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Offline Dan Clark

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Boom Arm Review
« on: March 02, 2007, 11:00 PM »
Hi.  This is my third and last review today - the Boom Arm Review.   If you've looked at the other two, you'll see that the Depth Stop Chuck and the Host Garage reviews were different.   And this is a different review from those to.  With the Depth Stop Chuck, my reaction was "Yeee Haaa!!!  Is this thing wonderful or WHAT!?!".  With the Hose Garage, my reaction was that it's a nice accessory.   But the Boom Arm...

It's a different animal.   At first, with the lack of documentation, I was irritated.  And I had the boom pointed toward the wall.  So, I kept hitting things and I struggled with it.   Then I moved the boom to the right side and installed the hose clamp.  Better, but still not great.   But then...

I thought, "Hey stupid, turn it around!"   So now it's turned 180 degrees and here it sits:



So all day yesterday (I took Friday off) and today I worked on the bathroom, cleaning, straightening up, installing sheet rock, all sorts of mundane things.  I didn't think about the Boom Arm much.  Or the CT22!   Or cleaning up!   And that's the point...

They all faded into the background!  My work space got easier to work with.   Messes were much easier to clean up.    No more tripping on or fooling with hoses and cords!    My work space got cleaner.   The work was easier.   And all I did with it was to use it as a vacuum.   I haven't even had the opportunity to use it as a DC! 

It's not that I get a massive emotional charge out of the Boom Arm.  I don't say, "Wow, what a tool!"   It's just that it makes my life easier.  Here are my two favorite pics of the Boom Arm:


And


In the first pic, I just got finished vacuuming sheet rock dust off of the MFT.   Notice the Boom Arm just hangin' there.   No cords and hoses to trip over.  IT IS SITTING PATIENTLY, WAITING TO BE USED. 

Now take a look at the second pic.   They look the same don't they?    Not quite.  To take a better pic, I swatted the hose with my hand and it swung to the mid point of it's arc OUT OF THE WAY.   No effort involved.  No thought.  No planning.  Just a hand swat.

If I wanted, I could have tossed (literally) the hose another 2-3 feet farther towards the far wall.   Again, no thought.  No effort.  NO INTERUPTION OF MY WORK FLOW OR THINKING!

Are your starting to get it?  It's like that comfy pair of old shoes that FIT your feet perfectly.   You don't think how great they are; they are just part of your life.

Here's my favorite feature pic of the Boom Arm:



I'll bet you're thinking something like "Huh?".   Take a good close look.   You can see the hose and wire being held out of the way, but take a look at the plastic thing...   That's the bearing that the Boom Arm swings on.  SMOOTHLY!  The little silver screw controls the motion.   Those two little black knobs?   If you remove them, the Boom Arm breaks down and can be stored so that's only about 3-4 feet tall.   And what you can't see...

If you remove the two black knobs and lift out the top half of the Boom Arm, you'll see the inside of the bottom half of the Boom Arm.    If you stick your finger in that hole, you'll feel smoooooooth.   The INSIDE of the Boom Arm is glass smooth.   Combined with the plastic bearing that you see, the smooth inside contributes to an almost effortless movement of the Boom Arm.  Which is one of the reasons why you don't think about it - you push it a little and it's out of your way. 

I hope I've been able to impart the great warm fuzzies that I feel for the Boom Arm.   It's my nice old pair of shoes (that happen to be three days old) that I won't part with for anything.

Overall Grade: A+++

Dan.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2007, 11:00 PM by Dan Clark »

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Re: Boom Arm Review tomorrow
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2007, 09:14 AM »
Great review Dan,

Greatest thing (the boom) since sliced bread.

Any hoo, here is a tip. The wire loop  you have, I passed the

the large hose through it on its way up the arm.

This helps in mobility, yours and the arms.

Kinda takes the sag out to the left and adds a few inches in reach.

Like I have said before, two minutes after I started using mine, I

cursed myself for thinking for a year that this was a unneeded

extravagance.

I need another.


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Re: Boom Arm Review tomorrow
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2007, 09:23 AM »
Great review Dan.  By the way, mine came with adequate documentation so it seems you're was may have been an anomaly.  Did yours come with a plastic bag for the documentation and all you had was the parts list or was that bag missing?  The long top of my box had the tape pulled away so that bag could have easily fallen out.

