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Offline Shadow

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1400 Router Pros and Cons
« on: February 20, 2017, 07:25 AM »
Considering purchasing Festool 1400 Router and CMS Router Table and would appreciate any comments Pros or Cons.

Thanks,

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Offline Vondawg

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2017, 08:14 AM »
Try the FOGs search..., it is full of great testimonies and examples....one of the best !
And from all over the world...YouTube has countless visuals of the router in action as well....
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline RL

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2017, 08:18 AM »
There are loads of pros, but it's biggest con is its inability to take large diameter bits without a work-around. Also, the OF2200's base switching is much easier than the OF1400's with all the screws involved.


Offline Holmz

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2017, 08:27 AM »
Considering purchasing Festool 1400 Router and CMS Router Table and would appreciate any comments Pros or Cons.

Thanks,

Pros: a good router for use outside of a router table.

Cons: you can get a PC router or a bunch of other routers with a lot more power... As well as a good lift like the Jessum for the same amount of money and have a better system for a exclusive table use.

You still may want the 1400 or a smaller router for hand held use, but for a table it is hard to beat raw power and a good lift.

Offline bobfog

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2017, 08:27 AM »
The pros are many, it's one of Festool's crown jewel tools. The only real shortcoming is the handle isn't to everyone's liking and some people  simply can't get used to it and revert to more traditional handled routers from other manufacturers.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2017, 08:36 AM »
I think it would be a waste to hide such a great tool under a router table when a simple PC motor will suffice in some great retail router tables. Unless you need the portability of the Festool router table, I just don't see the value.

I have all 3 Festool routers plus the little 700. The 1400 gets most of the usage.

I agree the 2200 is a better designed router, but it's a beast to handle. The 1010 is fun to use for light duty tasks, but its 1/4" shaft limitation is significant.
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Offline fignewton

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2017, 09:15 AM »
It's the smoothest running router I've used (including PC, Triton, Craftsman).  The dust collection is superb.  And the LR32 system for doing shelf pin holes is amazing.
TS55, MFT3+, OF1400, C12, CT-26, LR-32 system, Domino 500, RO125, MFK 700, Carvex w/ accsy, Sys-roll,  CXS, Kapex, UG with extensions, RO90

Offline ScotF

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2017, 10:07 AM »
It is a good router with power, smooth, versatile, etc. The DC is its weakness...shroud only works with smaller bits and seems like an after thought. DC on 1010 and 2200 is much, much better and works with all bits each can hold.

Offline Holmz

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2017, 04:41 PM »
It's the smoothest running router I've used (including PC, Triton, Craftsman).  The dust collection is superb.  And the LR32 system for doing shelf pin holes is amazing.

How does one use the LR32 with the router in a router table?
There is nothing amazing

Offline Iceclimber

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2017, 09:24 PM »
I dont see any cons. Its a great machine.

On the other hand i am not very frugal nor am i practical.

If we are taking performance and overall design its a ten..

If we are talking overall value well most all Festools dont much fit that criteria. Sure some more than others like my new Domino. Being Festool is the only one to make such a tool and the increase in productivity its unique or well not so unique but well improved design over a traditional biscuit machine its a exceptional value.

My oppinion is if you want the 1400 just purchase it. If you dint really have your heart set on the 1400 specifically most any rounter will probably make you happy.

 




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Offline fignewton

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2017, 12:23 PM »
It's the smoothest running router I've used (including PC, Triton, Craftsman).  The dust collection is superb.  And the LR32 system for doing shelf pin holes is amazing.

How does one use the LR32 with the router in a router table?
There is nothing amazing

since the LR32 depends on the holey rail, you obviously can't use it on a router table.  And compared to every other way I've tried to layout and drill shelf pins with other jigs for the past 20 years, it was amazing to me.
TS55, MFT3+, OF1400, C12, CT-26, LR-32 system, Domino 500, RO125, MFK 700, Carvex w/ accsy, Sys-roll,  CXS, Kapex, UG with extensions, RO90

Offline mcooley

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2017, 12:40 PM »
Pros: Great control, runs smooth, enough power and good power control, track friendly, etc.

