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Offline L.J

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CTL-SYS
« on: May 04, 2016, 06:18 PM »
I just unboxed this baby and tested it briefly and Wow !!!! I didn't expect it to be as powerful as it is. I'll eventually test it on a few tools and see how it performs,but as far as I can tell it'll suit my needs for it. I also have a CT 26 for bigger jobs but this is way more portable.
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Offline mikey2

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2016, 07:00 PM »
It does work quite well, especially with the wand from the compact cleaning set. The 497856 carrying handle works well to carry it like a briefcase without the top hose garage part. Just be careful, if the hose gets detached, debris can spill out of the opening. I wish there was some kind of flap to prevent that.

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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2016, 07:10 PM »
Thx for pointing that out and that crevice tool works very well. So far I'm extremely satisfied with this purchase.
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Offline copcarcollector

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2016, 08:36 PM »
Thanks for the review. I am waiting to see if I won mine from the Tool Nut giveaway!!  [eek]

Offline L.J

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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2016, 09:27 PM »
Thanks for the review. I am waiting to see if I won mine from the Tool Nut giveaway!!  [eek]
Good Luck !!! More reviews coming soon...
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Offline redbirdone

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2016, 12:04 AM »
This looks like a great great great little setup.  Just want to be sure before I drop the cash. I'm looking for someone to do a nice solid review of this before buying.  And I'm not talking dealers doing the 5 min youtube "oh this is awesome buy it now" or the "unboxing" shill out there.  I need someone out there who is in homes every day and thinks this helps.  This could solve a lot of issues for me, but need to make sure the NA version is as good, of not better than it's European sister. 

When I hear from a few real world users I will decide. 

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2016, 07:40 AM »
This looks like a great great great little setup.  Just want to be sure before I drop the cash. I'm looking for someone to do a nice solid review of this before buying.  And I'm not talking dealers doing the 5 min youtube "oh this is awesome buy it now" or the "unboxing" shill out there.  I need someone out there who is in homes every day and thinks this helps.  This could solve a lot of issues for me, but need to make sure the NA version is as good, of not better than it's European sister. 

When I hear from a few real world users I will decide.

Why don't you buy one, and be the guy that gives us that long, well thought out and unbiased review.
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Offline woodguy7

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2016, 08:32 AM »
Ive had mine for a while now.  Great little vac with loads of suction.  Fantastic for track saw, sander or jigsaw but forget routers & planers.  Bag fills up way too quickly.  I too have the 26 for bigger stuff but this is great to have in the van for every day stuff.

If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
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Offline redbirdone

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2016, 03:27 PM »
This looks like a great great great little setup.  Just want to be sure before I drop the cash. I'm looking for someone to do a nice solid review of this before buying.  And I'm not talking dealers doing the 5 min youtube "oh this is awesome buy it now" or the "unboxing" shill out there.  I need someone out there who is in homes every day and thinks this helps.  This could solve a lot of issues for me, but need to make sure the NA version is as good, of not better than it's European sister. 

When I hear from a few real world users I will decide.

Why don't you buy one, and be the guy that gives us that long, well thought out and unbiased review.


You know what, I think I might.  Going out of town this weekend and if I don't see anything up when I get back I think I'll pick one up early next week.  Wonder if my local Woodcraft has one in stock? 

Offline copcarcollector

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2016, 03:29 PM »
You know what, I think I might.  Going out of town this weekend and if I don't see anything up when I get back I think I'll pick one up early next week.  Wonder if my local Woodcraft has one in stock?

I hope that you do! I look forward to additional reviews. And, you have the 30 day return policy - so if it ends up not being for you, you can send it back---

Offline L.J

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2016, 10:16 AM »
This looks like a great great great little setup.  Just want to be sure before I drop the cash. I'm looking for someone to do a nice solid review of this before buying.  And I'm not talking dealers doing the 5 min youtube "oh this is awesome buy it now" or the "unboxing" shill out there.  I need someone out there who is in homes every day and thinks this helps.  This could solve a lot of issues for me, but need to make sure the NA version is as good, of not better than it's European sister. 

When I hear from a few real world users I will decide.

Why don't you buy one, and be the guy that gives us that long, well thought out and unbiased review.