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Re: Boom Arm Review tomorrow
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2007, 10:47 AM »
Bill,
  I plan/intend on purchasing a boom arm for my CT 22.  What is the total height you measure to top of the boom?  I have 8' ceilings with fluorescent lighting below that.  Thanks for letting me bother you.
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Re: Boom Arm Review tomorrow
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2007, 10:49 AM »
Great review Dan.  By the way, mine came with adequate documentation so it seems you're was may have been an anomaly.  Did yours come with a plastic bag for the documentation and all you had was the parts list or was that bag missing?  The long top of my box had the tape pulled away so that bag could have easily fallen out.
Bill,

Hi.  Mine came with a plastic bag of parts, but no docs.  (I think I have all the parts.)  And the box was taped shut securely.   Oh well.

Thanks,

Dan.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2007, 11:02 AM by Dan Clark »

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Re: Boom Arm Review tomorrow
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2007, 10:55 AM »
Bill,
  I plan/intend on purchasing a boom arm for my CT 22.  What is the total height you measure to top of the boom?  I have 8' ceilings with fluorescent lighting below that.  Thanks for letting me bother you.
Steven,

I measured mine.   The top-most part of the hose fitting at the top of the Boom Arm is slightly less than 82 inches (actually about 81-3/4).   Unless you florescents are more than a foot thick, you'll be fine.

Regards,

Dan.

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Re: Boom Arm Review tomorrow
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2007, 11:01 AM »
...Any hoo, here is a tip. The wire loop  you have, I passed the
the large hose through it on its way up the arm....
Per,

Thanks. 

Regarding "wire loop", if you mean what looks like a hose clamp, I used that to lock down the boom arm so that it wouldn't come out of the socket.   If it's something else, I didn't get one.  In any case...
 
My hose droops a bit too.  It's not a big issue, but I thought about using a plastic wire tie to keep it up there.   I'll try that and add it to the review.


Again, thanks!

Dan.

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Re: Boom Arm Review tomorrow
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2007, 11:02 AM »
Bill,
  I plan/intend on purchasing a boom arm for my CT 22.  What is the total height you measure to top of the boom?  I have 8' ceilings with fluorescent lighting below that.  Thanks for letting me bother you.
Steve, What Dan said :)

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2007, 11:06 AM »
Thanks Dan and Bill.  I needed that.
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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2007, 11:18 AM »
Dan,


No, this thingy here..

Pass the hose straight through it.

P.
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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2007, 11:19 AM »
Thanks Ned..

That was amazing.

Really.
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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2007, 11:20 AM »
Thanks Ned..

That was amazing.

Really.

Per,

Wrong

thread.

Ned

Offline Jim Garfield

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2007, 12:14 PM »

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Per,

Wrong

thread.

Ned

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Matthew, could you please add a category for poetry?  ;D
Regards,
Jim

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2007, 12:25 PM »
Dan,


No, this thingy here..

Pass the hose straight through it.

P.

Does the boom arm come with that hose holder?
Regards,
Jim

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2007, 12:27 PM »
Dan,


No, this thingy here..

Pass the hose straight through it.

P.

Per,

That's one of the first things I did - pass it through the "Schlauchhalter" (love that name).   But the hose got in the way in that configuration - it blocked access to the drill sortainer.  

Hmmm...  Since the CT is in a different position, it may work better now.   I'll give the Schlauchhalter another go.

Thanks,

Dan.

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2007, 12:28 PM »
Dan,
No, this thingy here..

Pass the hose straight through it.

P.

Does the boom arm come with that hose holder?
Jim,

No. It's a separate item.   I bought this several months ago.

Dan.

Offline Corwin

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2007, 01:36 PM »
I had purchased the handle and hose holder when I first ordered my vac, so it only seemed natural to continue to use the holder for the hose with the Boom Arm.  I also lead the power cord through the hose holder.  Keeps everything in place.  Now, if they only made a sweeping 90 to use where the hose connects to the vac -- not that it is really needed, just would prevent some damage to the hose if you bumped into something.

With the Boom Arm I also purchased the Y adaptor based on someone's recommendation that it would take out some of the bend where the hose is connected to the vac.  For me, however, the setup works almost better without the Y. 

Corwin
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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2007, 05:50 PM »
I like your take on how the Boom Arm has made your work space easier to work with.  But I especially like the way you discussed individual aspects followed by a grade in your review of the Hose Garage -- made that review rather fun.

To continue this review of the Boom Arm, you may wish to also include a few more items:

The overallhight has already been addressed, but you could also note that if one needed the hose brackets could be mounted below or to the side to gain additional room.  Specific measurements here for both overall hight and the disassembled hight for transport will be most useful to those with these concerns.

