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« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2007, 05:27 AM »

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I had a problem for about a month with my Rotex 150 FEQ. The speed was sometimes changing and when sanding on lower speed there were occasional short bursts to max. speed. I thought it was a problem of electronic. My Plug-it cord was locked. Yesterday my Rotex stopped and plug-it cable and the connector in Rotex burned. I am sure the cable was locked - turned to the right to outermost position. So there had to be clearance between the cord and the connector and arc discharge burned them.
I have next 5 plug-it cables. Some works normaly with my Rotex, some with interruptions and one cable works not at all. So there must be different clearances from factory and because the sander is vibrating and used in different positions it is most prone to such a thing.
I have ordered two connectors for my Rotex and am very dissapointed with such a problem. I thought it is a profi machine which stands heavy and roagh treatment.
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« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2007, 09:55 AM »

Here is what I did to remidy the problem.

http://www.forcemachinery.com/festoolmods.htm

Now my vacuum gets pulled not the cord which I think is safer anyhow.

I aggree though, I havenet had a problem but a better jack would of been nice. 
I do however love the plug it cord saves me a ton of tangles when switching between sanders.  I want to adapt all my other tools to plug it if I could only get the dang retrofit cord in the us.  Why festool can't import a simple plug is beyond me. I know UL BS but just put it through and make customers happy.
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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2007, 04:05 PM »

Programmergeek,

Specifically, what sleeve product did you use to wrap your 27mm Festool hose?  Do you have a similar recommendation for use with a 36mm Festool hose?  I visted Techflex's site, but soon found the number of choices overwhelming.  I find th external helical ribs of my Festool hoses frequently catch on various edges when in use - very annoying, at minimum, and sometimes interfering with precision of the cutting action.

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« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2009, 05:28 PM »

New tools are tight but it will become looser. I have never had a single problem with the plug it cord. I think it is a good idea you can have a cord attached to the vacuum hose and just change the tool with out needing to take the cord of the hose.
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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2009, 06:53 PM »

On more than one tool, I can't get a good enough grip on the cord to twist it "home" if I have the hose attached. I have just gotten in the habit of putting the cord on first.

It also helps to apply some dry lube.


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« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2009, 07:15 PM »

I love the plug it cords and will someday have almost every tool I have switched over!
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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2009, 09:06 AM »

I do like the plug-it cord and three of my tools have them.

But, I do not like the fact that the cords are not universal, that is Festool has (at least) two different connections on the machine end of the cord.  I found this out in a most akward way last autumn.  I took my LS 130 linear sander and my TS 75 circular saw to a firend's place half a days drive away to do so work and I only took one power cord -the one for the sander.  That cord would not work with my saw.  I had to use his Makita saw and that slowed things down quite a bit.
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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2009, 09:23 AM »

Same here. I am impressed and pleased with the ease of use the Plug-It system gives me. I also plan on fitting all my other tools with this thanks to the small extension you can buy and fit to non Plug-It tools.

I never had the problem of it coming loose from my Rotex. In fact, the first time I got the machine I had a very hard time to take it off. And it wasn't that easy to put it on again too. This got better over time, like people said above.

Nevertheless, I think the OP has a point when he says it is poorly designed. It feels a bit flimsy to me too, the plastic feels too weak and I am worried that if I use it too much  the connector might break. I do hope Festool will improve this design in the future with stronger plastic, a stronger connection and more of a snap-lock feel to it than what it has now.

Btw OP, you shouldn't pull too much on the cord, that is never a good thing. If you feel you need a bigger range you can get a longer 7,5 meter cord instead of the 4 meter standard cord.
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2009, 03:01 PM »

You know, the quick plug on my DeWalt routers do feel a lot stiffer and more expensive. That being said I have not had any Festool "plug its" break yet and I am rough on my tools.

Frank you are correct there are two and I am trying to change all mine over to the same type that are made for the higher amp tools like the TS 75. If you use the other with the plugs for the lesser amp units like you said they will not work and it can be a hassle.

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2009, 03:46 PM »

 I think the plug it cord is a great addition to the more modern Festool's. The Rotex though is more prone to problems due to the higher current draw. You really need to make sure the connectors are properly mated or you can burn out the plug.

What I really like about the system is it forces me to unplug the tool before replacing the blades.Back in the old days I used to be lazy with the Bosch jigsaw and wouldn't bother unplugging it.

As Frank mentioned it would be nice if Festool designed all tools with one cord in mind rather then having two different style connectors. Another option would be too color code the plug it cord and connector on the back of the tool to help identify which tool gets which cord.

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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2009, 03:50 PM »

I like the color-coding idea.

Another solution is to always use the high-current cord.


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« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2009, 08:49 PM »

I think the plug it cord is a great addition to the more modern Festool's. The Rotex though is more prone to problems due to the higher current draw. You really need to make sure the connectors are properly mated or you can burn out the plug.

