loan kapex was being sent out for me to use while mine was being sent off but because they have no transport boxes they can't send me a loan kapex out.


That is all
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Offline Holmz

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« Reply #87 on: February 19, 2016, 08:27 AM »
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I was informed that the festool have not picked up the kapex yet because they have ran out of kapex transport boxes. 
...


W..T...F...?
 [eek]

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #88 on: February 19, 2016, 09:38 AM »
I was informed that the festool have not picked up the kapex yet because they have ran out of kapex transport boxes. 

I was also told a loan kapex was being sent out for me to use while mine was being sent off but because they have no transport boxes they can't send me a loan kapex out.

Wow...there seems to be a major run on the olde Kapex Transport Box.  [eek]

This development doesn't bode well for the present & future Kapex owner.  [dead horse]

Actually this is a rather macabre situation, plenty of armatures in stock but a shortage of shipping boxes. ???  [popcorn]

Offline jmbfestool

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« Reply #89 on: February 19, 2016, 02:29 PM »
I know!! Festool are not doing them selfs any favours

Annoying thing is I LOVE THE KAPEX!

I have looked around tried other saws in store.

Size, weight, ease of use,the portable stand  non can compare to a kapex.

 If I wasnt going to transport the chopsaw then I would 100% never buy a kapex again untill they fix the motor problem maybe.... Doubt full.
 I would highly recommend any other chopsaw for workshop only.

However for transporting its the best on the market and I need to transport it.

Aaaaaaaahaaahhh
 
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