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Offline mandatory66

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carvex 420 purchase
« on: January 11, 2016, 04:29 PM »
After checking reviews on the Carvex for two days I thought it would be an improvement over my Bosch 1590 so I made the purchase. Upon receiving the saw I spent about 6hrs. testing the saw and comparing it directly with my Bosch 1590. Unfortunately I decided to return the saw. Its ability to cut squarely was not any better than the Bosch and this was my main reason for looking for an upgrade. The Carvex vibrated more and did not have the feel of the build quality of my old Bosch. This may have been due to my comparing a the Bosch D handle to the Tube design of the Carvex. I also missed the variable speed trigger on the Bosch.The good features of the Carvex were the LED lights and the vacuum attachment using my CT26. I wanted to like this saw but could not do it. I also see that Bosch has changed the way they support the blade and are now just using two rollers to replace the pinchers on the side as they used to have,which is similar to the Carvex. Looks like I will be using my old 1590 for awhile longer.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2016, 05:08 PM »
I thought that when i first got my cordless carvex, it felt very rattly and I wasn't expecting that. After using it for a few months I think it's a great little saw. I've still got about 3 Bosch's and a Trion that I use for bevelled cuts , but the carvex is my  go to jigsaw

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2016, 05:12 PM »
Why don't you try the D-handle Carvex?
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2016, 05:19 PM »
Glad to see that you took the time to use the saw and see if it was for you.  Sorry to see that it wasn't but having the opportunity to try and return can be an advantage.

The D-handle version would have given you the variable speed trigger.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2016, 06:51 PM »
I agree that the carvex feels and sounds a bit cheap. And I personally dislike the barel grip version.

My Trion feels like a better quality jigsaw, but the carvex is actually superior in most ways.
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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2016, 07:17 PM »
The Carvex 420 is still on my wish list. I also like all the optional bits and pieces as well as the dust collection. But I appreciate the review. It's got to be better than my old Black and Decker!  [eek]
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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2016, 07:38 PM »
As the dust collection on all jigsaws is pretty useless to start with. May I suggest you try out the cordless Carvex. By not having any leads or hoses to get in the way,
 I find that the Carvex in the barrel shape design makes for a very agile and precise jig saw. once set up correctly it also cuts beautifully straight and parallel.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2016, 07:43 PM »
As the dust collection on all jigsaws is pretty useless to start with. May I suggest you try out the cordless Carvex. By not having any leads or hoses to get in the way,
 I find that the Carvex in the barrel shape design makes for a very agile and precise jig saw. once set up correctly it also cuts beautifully straight and parallel.

Interesting! I have been looking at the D handle mainly because of the variable speed. Do you feel that variable speed in not really needed?
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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2016, 07:52 PM »
The Carvex 420 is still on my wish list. I also like all the optional bits and pieces as well as the dust collection. But I appreciate the review. It's got to be better than my old Black and Decker!  [eek]

I can guarantee it will be better than the B&D, but chips are not "dust" and no jog saw does well gathering the chips.
If you are only getting it for dust collection then you will be disappointed.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2016, 07:57 PM »
The Carvex 420 is still on my wish list. I also like all the optional bits and pieces as well as the dust collection. But I appreciate the review. It's got to be better than my old Black and Decker!  [eek]

I can guarantee it will be better than the B&D, but chips are not "dust" and no jog saw does well gathering the chips.
If you are only getting it for dust collection then you will be disappointed.

No I'm not really interested in the dust collection as much as I am looking at all the attachments. You make a real good point though.
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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2016, 08:03 PM »
As the dust collection on all jigsaws is pretty useless to start with. May I suggest you try out the cordless Carvex. By not having any leads or hoses to get in the way,
 I find that the Carvex in the barrel shape design makes for a very agile and precise jig saw. once set up correctly it also cuts beautifully straight and parallel.

Interesting! I have been looking at the D handle mainly because of the variable speed. Do you feel that variable speed in not really needed?
  As I'm mostly cutting wood, I tend to leave mine in A, auto mode, it has a soft start that ramps up nicely when the blade starts to get cutting.
 If I was you I would check out both the barrel and D shapes in store to see which shape feels better for you, it comes down to personal preference I think. For me the barrel shape had the edge.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2016, 08:09 PM »
As the dust collection on all jigsaws is pretty useless to start with. May I suggest you try out the cordless Carvex. By not having any leads or hoses to get in the way,
 I find that the Carvex in the barrel shape design makes for a very agile and precise jig saw. once set up correctly it also cuts beautifully straight and parallel.

