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Offline WarnerConstCo.

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21 questions with the CXS
« on: February 08, 2011, 06:04 PM »
Here it is, Festool's soon to be released compact drill.

It comes with 2 battery's (lithium ion), right angle chuck, a 3/8" keyless chuck and the standard Centrotec chuck.

Before going any farther, I want to make it known that I really despise compact drills/drivers.  I have had all of them at some point and time and have either given them away or sold them.  I also DO NOT own a single lithium battery tool.  I do not like lithium here where it gets cold.  I do not like having to keep battery's warm.

I took some comparison pictures of the CXS to my C-12.

I have not used this drill too much, although it works great for running in pocket screws and other remedial screwing and driving tasks.
I have left it at home for the Mrs. to use though. [big grin]

I need to find my small mixing paddle and see how it does mixing some mud or mortar.

Again, I will be putting this review together with all of you guys in mind.  

I want you to ask any question you may have about the CXS.  

I will try and answer each one.  Enough idle chat, time for pictures.


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Offline GhostFist

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 06:27 PM »
Mixing mortar with it?? I don't expect much from that except a good laugh. Interesting to see it's actually longer than the C12, how does it compare power wise? You said you weren't a fan of compact drills but I'd like to know how fast it drives screws compared to other wee uns.

Offline ScotF

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2011, 10:11 PM »
The right angle chuck looks different - are the other chucks interchangeable  between the different drills -- i.e. you have this kit and then buy a drill only?  How is the power on this drill?  How has the Lithium stood up to the winter this year?

Scot

Offline Tim Morris

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2011, 10:25 PM »
The right angle attachment is specific to this drill. The other Centrotec attachment  will work with the exception of the Fast Fix depth stop. The key less chuck is only 8mm compared to 13mm on the other drills.

Offline Tim Morris

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2011, 10:30 PM »
Darcy or Shane I'll add to the questions. Has the price point been established on this product yet. Just curious.

Offline PeterK

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2011, 08:50 AM »
My experience with the Festool NiCad batteries showed that they were so far superior to others - discharged extremely slowly on the shelf, long life. I wonder if the Lithium Ions that Festool are using are also better. Would love to see a test of the batteries strength and life based upon temperature changes - shop use versus outdoor.

Cute driver. Not very tall but longer than the current offerings. Not sure that I see a benefit to this driver at this time. I have 10.8 volt drivers from Bosch and Makita now that work very well.

Offline Jesse Cloud

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2011, 09:41 AM »
I guess my basic question is what is the darned thing for?  Doesn't look much smaller than the other Festool drills, so what can it do that the others can't.

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 10:44 AM »
I guess my basic question is what is the darned thing for?  Doesn't look much smaller than the other Festool drills, so what can it do that the others can't.

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Offline jonny round boy

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2011, 11:17 AM »
I guess my basic question is what is the darned thing for?  Doesn't look much smaller than the other Festool drills, so what can it do that the others can't.

The main advantages of the CXS over, say the C12 are one; weight (0.9kg for the CXS, 1.3kg for the C12); and two; PRICE.

The first is an advantage in a production environment, where you might be holding the drill for literally hours at a time. Everything gets heavy-feeling eventually, and the CXS is 1/3rd lighter.

The second is an advantage for new Festool customers (at least, that's what I think Festool thinks!). For someone not used to Festool, the initial sticker-shock is reduced (the CXS is around half the cost of the C12). Sure you don't get the electronic clutch, offset chuck etc., but a new Festool user wouldn't be expecting those anyway as they're not available on any other manufacturer's products.
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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2011, 02:46 PM »
I guess my basic question is what is the darned thing for?  Doesn't look much smaller than the other Festool drills, so what can it do that the others can't.
...advantage for new Festool customers (at least, that's what I think Festool thinks!). For someone not used to Festool, the initial sticker-shock is reduced (the CXS is around half the cost of the C12).

Dead on the money here.  I think these new tools, especially some @ lower price points, like the CXS, can mean big things for all of us.  The bigger Fes grows and the larger the market it appeals to, the quicker will see new products, improvements, etc.  Tell your friends boys!  A "cheap" Festool!!
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Offline Michael_MA

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2011, 08:04 PM »
I guess my basic question is what is the darned thing for?  Doesn't look much smaller than the other Festool drills, so what can it do that the others can't.