Cons: No grip on the handle, no light, some parts like the router plate and dust shrouds are a bit cumbersome, depth gauge is mildly non-intuitive and plastic cam levers for tightening don't always feel robust (similar to Domino cam levers), etc.

Verdict: I actually like using it because of the control and ease of use despite some of the things I listed as drawbacks. But again, it's strength is away from the router table. I give it 8 out of 10 when compared out of the Festool line. In the Festool line I don't know because it's the only Festool router I own. 

Offline ear3

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2017, 04:57 PM »
Note too that Jesse makes a lift that fits the 1400, so you aren't necessarily locked into the cms

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Offline grbmds

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2017, 08:38 PM »
If you are going to use the 1400 merely as a table mounted router, I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a router/table combo. I purchased the Incra table/fence/lift/under table dust collection, and the PC motor for under table mounting. The whole setup is amazing. It's fairly easy to assemble, setup, and use and is extremely accurate both vertically and the fence. I looked at the Festool router table and have used it a couple of times in Festool classes. While the dust collection is probably the best, I don't like the fence. It can't compare to Incra for accuracy and precision. Also, the Incra table with either Incra's stand or one you would make yourself is much more solid than the Festool table. If you need to fold up the table and take it with you to job sites, then I'd say it may be the one for you. If you use in your shop exclusively, then I'd recommend the Incra combo.

The 1400 excels as a handheld router, so if that is what you will use it for, I can see no downsides. Dust collection is fantastic. It's accurate. It works on the guide rails and t hat is a great feature. Also, the lineup marks on the base of the router are for the center of the bit which allows easy setup to match your layout. I love it as a handheld router.
Randy

Offline Shadow

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2017, 03:03 PM »
Thanks for your information, since I plan to use the router in a table I decided to go with an Incra System.

Offline Holmz

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2017, 04:58 PM »
Thanks for your information, since I plan to use the router in a table I decided to go with an Incra System.

What router are you stuff in there?

Offline grbmds

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2017, 06:52 PM »
Thanks for your information, since I plan to use the router in a table I decided to go with an Incra System.

@Shadow For me, that was a great choice. Don't want to get the thread off track, but I wanted to be sure you understood about the router that you plan to use in the table. I don't think the OF1400 will work with the Incra (actually a Jessem I think) lift. It might, but I chose to buy the PC7518 motor that is sold on the Incra store site (incramentaltools.com). The Jessem lift is setup out of the box for that lift and mounts very easily.

If you compare prices, I would guess that you would find their site is probably at least as good as any other for Incra. Unless they changed their policy, the first purchase from them will result in 10% off their prices (if you sign up for their preferred customer list). The only problem is that their shipping costs are high and the 10% might just pay for shipping.
Randy

Offline grbmds

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2017, 11:35 PM »
Since I posted last I saw in another thread that Jessem does make a router lift that works with the OF1400. However, Incra doesn't list that router as one that can be mounted in their lift. This would be one thing you'd have to verify if you wanted to go with the OF1400. However, it is nice to have a router mounted in the table dedicated to the  table as it isn't that quick a job to mount and unmount the router.
Randy

Offline Holmz

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2017, 12:40 AM »
There are few good choices for the router table the PC is of them.

For hand held the 1400 makes more sense than using a 3HP/2kW beast of a router with less than optimal dust collection.

Stuffing the 1400 in the table makes no sense compared to using a beastly router with double the power.

You probably eventually need two routers anyhow, if we assume that one stays in the table and you also need a hand held one.
Luckily those two routers are not exactly the same.

Offline DiscoStu

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2017, 02:42 AM »
I have a 1400 and use it outside of a table and it's a great bit of kit. I have the Triton TRA001 in my table and that seems to be a sensible move. Very powerful and able to be adjust from above it's a great option but for anything outside of the table I use the 1400.


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Offline tyke

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2017, 03:07 AM »
Similar story for me to DiscoStu's - 1400 for outside the table and in my case a Dewalt 625 in the table with a Routerlift. The 1400 is a great and easy to use for handheld work. But for in a table you really want a bigger router to give best results. Unless you are only going to use a router occasionally I think having 2 for different types of work is the way to go. Swapping a router out of a table becomes a real pain after a while.