It also should probably be noted that the D27 can be readily installed or removed with the hose brackets intact, but these brackets have to be disassembled to install around the larger D36 hose.  The D36 is held somewhat snuggly within these brackets, which is fine, but without the ability to easily change between hoses one will probably want to leave the larger hose mounted and simply use ties to hang the smaller hose from the power-cord hooks during sanding operations.

You might also discuss the stabilizing feet that come with the Boom Arm.  I see that several of us with Boom Arms are not deploying these feet -- Hmmm, don't want to be one that later regrets that choice...  

These reviews are a very helpful tool in deciding on particular products -- especially when you consider that many may have no other option than to purchase 'site unseen'.  After all, had it not been for Jerry Work's great review, "Getting the Most from the MFT Multifunction Table", there would surely be at least one less Festool owner.

Keep up the good work!
Corwin
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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2007, 06:18 PM »
About those feet,

I often swing the arm (pull pin, rotate) 180 degrees over

the handle. This gives you a longer reach.

But when you do this, the feet are a must.

Also I set them a 1/4 inch off the floor.

Thats the way I roll. (I had to use that line)

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2007, 06:52 PM »
Quote
Also I set them a 1/4 inch off the floor.

Thats the way I roll. (I had to use that line)

Per

Sweeeeeet!  I probably never would have thought of that!  I was thinking of only deploying the feet while in the extended-reach mode, as you described -- with this in mind, I may take the more cautious approach more often.  Priceless!

And Thanks!
Corwin
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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2007, 07:57 PM »
I work in a 22x22 garage. I ususally store the Ct22 under my MFT 1080s. Every once in awhile I think about getting the boom, especially after such an informative review. However, I always go back to thinking it would mean the boom and CT22 together would take up more space, unless I can dismount it and store it somewhere until needed. Do you think this can be dismounted and remounted easily enough so that it will not take up a lot of extra space or is this the wrong way to think about using the boom?
Thanks

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2007, 08:28 PM »
I work in a 22x22 garage. I ususally store the Ct22 under my MFT 1080s. Every once in awhile I think about getting the boom, especially after such an informative review. However, I always go back to thinking it would mean the boom and CT22 together would take up more space, unless I can dismount it and store it somewhere until needed. Do you think this can be dismounted and remounted easily enough so that it will not take up a lot of extra space or is this the wrong way to think about using the boom?
Thanks
John,

So you store your CT under your MFT?   Hmmm... Like in the pic below?   ;D   After I spent about 10 seconds to pull out the hose holder, I just wheeled it under my MFT.

Regards,

Dan.

p.s., that's my 10 X 13 master bath, which I'm remodeling. 

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2007, 08:45 PM »
My heart soars with joy at your image -- looks as if I need one.  I do carry the CT22 into the house for various ongoing projects, but I am sure there is a way around that too .... Thanks for the image, that says it all.

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2007, 09:22 PM »
John,

Well I suspect that your wallet is whining though.   ;D 

If a pic of the CT under a table sent your hear soaring, then the pic below should send it into cardiac arrest!  You see...

Another option if the boom gets in the way is to disconnect the boom where it swings.   The little knob thing(s) about 4 feet off the floor (see closeup in my review) is the quick disconnect pin.    Immediately above that pin is the power cord disconnect and immediately below is the hose disconnect. 

Just for grins, I decided to see how difficult it would be to disconnect the boom for transportation and then reconnect for work.   Having never done it before (other than original setup), it took me 59 seconds to disconnect the boom and 61 seconds to reconnect it.  And I wasn't hurrying!

The vertical boom arm that connects to the handle is 1365mm tall (53-3/4") after disconnection.  Disconnected, the horizontal piece is almost exactly the same length. 

Now I understand how people can use these on a job site.  It's a no brainer.

Regards,

Dan.

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2007, 09:47 PM »
I like your take on how the Boom Arm has made your work space easier to work with.  But I especially like the way you discussed individual aspects followed by a grade in your review of the Hose Garage -- made that review rather fun.

To continue this review of the Boom Arm, you may wish to also include a few more items:

The overallhight has already been addressed, but you could also note that if one needed the hose brackets could be mounted below or to the side to gain additional room.  Specific measurements here for both overall hight and the disassembled hight for transport will be most useful to those with these concerns.

It also should probably be noted that the D27 can be readily installed or removed with the hose brackets intact, but these brackets have to be disassembled to install around the larger D36 hose.  The D36 is held somewhat snuggly within these brackets, which is fine, but without the ability to easily change between hoses one will probably want to leave the larger hose mounted and simply use ties to hang the smaller hose from the power-cord hooks during sanding operations.

