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CTL SYS - Review.
« on: November 16, 2015, 10:21 AM »
I'm in love. Well, as far as one can fall in love with a tool.



A lot of what I do on a day to day basis whenever I find the time is fairly small stuff. Drill a few holes, make a few cuts, light sanding and keeping the car clean. I wanted a dust extractor for this type of work that would be easy to transport and set up, but most importantly with enough power to qualify as a real dust extractor.

Not as a replacement for a shop vac but additionally, to keep the shop vac, exactly, in the shop.

Now the power of the CTL SYS surprised me. It can keep the Drilling dust nozzle D 27-BSD attached to the ceiling without any problems and the suction is still high enough to make drilling overhead a pleasant experience, almost dust free. What doesn't work so well, but I guess it's rather the nozzle than the vac, is attaching it to clinker (stones), it simply doesn't get a hold on it. Maybe more suction would help it to stay in place but I'm not sure. It seems the sealing lid is pretty hard and to small to effectively seal off the gaps between the clinker (stones).



In conjunction with my Bosch Professional GST 135 CE it works like a charm. Of course best when the small, clear plastic cap in front of the saw blade is installed, but also without it dust collection is at about 93-95% (estimated guess) which makes me pretty happy.



The auto on/off feature is another great feature that I'm happy to have now, another real time saver and rated up to 1200W it's suitable for most tools I have - nicely done Festool! Building such a small vac to this standard is the work of a genius. I was skeptical at first, also because of the fairly small dust capacity (if you just compare numbers) but after a few weeks of using the CTL SYS this thoughts have vanished completely and I'm happy to have made the purchase.



Speaking of the capacity of the dust bag/dust collector it seems it is high enough to easily last through a day or three with typical workload. I mean, I wouldn't recommend it for large scale sanding work (drywall i.e.) but when you need a highly compact vac to work on window frames, maybe while standing on a ladder/scaffolding the CTL SYS makes your ideal companion. Same goes for drilling stone and concrete - maybe not for use with large diameter hole saws but up to 12mm diameter drill bits (as set out by the drilling dust nozzle) I don't see any problems at all. I think it would also work for up to 16 maybe 20mm diameter drill bits without causing real problems but I haven't tried that yet, rest assured I will :)

What I'm not a 100% happy with is the hose and cable storage. While it is clear that with such a compact design there have to be compromises I wish the hose depot would habe been a little larger. The hose itself fits perfectly, but the cable is always a bit tricky to get in, especially when you want to add other Systainer on top you need to roll and place the cable pretty neatly to make it work. It's a little bit of a hassle but, again, no real problem. Maybe at some point there will be some changes to the hose depot, that would be great.

Another Idea would be a large "Cleaning/Installation Kit" that includes everything from the floor cleaning accessories to the brushes drilling dust nozzle and a pair or two of CT-Wings - all in one Systainer, neatly packed. Maybe with extra space for additional consumables (Filter and Bags).

All in all I'm very, very happy with the CTL SYS and I don't want to be without it ever again. Useful, compact and fits perfectly with the tools.

Kind regards,
Oliver








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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2015, 11:37 AM »

Another Idea would be a large "Cleaning/Installation Kit" that includes everything from the floor cleaning accessories to the brushes drilling dust nozzle and a pair or two of CT-Wings - all in one Systainer, neatly packed. Maybe with extra space for additional consumables (Filter and Bags).

Sounds like purchasing another systainer for your set up, where you could store the hose, Drill dust collector and other accessories, would be an easy option. Maybe a sys3 or 4. Systainers are like clamps, you can never have enough.  ;D

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2015, 05:52 PM »
Hey Festool.  When do we drop the N from the NAINA on the CTL-SYS?
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2015, 05:59 PM »
+ Hey Festool, please put adjustable suction into the CTL Sys too:) I would love to use this around the house for small jobs with the sanders, but without this it´s not doable.

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2015, 06:48 PM »
One more question -- what is the CFM on this unit?  I tried looking on the Festool website and couldn't find a rating translatable to the standard CFM measurement, which, for the other Festool vacs, is 130 (Mini/Midi) or 137 (CT26-48)
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2015, 03:32 AM »
One more question -- what is the CFM on this unit?  I tried looking on the Festool website and couldn't find a rating translatable to the standard CFM measurement, which, for the other Festool vacs, is 130 (Mini/Midi) or 137 (CT26-48)

Specs on the UK site state that it's 3,000 litres/minute. Converting, that comes out at 106 cfm.
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2015, 07:05 AM »
Thanks.

One more question -- what is the CFM on this unit?  I tried looking on the Festool website and couldn't find a rating translatable to the standard CFM measurement, which, for the other Festool vacs, is 130 (Mini/Midi) or 137 (CT26-48)

Specs on the UK site state that it's 3,000 litres/minute. Converting, that comes out at 106 cfm.
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2015, 10:32 AM »
@six-point socket

Nice review Oliver, I'm envious that the CTL SYS is not available in the states [sad] [crying] [sad].

Just curious if this vac is also rated for wet service or is it dry only?

Like you...I'm a real fan of the 500483 drilling dust nozzle. I've been using it alot lately on smooth plaster and drywall. In overhead applications there's very little dust that gets away.

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2015, 10:39 AM »
Hey @Cheese, the vac is only rated for dry service. :)

Kind regards,
Oliver

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2015, 12:33 PM »
Thanks Oliver...

