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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2010, 08:56 AM » |
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Oh ye, you can also put the router module in the wrong way round and then the MFT is an extention to the router table for routing big pieces of wood, I have not used it this way yet but it is certainly possible.
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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2010, 08:59 AM » |
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Congrats Rob, on a very good choice !
Very nice review of a great Set.
I can completly understand your decision for the CMS system. I also dont like to carry heavy equipment around and try to be as flexible as possible without loosing options. I've got the OF2200 as well, but standalone in the Kit Version without the CMS. I'm stiil using the OF1010 for small application in my former Basis 1A (former CMS system) table in change with an ATF55 plunge saw.
A table saw does not have to be tons in weight to be called sturdy and robust. I fact, it is much more sturdy than lot of table saws on the market today. I have seen quite a few made out of sheet metal in very light constructions and without molded Aluminium parts. So not only consists the CMS of molded Aluminium parts, they are also in forged quality because Festool uses high quality die-cast processes. The only thing, which i had had some hassle with my older system was the change of the router and Plunge saw.. the insets itself are quicly changeable, but the tools in the inlets not. so this is the reason, why i have additonal the OF1400 for hand work, the OF220 for tough work, and a TS55 for cutting sheet goods with different rails.
Would be great, if you give us little more insight on the usage of the CMS OF2200 and your experience..
kind regards, Mike
Thanks Mike, I have not yet had the chance to use this set up, though I see it being a huge help when I have to make a staircase on site. I do a lot of stairs  I shall try to post an update when I get to play with it for real. The OF2200 has more than enough power for the trenching of stringers and in the CMS it will make easy and safe work of tread nosings and grooves for the risers. I have many other plans for it's use too, stay tuned!  Rob. |
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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2010, 09:19 AM » |
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Incidentally I would recommend to you and ROB GB to get the sliding table as I reckon it's a gem.Very light and quick to attach with 2 thumbscrews.You can also lock it as a little extension table to increase ripping capacity,the standard base being a bit shy on that score.
Dan,
Nigel, I want one but it would have pushed my budget out of all possibility! I shall at some point get one. With the economic climate still looking uncertain I am aiming to be free of credit card bills and only buy what I can justify to be an investment. It is a hard choice to make, but after 6 months out of work last year I have to be tough on me. Or my Suzy will  Rob. |
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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2010, 09:41 AM » |
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Rob, great job on the review. It's about time you guys across the Atlantic started pulling your own weight here in the review section with the NAINA tool.  |
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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2010, 09:54 AM » |
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The Kapex MFT table ISNT the same height its taller than the rest of the MFT tables. So the UG-kepx extensions arms dont fit on the Kapex MFT table I tried cus I own both.
The MFT Kapex is shorter than the MFT3, not taller. And, what I said was: and therefore the same height as the Kapex on either the MFT Kapex or the new stand
They are all the same height, 900mm. I couldnt remember which way round it was taller or shorter just knew it was different. Sorry I didnt read it properly! |
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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2010, 09:58 AM » |
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Rob, great job on the review. It's about time you guys across the Atlantic started pulling your own weight here in the review section with the NAINA tool. From you sir, that is a huge compliment, thankyou. |
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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2010, 10:00 AM » |
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[/quote] Nigel, I want one but it would have pushed my budget out of all possibility! [/quote] I know exactly what you mean  but you know you'll have to  . Nice review Rob.
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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2010, 10:18 AM » |
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Oh ye, you can also put the router module in the wrong way round and then the MFT is an extention to the router table for routing big pieces of wood, I have not used it this way yet but it is certainly possible.
Dan.