You might also discuss the stabilizing feet that come with the Boom Arm.  I see that several of us with Boom Arms are not deploying these feet -- Hmmm, don't want to be one that later regrets that choice...  

These reviews are a very helpful tool in deciding on particular products -- especially when you consider that many may have no other option than to purchase 'site unseen'.  After all, had it not been for Jerry Work's great review, "Getting the Most from the MFT Multifunction Table", there would surely be at least one less Festool owner.

Keep up the good work!
Corwin

Corwin,

Well, between your post, Per's post, and my response to John Russell, I think we've covered pretty much everything!   ;D

Thanks,

Dan.

Offline John Russell

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2007, 10:24 PM »
Dan,
One more question --- I notice that most pictures I have seen of the boom arm, there are two hoses connected. Is this necessary or is it possible to use the boom arm with the stock hose for a CT22 or 33?

PS -- the cardiac arrest thing is way over rated ...

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2007, 10:55 PM »
John,

The CT22 comes standard with an 11.5' D27 anti-static hose (27mm).   My Boom Arm came (standard) with a D50 anti-static hose.   The D50 goes from the CT's inlet port to the Boom Arm quick disconnect point.  The standard CT D27 hose goes from there to the tool.   You need the extra length of the D50 hose to allow the D27 hose to connect to the tool.   

FYI, when set up, the D27 hose will drop from the Boom Arm to within about 1" of the floor.  This is nice because it doesn't drag on the floor but you still have sufficient length to work with.

Regards,

Dan.


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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2007, 11:05 PM »
I see ... now I am sold!

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2007, 11:27 PM »
John,

Just in case you were referring to the silver colored D36 hose, that came from the Festool clean up kit that I bought.  If I had to do it over again, I would have bought the one with the D36 antistatic hose (green hose).    The D36 hose is useful for the hand planer and my miter saw.

Dan.

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2007, 11:53 PM »
One little new capability my Boom Arm brings is that it now readily connects with my bandsaw's smaller DC port.  The end of the D50 fits perfect!     ;D

Corwin
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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2007, 03:27 AM »
John,
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Just in case you were referring to the silver colored D36 hose, that came from the Festool clean up kit that I bought.  If I had to do it over again, I would have bought the one with the D36 antistatic hose (green hose).    The D36 hose is useful for the hand planer and my miter saw.

Dan.

I ordered the handle and boom arm last Thursday, it arrived Friday (thanks again Bob for great service) and I put it together today (Saturday). I ordered this on faith and the experience of other Festool users. I was as suspect about this as I was about the MFT 1080, or as I refer to it and expensive piece of MDF with holes in it. I like the MFT and the holes are worth the cost.

So, I recieved the handle and the boom arm to attach to my CT22. I am not mister mechanical and I prefer step by step instructions with lots of pics ... no such luck. After a couple of false starts, the handle was installed without much trouble despite the lack of instructions but a legible parts diagram. The  boom went together without much incident, although my spourse broke one of the clips that keeps the power cord attached to the boom.  It was more my fault than hers since I asked her to pull the cord though the cliips.

The instructions were better for the boom as compared to the handle, but then almost anything would be an improvement there.

Here is where there is a difference for me.  Being somewhat awkard when it comes to the mechanical end of things, I knew from past experience that there was a design concept in the Festool approach that has a logic, even if I did not know the logic or if it was not explicit in the instruction.

 I knew that even if I could not decipher the parts diagram with the handle, I could solve the problem based on what I perceive to be a "design concept" that  has consistency.  If there is a "Festool difference" then this is it for me.  It was simply less stressful for me to put together the parts knowing that there was a logic and all I had to do is sort that out. That is different than tools where there is not an integrated design concept. Dewalt does it different than Bosch, etc... and within those tool brands I perceive there is variation in how tools work. I perceive more consistency in the Festool system.

I have limited time to devote to woodworking, and even though I am not too good at it, and it does not come easily for me, I enjoy it within my capacity. The less I have to fuss with the tool part, the more I can enjoy the creating part. Others may find the tool part fun and enjoyable, but for me, the end product is the focus and what gets me there with the less time and less frustration, the better. That is value addedf for me.

Tomorrow I have a refinishing project and I need to use the vac and newly acquired 150/3 sander AND the boom arm. I will see if it lives up to its hype then. If not I think I can always sell it without too big a loss. However, I do like like that even with the hose garage and the systainer for the 150/3, it JUST fits under the MFT 1080. Somebody is thinking about how these things fit together ... I don't have to worry about that ...

For anyone intereste  in the  value of a "design concept" check out Don Norman's book "The Design of Everyday Things."