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2015, 02:38 PM »
We'll wait for the souped-up version that can handle the Kapex and fit on the bottom of an updated UG Cart! Well, we can always wish...  [smile]
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2015, 03:34 PM »
Great little dust extractor indeed, awesome for small indoor projects like for example drilling a couple mounting holes in the wall or replacing some kitchen doors.

I do agree on the hose garage, it's a tiny bit on the small side. Maybe making the hose only 3m instead of 3.5 would help? Perhaps that would limit the reach towards ceilings somewhat though... I would not have minded it being the size of a sys2, its only half again bigger then a sys1 after all.

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2015, 04:26 PM »
Great little dust extractor indeed, awesome for small indoor projects like for example drilling a couple mounting holes in the wall or replacing some kitchen doors.

I do agree on the hose garage, it's a tiny bit on the small side. Maybe making the hose only 3m instead of 3.5 would help? Perhaps that would limit the reach towards ceilings somewhat though... I would not have minded it being the size of a sys2, its only half again bigger then a sys1 after all.

I think the hose is already 3 meters. And shorter than that could be a bit of a shortcoming.

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2015, 05:16 PM »
I wouldn't agree that they should shorten the hose. It has a good length in my opinion for various tasks including overhead/ceiling work. The same goes for the length of the cable - and given the overall size I understand that there had to be compromises in terms of ease of packing. I couldn't even give real advice on how packing could be improved given the limitations set out by the Systainer dimensions, it's just a note from working with it and ultimately having to wrap it up after work.

But ultimately, hose depot the size of a sys 2 instead of sys 1 would be a good idea, completely agree with that! :)

Kind regards,
Oliver

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2015, 06:27 PM »
Could seating the hose back into CTL -SYS garage all be be down to technic.
 The reason I ask this is because with the Midi if you get it all wrong then it's also a pain but once you have learnt the technic, the hose and cable all fits in very well.

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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2015, 04:57 AM »
The hose on the CTL-SYS is already reduced to 3m. A 3.5m hose won't fit in the hose garage.

3m doesn't sound too bad, but when you're using it with a router or a track saw for example, it's amazing how the lack of that extra 500mm can inhibit you.

I've said it before, but Festool should IMHO have made the hose garage portion of the CTL SYS the height of a sys2 instead of a sys1. That way, a 3.5m hose would have easily fitted, and there'd be more space for the cable. It would also then have an overall height of a sys4, so you could use the vac along with the TS55 systainer  as support for the material...
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2015, 03:38 PM »
Oopsie, I assumed it was 3.5m. Guess I was wrong  [embarassed]

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2016, 08:02 AM »
I've the also a CTL SYS and I love it! I'm thinking to buy a CTL MIDI for larger and longer jobs.

Question about both extractors. Are they also useable without a filter bag? Because in the specs of the CTL SYS they write 4.5/3.5L.
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2016, 09:07 AM »
Hi!

You can use the CTL-SYS without filter bag.

Kind regards,
Oliver

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2016, 09:32 AM »
Hi!

You can use the CTL-SYS without filter bag.

Kind regards,
Oliver

I would not recommend using any Festool vac without a filter bag.  The problem is that with no filter bag the main can/will clog almost immediately greatly reducing suction.  This the main problem with regular shop vac type vacuums. 
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2016, 09:41 AM »
Great advice! Didn't know that - never used mine without the bag.

Kind regards,
Oliver

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2016, 11:02 AM »
Hi!

You can use the CTL-SYS without filter bag.

Kind regards,
Oliver

I would not recommend using any Festool vac without a filter bag.  The problem is that with no filter bag the main can/will clog almost immediately greatly reducing suction.  This the main problem with regular shop vac type vacuums.

Well, Brice, Fine Woodworking assumes everyone uses their dc without the bag. I wonder if they remove the air filters on their cars and trucks. From my perspective that DC article was the biggest disservice they foisted on their readers.
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2016, 04:01 PM »
Maybe use an extractor without a paperbag in combination with a miter saw and track saw? They give less dust, but more pieces of wood???
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2016, 06:26 PM »
Maybe use an extractor without a paperbag in combination with a miter saw and track saw? They give less dust, but more pieces of wood???

That will still clog the main filter.  If you want to get the most out of your Festool vac use a filter bag.
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2016, 08:25 AM »
Any plans for a 110v version?! its the only thing holding me back

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2016, 11:46 AM »
@six-point socket
Nice review Oliver, I'm envious that the CTL SYS is not available in the states [sad] [crying] [sad].

Any plans for a 110v version?! its the only thing holding me back

Looks like you guys are in luck!

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/new!-ct-sys-mobile-hepa-dust-extractor-in-systainer-format!/

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2016, 11:49 AM »
And for the Brits - this is available at the moment from N&B with a free cleaning kit in a SYS1 for quote: 'the next couple of months'. 

http://www.powertool-supplies.co.uk/festool-mobile-dust-extractor-ctl-sys-gb-240v-cleantec.html

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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2016, 11:49 PM »
Has anyone tried out the CTL SYS with the CT wing?  How much sticking/holding power does it have compared to a normal CT?

The only downside I experienced using the full CT with the CT Wing was the tremendous noise it generated as compared with the normal quiet purr of the vac.
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2016, 12:01 AM »
You'd have to make a hose adapter for the CT Wings.

Tom

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2016, 12:11 AM »
@tjbnwi Why?  Is the hose end fitting profile of the CTL-Sys different from that of the normal 27mm hose on the standard CTs?

You'd have to make a hose adapter for the CT Wings.

Tom
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