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Offline BloomingtonMike

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2008, 09:30 PM »
The Dewalt clamps fit in the Festools track so I do not see why the T square will not fit.

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Offline fshanno

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2008, 10:48 PM »
The Dewalt clamps fit in the Festools track so I do not see why the T square will not fit.

I hope you're right.  I just ordered one from Tyler Tool.

Perhaps with this new competition we'll see a whole new generation of accessories that will work with either system.  If that does happen then I love the DeWalt saw even though I'll probably never own one.
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Offline quietguy

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2008, 12:15 AM »
Regarding cutting doors in place -

It is my preference to remove the door and cut it in a more controlled environment.  However, I have also regretted taking a door down to trim.  On a couple of occasions, it has taken me longer to re-hang a door than it did to take it down and cut it.  I frequently work in an area where houses are 80+ years old.  If the hinge pins cannot be removed without marring, or a hinge has been excessively shimmed, it can make more sense to cut it while hanging.

Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: IT HAS A T-SQUARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2008, 07:09 AM »
It has a T-SQUARE that looks like it ACTUALLY WORKS!!!  Looks like it might fit in our guide.  OH PLEASE GOD!  PLEASE LET IT FIT! 

Did anybody else see this?  They have a little blurb on their applications page....

T-Square demo

I'm I seeing this right?  It's not adjustable.  It's set to 90.  It won't come undone.  HELLO!  FESTOOL!  ANYBODY THERE!

I bet it won't fit our guides.  Of course it won't.  DeWalt would be stupid to let that happen.
What's the big deal?   There is nothing you can do with DeWalts T-square that you can't do with Festools Angle Unit (see: http://www.festoolusa.com/products/guide-rails/kits-and-other-accessories/angle-unit-491588.html).  In fact, you can do more with the angle unit.
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Offline Tinker

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2008, 07:33 AM »
Come on, Frank,
We have had all sorts of discussions on that FS-KS angle unit.
I thought i had the answer on how to make it work RELIABLY REPEATABLY.  Others have come up with their solutions.
After shooting of my mouth that I had finally solved it, i later discovered the error of my ways.

I have not come across anybody here on the FOG who has actually solved the problem.
If you have discovered the secret, you would do all a favor if you would kindly enlighten us.

Some have placed a bolt to keep it at 90.  Others have treid my suggestion to place a washer in the center.
The washer works for a short while, and then it's back to the drawing board.

I'm not tryng to start another hullaballoo here.  I would just like to know if there really is a solution to make that angle unit work reliably.  AND repeatably.

The 90 on the DeWalt looks to be fool proof.  Maybe the answer for Festool might be a series of locked units of the more common angles used.  For now, tho, my angle unit takes up space in a drawer that is seldom opened.

Tinker


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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2008, 07:48 AM »
Maybe I got lucky.  My angle unit seems to work fine.  And, I have used in the field under far from ideal conditions.
Cheers,   
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Offline fshanno

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2008, 11:48 AM »
Maybe I got lucky.  My angle unit seems to work fine.  And, I have used in the field under far from ideal conditions.

I have an angle unit and use it occasionally. I square it pretty often using the edges of my MFT.  I use it the way I saw the girl do it at Wood Shop Demos.  It seems to work but it's tricky.  Mine has extra holes in it from abortive attempts to turn it into a t-square. 

I called Tyler Tool and had them add a couple of the DeWalt clamps to my order.  The lady said the t-square was on back order and it would take a couple of weeks.  As soon as I get it I'll check it out and report back.

Looks like DeWalt has a nice saw.  Still got my doubts about cut quality on the side away from the guide where there's no tear out protection.  I watched all the testimonials and checked out all the accessories and it looks like good stuff.  The 59 inch guide would be a little more comfortable than my 55, a little extra room crosscutting a sheet.  For someone just now getting into guided saws it will be a tough decision. 
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Offline BloomingtonMike

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2008, 02:23 PM »
Is the $49.99 for a pair of clamps or one?? Hopefully for a pair. I have a set already and I do not think they are worth $50 each!!