You know what, I think I might.  Going out of town this weekend and if I don't see anything up when I get back I think I'll pick one up early next week.  Wonder if my local Woodcraft has one in stock?
Like someone else said its not a complete replacement for the larger extractors but a supplement to them rather. If using with a track saw or router extensively wouldn't be satisfactory not so much a suction/power but bag capacity.
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Offline L.J

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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2016, 10:25 AM »
The only real issue I have is that the hose garage is not large enough to adequately store the power cord and hose. It should have been at minimum the same height as the motor unit.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2016, 04:01 PM »
I just started using mine and I've found that if you unplug the vac hose and place the cord in first and then coil the hose into the sys that I can store both and still install another systainer on top.  I could not get both to store with the hose plugged into the vac. 

Offline erock

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2016, 05:59 PM »
This looks like a great great great little setup.  Just want to be sure before I drop the cash. I'm looking for someone to do a nice solid review of this before buying.  And I'm not talking dealers doing the 5 min youtube "oh this is awesome buy it now" or the "unboxing" shill out there.  I need someone out there who is in homes every day and thinks this helps.  This could solve a lot of issues for me, but need to make sure the NA version is as good, of not better than it's European sister. 

When I hear from a few real world users I will decide.

Why don't you buy one, and be the guy that gives us that long, well thought out and unbiased review.


You know what, I think I might.  Going out of town this weekend and if I don't see anything up when I get back I think I'll pick one up early next week.  Wonder if my local Woodcraft has one in stock?

@redbirdone
That would be great !   I was at my local Festool dealer today.  I had the CT-SYS box in my hands ready to buy.  But I'm holding back the temptation to buy it.  I'm also waiting to hear what others have to say about the CT-SYS.     
It's not something I would use everyday as a hobbyist.  But I often get side jobs and I do a lot around my house.  So having something portable would be a luxury for me.  When I get side jobs I'm taking my CT-Midi.  Which is a bit of a pain because I have to disconnect it from my Kapex every time I want to put a CT in my truck.   

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Offline epicxt

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2016, 06:05 PM »
I purchased a ctl-sys last week for this exact purpose. When I'm on site, I typically have my midi hooked to my Kapex and my ct26 with the Workcenter on it servicing my cms and mft with a splitter on a dust deputy. I often find myself taking my midi to do little cleanups while trimming out houses, which is a pain when I'm still using the Kapex. The ctl-sys has really good suction so far and in small cleanup tasks I don't require much volume. The suction so far has been pretty much on par with my midi.
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Offline Janmara1

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2016, 05:44 AM »
I just bought one and had to use it to clean up the trunk on my suv. It's the absolute best vac period cleaned up all the fuzz that usually sticks to the carpet
The only frustration is that the power cord and vac hose spills over the top
I was thinking about cutting down the vac hose. Haven't done it yet . Noticed that some other folks are having the same storage issue and will attempt to try some of their suggestions. This vac otherwise is superb

Offline handymanty

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2016, 08:45 AM »
i picked up a CT-SYS and a ETS EC 125/3 yesterday.  love them both.  the CT works amazing with the sander both outside at work bench and inside customers house.  i used it for sanding some putty on some built ins I'm working on.  dust control was on point!  also used it for cleaning up my work space inside.  crevice tool is great.  kinda wish it had a round brush as well (like the one in this kit 492392 CT Cleaning Accessory Set).  i have a midi for my tracksaw that i generally use for all day long cutting.  in the past when making just a few cuts i would use the tracksaw dust bag.  but the couple of cuts i needed to make yesterday i just gave the CT-SYS a try.  it worked just as well as my midi.  only downfall is dust capacity and length of hose.  it stacks up to its bigger brothers as far as suction but wins the battle of accessibility and convenience.  so far i really like it. 

Offline L.J

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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2016, 08:36 PM »
Well today I tested it out withe the wings and it works perfectly !!! One note though the CTL-SYS doesn't like max suction and causes a flapper inside to keep opening and closing. I remedied this by cracking open the valve on the wings a tiny bit.
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2016, 10:23 PM »
Well today I tested it out withe the wings and it works perfectly !!! One note though the CTL-SYS doesn't like max suction and causes a flapper inside to keep opening and closing. I remedied this by cracking open the valve on the wings a tiny bit.

What are 'wings' you refer to?

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Offline L.J

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2016, 08:08 PM »
Well today I tested it out withe the wings and it works perfectly !!! One note though the CTL-SYS doesn't like max suction and causes a flapper inside to keep opening and closing. I remedied this by cracking open the valve on the wings a tiny bit.

