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CTL SYS - Review.
« on: November 16, 2015, 10:21 AM »
I'm in love. Well, as far as one can fall in love with a tool.



A lot of what I do on a day to day basis whenever I find the time is fairly small stuff. Drill a few holes, make a few cuts, light sanding and keeping the car clean. I wanted a dust extractor for this type of work that would be easy to transport and set up, but most importantly with enough power to qualify as a real dust extractor.

Not as a replacement for a shop vac but additionally, to keep the shop vac, exactly, in the shop.

Now the power of the CTL SYS surprised me. It can keep the Drilling dust nozzle D 27-BSD attached to the ceiling without any problems and the suction is still high enough to make drilling overhead a pleasant experience, almost dust free. What doesn't work so well, but I guess it's rather the nozzle than the vac, is attaching it to clinker (stones), it simply doesn't get a hold on it. Maybe more suction would help it to stay in place but I'm not sure. It seems the sealing lid is pretty hard and to small to effectively seal off the gaps between the clinker (stones).



In conjunction with my Bosch Professional GST 135 CE it works like a charm. Of course best when the small, clear plastic cap in front of the saw blade is installed, but also without it dust collection is at about 93-95% (estimated guess) which makes me pretty happy.



The auto on/off feature is another great feature that I'm happy to have now, another real time saver and rated up to 1200W it's suitable for most tools I have - nicely done Festool! Building such a small vac to this standard is the work of a genius. I was skeptical at first, also because of the fairly small dust capacity (if you just compare numbers) but after a few weeks of using the CTL SYS this thoughts have vanished completely and I'm happy to have made the purchase.



Speaking of the capacity of the dust bag/dust collector it seems it is high enough to easily last through a day or three with typical workload. I mean, I wouldn't recommend it for large scale sanding work (drywall i.e.) but when you need a highly compact vac to work on window frames, maybe while standing on a ladder/scaffolding the CTL SYS makes your ideal companion. Same goes for drilling stone and concrete - maybe not for use with large diameter hole saws but up to 12mm diameter drill bits (as set out by the drilling dust nozzle) I don't see any problems at all. I think it would also work for up to 16 maybe 20mm diameter drill bits without causing real problems but I haven't tried that yet, rest assured I will :)

What I'm not a 100% happy with is the hose and cable storage. While it is clear that with such a compact design there have to be compromises I wish the hose depot would habe been a little larger. The hose itself fits perfectly, but the cable is always a bit tricky to get in, especially when you want to add other Systainer on top you need to roll and place the cable pretty neatly to make it work. It's a little bit of a hassle but, again, no real problem. Maybe at some point there will be some changes to the hose depot, that would be great.

Another Idea would be a large "Cleaning/Installation Kit" that includes everything from the floor cleaning accessories to the brushes drilling dust nozzle and a pair or two of CT-Wings - all in one Systainer, neatly packed. Maybe with extra space for additional consumables (Filter and Bags).

All in all I'm very, very happy with the CTL SYS and I don't want to be without it ever again. Useful, compact and fits perfectly with the tools.

Kind regards,
Oliver








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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2015, 11:37 AM »

Another Idea would be a large "Cleaning/Installation Kit" that includes everything from the floor cleaning accessories to the brushes drilling dust nozzle and a pair or two of CT-Wings - all in one Systainer, neatly packed. Maybe with extra space for additional consumables (Filter and Bags).

Sounds like purchasing another systainer for your set up, where you could store the hose, Drill dust collector and other accessories, would be an easy option. Maybe a sys3 or 4. Systainers are like clamps, you can never have enough.  ;D

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2015, 05:52 PM »
Hey Festool.  When do we drop the N from the NAINA on the CTL-SYS?
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2015, 05:59 PM »
+ Hey Festool, please put adjustable suction into the CTL Sys too:) I would love to use this around the house for small jobs with the sanders, but without this it´s not doable.

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2015, 06:48 PM »
One more question -- what is the CFM on this unit?  I tried looking on the Festool website and couldn't find a rating translatable to the standard CFM measurement, which, for the other Festool vacs, is 130 (Mini/Midi) or 137 (CT26-48)
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2015, 03:32 AM »
One more question -- what is the CFM on this unit?  I tried looking on the Festool website and couldn't find a rating translatable to the standard CFM measurement, which, for the other Festool vacs, is 130 (Mini/Midi) or 137 (CT26-48)

Specs on the UK site state that it's 3,000 litres/minute. Converting, that comes out at 106 cfm.
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2015, 07:05 AM »
Thanks.