I want the router adapter and the T-square add ons.

How are the shipping chargeds from Tyler?

BTW - thanks for the heads up that Tyler had the prices published! I added that info to the threads I had out there on the review.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2008, 02:24 PM by BloomingtonMike »

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2008, 02:42 PM »
Tyler has them on back order and told me I would be lucky to get anything by Christmas or before 2009. Back order meaning they never ever even had them at all yet. So technically they are not on back order but waiting on a first shipment. Hopefully they can get the DeWalt stuff sooner I would like to try the entire system saw and all.

Tylers shipping is not bad, the last time I ordered I think it was 6.99 for a sander.

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Offline Dovetail65

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« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2008, 02:53 PM »
The Eureka zone system also has had a T square for a few years already. I modified one to work in the Festool rail and it worked nicely. I sold it with all my Eurekazone stuff, but it is no big deal.

Festool already sold and made one that they discontinued I think when they were still Festo. It also cuts at any angle not just at a 90.

I will dig it out of a box and put up a picture of it. Not the current item they sell.

As far as cutting the doors in place I am NOT a believer and think the jamb saw  cut function should be left for the flooring installer to cut casings, etc.
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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2008, 02:54 PM »
The Eureka zone system also has had a T square for a few years already. I modified one to work in the Festool rail and it worked nicely. I sold it with all my Eurekazone stuff, but it is no big deal.

Festool already sold and made one that they discontinued I think when they were still Festo. It also cuts at any angle not just at a 90. I am not talking about the current angle unit Festool sells.

I will dig it out of a box and put up a picture of it.

As far as cutting the doors in place I am NOT a believer and think the jamb saw  cut function should be left for the flooring installer to cut casings, etc.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2008, 02:55 PM by nickao »
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Offline fshanno

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2008, 02:22 AM »
Tyler has them on back order and told me I would be lucky to get anything by Christmas or before 2009. Back order meaning they never ever even had them at all yet. So technically they are not on back order but waiting on a first shipment. Hopefully they can get the DeWalt stuff sooner I would like to try the entire system saw and all.

Tylers shipping is not bad, the last time I ordered I think it was 6.99 for a sander.

Nickao

The lady told me it would be at least 2 weeks which may mean 2 months.  The shipping was 7.55 for the t-square and a set of clamps.  Not a big problem, it'll be a nice Christmas present. 

Till then I guess I'll keep on using my almost square MFT or my almost square drywall t-square or my square-until-I-breath-on-it angle unit or just marking with a pencil.  Festool must have experimented with something like this DeWalt t-square.  I wonder why, in all the years they've made guides, they never offered a simple slot mounted t-square fixture for their guide?   DeWalt comes out with it right away as part of the initial offering.  This seems strange.  Makes me wonder if Festool thinks it won't work because it would put too much stress on the slot.  The Angle Unit is not built to clamp in the slot.  It does have an adjustment to take out play but that's it.  Maybe Festool thinks the concept is bad, that you need some sort of positive lock on the far side like the MFT provides and they aren't interested in anything short of that.  It would be interesting to talk to the engineers at Festool and at DeWalt and find out what their thinking is.  Meanwhile I think it's a great idea and DeWalt gets some of my money.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2008, 02:56 AM »
I have a festool version that was a simple slot mounted t-square fixture, that could be locked in 90 or other angles. The other angles in no way were accurate at all, but locked in at 90 it was okay. I have to get a picture of that for you. Its an old accessory piece from maybe the 80's or early 90's? I have not tried or used it in a long time. I'll pull it out tomorrow.

Nickao
« Last Edit: October 18, 2008, 02:57 AM by nickao »
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Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: IT HAS A T-SQUARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2008, 06:45 PM »
It has a T-SQUARE that looks like it ACTUALLY WORKS!!!  Looks like it might fit in our guide.  OH PLEASE GOD!  PLEASE LET IT FIT! 