What are 'wings' you refer to?
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2016, 09:08 AM »
This is a question about suitability in a specific situation.

I enjoy using my Festools to help build sets for local community theater groups. Dust collection at most places consists of a broom and dust pan after the work day is completed. I sometimes bring my Midi to hook up to my track saw or router. I have used the dust bag on my TS 55 with relatively good results.

The TS 55 is used to cut sheets of thin luan underlayment. A normal work day wold involve less than 150 linear feet of cutting. The router is used to trim luan that is used to face platform. Since the edges of the platforms get rather beat up, the practice is to run the facing a small bit long and then trim flush with a router. About 40-50 feet of cutting with  1/4 inch bit would be normal.

I would like to have the greater portability of the CTL SYS for this work and general small jobs around my house. Would the CTL SYS be able to handle the relatively small amount of chips and dust mention above with perhaps one emptying of the long life bag? 

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2016, 09:26 AM »
@jimbo51, yes it would definitely be able to handle it. And, based on my mental image of your tasks, I don't think you'd even be close to filling the bag.

Edit: Here are the capacities of the various CT models for comparison. This is filter bag capacity.

ModelLitersGallons
CT SYS3.50.9
CT MINI7.52
CT MIDI12.53.3
CT 26246.3
CT 36348.9
CT 484612.2
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Offline ear3

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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2016, 10:39 AM »
Thanks Shane -- this is a helpful chart.  So the 2 litre difference in your chart for the 26-48 vacs represents the lower capacity of the bag vs. the theoretical full capacity of the vacuum housing itself?

@jimbo51, yes it would definitely be able to handle it. And, based on my mental image of your tasks, I don't think you'd even be close to filling the bag.

Edit: Here are the capacities of the various CT models for comparison. This is filter bag capacity.

ModelLitersGallons
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CT MINI7.52
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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2016, 10:55 AM »
@Edward A Reno III, yes, that's correct. The bag capacity is slightly lower than the container itself.

I guess another way of thinking about it is this...

CT SYS = CT 4½
CT MINI = CT 10
CT MIDI = CT 15

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Offline redbirdone

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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2016, 08:31 PM »
Picked one up yesterday.  Can't wait to put it through the gauntlet this weekend.  Have to admit that first impression is what a phenomenal design and idea.  Second impression was after pulling everything out and doing a quick 30 second test...how the heck do I get everything back in????  [blink]

Also, it would be a grand slam, out of the park, home run if Festool could make this as an 18v powered vac.  Even if run time was 10 minutes, that's fine by me.  Or have it run off dual 18v packs.  Still a home run. 


Offline L.J

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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2016, 12:21 AM »
I would also like to add that though the extractor appears to meet my needs it isn't particularly quiet though.
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Offline doctr-dan

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2016, 06:58 AM »
The ct sys has problem in that fine dust gets sucked up against the filter and then reduces the suction and puts strain on the motor (that's what it  sounds like) to the point where I could only fill the replaceable bag to 1.5kg and the long life was next to useless with anything fine.
What I have used it for,
Sanding plywood
Cleaning up plasterboard dust
Cutting plywood
Cutting fibre cement
Don't get me wrong I really really want this machine to not have issues but so far I'm a little worried

Offline Kev

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2016, 07:07 AM »
The ct sys has problem in that fine dust gets sucked up against the filter and then reduces the suction and puts strain on the motor (that's what it  sounds like) to the point where I could only fill the replaceable bag to 1.5kg and the long life was next to useless with anything fine.
What I have used it for,
Sanding plywood
Cleaning up plasterboard dust
Cutting plywood
Cutting fibre cement
Don't get me wrong I really really want this machine to not have issues but so far I'm a little worried

I'm kinda glad the CTL-SYS isn't something of value to me. I think it's a great opportunity Festool got more than a little wrong!

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2016, 08:08 AM »
The ct sys has problem in that fine dust gets sucked up against the filter and then reduces the suction and puts strain on the motor (that's what it  sounds like) to the point where I could only fill the replaceable bag to 1.5kg and the long life was next to useless with anything fine.
What I have used it for,
Sanding plywood
Cleaning up plasterboard dust
Cutting plywood
Cutting fibre cement
Don't get me wrong I really really want this machine to not have issues but so far I'm a little worried

Cutting fibre cement I would think is far too taxing on such a small filter bag so I'm not at all surprised the bag clogs up quickly.  Also, if by cleaning up plasterboard dust, you mean sucking up big piles of dust without first broom sweeping, again, I'm not surprised.  However, if sanding/cutting plywood clogs the regular filter bag and/or the long life bag, then that is an abomination.