One more question -- what is the CFM on this unit?  I tried looking on the Festool website and couldn't find a rating translatable to the standard CFM measurement, which, for the other Festool vacs, is 130 (Mini/Midi) or 137 (CT26-48)

Specs on the UK site state that it's 3,000 litres/minute. Converting, that comes out at 106 cfm.
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2015, 10:32 AM »
@six-point socket

Nice review Oliver, I'm envious that the CTL SYS is not available in the states [sad] [crying] [sad].

Just curious if this vac is also rated for wet service or is it dry only?

Like you...I'm a real fan of the 500483 drilling dust nozzle. I've been using it alot lately on smooth plaster and drywall. In overhead applications there's very little dust that gets away.

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2015, 10:39 AM »
Hey @Cheese, the vac is only rated for dry service. :)

Kind regards,
Oliver

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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2015, 12:33 PM »
Thanks Oliver...

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2015, 02:38 PM »
We'll wait for the souped-up version that can handle the Kapex and fit on the bottom of an updated UG Cart! Well, we can always wish...  [smile]
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2015, 03:34 PM »
Great little dust extractor indeed, awesome for small indoor projects like for example drilling a couple mounting holes in the wall or replacing some kitchen doors.

I do agree on the hose garage, it's a tiny bit on the small side. Maybe making the hose only 3m instead of 3.5 would help? Perhaps that would limit the reach towards ceilings somewhat though... I would not have minded it being the size of a sys2, its only half again bigger then a sys1 after all.

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2015, 04:26 PM »
Great little dust extractor indeed, awesome for small indoor projects like for example drilling a couple mounting holes in the wall or replacing some kitchen doors.

I do agree on the hose garage, it's a tiny bit on the small side. Maybe making the hose only 3m instead of 3.5 would help? Perhaps that would limit the reach towards ceilings somewhat though... I would not have minded it being the size of a sys2, its only half again bigger then a sys1 after all.

I think the hose is already 3 meters. And shorter than that could be a bit of a shortcoming.

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2015, 05:16 PM »
I wouldn't agree that they should shorten the hose. It has a good length in my opinion for various tasks including overhead/ceiling work. The same goes for the length of the cable - and given the overall size I understand that there had to be compromises in terms of ease of packing. I couldn't even give real advice on how packing could be improved given the limitations set out by the Systainer dimensions, it's just a note from working with it and ultimately having to wrap it up after work.

But ultimately, hose depot the size of a sys 2 instead of sys 1 would be a good idea, completely agree with that! :)

Kind regards,
Oliver

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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2015, 06:27 PM »
Could seating the hose back into CTL -SYS garage all be be down to technic.
 The reason I ask this is because with the Midi if you get it all wrong then it's also a pain but once you have learnt the technic, the hose and cable all fits in very well.

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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2015, 04:57 AM »
The hose on the CTL-SYS is already reduced to 3m. A 3.5m hose won't fit in the hose garage.

3m doesn't sound too bad, but when you're using it with a router or a track saw for example, it's amazing how the lack of that extra 500mm can inhibit you.

I've said it before, but Festool should IMHO have made the hose garage portion of the CTL SYS the height of a sys2 instead of a sys1. That way, a 3.5m hose would have easily fitted, and there'd be more space for the cable. It would also then have an overall height of a sys4, so you could use the vac along with the TS55 systainer  as support for the material...
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2015, 03:38 PM »
Oopsie, I assumed it was 3.5m. Guess I was wrong  [embarassed]

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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2016, 08:02 AM »
I've the also a CTL SYS and I love it! I'm thinking to buy a CTL MIDI for larger and longer jobs.

Question about both extractors. Are they also useable without a filter bag? Because in the specs of the CTL SYS they write 4.5/3.5L.
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2016, 09:07 AM »
Hi!

You can use the CTL-SYS without filter bag.

Kind regards,
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2016, 09:32 AM »
Hi!

You can use the CTL-SYS without filter bag.

Kind regards,
Oliver

I would not recommend using any Festool vac without a filter bag.  The problem is that with no filter bag the main can/will clog almost immediately greatly reducing suction.  This the main problem with regular shop vac type vacuums. 
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2016, 09:41 AM »
Great advice! Didn't know that - never used mine without the bag.

Kind regards,
Oliver

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2016, 11:02 AM »
Hi!

You can use the CTL-SYS without filter bag.

Kind regards,
Oliver

I would not recommend using any Festool vac without a filter bag.  The problem is that with no filter bag the main can/will clog almost immediately greatly reducing suction.  This the main problem with regular shop vac type vacuums.