What I really like about the system is it forces me to unplug the tool before replacing the blades.Back in the old days I used to be lazy with the Bosch jigsaw and wouldn't bother unplugging it.

As Frank mentioned it would be nice if Festool designed all tools with one cord in mind rather then having two different style connectors. Another option would be too color code the plug it cord and connector on the back of the tool to help identify which tool gets which cord.

Dan Clermont

I suspect Festool saves(or makes) money with the two cord system. The wiring is probably cheaper for the smaller amperage draw cords so they save on costs there and then they are able to sell more cords while simultaneously claiming safety, by making a two cord system. Pretty slick.

If you start changing over just try to make everything with the higher amp cords, it is what I am in the process of doing.
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« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2009, 11:13 PM »

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As Frank mentioned it would be nice if Festool designed all tools with one cord in mind rather then having two different style connectors. Another option would be too color code the plug it cord and connector on the back of the tool to help identify which tool gets which cord.

Dan Clermont
Dan, have now done exactly that with my plug it cords and tools that use them.  I'm really surprised that Festool did not think of doing this.
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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2009, 12:34 AM »

I like the one cord idea a lot.
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« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2009, 11:29 AM »

In Sweden we only have one type of Festool cords. Guess that is because we have 230VAC outlets and even the high power tools only requires at maximum 1.5mm^2 area. Probably they even go for a lower area because it is a limited, known cable length.
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I suspect Festool saves(or makes) money with the two cord system. The wiring is probably cheaper for the smaller amperage draw cords so they save on costs there and then they are able to sell more cords while simultaneously claiming safety, by making a two cord system. Pretty slick.

If you start changing over just try to make everything with the higher amp cords, it is what I am in the process of doing.

Given the high price of Festools, I really doubt that the cost difference is a significant factor.  I think more likely it is just a case of overengineering.  I too would be happy if they put the heavier plug-it on all the tools.

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« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2009, 01:53 PM »

Programmergeek,

Thanks for the link of the Gorilla braided shield.  What size of shrink tubing did you fit on the ends of the run?  Also, would you recommend the same size sheathing on the larger Festool 37mm hose?

I think this is a great solution.  I will run both styles of cord under the sheath and then color code the ends as well as the connection at the tool.  Use some sort of Velcro to keep the cord not in use out of the way.

Thanks for your post!
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« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2009, 02:06 PM »

The larger cord fits where the smaller one does so you really only need the large one.


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« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2009, 02:26 PM »

The larger cord fits where the smaller one does so you really only need the large one.


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I see, I am new to these tools.  Now that I think about it, you are correct. 

I was getting so frustrated with the cord as I invariably had the "wrong" cord.  I didn't stop to compare them and fished the correct one out of the appropriate systainer.
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« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2009, 03:45 PM »

As with all things Festool, there is a practical and logical reason for the three cord configurations:

1) The smallest cord is designed to work with lower amp machines like sanders...While you can use the larger plug-it cord with the smaller machine...the reverse is not true.  Using the smaller cord (more flexible) also offers the greatest flexibility when working with the tool.  Imagine trying to sand with a 12 gauge extension cord  (not very flexible).  You would end up fighting with the cord instead of focusing on the task at hand.

2) The larger cord is required for the higher amp consumption machines...UL approval requires it.  This is why you can not use the smaller cord with these machines.  It's the same reason the CTs come with the 20amp pigtail...

3) Non-Plug it cords are for machines that pull so much power that the plug it solution would not be practical....CT, OF2200 or Kapex running at maximum capacity as an example. 

I personally love the system, as it allows me to work without a lot of cords plugged into outlets, as well as not having to plug/unplug machines into my CT every time I change tools.

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« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2009, 03:51 PM »

I think FestoolMike is making a cord/hose one-piece assembly. The relative stiffness of the higher-current cord won't be an issue in that situation.


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« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2009, 05:32 PM »

The larger cord fits where the smaller one does so you really only need the large one.


Tom
Right you are.  I should have been able to figure that out  Embarrassed 

Now, if only I had taken the larger cord with me in the situation I described in reply #36 in this thread, I would not have had to resort to the use of a Makita saw.
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« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2009, 09:51 AM »

I think FestoolMike is making a cord/hose one-piece assembly. The relative stiffness of the higher-current cord won't be an issue in that situation.


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I will purchase one if for sale. I am having trouble getting the one Festool sells from across the pond.
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« Reply #53 on: March 12, 2009, 10:41 AM »

Nick,

You can use Techflex to create your own - http://www.techflex.com/prod_PTN.asp.

I have used this or similar products for years in the electronics field, and would be great for this application. 
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« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2009, 10:51 AM »

Yep I have the tech flex stuff. I have the yellow sock over the hose with two cords and shrink wrap at the ends. I have this on two boom arms. I wanted the Festool version for something else and to try it out.