Interesting! I have been looking at the D handle mainly because of the variable speed. Do you feel that variable speed in not really needed?
  As I'm mostly cutting wood, I tend to leave mine in A, auto mode, it has a soft start that ramps up nicely when the blade starts to get cutting.
 If I was you I would check out both the barrel and D shapes in store to see which shape feels better for you, it comes down to personal preference I think. For me the barrel shape had the edge.

Thank you again. I will take your advice and see which one "feels" good. Again, its got to be better than my Black and Decker, and I have the Green and Dark Blue disease really bad. LOL. Best regards.
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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2016, 08:19 PM »
I have an old black-n-decker along with a red jig saw.
The B&D acually seems to do pretty good. It is not great and it doesn't feel good, but it cuts OK. Just no circle attachments, no rail/track stuff etc. But for cutting MDF router templates it does fine.
The modern ones just have extras, but the action of the blade is unchanged.

Offline mandatory66

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2016, 08:48 PM »
I thought about trying the D grip saw but was  stopped by the seemingly poor build compared to the 1590. I'm seeing that many here are happy with the saw, maybe down the road another try. The newer saws have further support down the blade like my Bosch and the Festools this greatly helps stabilize the blade. As I mentioned above Bosch has now moved on to two wheels for stabilization since they should be improving their saws perhaps it is an improvement,I will be looking into it. Thanks for the comments.

Offline Steve-Rice

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2016, 09:27 PM »
I'm very happy with my Carvex.   I have the barrel grip (corded) version and I find the barrel grip gives me a lot more control than my D-handle DeWalt.  I'm especially pleased with the circle jig and the guide rail attachment. Must admit however, that the dust collection is very disappointing. I always leave it on the automatic speed setting and find that works very well for me. The LED lights really do make seeing the blade easier.  All in all, a great little jig saw for me.

Offline Staniam

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2016, 11:13 PM »
I have and love the Carvex (barrel grip) but have not had a real need for a jigsaw the last half of 2015. I have nearly all of its accessories and they truly are incredible. The saw cuts beautifully and hasnt given me any memorable trouble. Unfortunately I believe it's a luxury for me at this point so I've been thinking about "downgrading" to a Bosch, namely the JS120BN cordless 12v. That guy still has a dust collection attachment and has gotten fantastic reviews.

I love the Carvex, my work just hasn't required much jigsaw lately   [sad]
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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2016, 11:30 PM »
I agree it rattley, and the bosch has more of a quality feel. My 1590 served me well and is still a great saw. But its HEAVY, cutting upside down for 30min sessions wears on you.

I think the worst part about the carvex is you can grab the blade and there's alot of slop unless your pushing the saw into a workpeice. This leads to inaccurate starting cuts (on higher speeds). Plus messed up splinter guards.

The pinching style blade retention on the bosch is a great feature I'm sad they ditched. I would've bought the 572 over the carvex if it still had that system.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2016, 06:15 AM »
there's alot of slop unless your pushing the saw into a workpeice. This leads to inaccurate starting cuts (on higher speeds).

With the guides adjusted properly for the blade in use I don't have any slop with my carvex.
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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2016, 11:44 PM »
there's alot of slop unless your pushing the saw into a workpeice. This leads to inaccurate starting cuts (on higher speeds).

With the guides adjusted properly for the blade in use I don't have any slop with my carvex.

Put it on high speed and you'll see the blade dance around. There's literally nothing holding the blade true unless you're cutting with the saw. Which is a minor issue, but it's glaringly obvious if your used to a jigsaw like the bosch which holds the blade firmly 100% of the time.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2016, 11:45 AM »
Dust extraction on any jigsaw isn't going to be all that great, just one of those things that can't be helped (prove me wrong please festool!)

I've had my Carvex for quite a few months now and it's paid for itself many times over, at first the barrel grip takes a bit of getting used to, but i'm more than happy with it now, and would definitely recommend one.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2016, 04:42 PM »
I have spent more time reviewing most of the jigs on the USA market and it looks like the Mafell has he best reviews,but the price for me rules it out.Now the battle begins.The new Bosh 572 has lost it's blade side guides, the Makia 4351 has LED lights but again no blade side guides. Making many cuts with my Bosch 1590 has convinced me that those guides are important.There is quite a difference in the trueness of the cut with the guides in the off position vs the on position.That leaves me with the Festool 300 or the 420 which I have already returned.One of the responders here has indicated that the 300 seems to have a better build quality than the 420 so I have decided to give it a try. I will also order the barrel style as I have the D handle Bosch 1590. Another after thought is the 420 is not suitable for scribing as the foot does not change angles. So I am back to Festool for better or worse.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2016, 04:54 PM »
The Mafell has no side blade guides either. Making cuts with the Mafell has convinced me that the side guides are only important if they keep the blade from moving.
I am not sure that would mean that the Bosch being without them makes for a bad saw??