JR

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2007, 12:06 AM »
Well I got my Boom arm today and am trying to set it up. The manual does leave a little to be desired but it appears to be working.

One question.

My support legs (there are two) have black plastic plugs to close the open end on the floor side, but the end of the support legs that are pointing straight up do not. This seems odd to me and I'm wondering if they forgot to pack them?

What's to keep the legs from filling up slowly with saw dust (from non-Festool Tools) when it's being used?

For those of you with a boom arm, are yours open as well?

For owners of CT-22's with a boom arm are both of the brackets to hold the support legs above the cord wrap attachment on the rear of the vacuum? The pictures seem to be of a CT-33 and I barely have room.

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2007, 12:33 AM »
What's to keep the legs from filling up slowly with saw dust (from non-Festool Tools) when it's being used?

For those of you with a boom arm, are yours open as well?

For owners of CT-22's with a boom arm are both of the brackets to hold the support legs above the cord wrap attachment on the rear of the vacuum? The pictures seem to be of a CT-33 and I barely have room.

Mine also only came with the two plugs.  I think the upper ends have been left open so you can store the support cross pieces in the tube -- I don't store mine there and would also have preferred these plugged.  And, if you plug the vac in, you will probably not have that much sawdust to worry about. :)

Yes, the brackets for the support legs are all installed above the cord-wrap bracket.  To adjust each leg, you need to loosen both brackets and move them up/down with the leg.  Not a handy setup for these brackets, but that little soft plastic tab within the bracket does prevent the tubes from being scratched in the process.

No, sounds like you have everything setup correctly.

Corwin
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Offline sroxberg

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2007, 11:34 PM »
After using the boom for the last few days I have to say that I love it. I jumped on the purchase because it's going from $159 to over $220 dollars after the 1st. If you have been thinking about this item, now is the time. With my Domino purchase this was a tough one, but it save too much money.

It does make the vacuum a lot less mobile, so it will probably cost me a mini vac later, oh well more tools.

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« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2007, 11:12 PM »
I put mine together today and I didn't get the little curly silver hose holder.  Did get a couple of extra screws and bolts though.  Checked and rechecked and no curly silver hose holder.  Is this something that everyone gets?

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2007, 11:21 PM »
No, it's an accessory. http://www.festoolusa.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProdID=487072&ID=6 Does help keep the hose from kinking as Per stated.
Les (near Indy) XL

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2007, 11:40 PM »
Les is absolutely correct.  It's an accessory.  I've had the "little curly thing" for almost as long as I've had my CT.   I bought it as a convenient way of holding the hose and cord while I wasn't using it.   I'm sorry that I didn't mention this.   

It's inexpensive and works nicely.

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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2007, 05:04 PM »
I remember a few summertime bbq's some 30 years or so ago at my Grandfather's house when I was a kid. He used to have a whole bunch of those curly-q-thinga-ma-jigs poked into the backyard next to the lawn chairs to hold the beer cans for him and the other adults. I bet he didn't pay more than 99 cents for his at the drugstore, so I could imagine what he might say today if I told him I had an imported one from Germany that cost me over thirty dollars!  R.I.P. Gramps!

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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2007, 11:45 AM »
The Festool boom arm costs a Kings Ransom in this part of the world so in concert with my trusty apprentice Simou I have adapted my Triton Multistand into the new and patented Llap Goch Industries Cheapskate Boom Arm.

This is how we did it.

Screw two 6' x 2" x1" pieces of wood together with a wire hook placed between the wood at one end. Coat hanger wire is perfect.

Swivel the head of the Triton Multistand to an appropriate angle and place the wood in the jaw and tighten.

Wrap a Festool powercord around the vacuum hose of your cleaner. You can use cable ties but this will push the price up.

Place the power/vacuum hose over the hook and attach your Festool.

Bingo the $3 boom arm which really does work and which, when you have finished with it, reverts back to a support stand which will take 220lbs. Try that with the Festool boom arm.

I know its sad but it is very cheap and the money you save can be put towards your Kapex.

This inventing and manufacturing lark makes a chap thirsty so we are off to enjoy a cold beer. I say we because Simou really does enjoy beer and has a small one every night.

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2007, 11:15 PM »
...Bingo the $3 boom arm which really does work...

But those Triton MultiStands -- at $60 -- would bring the cost up somewhat... 