Well, Brice, Fine Woodworking assumes everyone uses their dc without the bag. I wonder if they remove the air filters on their cars and trucks. From my perspective that DC article was the biggest disservice they foisted on their readers.
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2016, 04:01 PM »
Maybe use an extractor without a paperbag in combination with a miter saw and track saw? They give less dust, but more pieces of wood???
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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2016, 06:26 PM »
Maybe use an extractor without a paperbag in combination with a miter saw and track saw? They give less dust, but more pieces of wood???

That will still clog the main filter.  If you want to get the most out of your Festool vac use a filter bag.
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2016, 08:25 AM »
Any plans for a 110v version?! its the only thing holding me back

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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2016, 11:46 AM »
@six-point socket
Nice review Oliver, I'm envious that the CTL SYS is not available in the states [sad] [crying] [sad].

Any plans for a 110v version?! its the only thing holding me back

Looks like you guys are in luck!

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/new!-ct-sys-mobile-hepa-dust-extractor-in-systainer-format!/

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2016, 11:49 AM »
And for the Brits - this is available at the moment from N&B with a free cleaning kit in a SYS1 for quote: 'the next couple of months'. 

http://www.powertool-supplies.co.uk/festool-mobile-dust-extractor-ctl-sys-gb-240v-cleantec.html

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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2016, 11:49 PM »
Has anyone tried out the CTL SYS with the CT wing?  How much sticking/holding power does it have compared to a normal CT?

The only downside I experienced using the full CT with the CT Wing was the tremendous noise it generated as compared with the normal quiet purr of the vac.
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2016, 12:01 AM »
You'd have to make a hose adapter for the CT Wings.

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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2016, 12:11 AM »
@tjbnwi Why?  Is the hose end fitting profile of the CTL-Sys different from that of the normal 27mm hose on the standard CTs?

You'd have to make a hose adapter for the CT Wings.

Tom
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« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2016, 12:13 AM »
@tjbnwi Why?  Is the hose end fitting profile of the CTL-Sys different from that of the normal 27mm hose on the standard CTs?

You'd have to make a hose adapter for the CT Wings.

Tom

My mistake---I was thinking the VAC SYS. I'm old and easily confused.

Tom

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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2016, 12:17 AM »
No worries.
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2016, 12:02 PM »
I'm using my CTL SYS for a non woodworking task, and probably way over engineered. Besides woodworking I do reloading for long range target shooting, and as such consume a significant amount of ammunition. In preparing rifle brass one of the many steps is to trim the brass to length and I use a Dillon 650 progressive press fitted with a case trimmer (basically a carbide tipped cutter on a motor). To collect the brass shavings I needed a vacuum and the Lowes model I initially bought for the task is akin to standing on the wrong end of a jet plane at take off. Hence my purchase of a CTL SYS, much quieter, and although it has a relatively small volume in the bag, I only generate a very small amount of brass shavings. It also fits nicely under my reloading table.
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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2016, 04:02 PM »
Hi,

Having the CTL-SYS since November '15 I thought I should add/share some thoughts of my longer term experience with it, especially since it is now also available in the US.

The CTL-SYS has become my most used vac during the last 6 months. I use it with my jigsaw, oscillating-multitool, rotary hammer and cordless drills/drivers. I use it to clean the cars and on various occasions as of lately also as an air blower. Whenever I need a vac I reach for the CTL-SYS first and only in a couple of cases where I needed more dust/debris-collecting-volume I reached for a bigger vac, never because the CTL-SYS lacked power/suction or for any other reason.

After what Brice said I didn't/don't use it without a filter bag. It's not that they would cost an arm and a leg anyway and if it saves me hassle/repairs later on - totally worth it. Plus it's a lot easier/cleaner to trash a sealed bag than the contents of a container.

What I didn't realize as special at first is that the vac runs a little longer after the tool stops drawing power from it in automatic mode, I kinda expect this because it if very useful - especially when drilling. But a pro who borrowed and used my CTL-SYS when he was working for me was actually pretty excited about that among other things like: size, weight, connectivity and power. Seems not every (shop) vac with integrated outlet runs a little longer than the tool does. I guess we have another convert, he definitely wanted to ask his boss to buy one.

The truth is that everyone who I showed this little vac to was pretty excited about it and I'm too till this day.

I really didn't come across anything new that I didn't like.

As I didn't use it yet while sanding/grinding I really can't tell if the lack of variable suction is really that much of a problem, sooner or later I will find out obviously and make my decision on that.

Until then I'm tempted to say that the CTL-SYS really is a perfectly well executed little vac.