Unless you can determine how the saw works based upon the design or measuring side flex, then you may need to use them all to know for sure, or find some unbiased reviews.

To do your own test you will need to find a shop that will tolerate you bringing in some boards.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2016, 05:30 PM »
I am aware that the Mafell does not have the side guides and it makes me wonder how they are getting such good reviews. My own experience with the Bosch 1590 which is still a well respected saw today is that the side guides help. You are right it would be nice to be able to test them all and who knows if the reviews we read are unbiased.So I am going with what I know to be true in my world.Hopefully the build quality on the 300 will be better than the 420 and it has the side guides. The cut quality & the saw build quality is the bottom line for me.The rest is not as important to me.Sometimes I think we are conditioned to think that if something costs a lot of money it must be the best,that is not always the case.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2016, 06:01 PM »
I am aware that the Mafell does not have the side guides and it makes me wonder how they are getting such good reviews. My own experience with the Bosch 1590 which is still a well respected saw today is that the side guides help. You are right it would be nice to be able to test them all and who knows if the reviews we read are unbiased.So I am going with what I know to be true in my world.Hopefully the build quality on the 300 will be better than the 420 and it has the side guides. The cut quality & the saw build quality is the bottom line for me.The rest is not as important to me.Sometimes I think we are conditioned to think that if something costs a lot of money it must be the best,that is not always the case.

The Mafell does not have the side guides because the concept is that it holds the blade so rigidly that there is no need. I have seen it written though that this works best with Mafell's thicker blades. . ?

The Trion definitely feels better built, or rather more solidly built than the Carvex. As far as 'traditional' jigsaws go, I've never used better!  Though I don't know why you would get the barrel version, considering in your original post you lamented the lack of trigger/speed control on the barrelled Carvex you tried. . .

Personally, despite agreeing that my Trion "feels" more robust than my carvex, both physically and mechanically. The Carvex is the superior machine for me, due to the battery, LEDs, and Attachment base options.
And it is worth noting that despite any differences I notice between the two jigsaws, I have never actually noticed the Carvex perform worse than the Trion.
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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2016, 06:48 PM »
Yes guys (mandatory and MrB). Cost is not a certain indicator.
The mafell holds the blade snuggly in place. There are no quides or rollers.
It gets good reviews because it is a very good saw, and not due to guides.

Funamentally they all move a blade up and down, just they do it with more or less additional movements. The LEDs and batteries to me were like flavourig on popcorn, or bluetooth in a car... however the base plates are are more useful.

If the blade was stiff then it would not flex. The double thickness blades are 4x stiffer (or something like t^2 or t^3).

Ideally you would be able to try the Bosch as well as Carvex and come to a proven quantitative repetable empirical conclusion.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2016, 08:26 PM »
I have opted for the barrel configuration(again) because I have decided to bite the bullet and learn how to use it with a Roberts Coping foot.I may have 4 rooms of coping facing me in a few months and I believe the barrel style is the way to go in that situation.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2016, 08:35 PM »
Hope you like your soon to be new Carvex.  When you use the saw and if you are coming to the end of a cut and want to stop the saw - learn to not use your thumb - use your pointer on the side of the saw.

Try it with the saw running and no blade and you will understand.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2016, 08:56 PM »
peter I will give it a go.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2016, 10:44 PM »
Received my SP 300 today, Much better build than the carvex 420 I returned. Quality feel to the saw similar to my Bosch 1590.I weighed them both Bosch (D handle 6.3lb.) Festool 300 Barrel grip 5.3 lbs. I attribute the extra pound on the Bosch to the D handle.The weight difference between the SP300 & the 420 may be due to the brushless motor in the 420. I also like the bottom plate tilting for scribing work on the SP300. The blade sits 90deg. to the table (bot. plate) and cuts straight and square.The saw has less vibration than the 420 which results in smoother handling. The on/off switch is located further back on the barrel than the 420 which makes it easy for me to use. I did quite a bit of cutting with it today and I am more than satisfied with the saw. This one's a keeper. Thanks to every one for participating in this thread,you made me give Festool a 2nd look and it worked ut.

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Re: carvex 420 purchase
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2016, 08:31 PM »
(....) learn to not use your thumb - use your pointer on the side of the saw.(....)
Peter

Hi Peter,
What do mean by 'pointer'?  Our index finger?

(I'm guessing you mean the index finger of whichever of my hands is 'free' - whichever hand is not holding the Carvex ... but if I'm wrong ...!)

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