Your 'Boom Arm' is a good example of the many different uses these stands can have around the shop -- and elsewhere.  I have two of these MultiStands and they are great!  With their integrated clamp, they are almost as versatile as the old WorkMate.  For us Festool users, these stands are good for adding a quick table extension to the MFTs.  Better yet, they also can replace those old saw horses you may use as a cutting table -- now you can tip the table vertical, lean a sheet against and tip back into position.  I was going to put the works on casters to make it into a sheet mover as well, but the hardware I purchased didn't work out so that is still on the to do list.  No, the only problem I have with the Triton MultiStand is that two just might not be enough.

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2007, 11:58 PM »
Hi,

      What is the arc that the arm will swing without having to adjust or change anything?

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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2007, 12:05 AM »
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....It also should probably be noted that the D27 can be readily installed or removed with the hose brackets intact, but these brackets have to be disassembled to install around the larger D36 hose.  The D36 is held somewhat snuggly within these brackets, which is fine, but without the ability to easily change between hoses one will probably want to leave the larger hose mounted and simply use ties to hang the smaller hose from the power-cord hooks during sanding operations.....


   
         I realise that attaching a second hose with ties is quick easy and does the  job.  I am curious to know if it is possible to get extra hose brackets for the arm as parts, and attach an additional hose with a second row of them?
      Also does the arm have enough strength to hold a D36 and two D27s?


Thanks,

      Seth

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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2007, 02:38 AM »
... I am curious to know if it is possible to get extra hose brackets for the arm as parts, and attach an additional hose with a second row of them?

    Also does the arm have enough strength to hold a D36 and two D27s?

Best ask your dealer as to the availability of hose brackets, but I did receive a replacement for one with a broken cord clip.

A second row of brackets can be mounted on the arm.  If I were to do as you suggest, I would leave the D36 on and simply insall the D27 when needed since it is able to be installed/removed without messing with the brackets.  I don't understand the need for a third hose unless you mean two D27s coupled together.  In any event, the nylon coupler will probably get bent out of shape with two hoses attached for long -- even with removing the D27 when not in use, I needed to get the aluminum replacement -- works fine now, so I'll continue to remove the D27 after use.

Oh, and the arm swings 90 degrees.

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« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2007, 02:56 AM »
I thought I saw someone (maybe Bob Marino) mention an alumin(i)um replacement for the pivot on the boom arm.  My plastic one is sagging badly and I'd like to replace it.  Anyone have the Festool reference please?

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« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2007, 03:12 AM »
I thought I saw someone (maybe Bob Marino) mention an alumin(i)um replacement for the pivot on the boom arm.  My plastic one is sagging badly and I'd like to replace it.  Anyone have the Festool reference please?

The order number is 465796. See the following message posted by Bob on 18 May in the thread at http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=893.0

Some customers have noticed  distortion of the white plastic swivel coupler in the boom arm, resulting in the arm starting to sag. Festool now has a replacement coupler made of solid aluminum that is available for those boom arms with the  problem. It is available by request on an individual basis, shipped at no charge. The item number is 465 -796.

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2007, 08:16 AM »
Oh, and the arm swings 90 degrees.

Corwin

There is an allen bolt that limits to arc with the bolt removed the boom can swing 360 degrees. Of course the cord and hose will twist around the boom limiting the ark.
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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2007, 07:56 PM »


Best ask your dealer as to the availability of hose brackets, but I did receive a replacement for one with a broken cord clip.

A second row of brackets can be mounted on the arm.  If I were to do as you suggest, I would leave the D36 on and simply insall the D27 when needed since it is able to be installed/removed without messing with the brackets.  I don't understand the need for a third hose unless you mean two D27s coupled together.  In any event, the nylon coupler will probably get bent out of shape with two hoses attached for long -- even with removing the D27 when not in use, I needed to get the aluminum replacement -- works fine now, so I'll continue to remove the D27 after use.

Oh, and the arm swings 90 degrees.

Corwin

    After thinking about it there would be no need for three hoses. The extras would be in the way when only using one.  The idea of two D27s is for hooking up two sanders at once with different grits. So when going through a stack of pieces ( say twenty or thirty large shelves) I could just put one down and pick up the other. Cutting down on the number of times moving and flipping pieces. Thus speeding things up.

Seth

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« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2008, 10:30 PM »
I am posting this here because it seems to have the most info on Boom Arm, transport, setup, breakdown, on-site, and how to use with y-blanking piece and multiple hoses.  I currently use this setup daily to all festools and miter and table saw on site.  I have a box van which has a back opening of 64" because the roll up door hangs down a bit.  My first question is "will a ct 22 with boom arm fit through there without taking apart?"