Well thats what I had in mind. I dont want to be limited to small pieces like you said having it attached to the MFT3 makes it possible to use large pieces of wood. My problem like Nigel said is if I just wanted to do a small piece I would have to get both MFT3 and MFT VL out. Also their are 6 legs on the floor which makes it more difficult on site to get level BUT Having the MFT3 and CMS-GE if I was just to have them it would also be difficult to get them level side by side. Question: Can the MFT3 and CMS-GE be attached?!?!? So good and bad points for both really. I think both Nigel and Dan both have said the reasons I was thinking which is making it difficult for me to decide which one to get cus both sides have advantages and disadvantages.. ..........................................  Im thinking ummmm I can have a set up which I can do more on but one cant be with out the other or I can have two separate setups. Im thinking I am mainly site I am going to build a work shop eventually so I can become more independent so being more site at the moment having MFT3 and CMS-GE is maybe more for me?!?! I DONT KNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate knowing that having the MFT3 CMS-GE seperate isnt as good as the MFT3 and MFT VL combined. Thinkin like making large circles would be really easy with the MFT3 and MFT VL because you could have the pivot fixing point the the MFT3 and just rotate the square wood into the CMS-Of router. As you cant with the two sepetate setups. Ummm I dont kow I am talking rubbish cus I just cant think and tomoro is the big buying day |
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« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2010, 10:19 AM » |
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Rob, great job on the review. It's about time you guys across the Atlantic started pulling your own weight here in the review section with the NAINA tool. OI I started one just not finished (CARVEX!) |
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« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2010, 10:41 AM » |
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Oh ye, you can also put the router module in the wrong way round and then the MFT is an extention to the router table for routing big pieces of wood, I have not used it this way yet but it is certainly possible.
Dan.
Well thats what I had in mind. I dont want to be limited to small pieces like you said having it attached to the MFT3 makes it possible to use large pieces of wood. My problem like Nigel said is if I just wanted to do a small piece I would have to get both MFT3 and MFT VL out. Also their are 6 legs on the floor which makes it more difficult on site to get level BUT Having the MFT3 and CMS-GE if I was just to have them it would also be difficult to get them level side by side. Question: Can the MFT3 and CMS-GE be attached?!?!? So good and bad points for both really. I think both Nigel and Dan both have said the reasons I was thinking which is making it difficult for me to decide which one to get cus both sides have advantages and disadvantages.. .......................................... Im thinking ummmm I can have a set up which I can do more on but one cant be with out the other or I can have two separate setups. Im thinking I am mainly site I am going to build a work shop eventually so I can become more independent so being more site at the moment having MFT3 and CMS-GE is maybe more for me?!?! I DONT KNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate knowing that having the MFT3 CMS-GE seperate isnt as good as the MFT3 and MFT VL combined. Thinkin like making large circles would be really easy with the MFT3 and MFT VL because you could have the pivot fixing point the the MFT3 and just rotate the square wood into the CMS-Of router. As you cant with the two sepetate setups. Ummm I dont kow I am talking rubbish cus I just cant think and tomoro is the big buying day Festool do joining bars to connect two MFT/3's no reason why they won't connect the CMS to the MFT/3. Ask your dealer. Some places I work I have not room for something the size of an MFT/3 or my cutting table. As with planers and thicknessers, separates are always the better option, you just have to decide what will work best for you or what compromises you are willing to make. Review what tasks you are likely to do with it and make a list , which option best fits? Rob. |
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2010, 01:18 PM » |
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Mmmmm don't think standard mft joining bars will work.They use the slots in the mft and the cms ge doesn't have any just v grooves.
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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2010, 01:31 PM » |
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Mmmmm don't think standard mft joining bars will work.They use the slots in the mft and the cms ge doesn't have any just v grooves.
Thanks Nigel, I don't yet have an MFT/3 so wasn't sure. Though being the same height I don't see it as a huge problem.... unless one is working on a hillside.  Rob. |
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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2010, 01:46 PM » |
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Rob I hope you like your new toy - I agree it is great
I have had the OF2200 and CMS-OF for a couple of years now - mine is in an old-style Basis table rather than the CMS-GE but they are very similar. However I would be very interested to hear how you get on with yours. Mine has been OUTSTANDING in every respect - except for one - which is that when you leave the OF2200 in the inverted mode for a long time, dust gets in through the top and eventually stops the ratcheted mechanism for changing bits from working - it then requires you to take dark blue plate off the bottom with 4 screws and clean it all off - no great deal - but it confused me the first time. Festool UK know all about this and the backroom boys back in Germany are apparently working on a solution. However, once you understand the problem it is not too difficult to sort out
If you get into trouble in this respect feel free to PM me...
Best wishes and happy playing with your new toy
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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2010, 02:29 PM » |
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Mmmmm don't think standard mft joining bars will work.They use the slots in the mft and the cms ge doesn't have any just v grooves.