Hi Jesse,

not sure, if you remember our long discussion in here but i'm sure the pictures are convincing.  Two of them show the CXS and the C12 on a scale, so thats the real weight.
I have one in Service and i'm real glad to have it, since lots of stuff can very well be done with the CXS, where you usually would grab your Cxx or Txx Drill..

kind regards, Mike
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Offline batmanrobin

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2011, 08:54 PM »
My opinion is that I would just as soon see Festool not worry about cheaper tools so anyone can afford them.  That is one reason why I prefer them, because of the quality. Too many companies go the way of making them affordable and then we get Cheap tools.  I don't want cheap tools that don't last. If I can't afford them I don't buy them, or wait till I have the funds to buy them.
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Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2011, 09:04 PM »
My opinion is that I would just as soon see Festool not worry about cheaper tools so anyone can afford them.  That is one reason why I prefer them, because of the quality. Too many companies go the way of making them affordable and then we get Cheap tools.  I don't want cheap tools that don't last. If I can't afford them I don't buy them, or wait till I have the funds to buy them.
   Festool continue to produce good quality tools and give me great service and let other companies produce for the rest!  Thank you

Who said the CXS is gonna be cheap??  Less expensive than the other Festool drills, yes.  Cheap, I doubt it.
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Offline batmanrobin

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2011, 09:10 PM »
Didn't mean specifically CXS . Just the comments about Festools being too much.

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2011, 09:14 PM »
Didn't mean specifically CXS . Just the comments about Festools being too much.

Yeah, I understand and I share your thoughts.  My point is Festool isn't doing that with this drill so no one needs to worry, yet.
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Offline USPcompact

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2011, 09:17 PM »
I really want a Festool drill, and the CXS seems like a great entry option, but I'm already pretty heavily invested in the Milwaukee M12 system.  I've got the Hackzall (possibly my favorite tool of all time), drill driver, screwdriver, impact driver, right angle driver, laser level, and a couple of flashlights.  I've got 10 batteries or so, and maybe 5 chargers.  This is in addition to all the 18V Makita LXT stuff I've got.   [eek]

So, all that said, is the CXS enough of a step up from what I've got already to warrant the space in the truck?  

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2011, 09:24 PM »
I really want a Festool drill, and the CXS seems like a great entry option, but I'm already pretty heavily invested in the Milwaukee M12 system.  I've got the Hackzall (possibly my favorite tool of all time), drill driver, screwdriver, impact driver, right angle driver, laser level, and a couple of flashlights.  I've got 10 batteries or so, and maybe 5 chargers.  This is in addition to all the 18V Makita LXT stuff I've got.   [eek]

So, all that said, is the CXS enough of a step up from what I've got already to warrant the space in the truck?  

Doesn't sound like it to me, although I'm basing that on no hands on experience with the CXS.  The only thing I see you gaining are the right angle and Centrotec chucks.
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Offline USPcompact

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2011, 09:36 PM »
I really want a Festool drill, and the CXS seems like a great entry option, but I'm already pretty heavily invested in the Milwaukee M12 system.  I've got the Hackzall (possibly my favorite tool of all time), drill driver, screwdriver, impact driver, right angle driver, laser level, and a couple of flashlights.  I've got 10 batteries or so, and maybe 5 chargers.  This is in addition to all the 18V Makita LXT stuff I've got.   [eek]

So, all that said, is the CXS enough of a step up from what I've got already to warrant the space in the truck?  

Doesn't sound like it to me, although I'm basing that on no hands on experience with the CXS.  The only thing I see you gaining are the right angle and Centrotec chucks.

C'mon, you're supposed to push me the other direction.   [blink]

But yeah, I pretty much agree.  I can't see that I'd gain that much, and would only add some headache by putting it in the truck.  That's another charger and another set of bits.

That said, I do think it might be an excellent option to leave in the shop as a dedicated shop drill.  If I had the CXS, I wouldn't have to worry about unpacking my other stuff to do some shop work, and then forgetting to pack it back up when I'm done. 

See, that wasn't hard.   [big grin]

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2011, 10:03 PM »
It is in no way a cheap/poorly built tool.
It is a very well thought out compact drill.

It has the most feature's of any compact and seems to
Be built like a full size drill.

It is really light and the bit holder is a nice touch.

Right now I am seeing how many roofing nails I can get
From a full charge.  [big grin]

Offline RL

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2011, 10:23 PM »
It probably also has a place for those people who have a bunch of centrotec accessories and want a second Festool drill, but who do not need a second powerful drill.

Much of Festool's system approach and product line is aimed at people who already own one Festool.

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2011, 11:09 PM »
I am very excited for this drill!  Very interested on battery life and price also. I use the C-12 NIMH and the Li-Ion T-12...looking for that nice little go to drill!!!!  May can't come soon enough!!!
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Offline Dan1210

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2011, 03:54 PM »
Hey warner, we had the little bosch on one of our installs, it was a joke it went back to the dealers straight away! I have been looking at one of these for cabinet installs (kitchen fitting) would you reccomend it? Does it perform much better than anything else comparable on the market? Its seems there are only a few reviews out there at the moment but i would love to hear a contractors opinion from everyday use...