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Offline Kev

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2017, 03:19 AM »
Cons .. it's bigger than a 1010 and smaller than a 2200.
Pros .. it's bigger than a 1010 and smaller than a 2200.

In the Festool range the 1400 is the one router you buy to do most things.

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2017, 05:00 AM »
It's the Festool all rounder. If you can only have one, this is the one! However if you are going to use it on a router table look elswhere. A table router probably needs more power. There have been suggestions earlier in this  thread.
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Offline Shadow

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2017, 10:00 AM »
I have narrowed my choice of routers to 3 Routers, P. C. 892, P. C. 7518, or Triton 2-1/4 H.P, any suggestions to help narrow my choices.

Router Table 1st choice, Incra Wonder Fence With Positioner with Incra Lift, I like JessEm however it appears from reviews Customer Service is not a strong point after the sale.

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Offline waho6o9

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2017, 10:31 AM »
PC 7518

Offline grbmds

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2017, 01:59 PM »
I have narrowed my choice of routers to 3 Routers, P. C. 892, P. C. 7518, or Triton 2-1/4 H.P, any suggestions to help narrow my choices.

Router Table 1st choice, Incra Wonder Fence With Positioner with Incra Lift, I like JessEm however it appears from reviews Customer Service is not a strong point after the sale.

Thanks

@Shadow The PC7518 would be the most powerful of the 3 I think. I haven't found anything my 7518 motor (which I also bought from Incra out of convenience) won't do. I would also recommend some sort of under table dust collection or, at the very least, making something for mounting under the table. The fence mounted port on the Wonder Fence really is only effective if the bit is very close to or buried partially in the fence. If you are going to install under table dust collection I would also recommend the slotted inserts for the router lift plate. They improve airflow and, as a result, dust collection, significantly.

As far as I can tell the Incra Master Lift II is a Jessem lift. The Jessem lift appears identical to the Incra Master Lift II. I would also say that Incra's customer service is the best of any company I've ever dealt with. They always provide direct and useful answers to your questions either directly on the phone or within a day or less if a message is left. I only had one issue with a part on the Incra Combo I bought and Incra remedied it without problem and within a short period after I called.
Randy

Offline rst

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2017, 02:17 PM »
I've been using a Bench Dog lift with a PC 7518 in my self made 30 x 49 router table for the last 20 some years.  The Bench Dog lift is industrial quality cast iron with bronze bearings.  I added an Incra LS positioner and Wonderfence and Dust Router collection about six years ago.  The only upgrade I would even consider would be to switch to the Bench Dog cast iron table.  This would allow me to use the Magswitchs 400s that I use for stops and guides on my table saws.

Offline jdw101

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2017, 05:22 PM »
Thanks for your information, since I plan to use the router in a table I decided to go with an Incra System.

This was the choice I made, I use a PC motor and the Incra system and I have a 1400 and 1010 for handheld.  I wanted the CMS just to have it but in reality it seemed like it wasn't nearly as good as having a dedicated Incra table with a powerful motor.  Best of both worlds!

Offline Holmz

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2017, 06:23 PM »
I have narrowed my choice of routers to 3 Routers, P. C. 892, P. C. 7518, or Triton 2-1/4 H.P, any suggestions to help narrow my choices.
...

Finally an easy choice. I do not believe that the PC come in 230v so for me the Triton. And the Triton has its own lift of sorts, so without an Incra/Jessum lift then the Triton.

In the USA or Canada then the biggest PC that Incra recommends which is the 7518. If you stall that machine you are doing too much.

But any of those choices make more sense than the 1400 in a table.

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: 1400 Router Pros and Cons
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2017, 08:10 PM »
The Porter Cable 7519 comes in a 230V, it's one heck of a work horse.

I swear they had the 7518 in 230V, I can't find it online right now, but I thought my friend had one, Ill ring him up.

The PC 892 isn't a very good router, at least the 110Version isn't. I have them on a shelf and don't use them.
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