Kind regards,
Oliver

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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2016, 03:48 PM »
I have a little time left in the 30 day return window on my CT-Sys, and I am still on the fence about it.  I got it as a more portable option for the occasional site work I do, and as a complementary vac in the shop to save time between switching the hose among various tools (especially when I'm moving back and forth between the 36mm and the 27mm hoses).  The lack of variable suction is an issue for me as it prevents working effectively with the RTS400 and the HSK sanding block.

Just this morning, though, I moved a bit more into the pro/keeper column, when I did a quick cleanup in the house.  I've previously hauled in the CT26 from the shop to do this, but thought I'd test out the CT-Sys for this operation.  Hooked up to a 36mm hose it ended up having plenty of power to do all the necessary house cleaning tasks, and it was great to be able to carry it on my shoulder and maneuver around the tables and chairs instead of constantly banging into their corners as would happen with the CT26.  I didn't get a chance to test out the turbo suction brush on the carpet, but am gonna try this later today and see how it goes.
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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2016, 03:43 PM »
I have a little time left in the 30 day return window on my CT-Sys, and I am still on the fence about it.  I got it as a more portable option for the occasional site work I do, and as a complementary vac in the shop to save time between switching the hose among various tools (especially when I'm moving back and forth between the 36mm and the 27mm hoses).  The lack of variable suction is an issue for me as it prevents working effectively with the RTS400 and the HSK sanding block.

Just this morning, though, I moved a bit more into the pro/keeper column, when I did a quick cleanup in the house.  I've previously hauled in the CT26 from the shop to do this, but thought I'd test out the CT-Sys for this operation.  Hooked up to a 36mm hose it ended up having plenty of power to do all the necessary house cleaning tasks, and it was great to be able to carry it on my shoulder and maneuver around the tables and chairs instead of constantly banging into their corners as would happen with the CT26.  I didn't get a chance to test out the turbo suction brush on the carpet, but am gonna try this later today and see how it goes.
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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2016, 07:14 AM »
Ended up returning my CT-Sys yesterday to the dealer, a couple of days shy of the 30 days window.

I think the main thing is that looking ahead over the next year, I'm simply going to be too busy to take on much site work, and so I can't really justify having another CT for the couple of times when I might be called on site.   If it had variable suction, I think I might have still kept it, as it would be a great adjunct for some of the regular sanding tasks I have in the shop.  But the lack of variable suction limits which sanders I can use it with, and excludes the HSK in particular, which I use a fair amount.
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Offline fuzzy logic

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2016, 10:21 AM »
Agree with all the comments made, across various threads, wrt inability to reduce suction. 
Why, why, why - not included. 

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2016, 01:26 AM »
Ended up returning my CT-Sys yesterday to the dealer, a couple of days shy of the 30 days window.

I think the main thing is that looking ahead over the next year, I'm simply going to be too busy to take on much site work, and so I can't really justify having another CT for the couple of times when I might be called on site.   If it had variable suction, I think I might have still kept it, as it would be a great adjunct for some of the regular sanding tasks I have in the shop.  But the lack of variable suction limits which sanders I can use it with, and excludes the HSK in particular, which I use a fair amount.
Festool used to have small hose fitting that allowed you to manually adjust the airflow via a hole with a rotating cover. Wouldn't be hard to make one if variable suction was all that was holding you back.
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2016, 05:43 AM »
It's 496112, though NAINA (it would be fairly simple to import though through someone who ships to the US).

Ended up returning my CT-Sys yesterday to the dealer, a couple of days shy of the 30 days window.

I think the main thing is that looking ahead over the next year, I'm simply going to be too busy to take on much site work, and so I can't really justify having another CT for the couple of times when I might be called on site.   If it had variable suction, I think I might have still kept it, as it would be a great adjunct for some of the regular sanding tasks I have in the shop.  But the lack of variable suction limits which sanders I can use it with, and excludes the HSK in particular, which I use a fair amount.
Festool used to have small hose fitting that allowed you to manually adjust the airflow via a hole with a rotating cover. Wouldn't be hard to make one if variable suction was all that was holding you back.
Kapex KS 120 w/UG Cart and Extensions • CXS Set • T18+3 w/Centrotec Installer's Set • PDC 18/4 • TS 75 • TSC 55 • HKC 55 w/420 FSK rail • Carvex 420 w/Accessory Kit • Domino 500 Set • Domino 700 XL • OF 2200 w/Base Accessory Kit • OF 1400 • OF 1010 • MFK 700 EQ Set • LR 32 • MFS 400 w/2000, 1000, and 700 extensions • Rotex 90 • Rotex 150 • LS 130 • ETS-EC 150/5 • ETS 150/3 • RTS 400 • RAS 115.04 • HL 850 • CT 26 w/Long-Life Bag • CT Sys w/Long-Life Bag • MFT/3