I'm sure you could work something out using the v grooves. Some kind of clamp arrangement, similar to the way the crown stops fit to the Kapex, only longer & with 2 clamping sections. One each side would hold them tight and level. |
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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2010, 02:49 PM » |
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Mmmmm don't think standard mft joining bars will work.They use the slots in the mft and the cms ge doesn't have any just v grooves.
I'm sure you could work something out using the v grooves. Some kind of clamp arrangement, similar to the way the crown stops fit to the Kapex, only longer & with 2 clamping sections. One each side would hold them tight and level. Yes,there's probably a way of some sort.... |
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« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2010, 03:10 PM » |
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Can some one suggest best way to make something?! Because 2moro is the day! This is because I need the core set and drill soon as possible and because I am buying CMS-GE and CMS-OF and MFT3 I am gettin a very very good price for the core set and drill.
I would like to know its not going to be two difficult to make something
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« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2010, 05:15 PM » |
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JMB, I have an MFT and the MFT VL in my mid to long-term plans. I'd like them to be in my short term plans but the money isn't there.  I want the add-on rather than the separate table, as that's better for me in my home workshop. Even if I was getting it for site work, I think I'd go for the same. |
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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2010, 08:27 PM » |
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Rob I hope you like your new toy - I agree it is great
I have had the OF2200 and CMS-OF for a couple of years now - mine is in an old-style Basis table rather than the CMS-GE but they are very similar. However I would be very interested to hear how you get on with yours. Mine has been OUTSTANDING in every respect - except for one - which is that when you leave the OF2200 in the inverted mode for a long time, dust gets in through the top and eventually stops the ratcheted mechanism for changing bits from working - it then requires you to take dark blue plate off the bottom with 4 screws and clean it all off - no great deal - but it confused me the first time. Festool UK know all about this and the backroom boys back in Germany are apparently working on a solution. However, once you understand the problem it is not too difficult to sort out
If you get into trouble in this respect feel free to PM me...
Best wishes and happy playing with your new toy
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Thanks Mark, Does this part not solve the issue?  Installed here.  Rob. |
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« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2010, 12:38 AM » |
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No it does not solve it as mine was fitted too from the outset
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« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2010, 10:19 AM » |
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Okay Mark, thanks for the heads up.
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« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2010, 11:53 AM » |
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Just saying thanks to the people who tried and help me to decide between the VL / CMS-GB
I have gone for the
CMS-OF, MFT3 VLGB, and MFT3
I decided if I was to set up the router it will be set up because Ill be using it alot and not for a 2 second job and so I said to my self I could justify gettin it all out because like some one said above I properly have my MFT3 out most the time so its just the same then to get the VL out.
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Glad you thought it all through, sounds like a great solution for your needs.  When's it due? You know we will all want pics! Rob. |
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« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2010, 01:02 PM » |
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Glad you thought it all through, sounds like a great solution for your needs. When's it due? You know we will all want pics! Rob. Ofcorse Ill do plenty of pictures with the entire set up My dealer said I am the first hes ever sold the VL to he says he has always sold the CMS-GE Well my core drill and Diamond set is coming to moro morning. My dealer isnt really my local dealer hes 2 hours away so all my tools from him are posted. I dont like my local deal his a ****** Any way He said he will call me when he will get the VL in and then he will send the CMS-of and Mft3 with it. So properly a week I think well I hope! lol. Cheers JMB |
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« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2010, 01:06 PM » |
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MFT and VL is a good set up either in a shop or on 2nd fix site. It takes no more room up than a couple of saw horses with 3x2 bearers If you use the Kapex UG extensions with it you can mould very long sections with it on site.
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« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2010, 01:25 PM » |
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Fair enough you beat me 2 it lol!
You have it with the router setup facing away from the MFT3 table! Are you able to turn the setup around (CMS-OF) so it faces the the MFT3 table so you have more support
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« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2010, 01:37 PM » |
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JMB,
Ye the plate that holds the router can be turned around so that you can ust the MFT as support.
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« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2010, 01:54 PM » |
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You can also mount the VL on the front and back on the long sides this along with swapping the insert plate inboard and out board gives you scope to support large panels.
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« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2010, 01:59 PM » |
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You can also mount the VL on the front and back on the long sides this along with swapping the insert plate inboard and out board gives you scope to support large panels.
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« Reply #58 on: July 12, 2010, 02:21 PM » |
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Good luck with the new kit jmb,both the mft and cms are excellent tools.
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