I really like the idea of this vac but posts like this don't make feel good about this tool.  I will be keeping an eye on all the posts and see what the consensus is.   
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2016, 08:16 AM »
The ct sys has problem in that fine dust gets sucked up against the filter and then reduces the suction and puts strain on the motor (that's what it  sounds like) to the point where I could only fill the replaceable bag to 1.5kg and the long life was next to useless with anything fine.
What I have used it for,
Sanding plywood
Cleaning up plasterboard dust
Cutting plywood
Cutting fibre cement
Don't get me wrong I really really want this machine to not have issues but so far I'm a little worried

I'm kinda glad the CTL-SYS isn't something of value to me. I think it's a great opportunity Festool got more than a little wrong!

 Gotta agree, for what Festool Aus are asking for it down here $600, It would need to be cordless and have variable suction for me to be interested in purchasing one, as it stands at the moment IMO it's just a very small vac with a very large price tag.

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Offline L.J

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2016, 09:03 AM »
The CTL is just a supplement to the larger vacs and probably won't suit everyone's needs nor was it intended too.
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« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2017, 04:35 PM »
I was about to buy this unit for sanding spackle spots in finished units for punch out work where steps are involved.

The fact that there is no suction control in unacceptable.

Cant buy it. Looks like I still have to lug one of my ct 26s around. What a drag.
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« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2017, 04:52 PM »
 ::) Anyone complaining about suction control could just add an adjustable muffle/sleeve to their connection and "Ta-Da"! -> Adjustable suction.

I really like my CTL SYS it's the perfect unit for small things and can really nicely perform on everything you need it to. I never missed any adjustment on it.
Obviously, your mileage may vary. But maybe, you just think you are not able to use something without buzzword & buzzword which you do not actually need...  [wink]

...basically I just want to sell you on the CTL SYS, because I love mine.  [poke]
But on the other hand, I also love my CTM...  [dead horse]

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2017, 06:01 PM »
"Obviously your mileage may vary"
Hey that's DrD's line  haha
I agree ....an adjustable suction fitting works with any vac without the control feature and who can beat the size if needed, plus the systainer fit for travel...
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Offline magellan

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2017, 05:33 AM »
I also recently purchased a SYS VAV    I find it performs as good as any FESTOOL vac.  Impressive actually.   I would like to find a way to moderate the air flow if needed.  An adjustable muffle/sleeve was mentioned.  Where does one acquire something like this to adjust the suction? 

Thank you

Offline grobkuschelig

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« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2017, 03:13 PM »
If you look at the festool range of dust-extraction hand sanding blocks like the 496962, you will see that those have such a muffler built into the dust connector part.
You might be able to find it as a part in EKAT, then it might even be "original". But I think you should be able to find similar parts from anyone doing dust stuff like mirka, etc. etc. as well...

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2017, 10:43 PM »
You could try a different hose.  One that has an adjustable valve at the tool end
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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2017, 02:03 AM »
You could try a different hose.  One that has an adjustable valve at the tool end

Yeah, the unfortunate problem with that solution is no 90 degree elbow for the non-Festool hose, so you aren't able to keep the CT-SYS in the middle of a systainer stack - one of its nifty features. 

It'd be ideal if there was something that could just be used at the end of the OEM 27mm hose.  Still looking for an elegant way to make holes and add a collar of some sort...

On another note, I wonder how difficult it would be to add some kind of small cord reel to the hose garage.
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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2017, 09:37 AM »
You could try a different hose.  One that has an adjustable valve at the tool end

Yeah, the unfortunate problem with that solution is no 90 degree elbow for the non-Festool hose, so you aren't able to keep the CT-SYS in the middle of a systainer stack - one of its nifty features. 

It'd be ideal if there was something that could just be used at the end of the OEM 27mm hose.  Still looking for an elegant way to make holes and add a collar of some sort...