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2016, 10:00 PM »
Here is my variable suction solution. I use PVC end caps which fit inside the Festool Y adapter. I have three caps each with a different sized hole. The larger the hole in the cap, the lower the suction is at the tool. Here are a couple of photos from a drywall repair/paint job. The hand sanding block works perfectly with a 1 3/8" sized hole in the cap. There is just enough suction to remove the sanding dust but not so much suction that the block sticks to the wall.



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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2016, 10:04 PM »
Here is my variable suction solution. I use PVC end caps which fit inside the Festool Y adapter. I have three caps each with a different sized hole. The larger the hole in the cap, the lower the suction is at the tool. Here are a couple of photos from a drywall repair/paint job. The hand sanding block works perfectly with a 1 3/8" sized hole in the cap. There is just enough suction to remove the sanding dust but not so much suction that the block sticks to the wall.




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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2016, 10:09 PM »
Thanks for the welcome. Basically a lurker but felt compelled to join and show my solution for the lack of variable suction. It would be nice if Festool had a proper adjustable adapter but for now this works perfectly well for my needs. The caps were a couple of dollars in total and I had the Y adapter so it was an inexpensive fix for me.

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2016, 01:55 AM »
In the meanwhile, the CTL-SYS felt me so good I purchased another Festool extractor.
The little compact CTL-SYS is nice to have always in your car or van. I take it to all small jobs like to drill holes in a wall, sanding small things, holding things with CT wings etc etc. Personally I've no problem with not having the variable suction, the suction is low enough for sanding.

But for bigger and longer then one day jobs I've bought a CTL 26. Five reasons: better suction with woodwork, due two electric points two machines on one extractor, as extrator for mitre saw or table saw,  I already had a very small extractor so didn't need a semi compact one and bags are per litre cheaper.
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2016, 01:41 AM »
In the meanwhile, the CTL-SYS felt me so good I purchased another Festool extractor.
The little compact CTL-SYS is nice to have always in your car or van. I take it to all small jobs like to drill holes in a wall, sanding small things, holding things with CT wings etc etc. Personally I've no problem with not having the variable suction, the suction is low enough for sanding.

But for bigger and longer then one day jobs I've bought a CTL 26. Six reasons: better suction with woodwork, due two electric points two machines on one extractor, as extrator for mitre saw or table saw,  I already had a very small extractor so didn't need a semi compact one, bigger wheels as the Mini/Midi and bags are per litre cheaper.
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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2017, 03:50 PM »
Here is my variable suction solution. I use PVC end caps which fit inside the Festool Y adapter. I have three caps each with a different sized hole. The larger the hole in the cap, the lower the suction is at the tool. Here are a couple of photos from a drywall repair/paint job. The hand sanding block works perfectly with a 1 3/8" sized hole in the cap. There is just enough suction to remove the sanding dust but not so much suction that the block sticks to the wall.



  But you already have the adjustable valve at the end of your sanding block. Was that not enough or did you not want the noise of escaping suction right next to you with the port open on the sanding block?
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Offline kaseri

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2017, 07:33 AM »
Wasn't quite enough for the hand sanding block. It was sticking a bit even with the valve fully open.

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Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2017, 08:47 AM »
Wasn't quite enough for the hand sanding block. It was sticking a bit even with the valve fully open.
. That makes sense...
Not as many Sanders as PA Floor guy.....

Re: CTL SYS - Review.
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2017, 05:00 PM »
Here is my variable suction solution. I use PVC end caps which fit inside the Festool Y adapter. I have three caps each with a different sized hole. The larger the hole in the cap, the lower the suction is at the tool. Here are a couple of photos from a drywall repair/paint job. The hand sanding block works perfectly with a 1 3/8" sized hole in the cap. There is just enough suction to remove the sanding dust but not so much suction that the block sticks to the wall.




Welcome to the forum!  [smile]

There's one solution.

Seth

Looking at the CTL SYS with the wheel board and the contrapment I can't help but think a CT MINI would be a better option for a lot of reasons. With the wheel board you are approaching same overall dimensions, price - not sure about weight and the MINI is for sure more capable. I was an early adopter of the CTL SYS but didn't keep it in the end. I did get a MIDI and then purchased the bottom tub for the MINI as a spare part so I now rock both a MINI/MIDI. :)
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