I was also wondering if I clamp these two connections will they work well? and would effect anything if I were to cut down the y blanking piece so that when combo ed with DD would fit in a Sys 5?  I have read many of the boom arm stuff on this site, couldn't seem to find the one about multiple hoses working well with a little ingenuity?  I did see that by buying the boom arm I would get enough hose to run from DD to vac?
So, I basically have a bunch of questions.  Just trying to cover my bases before cannibalizing things that are in otherwise perfect condition.  I would be willing to bet that I screwed up pics. Thanks Eric

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« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2008, 02:36 PM »
Nice cyclone. I also took out the stop allan head so I could roll mine back against a wall and turn my boom 90 degrees so it lays against the wall.
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« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2008, 03:49 AM »
...  My first question is "will a ct 22 with boom arm fit through there without taking apart?"

The Boom Arm stands some 80" or so tall when assembled.  However, the upper arm, along with hose and cord can readily be removed as an assembly -- just unplug cord, disconnect hose and remove retaining bolt to remove the upper assembly.  Now the CT without upper assembly stands 54-1/2" or so off the ground -- and will fit in your van.  It is really simply to remove and install the upper assembly -- I've even done so with two hoses and two cords attached.  Hopes this answers your first question.

I was also wondering if I clamp these two connections will they work well? and would effect anything if I were to cut down the y blanking piece so that when combo ed with DD would fit in a Sys 5? 

I cannot see why these fittings would not work for you.  Hose connections function best with smooth transitions, but your setup looks fine.  You will want to make sure you have a completed circuit for the Antistatic feature to work.  This is a simple task of attaching wire or copper tape as needed.  To retain the plug and play aspect, you might want to have fittings that stay attached to the cyclone end with AS fittings and you wire to them.

Another way to go that might work for you is the Loc-Line products.  Hose sections and most fittings are already Antistatic, so connecting directly with AS hose(s) should be a breeze.  I say 'should', because I have not yet purchased any of these products, and cannot say for certain.  But they are worth a look see...

Cutting down the Y enough will render that end unable to attach to the CT or hose connector, but if this Y is dedicated to this task,  so what (just do it).

I have read many of the boom arm stuff on this site, couldn't seem to find the one about multiple hoses working well with a little ingenuity? 

Were you looking to use both at the same time (two tools in use at once) or just have two hoses mounted at the ready to switch between as needed (like how I setup a D27 and D36 both)?  Either will work.

I did see that by buying the boom arm I would get enough hose to run from DD to vac?

Maybe, maybe not.  Too bad the CT's input is low and forward, rather than high and pointing up.  And too bad the cyclone's output points straight up.  A sweeping 90 at the CT and a sweeping 180 atop the cyclone would be sweet;  without one or the other, the length of D50 that comes with the Boom Arm may not be long enough -- especially if you want any Sortainers in between like I have.  


I would be willing to bet that I screwed up pics. Thanks Eric

Only if there was supposed to be two pictures earlier in the post.  I did see two place holders for pics show in your post without anything, but the bottom pics came out well.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2008, 03:53 AM by Corwin »
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« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2008, 03:38 PM »
corwin, let me start by saying that you are the man.  My post was pretty question heavy and maybe a bit needy, but you took time out of your life to fully answer my questions and give advice.  I owe you one. 

This is a prime example of why the FOG is worth signing up for.  I'm sure I would have figured it out eventually, but the amount of time saved couldn't even be calculated.  It's not just the fact that there are many talented geniuses on this site, but also helpful, thanks again, Eric

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« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2008, 04:04 PM »
Corwin is very helpful and always responds to emails, PM's and especially posts really fast.

Thanks Corwin.
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« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2008, 11:52 PM »
Hi,

   On the Loc Line that Corwin mentioned- there are two types  AS and non-AS. The black ones are AS the blue and orange  ones are not.  The Loc Line needs a special adapter to connect to regular hoses etc. They sell a male and a female adapter.

     I have some that I had planned to use for my DP, but am no longer going to. I will be placing it in the classified section in a few minutes. If you need to know anything about it (measurements, turn radius, etc),  let me know before I sell it and I will check for you.


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« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2008, 05:09 AM »
corwin, let me start by saying that you are the man.  My post was pretty question heavy and maybe a bit needy, but you took time out of your life to fully answer my questions and give advice.  I owe you one. 

This is a prime example of why the FOG is worth signing up for.  I'm sure I would have figured it out eventually, but the amount of time saved couldn't even be calculated.  It's not just the fact that there are many talented geniuses on this site, but also helpful, thanks again, Eric

Eric, you are most welcome.  And a big thank you like this is thanks enough.  Rather than an, "I owe you one," I'd just as soon see the, "play it forward" thing instead.  I have learned much by participating in this board -- offering any help is simply my way of repaying for knowledge I have acquired from others.  When it works both ways, it's priceless.