By the time I use a festool AS hose and buy the sock and shrink wrap and it was a pain to get it just right, it cost as much or more than the Festool ready made.

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« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2009, 11:17 AM »

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it cost as much or more than the Festool ready made.

I bet you are right.  It has been a few years since I bought any, but the flex and the shrink wrap are both fairly expensive.

How does it work on the boom arms?  I have thought about trying the flex, but am still working out how I am going to setup my workflow.  When I am working in the shop, I switch between the 27mm and 36mm hose too often for it to be practical.
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« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2009, 04:26 PM »

As with all things Festool, there is a practical and logical reason for the three cord configurations:

1) The smallest cord is designed to work with lower amp machines like sanders...While you can use the larger plug-it cord with the smaller machine...the reverse is not true.  Using the smaller cord (more flexible) also offers the greatest flexibility when working with the tool.  Imagine trying to sand with a 12 gauge extension cord  (not very flexible).  You would end up fighting with the cord instead of focusing on the task at hand.

2) The larger cord is required for the higher amp consumption machines...UL approval requires it.  This is why you can not use the smaller cord with these machines.  It's the same reason the CTs come with the 20amp pigtail...

3) Non-Plug it cords are for machines that pull so much power that the plug it solution would not be practical....CT, OF2200 or Kapex running at maximum capacity as an example. 

I personally love the system, as it allows me to work without a lot of cords plugged into outlets, as well as not having to plug/unplug machines into my CT every time I change tools.

 Roll Eyes

Martin,
Thanks for the info!
Maybe you can help me on this:
As you mentioned we can use the higher amp, plug it cord on all Festool. So this morning I hooked up the TS55 cord up to my ETS 125, worked great! I then took the OF1400 power cord and connected it with my TS55 --nothing! Both plug it cords have the same specifications written on them... The cord in question works just fine when hooked up to the router. Any idea? Is there anything else you can tell us?

Thanks in advance!

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« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2009, 04:32 PM »

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it cost as much or more than the Festool ready made.

I bet you are right.  It has been a few years since I bought any, but the flex and the shrink wrap are both fairly expensive.

How does it work on the boom arms?  I have thought about trying the flex, but am still working out how I am going to setup my workflow.  When I am working in the shop, I switch between the 27mm and 36mm hose too often for it to be practical.

I am lucky enough to have one of each size hose always set up, one on each boom arm.  I have two hoses and 4 different extensions. The DeWalt routers use a quick plug set up so I have those with the Festool cords on each arm.

Yeah even just that shrink wrap is really expensive!
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« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2009, 04:33 PM »

As with all things Festool, there is a practical and logical reason for the three cord configurations:

1) The smallest cord is designed to work with lower amp machines like sanders...While you can use the larger plug-it cord with the smaller machine...the reverse is not true.  Using the smaller cord (more flexible) also offers the greatest flexibility when working with the tool.  Imagine trying to sand with a 12 gauge extension cord  (not very flexible).  You would end up fighting with the cord instead of focusing on the task at hand.

2) The larger cord is required for the higher amp consumption machines...UL approval requires it.  This is why you can not use the smaller cord with these machines.  It's the same reason the CTs come with the 20amp pigtail...

3) Non-Plug it cords are for machines that pull so much power that the plug it solution would not be practical....CT, OF2200 or Kapex running at maximum capacity as an example. 

I personally love the system, as it allows me to work without a lot of cords plugged into outlets, as well as not having to plug/unplug machines into my CT every time I change tools.

 Roll Eyes

Martin,
Thanks for the info!
Maybe you can help me on this:
As you mentioned we can use the higher amp, plug it cord on all Festool. So this morning I hooked up the TS55 cord up to my ETS 125, worked great! I then took the OF1400 power cord and connected it with my TS55 --nothing! Both plug it cords have the same specifications written on them... The cord in question works just fine when hooked up to the router. Any idea? Is there anything else you can tell us?

Thanks in advance!

Andreas

The cord I use on my TS75 fits all my tools.
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« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2009, 05:35 PM »

The photos below show two PlugIt cords and two receptacles.


This is the high-current cord. It is 16 Ga. SJO cord.




This is the low-current cord. It is 18 Ga. SJO cord. Notice that it also has an extra protuberance that the cord above doesn't.




This is the low-current receptacle (on a Domino). Notice that it has a keyway that corresponds to the protuberance above.




This is the high-current receptacle (on a TS 55). Notice the extra keyway is missing.




That key and keyway is what keeps the low-current cord from being plugged in to a tool that draws too much current for it. The high-current cord, however can be plugged into the low-current receptacles.

The OF 1400 cord and the TS 55 cord are the same, both are high-current cords.


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