Did anybody else see this?  They have a little blurb on their applications page....

T-Square demo

I'm I seeing this right?  It's not adjustable.  It's set to 90.  It won't come undone.  HELLO!  FESTOOL!  ANYBODY THERE!

I bet it won't fit our guides.  Of course it won't.  DeWalt would be stupid to let that happen.


Does anyone have an update on this -- will the DeWalt T-Square accessory fit Festool Guide Rails?

I watched most of the DeWalt video clips.  Thanks, Frank Pellow for providing the link!

If the DeWalt clamps are compatible (and the initial review indicated they were), those are of interest to me because they can easily be operated with one hand.  Although the Festool clamps work well, usually I find that I must use both hands to secure them.  Adapting the Irwin "Quick Clamp" design to fit the groove on the guide rails makes much sense to me.

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Offline BloomingtonMike

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2008, 02:50 AM »
Talked with Dewalt yesterday (conference call with the Top17 folks and Dewalt guys). They said it will be November 15th that the accessories should be available for purchase.

The Dewalt clamp DEFINATELY fits the Festool track. I know because we did it in my shop.

I see no reason why the Dewalt square will not work as well. I will know after the 15th!

Offline Domcor

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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2008, 07:42 PM »
Both the Makita and Dewalt have been on the Market here in Australia for while. Nice copies. The Makita actually comes in a systainer with colour to match. Dewalt here have an atrocious after sales service. Conclusion.....Many artists have copied the Mona Lisa, but people still line up to see the original.

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Offline fshanno

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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2008, 12:13 AM »
I've watched the DeWalt demo videos over and over and I still don't get it.  How can the DeWalt deliver a chip out free cut on the right side with no protection?  If the TS55 didn't have the splinter guard on the right I would have been forced to buy the EurekaZone rig.  A cabinet saw with a good blade still needs a zero clearance insert.  Sliders have a scoring blade.  The DeWalt blades can't be that good.
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Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2008, 04:16 AM »
They don't claim it does (the chipfree cut on the other side of the cut). The mafell, and I think the makita too, have a special setting for a scoring cut; I couldn't find a reference to such a function on the dewalt. To me it wouldn't mather much, most of the stuff I cut, I have to ease over the edge anyway for paint. I find myself leaving the thing off, less fuss when setting it to a bevel, and better blade visibility if needed.

Offline josephgewing

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2008, 11:55 AM »
How can the Dewalt cut chip free?  I did notice in the video that on the plywood cuts that the saw was cutting WITH the grain on the plywood, not ACROSS the grain.

I have an older Festool saw with the standard blade.  It cuts ALMOST chip free on plywood cross grain cuts.  It has no green thingy to prevent chip out on the outboard side of the cut. 

What say the rest of you?


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« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2008, 12:15 PM »
I find the Festool saws with almost any of the  the blades I have are pretty much chip free IF I am using a better quality plywood.

When I am using the really cheap ply is when the "green thingy" is required. Usually I never ever use the "green thingy". So the DeWalt may very well leave little or no chip out on the right side when using a high quality ply.

The same thing happens on my table saw. Recently I had such a poor quality plywood that even with a new Forrest blade and  zero clearance insert there was bad chip out.

So consider the plywood as well as the blade. To me the quality of the plywood is just as important as all the other considerations to get chip free results.

I bet for a lot of the video ads they are using a really high quality plywood. And you do have a point that cutting with the grain will leave minimal chip out compared to cross cutting.