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« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2008, 05:42 AM »
...  To retain the plug and play aspect, you might want to have fittings that stay attached to the cyclone end with AS fittings and you wire to them.

To further explain this thought, what I have done on my cyclone installation is to attach the Festool AS Hose Connector fittings to the input and output ports of my cyclone -- actually, I cut a single AS Hose Connector in half for the two fittings.  That enabled me to use copper tape to complete the AS connection both inside and outside of the cyclone that terminate to the AS fittings which are 'permanently' mounted to the cyclone.  Doing it this way allows one to simply plug in their AS fitted hoses to either end and the AS is connected -- no rewiring each time.

Another way to go that might work for you is the Loc-Line products.  Hose sections and most fittings are already Antistatic, so connecting directly with AS hose(s) should be a breeze.  I say 'should', because I have not yet purchased any of these products, and cannot say for certain.  But they are worth a look see...

I've seen some of the smaller Loc-Line products often used for coolant lines for machining, but only recently discovered the vacuum offerings.  From what I've seen the vacuum parts are AS except the fitting that connects to PVC pipe.  And that does make sense.  But how well do these vacuum fittings and hoses work with the Festool parts -- I would imagine that they connect fine, since they are made to work with ShopVac sizes, so, is there a down side to this product line that one might not see in their pictures?   Also, what sources are there that stock the hose and both Male and Female ShopVac end fittings?

Corwin

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« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2008, 06:06 PM »
Hi,

        Grizzly has the vacuum size line in the AS version.  Loc Line Grizzly


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« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2008, 01:27 AM »
Yep, I know they have them.  Actually, their catalog is where I just recently saw them.  But I am not pleased with Grizzly right now -- the new mini lathe I purchased over 3 weeks ago still is inoperable and ... and I have revised and revised this post to not vent.  So, that's about it, as I have nothing good to say.
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« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2008, 01:41 AM »
corwin, i hope to see an fog that I am sharing the knowledge that i have learned from you and many others, thank you and when i see a package marked nebraska I will post pics of what i have come up with, eric

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« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2008, 02:15 AM »
corwin, i hope to see an fog that I am sharing the knowledge that i have learned from you and many others, thank you and when i see a package marked nebraska I will post pics of what i have come up with, eric

 ;D ;D :P ;D   We like pics!
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« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2008, 10:07 AM »
Yep, I know they have them.  Actually, their catalog is where I just recently saw them.  But I am not pleased with Grizzly right now -- the new mini lathe I purchased over 3 weeks ago still is inoperable and ... and I have revised and revised this post to not vent.  So, that's about it, as I have nothing good to say.

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« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2008, 12:22 AM »
i am 6 foot 4 and i find the boom arm to be a pain in the  every time i play with it at the dealer. i think it is because of my height....any thoughts? everyone seems to loves it, so i feel like i am missing something.  ???

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« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2008, 03:43 AM »
i am 6 foot 4 and i find the boom arm to be a pain in the  every time i play with it at the dealer. i think it is because of my height....any thoughts? everyone seems to loves it, so i feel like i am missing something.  ???

Really?  I'm just over 6'-1" and have no problem.  After reading this I went into the shop to check and do not see why, at 6'-4", you would have a problem -- there is just about 6'-8" clearance on my Boom Arm.  Did the store have the hose and brackets mounted below the arm?  If so, they certainly would be a pain for you mounted like that, but they can be (and I would think usually are) mounted over the top.  Or is it not a problem with the Arm itself, but rather the hose as it hangs down?

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Re: Boom Arm Review
« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2008, 12:01 PM »
yea the hose is hanging right in my face,,,,,i will look at it again but it might be set all wrong.......every time i try to use it i almost want to buy it just so i can chop it into pieces and throw it around the parking lot. >:(

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« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2008, 04:51 PM »
yea the hose is hanging right in my face,,,,,i will look at it again but it might be set all wrong.......every time i try to use it i almost want to buy it just so i can chop it into pieces and throw it around the parking lot. >:(


Hi,

        When the store gets a KAPEX on display, try cutting up the Boom Arm to test it out. Then place the pieces neatly in a Systainer . See if they notice ;D

       If it is something you really want to use- you might be able to add and extension pipe to increase the height. Or maybe place the CT on platform or low storage cabinet. Though moving it would be a pain then.


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« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2008, 05:06 PM »
 ;D ;D