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Offline DScott

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2011, 08:32 PM »
My opinion is that I would just as soon see Festool not worry about cheaper tools so anyone can afford them.  That is one reason why I prefer them, because of the quality. Too many companies go the way of making them affordable and then we get Cheap tools.  I don't want cheap tools that don't last. If I can't afford them I don't buy them, or wait till I have the funds to buy them.
   Festool continue to produce good quality tools and give me great service and let other companies produce for the rest!  Thank you
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Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2011, 01:02 PM »
Like I said, I don't like compact drills but, this is probably going to be the best one that I have used or owned.

Just used it today for hanging some TV's.

I can't really attest to battery life, I have only had to charge 2 battery's in the last few months.

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2011, 01:47 PM »
Hey warner, we had the little bosch on one of our installs, it was a joke it went back to the dealers straight away! I have been looking at one of these for cabinet installs (kitchen fitting) would you reccomend it? Does it perform much better than anything else comparable on the market? Its seems there are only a few reviews out there at the moment but i would love to hear a contractors opinion from everyday use...

Regards daniel.

I don't know which compact Bosch but the older 12v(10.8v) are very weak I have done a video test on fog showing power difference between the Bosch and makita drill the makita kicks ! But the makita has poor batterie life if your using it alot you properly would have to buy a new batterie before the end of the year as a few of my mates have found out.  I have been told the newer Bosch impact and driver have more power with the same batteries I don't know if that's true.

I have had a feel and a little play with the CXS it's odd how a drill can feel so light when you first pick it up. It has alot power for it's size I just don't know how long the batterie lasts. It's not that expensive really £209+ if you compare it to other brands they are like £120-£160.  

BUT remember with festool you get

Good service
3 warranty including batteries the other brands do not do this
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You have an angle chuck which makes it brilliant for getting into even smaller places. So you are saving money by not needing to buy a cordless angle drill.

So really the CXS works out to be the same price   CXS = Driver drill+ angle drill =£209

I own the T15 so I see no need to buy CXS as i have no issue with the weight of my drill so no benefits for me getting the CXS but if you don't own C or T drills and don't wanna spend a lot the CXS is a good first choice but if you can afford i would recommend the T15


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Offline Dan1210

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2011, 02:56 PM »
Hey jmb, i had a little play with it at my dealers and wasnt too impressed, granted the festool warranty is fantastic as most other drills ive had died after 2 years, i currently use the panasonic EY 7540 14v 3.3ah impact driver and panasonic EY 7441 drill both are fantastic tools really impressed had them just over a year, i looked at the t15 drill you mentioned at my dealer and was surprised how heavy it is, im thiking of getting a festool drill soon just out of lust rather than need and i think the c12 li would suit my needs best, i think if i were to get the cxs i would always want the c12, hopefully we can get some good reviews soon and see if this baby can perform on the job...
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Offline Jack Parks

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2011, 04:02 PM »
I had a chance to play with this drill today and it is definitely on my list to get when it becomes available.  In my opinion, it will be a great tool for installation work and for driving pocket hole screws.  I already have a C12 and this new drill is quite a bit smaller and and lighter and appears to have plenty of power.  I was told the price should be $225 for just the drill and $275 for the kit.

Offline Dan1210

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2011, 04:51 AM »
Right, ive just ordered one of these to try out for myself, mainly because i have no right angle drill and i may aswell go this route and get two for the price of one, if you like, i allready have 2x14.4v 3.3 amp panasonics that i use mainly but i want this for kitchen installation and light duties, i have a medium kitchen installation starting thursday and will be using this for the job and will report back on its performance for driving screws,drilling and battery life. looking forward to this!.

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Offline GhostFist

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Re: 21 questions with the CXS
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2011, 06:22 AM »
Ya me too, I plan on snagging one once they're available here. Would like to see some comparison vids of it driving screws and drilling in comparison to a standard 18v and to competitors in its class. I've been using the wee 10v drill fairly extensively in film, probably over using them as i have yet to own one that has lasted longer than a year. The reason I like these compact guys is their light weight and portability. They fit in your pouch, if you're so inclined to wear one, heck they even fit in your pocket though the C handle design on this model will undoubtedly prevent that, belt clip to make up for it though. Compact drills are great on sets and locations as we're mainly driving 1 1/4 screws into pine and can quite often be on a ladder doing work or a scissor lift. Studios can get rather large and you can find yourself running all over doing jobs, if you've put your drill down cause it was bugging you hanging off your belt and now have to go find it, it's a waste of time. So ya compacts work well for me and I'm hoping this one lasts.