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Offline Peter Parfitt

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2018, 10:36 AM »
Hi Ron

I am going to borrow a CT VA from Festool UK. I assume that they are already in high demand and so my video may take a little while to come. I think that the key thing to remember with Festool kit is that they do their best to make new kit integrate with existing kit even it is just the ability to use the same hoses or fit one systainer on another.

An Oneida DD cyclone is going to be 300-400 mm from top to bottom for the 62 mm model. It appears that the Festool cyclone is going to be much flatter as it sits inside a systainer. I do not know if this will affect its efficiency but will try and report on this once I can play with one.

Peter

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2018, 10:41 AM »
I’ve already told my local dealer I want a cyclone and put my name on one. :-)
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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2018, 10:49 AM »
Yah I can do that. The clear bin on the CT Cyclone is 5.3 gallon and you can buy extra ether single or a three pack.
I can't do the video this weekend my wife has that all planed out for me. LOL !!!!
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2018, 11:08 AM »
Recipe for performance test.

CT vac
CT Cyclone
Dust Deputy (identify style)
2 new main filters
2 new dust bags
Digital scale
Track saw
MDF

Weigh bags and dust bins

Install new main filter and bag in CT vac
Attach CT Cyclone
Make 20 long rips in MDF
Weigh bin and bag to find net weight of debris in each

Install new main filter and bag in CT vac
Attach Dust Deputy
Make 20 long rips in MDF
Weigh bin and bag to find net weight of debris in each

Post results for smarter people than me to analyze

Offline M.András

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2018, 12:33 PM »
Recipe for performance test.

CT vac
CT Cyclone
Dust Deputy (identify style)
2 new main filters
2 new dust bags
Digital scale
Track saw
MDF

Weigh bags and dust bins

Install new main filter and bag in CT vac
Attach CT Cyclone
Make 20 long rips in MDF
Weigh bin and bag to find net weight of debris in each

Install new main filter and bag in CT vac
Attach Dust Deputy
Make 20 long rips in MDF
Weigh bin and bag to find net weight of debris in each

Post results for smarter people than me to analyze

i would suggest testing it with mineral dust, brick or concrete, or just any powdered cement based product or gypsum in powder form, if that fine dust is separated fully and from a bucket worth of dust no discoloration can be seen inside the white bag then it can be considered good

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2018, 04:52 PM »
If these tests can be done then a group of typical tradesmen, who have to travel with their kit to a job site, need to be asked to vote on the better system not just based on any dust separation figures but also on the easy of use and portability. It may be that one system will be preferred even though it is 1% less effective at dust separation.

Peter

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2018, 05:09 PM »
My educated guess on MDF dust collection: DD 99%, CT Cyclone 90%.

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2018, 05:21 PM »
One thing I can say, Is this Cyclone has certainly sparked some interest. I havent seen this much interest in a new tool/accessory in quite a while.

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2018, 06:17 PM »
If these tests can be done then a group of typical tradesmen, who have to travel with their kit to a job site, need to be asked to vote on the better system not just based on any dust separation figures but also on the easy of use and portability. It may be that one system will be preferred even though it is 1% less effective at dust separation.

Peter
Could not of said it better !!!!!!!!
Don Ware
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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2018, 06:40 PM »
The more tidy hose arrangement on Festool's new separator will be beneficial to those that use there tools in their shop too, not just those out in the field. There have been more than a few times that I wished that the hose going from the front of my CT up to the top of my early ClearVue cyclone was much less intrusive. Just saying'. It will be interesting to see a side-to-side comparison that addresses the various aspects of these 'cyclone' separators.
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2018, 07:22 PM »
I bet even if the CT “Cyclone” is 10% less effective than the Dust Deputy it will still sell twice as many as the Ultimate Dust Deputy.

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2018, 11:53 PM »
I bet even if the CT “Cyclone” is 10% less effective than the Dust Deputy it will still sell twice as many as the Ultimate Dust Deputy.

I bet you're right.  [smile]
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2018, 01:37 PM »
One thing that looks nice is it looks like, if you wanted, you could still put another systainer on top of the Cyclone.  I imagine it'd become pain when you wanted to empty the bin - but doable none-the-less.
Mike

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2018, 05:31 PM »
I have a UDD and it travels with me to my job sites. Generally, I am set up for a week or more on my sites, so my experience may not be as impactful to this discussion as those who set up multiple times per week.

Suffice to say, I don’t mind transporting my UDD vs the FT cyclone. From the pictures, the FT appears to be as bulky as the UDD, so for me that does not make a difference. I will say that the connection between the UDD tower and collection box does concern me, so I am careful when handling it.

At this point, the FT version would have to far outperform the UDD in order for me to buy it.
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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2018, 07:25 PM »
I have a UDD and it travels with me to my job sites. Generally, I am set up for a week or more on my sites, so my experience may not be as impactful to this discussion as those who set up multiple times per week.

Suffice to say, I don’t mind transporting my UDD vs the FT cyclone. From the pictures, the FT appears to be as bulky as the UDD, so for me that does not make a difference. I will say that the connection between the UDD tower and collection box does concern me, so I am careful when handling it.

At this point, the FT version would have to far outperform the UDD in order for me to buy it.

Somehow I think that the essentially Festool try it for yourself warranty (30 days here in NA but different in other parts of the world) will be a perfect situation.  I might be trying it myself.

Peter

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2018, 09:14 PM »
I already have the UDD too. Don’t think I’ll be able to justify replacing it with the CT Cyclone even if it performs better than the UDD, which is unlikely.

If I were buying my first Cyclone I think the CT version would be a no-brainer.

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2018, 02:01 AM »
I am just running the CT at this point in time, but I think the Festool separator would work well for me particularly when routing.

I think one consideration that needs to be taken into account is what people are using already. If you have the UDD you'll be unlikely to change but if you are in the market for a solution then the comparisons suggested above will bear more weight imho.
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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2018, 02:53 PM »
I still don't have a Dust Deputy to test with. But in this video I vacuum up 25 pounds of saw dust then weigh the bag and cut it open to see what's inside
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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2018, 06:38 PM »
Good job Don. That pretty much tells the story.

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2018, 08:40 PM »
And if ANYONE in Los Angeles has a Dust deputy and want's to bring it by, I will make the time and do the same test with the same saw dust, Same CT Head to Head !!!! We all want to see it !!!!!
Don Ware
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Culver City, California