On another note, I wonder how difficult it would be to add some kind of small cord reel to the hose garage.
  I leave the CT-SYS on the top of a stack , and can live with the lack of the 90 degree elbow from the Bosch hose. I've never been happy cramming my hoses into the hose garages for the most part on my larger Festool Vacs, so having a loose, longer than stock hose with the CT doesn't bother me at all. You do have to remove the plastic 'key' on the outside of the Vac end of the Bosch hose,[or a Fein hose since they both use the same hose aligning and retaining method inside their newer vacs], but a quick kiss with a bench grinder and the plastic key is gone, and your hose fits pretty well into the CT-Sys vac inlet hole.
 Having that adjustable blast gate to reduce suction as I need it really completes my CT-SYS vac for my needs. The Blue hose from Bosch is Anti-Static as well.
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2017, 11:28 AM »

Offline NVA_WW

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2017, 12:29 PM »
I think this will fit the end of Festool hoses :

https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/general-accessories/tool-coupling-with-suction-control-order-no-3-13-45-078-01-0/

I tried connecting it straight to the 27mm anti-static Festool hose and it didn't fit.  I did not try taking off the Festool end and putting the Fein on.  I was at the woodworking show and asked the Fein guys if I could borrow it and take it to the Festool booth to try.  They let me, but I wasn't planning on taking things apart.

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2017, 01:03 PM »
I think this will fit the end of Festool hoses :

https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/general-accessories/tool-coupling-with-suction-control-order-no-3-13-45-078-01-0/

I tried connecting it straight to the 27mm anti-static Festool hose and it didn't fit.  I did not try taking off the Festool end and putting the Fein on.  I was at the woodworking show and asked the Fein guys if I could borrow it and take it to the Festool booth to try.  They let me, but I wasn't planning on taking things apart.
. Right, already been down this path. The hose ferrule system between Festool and Bosch/Fein is currently different . If the inner sleeves and ring system from Fein will fit the inner and outer diameter of the 27mm or stock CT-SYS hose, we will have a winner....
I decided I liked the smaller 22mm Bosch hose so much for my purposes that I left modifying a Festool hose alone for now.
 Having taken a Bosch 35mm hose connector apart that is a very similar version of that 27mm FEIN connector, their plastic ring with the 2 spring locking tabs which engage those holes in the end of the fitting seem weaker than what Festool is currently doing.
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Offline live4ever

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2017, 01:13 PM »
I ordered the Fein to see if it will work.  If not, simple return. 

I have a number of Bosch/Fein 35mm hoses (my other extractors are Feins), so I could always use those with the Bosch suction adjuster, but first want to see definitively if I can use the Festool hose.  Part of the reason for getting the CT-SYS was to keep things as tidy and portable as possible so using the larger Bosch hoses doesn't satisfy the OCD driving the purchase.   [tongue]

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2017, 01:19 PM »
I ordered the Fein to see if it will work.  If not, simple return. 

I have a number of Bosch/Fein 35mm hoses (my other extractors are Feins), so I could always use those with the Bosch suction adjuster, but first want to see definitively if I can use the Festool hose.  Part of the reason for getting the CT-SYS was to keep things as tidy and portable as possible so using the larger Bosch hoses doesn't satisfy the OCD driving the purchase.   [tongue]
. If you're getting the adjustable nozzle by itself, you'll need the guts of the mounting system with those sleeves and the plastic retaining ring that fits the Fein or Bosch nozzles.
I'll see if I still have pictures of the one I took apart to show some friends the differences between Festool and Fein/Bosch hose systems.
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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2017, 01:38 PM »
Here is the inner retaining system with the nozzle removed off of it.
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2017, 01:41 PM »
Another view....
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2017, 01:46 PM »
I see I see.  Ugh...this probably won't work well without even more $.  Let me ask you this (because I'm too lazy to just go try it) - do you find you still need to dial down the suction when you use a 35mm hose?
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2017, 04:22 PM »
I see I see.  Ugh...this probably won't work well without even more $.  Let me ask you this (because I'm too lazy to just go try it) - do you find you still need to dial down the suction when you use a 35mm hose?
  I haven't run any other hose in the CT- Sys besides the stock one and my smaller 22mm AS Bosch hose. I think a much larger 35mm hose won't change certain sanding situations with high grit paper and smooth surface, where your sander is fighting moving around on the surface due to too high of a vacuum level AND very smooth surface, even at the lower CFM output of the CT-Sys.
 BUT, I think the ferrule/sleeve kits from Fein aren't that expensive, I just haven't found one in a 27mm size, only 35mm and 22mm. Since you actually found their 27mm nozzle, you KNOW they make that sleeve kit for 27mm hose.  What web-site did you find that, Fein USA or Fein International? So, dig a bit deeper and FIND THAT sleeve kit for you.....and for us..... [wink]
 I'll post what the 35mm 'repair' kit costs as they're calling it to fix a hose end or nozzle retaining section once I look it up again.
  Okay- no luck with a 27mm kit, but here is the 35mm kit--- 31345069010.
 You can easily see it in the link that antss provided once you back into the accessories portion of the Catalog for Dust Extractors.  Fein show both 27mm and 35mm dust nozzles with the valves, but only a hose repair kit for the 35mm hose.

