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Offline mwbrewster

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7.5m plug it cord
« on: May 25, 2018, 11:38 PM »
I just received the 7.5m plug it cord.  I ordered it because I joined two stock 3.5m hoses for a longer reach and I like to wrap the plug it along the length of the hose (as I'm sure a lot of you do as well).  Does anyone have any horror stories running various tools with this longer cord (i.e. voltage drop over the longer run, burning motors out, etc..)?  I feared using a 3rd party extension cord would negate the respective warantees should anything go wrong.

Thanks in advance. Matt.

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Offline TinyShop

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2018, 12:42 AM »
Two points:

1) were it even an issue (which it's not) how, pray tell, would Festool ever know you were using a third party accessory (like an extension cord) unless, that is, you were to blabber about it; and

2) as was recently pointed out elsewhere on this forum, it's illegal in the U.S.A for a manufacturer to deny a warranty claim based on a consumer's use of a third party accessory.

Offline Joe Felchlin

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2018, 09:55 AM »
Matt:
In regard to your longer Plug It Cord: If Festool made it...
So it should be “good to go” with any Festool tool.

TinyShop is correct with both of his points.
So again... “Good to Go”.

I’ve used 25’ (reaching the length of my shop) and shorter, extension cords -
With all of my 110V tools (Festool and otherwise) - For years - With no problems.
Including my PC7518 Router, my Powermatic Band Saw, and my Bosch 5412L Miter Saw.
But...
I don’t use the common/cheaper 14 Gauge cords.
I use the heavier 12 Gauge cords.
Over 25’ (and the length of the tool’s cord) - They carry the amps/voltage.

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Offline mwbrewster

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2018, 01:41 PM »
Two points:

1) were it even an issue (which it's not) how, pray tell, would Festool ever know you were using a third party accessory (like an extension cord) unless, that is, you were to blabber about it;

Guilty conscious I guess, naive i know.

Offline RustE

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7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2018, 02:20 PM »
I went through a similar debate.

After discussing with a friend, we concluded that the 7.5m 16g plug-it cord is sufficient for the 1200w motor on the HK55EQ when plugged directly into an outlet.  We also thought that the 10m plug-it cord should be 14g instead of 16g.

As previously mentioned, most of my general purpose extension cords are 12g with lengths of 10ft or 25ft.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2018, 02:25 PM by RustE »

Offline aloysius

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2018, 02:23 PM »
Voltage drop is only an issue when one or more of the following scenarios is in play:
(a)  the cord is crap;  i.e. < 1mm squared cross sectional area for longer cables, 0.75mm for shorter.
(b)  the cord is too long;  > 30m (100')+.  I've seen some twice that (albeit 2.5mm) that still function well.
(c)  you're trying to force too much juice through;  >10A @ 240v or 20A @ 110.

None of these conditions apply here, so it's only academic really.  I challenge you or anybody else to notice the difference in performance blindfolded irrespective of the tool connected.

The only tool where those higher 110v currents are an issue is with that rather disappointing KS120, which suffers from puny motor windings.  As this doesn't utilise the plug-it hose, again it's irrelevant.

Voltage drop from a dodgy plug-it connection is much more likely to be an issue than from a "mere" 7.5m of cable.

You can actually feel when voltage drop is an issue:  the cables, connectors, whatever become warm to the touch in the places where current flow becomes restricted.
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Offline Coen

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2018, 07:52 AM »
Voltage drop is only an issue when one or more of the following scenarios is in play:
(a)  the cord is crap;  i.e. < 1mm squared cross sectional area for longer cables, 0.75mm for shorter.
(b)  the cord is too long;  > 30m (100')+.  I've seen some twice that (albeit 2.5mm) that still function well.
(c)  you're trying to force too much juice through;  >10A @ 240v or 20A @ 110.

(a) depends on current
(b) Again a function of current and cross section. 10m at 1mm2 equals 25m at 2,5mm2.
(c) No idea why you double the current for 110V in relation to "too much". The voltage drop of 20A at 110V will be double compared to 10A at 240V, or four times bigger relative to nominal voltage (at 230 v 115). That's why in Europe we don't have this problem nearly as much as all currents are half for the same power. We also only have one type of Plug It cable, as everything just runs perfectly fine off of 1mm2.

OT; oh wow, didn't know they have a 10m cord now. I bought a 7.5mm years ago when they didn't offer 10m.

Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2018, 04:23 AM »
I have used the 10m cord a few times, ended up getting the 7.5 as it hits the sweet spot for a longer cord. Never had an issue with the 10m plug it - regardless of which tool was used. The largest I used was TS75 doing some long ripping cuts in 60mm thick material.The TS75 sailed through and no lights were flickering in the room during the cutting. ;)

Also did some routing with a large Bosch router with the 10m cord, no problems at all. (Yes, did PlugIt the Bosch). That router was 1400/1600W if I remember right.
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Offline Coen

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2018, 07:56 PM »
The largest I used was TS75 doing some long ripping cuts in 60mm thick material.The TS75 sailed through and no lights were flickering in the room during the cutting. ;)

 [huh]

You know that "no lights were flickering" is easier achieved with a cheap cable that effectively funtions as a voltage (and thus current-) limiter, right? A thick cable will have lower losses; the tool sees a higher voltage and maximum current by fixed resistance equals higher maximum current. Higher maximum current will increase voltage losses elsewhere in the system. My brother once had a cheap angle grinder. When used with a cheap long thin-wire extension cord, it would run fine. Used with a nice 2.5mm2 extension cord it's inrush current would often trip the B16 circuit breaker.

Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2018, 04:22 PM »
Yes, I was just trying to be funny...

Point was that the cords sold by Festool are withing specs - by some margin - for the intended purpose and use of the machines.

...except for the Kapex 120 sold in the US... ;)
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2018, 01:18 PM »
I have this power cord and it performs flawlessly.  My only "issue" is that it might be too long at times.  Gets caught on stuff on occasion. 

Offline rst

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2018, 05:22 PM »
Back in the 80's before the plethora of cordless, I used to replace all my tool cords with 20' extensions and installed the drill hooks that came on industrial B&D drills.  I did commercial glazing and automatic door installs and the vestibules would look like a bowl of spaghetti.  I would plug into 10 ga extension cords that I made myself as often we were often 100' away from a feed in a new installation.  I have at least 15 power tools in my van now and none are corded...I finally took out my 35 year old Milwaukee hammerdrill as I now use the 18v Milwaukee rotary hammer.  The only corded power tool I use on site now is a 35 year old Hilti TE-72 for the really big stuff.

Offline IndyMike

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2018, 07:46 PM »
I have two of the 36mm hoses but I can’t figure out for the life of me how to attach them together. Hmmm.
Mike

Offline Corwin

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2018, 10:12 PM »
I have two of the 36mm hoses but I can’t figure out for the life of me how to attach them together. Hmmm.

As I understand it, the latest new hoses will connect together. But, for your older hoses you have two choices; use a Suction Adapter between your hoses or replace the tool-end fitting with a vacuum-end fitting and connect with a Hose Connector. The Suction Adapter is NOT an antistatic fitting, so that option will negate the antistatic aspect of your hoses. The Hose Connector option means having to remove and replace one of your hose's tool-end fittings. Kind of makes a case for the new hoses...
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline IndyMike

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2018, 11:32 PM »
I do have two of the new hoses - maybe I’m just being too ginger with it.
Mike

Offline IndyMike

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2018, 05:38 PM »
I'm trying to find the 7.5m cord compatible with a TS 55.  I see that there is one with a European style plug, but I need one with a USA style plug.  Anybody have the part number for this?  Does it exist?

I got the 7.0m 36mm hose and would like to have a power cord to match without having to use an extension cord, if possible - so that I can put my CT36 near where I start my cut and not have to worry about running out of cord.

I don't like the idea of using an extension cord because my luck is that it will pull out - and if I connect it in such a way it can't pull out it will catch on the end of the work/table/deflector/etc.

Right now what I'm doing is plugging the saw in towards the middle of my cut and triggering my CT manually with the BT remote - but prefer to just plug it into the CT and use a longer cord.
Mike

Offline aloysius

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2018, 06:58 PM »
I'm trying to find the 7.5m cord compatible with a TS 55.  I see that there is one with a European style plug, but I need one with a USA style plug.  Anybody have the part number for this?  Does it exist?

I got the 7.0m 36mm hose and would like to have a power cord to match without having to use an extension cord, if possible - so that I can put my CT36 near where I start my cut and not have to worry about running out of cord.

I don't like the idea of using an extension cord because my luck is that it will pull out - and if I connect it in such a way it can't pull out it will catch on the end of the work/table/deflector/etc.

Right now what I'm doing is plugging the saw in towards the middle of my cut and triggering my CT manually with the BT remote - but prefer to just plug it into the CT and use a longer cord.

So why can't you exchange plugs on your cord?  Can't you get replacement local plugs from your corner hardware store? It would be a task of mere moments to change, with all requisite instructions contained within.
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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2018, 07:19 PM »
I'm trying to find the 7.5m cord compatible with a TS 55.  I see that there is one with a European style plug, but I need one with a USA style plug.  Anybody have the part number for this?  Does it exist?

I got the 7.0m 36mm hose and would like to have a power cord to match without having to use an extension cord, if possible - so that I can put my CT36 near where I start my cut and not have to worry about running out of cord.

I don't like the idea of using an extension cord because my luck is that it will pull out - and if I connect it in such a way it can't pull out it will catch on the end of the work/table/deflector/etc.

Right now what I'm doing is plugging the saw in towards the middle of my cut and triggering my CT manually with the BT remote - but prefer to just plug it into the CT and use a longer cord.

The part number for the electrical cord you are searching for appears to be 490657.  Yes the pictures on the website show the European illustrations and that is an error.

Peter

Offline IndyMike

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Re: 7.5m plug it cord
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2018, 07:55 PM »
The part number for the electrical cord you are searching for appears to be 490657.  Yes the pictures on the website show the European illustrations and that is an error.

Peter
Awesome!  Thanks!

Is it silly that I'm excited about a power cord? :P.
Mike