Nick
« Last Edit: October 31, 2008, 12:18 PM by nickao »
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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2008, 12:56 PM »
My experience is similar to Nick's and i think that he has described things quite well.
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Offline fshanno

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2008, 03:48 AM »
So I always have the splinter guard in place and I always get cuts on both sides that I can edge band and I wouldn't have it any other way.  If the cut is going to be buried in a dado I've got overkill but I don't care.  I have my little nesting diagram and I start cutting and I don't have to think about it.  To me that's worth the whole $450 I paid for my TS55 a year ago.  If Festool didn't exist I wouldn't know what I was missing and I suppose I'd buy the DeWalt.  But side by side?  Let me put it this way, if the DeWalt was free and the Festool was $475, I'd pay the $475 and take both home.  I'd use the DeWalt for cutting the bottoms off doors while they hang on their hinges, which is pretty slick.  And I'd use the Festool for making cabinets.

But I'm very glad the DeWalt saw exists and very glad that some prefer it.  Because of that I'm going to get some interesting new clamps and a T-square fixture that looks like it has real potential.
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Offline Steve-CO

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« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2008, 05:41 PM »
It has a T-SQUARE that looks like it ACTUALLY WORKS!!!  Looks like it might fit in our guide.  OH PLEASE GOD!  PLEASE LET IT FIT! 

Did anybody else see this?  They have a little blurb on their applications page....

T-Square demo

I'm I seeing this right?  It's not adjustable.  It's set to 90.  It won't come undone.  HELLO!  FESTOOL!  ANYBODY THERE!

I bet it won't fit our guides.  Of course it won't.  DeWalt would be stupid to let that happen.

Received the T-Square today, it fits the Festool rail as if it was built for it, dead on 90 degrees.

Offline Kevin Johnson

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2008, 07:07 PM »
Cool - that's good news.  I am getting one and see that they are reasonably priced on the accessories. Thanks

Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2008, 02:58 AM »
As Imentioned in another thread Festool's FS - PA (two aluminium rulers that slot into the festool guide rail at right angles) seem to solve the problem.  Maybe they are NAINA?

Offline Frank-Jan

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« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2008, 03:07 AM »
Richard, those things are  being introduced in Europe at the moment. (I ordered a set yesterday). And allthough it's nice they have this extra functionality, they are priced a bit high to get them for that purpose only.

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« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2008, 08:26 AM »

Received the T-Square today, it fits the Festool rail as if it was built for it, dead on 90 degrees.

Steve, where did you order it?  I cant find a link in the thread.  Thanks.

*edit*  found it myself by searching for "Tyler"

T-Slot Square
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2008, 09:12 AM »
In addition to Tyler Tool, Amazon has the Dewalt T-square attachment, but I had to search by the product code, Dewalt DWS5027, to find it:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_hi?url=search-alias%3Dtools&field-keywords=Dewalt+DWS5027&x=18&y=20
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Offline Steve-CO

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2008, 09:33 AM »
I ordered mine from Woodworkers Supply, http://woodworker.com/

Offline fshanno

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« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2008, 12:36 PM »
See?  I knew it.  This is becoming one of the hottest little items for Festool guide owners.  Tyler Tool assures me I'm at the top of their list.  Now, can DeWalt help us with rips?  The FS-PA will be a long time coming and it's fairly pricey. 

I went to the Houston Woodcraft last Saturday to see them demo the brake on a SawStop and they had the DeWalt saw and guide on display.  Nice rig.   I'm so used to Festool that the saw felt weird to me but shoppers without preconceptions may have a tough time deciding. 

Interestingly we found that the Festool clamps right out of the box won't work with the DeWalt guide.  The openning in the slot under the DeWalt guide is a little narrower.  This being the case I was concerned about the T-Squares.  So I'm very glad to read here that they fit.

The DeWalt clamps are great.  I like my Festool clamps.  I have both styles and after so much use I have only a little trouble working them with one hand but the DeWalt clamps are far better.  I wonder how many Festool will sell once the word gets out.

Based on what I've seen I could conclude that the discerning buyer might elect to get a Festool saw and guide and fit it with a bunch of DeWalt accessories.  I'll say it again, DeWalt has done us Festoolians a big favor by getting in this arena.   






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