https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/general-accessories/repair-kit-order-no-3-13-45-069-01-0/?back=1&start=app&productId=316208
« Last Edit: April 28, 2017, 04:32 PM by leakyroof »
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2017, 06:47 PM »
This isn't a review but it is a good demo from a good friend of mine that many of you may recognize:




Offline live4ever

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2017, 07:04 PM »
I see I see.  Ugh...this probably won't work well without even more $.  Let me ask you this (because I'm too lazy to just go try it) - do you find you still need to dial down the suction when you use a 35mm hose?
  I haven't run any other hose in the CT- Sys besides the stock one and my smaller 22mm AS Bosch hose. I think a much larger 35mm hose won't change certain sanding situations with high grit paper and smooth surface, where your sander is fighting moving around on the surface due to too high of a vacuum level AND very smooth surface, even at the lower CFM output of the CT-Sys.
 BUT, I think the ferrule/sleeve kits from Fein aren't that expensive, I just haven't found one in a 27mm size, only 35mm and 22mm. Since you actually found their 27mm nozzle, you KNOW they make that sleeve kit for 27mm hose.  What web-site did you find that, Fein USA or Fein International? So, dig a bit deeper and FIND THAT sleeve kit for you.....and for us..... [wink]
 I'll post what the 35mm 'repair' kit costs as they're calling it to fix a hose end or nozzle retaining section once I look it up again.
  Okay- no luck with a 27mm kit, but here is the 35mm kit--- 31345069010.
 You can easily see it in the link that antss provided once you back into the accessories portion of the Catalog for Dust Extractors.  Fein show both 27mm and 35mm dust nozzles with the valves, but only a hose repair kit for the 35mm hose.

https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/general-accessories/repair-kit-order-no-3-13-45-069-01-0/?back=1&start=app&productId=316208

Here's what I ordered - pricey little bugger.  Will take a week or so to get here so until then we'll see what I can dig up regarding the hose side of things. 
http://www.rockler.com/fein-tool-coupler-with-suction-control-for-turbo-i-and-turbo-ii

EDIT:
The part number you posted does appear to be the 27mm hose repair kit according to this site as well as ToolNut and some other retailers:
http://www.toolfetch.com/fein-31345069010-repl-hose-end-tool-1-1-16-in.html

Another $35 though.  I'm not loving that price tag for the whole solution.  Bah.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2017, 07:12 PM by live4ever »
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2017, 11:41 PM »
Well that's weird since the description on Fein's web site only mentions the 35mm application and not the smaller 27mm hose fitting it as well..... [doh] [doh].  Almost comical at this point. Guess we'll wait for your report on that ordered hose nozzle.
 OKAY, I looked into this some more and here's what I found.
 I studied that Hose Repair kit , doesn't look like it would fit different diameter hoses, just a 35mm like as listed by FEIN on their web site. Not sure why other web sites are contradicting Fein's own info from their web site.
 Since I DO own a new Turbo 1 Fein vac, I checked mine, and it came with the 27mm flexible rubber nozzle which fits your Festool and other tool dust ports. But the hose end of it is still only for the stock Fein 35mm hose. SO, since I could use the repair kit anyway, I'm ordering the repair kit, and we'll find out what it fits, or doesn't fit.... [thumbs up]
« Last Edit: May 02, 2017, 12:38 PM by leakyroof »
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2017, 05:39 PM »
Just to update the previous posts regarding adding suction control to end of the 27mm Festool hose...it works with a Fein adjustable suction tool coupler (31345078010, approx $35) and a Fein 1-1/16" hose repair kit (31345069010, also approx $35).  The total cost of this solution is a ludicrous $70 and 2 minutes, but it does allow the addition of suction control to the OEM 27mm hose, so this all can still fit (barely) in the CT-SYS hose garage.  The Fein coupler is a bit bigger than the Festool, so it makes squeezing into the hose garage a little tighter, but still doable.  Fits all the tools just fein (haha hoho hehe). 

First pic is of the pertinent two pieces of the hose repair kit threaded onto the Festool hose (after removal of the Festool end). 
Second pic size comparison.

EDIT update:  So as I was putting strain on the new hose end trying to jam it into the hose garage, I was able to pop off the repair kit part from the hose.  It seems to thread fine onto the hose, but if you bend and tug at it it can come off.  Doesn't seem like a huge problem with normal use but trying to shove it into the hose garage did loosen it, especially bending it at the end.  I will experiment with the kit further to see if there's something I'm missing.  Alternatively, some epoxy would make it more permanent. 
« Last Edit: May 06, 2017, 07:24 PM by live4ever »
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2017, 08:43 PM »
Just to update the previous posts regarding adding suction control to end of the 27mm Festool hose...it works with a Fein adjustable suction tool coupler (31345078010, approx $35) and a Fein 1-1/16" hose repair kit (31345069010, also approx $35).  The total cost of this solution is a ludicrous $70 and 2 minutes, but it does allow the addition of suction control to the OEM 27mm hose, so this all can still fit (barely) in the CT-SYS hose garage.  The Fein coupler is a bit bigger than the Festool, so it makes squeezing into the hose garage a little tighter, but still doable.  Fits all the tools just fein (haha hoho hehe). 

First pic is of the pertinent two pieces of the hose repair kit threaded onto the Festool hose (after removal of the Festool end). 
Second pic size comparison.

EDIT update:  So as I was putting strain on the new hose end trying to jam it into the hose garage, I was able to pop off the repair kit part from the hose.  It seems to thread fine onto the hose, but if you bend and tug at it it can come off.  Doesn't seem like a huge problem with normal use but trying to shove it into the hose garage did loosen it, especially bending it at the end.  I will experiment with the kit further to see if there's something I'm missing.  Alternatively, some epoxy would make it more permanent.
. Thanks for the pictures. My parts are on their way. Nice to know the repair kit fits the 27mm hose....
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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2019, 01:59 AM »
Picked one up yesterday.  Can't wait to put it through the gauntlet this weekend.  Have to admit that first impression is what a phenomenal design and idea.  Second impression was after pulling everything out and doing a quick 30 second test...how the heck do I get everything back in????  [blink]

Also, it would be a grand slam, out of the park, home run if Festool could make this as an 18v powered vac.  Even if run time was 10 minutes, that's fine by me.  Or have it run off dual 18v packs.  Still a home run.


Indeed, that would be perfect.I’m a boatbuilder/shipwright and the majority of my mobile/onsite tools are cordless ,(Festool and Makita). Metabo make an 18v vacuum in a Systainer size box but it is difficult to get in NZ. As you said, it would be great if Festool made a 18/36v version.
(I realise this discussion is fairly old but I only just read it and thought the Metabo vacuum was worth mentioning)

https://www.metabo.com/com/en/tools/cordless-tools/cordless-vacuum-cleaner/as-18-l-pc-602021000-cordless-vacuum-cleaner.html
https://www.metabo.com/com/en/tools/cordless-tools/cordless-vacuum-cleaner/as-18-l-pc-602021000-cordless-vacuum-cleaner.html

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2019, 12:01 PM »
Does the cT SYS have a variable suction control like its big sisters?

Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2019, 12:08 PM »
Does the cT SYS have a variable suction control like its big sisters?

Mine does not.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2019, 12:44 PM »
So if the CT SYS does not have variable suction control how does it do with Festool sanders? I know in my shop, with my CT 36, I have to turn the suction way down or sanding with my FT sanders is a miserable fight. Has anyone experienced difficulty from too much suction while sanding and using the CT SYS? Does Festool make a damper of sorts that you can put inline on the hose to reduce suction if needed?

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Re: CTL-SYS
« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2019, 01:10 PM »
Dont have much of a problem with mine.  The unit has less CFM and static lift and that seems to make a difference.  Its not as good as a unit with variable power, but it works pretty good.