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Offline Gary Nichols

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2008, 12:40 PM »
Well, until now, I've been hesitant to add my 2 cents, but I was sure I had seen a more substantial Festool rail square once upon a time, just couldn't find a photo to back up that claim. I have and occasionally use the newer Festool square, not as much as I would like, since it's just too bulky for me to leave it on all the time. The old one looks like it would have been a little more handy to me. So if you go to:

http://www.thewoodshop.20m.com/festool_atf_55e_part1.htm

you can see a not-so-great photo of it in a systainer, and if you watch the videos titled "Play Guide Rail Video Part 1" and "Play Guide Rail Video Part 2", you can see it in action.... try the higher quality  videos (1.3 MB and 2.1)..... I just KNEW I wasn't dreaming that thing.......

That said, I'll be placing an order for the Dewalt T-square attachment on Amazon today..... Thanks, Daviddubya, for the heads-up

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Offline Jimhart

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2008, 01:24 PM »
Here's a couple of pictures of the older clamp in action.

While it looks a lot less substantial than the newer one, it has a few advantages that make it much more practical and stable.

It attaches to the rail by design, advantage #1. When you tighten it, the non slip strips contribute to locking it in place.

The scale, while it doesn't look near as good, is every bit as useful as the one on the newer one, which is not at all.

You need to use a square with either to know you've got the angle, so this is a tie.

(I'll go learn to upload pics and be right back  ;D)


Jim
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #62 on: November 14, 2008, 02:12 PM »
I just posted a couple of pics of Festools older angle guide for the guide rails.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #63 on: November 14, 2008, 04:43 PM »
I have that unit and it works great for me.
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Offline fshanno

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2008, 09:23 PM »
Looks like it has a stop at about 47 degrees.
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Offline tenfingers

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2008, 10:31 PM »
when i bought my festools today, at the store they had the dewalt saw on display next to the festool.
The festool TS55 was $475 and the dewalt was $499. The store owner said he didnt realize that it was more and that it
was very interesting. We both commented that the dewalt wouldnt sell as well vs the festool if the prices were comparable.

Martin

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2008, 10:40 AM »
The festool TS55 was $475 and the dewalt was $499.

Wow; DeWalt are being much more aggressive in their pricing here in the UK. I've just had a 'show special' email for an upcoming trade show, and the price for the DeWalt with a 1.5m rail and bag is ?280 UKP vs ?381 for the TS55 & 1.4m rail - enough of a difference to sway some potential buyers away from Festool, I would think.

Personally, I'll just be stocking up on some DW accessories for my Festool rails...

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Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2008, 01:54 PM »
All the Festools I own were made in Germany, and I think the only one made outside is the linear sander.

I know that Tooltechnic or whatever the parent company is called has a plant in Czech Republic or Slovakia, but it may be that they only make Protools there.  I have come across quite a lot of stuff made in Eastern Europe (including my wife's Skoda) and I'm impressed with the quality.  I'm typing this on an Apple Computer stuck together in China which I love. 

I tend to think it's not so much where its made but what standards are demanded by the parent company.  The Chinese seem capable of producing high quality electronic goods for Apple etc and REALLY RUBBISH PLYWOOD (not to mention poisoness baby milk...toothpaste...) that I've been using all week.  I hate it.  Trouble is its half the price of the local stuff and the client won't pay the difference,  It's full of voids and even bits of metal - my table saw was sparking yesterday.  Sorry for the rant.

Offline Forrest Anderson

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Festools made in Czech Republic?
« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2008, 04:54 PM »
All the Festools I own were made in Germany, and I think the only one made outside is the linear sander.

I know that Tooltechnic or whatever the parent company is called has a plant in Czech Republic or Slovakia, but it may be that they only make Protools there.  I have come across quite a lot of stuff made in Eastern Europe (including my wife's Skoda) and I'm impressed with the quality.  I'm typing this on an Apple Computer stuck together in China which I love. 

By co-incidence I noticed the Czech connection with my LS130 linear sander the other day, but things don't seem to be quite as straightforward as they first seem:

Here is what appears on the Systainer label of the sander...



...and here is what appear on the label on the sander itself:



Given these labels, it appears that it's the Systainer which is made in the Czech Republic, not the sander!

I looked at some of my other Festools, and found the following:

The LS 130 has a "Made in Germany" label, whilst its Systainer (made Aug 05) has a "Made in Czech Republic" label.

My two Sortainers (made Mar 07 and May 07) both have "Made in the Czech Republic" labels

The Rotex RO125 and its Systainer (made Oct 04) both have "Made in Germany" labels

The TS55 and its Systainer (made Feb 07) both have "Made in Germany" labels

The Domino and its Systainer (made Feb 08) both have "Made in Germany" labels

The Domino Accessories Systainer (made Nov 07) has a "Made in Germany" label

To summarise - all the above power tools have "Made in Germany" labels - it seems to be the Sortainers and some of the Systainers which are made in the Czech Republic.

Forrest

« Last Edit: November 15, 2008, 04:57 PM by Forrest Anderson »
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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Festools made in Czech Republic?
« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2008, 07:09 PM »
That's interesting Forrest.  I checked all my Festool tools and the only one that is not labelled 'Made in Germany' is my LS130.  It does not have any 'Made in ...' text.  Here are photos of the two labels:

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I thought that maybe Wedingten was a place in either Germany of the Czech Republic, but could not find such a place in my atlas.

« Last Edit: November 15, 2008, 07:14 PM by Frank Pellow »
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Offline Forrest Anderson

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Re: Festools made in Czech Republic?
« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2008, 07:40 PM »
That's interesting Forrest.  I checked all my Festool tools and the only one that is not labelled 'Made in Germany' is my LS130.  It does not have any 'Made in ...' text.  Here are photos of the two labels:

Thanks for that. I'm pretty sure your sander was made in Germany.

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I thought that maybe Wedingten was a place in either Germany of the Czech Republic, but could not find such a place in my atlas.

Wendlingen (note spelling, which is maybe why you didn't find it) is a small town about 11 miles south east of Stuttgart, and is home to the Festool factory. See the Festool Germany website for address and contact information and Google Maps for a

For details of a factory visit you might like to read "Festool Comes to Highland and Highland Goes to Festool" from Wood News Online.

Forrest

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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Festools made in Czech Republic?
« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2008, 10:55 PM »
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I thought that maybe Wedingten was a place in either Germany of the Czech Republic, but could not find such a place in my atlas.

Wendlingen (note spelling, which is maybe why you didn't find it) is a small town about 11 miles south east of Stuttgart, and is home to the Festool factory. See the
Thanks Forrest, The name of the place was quite faded on my sander.  I'm glad you could set me right and I also thank you for the links.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2008, 10:57 PM by Frank Pellow »
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Offline Tinker

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2008, 08:45 AM »
Here's a couple of pictures of the older clamp in action.

While it looks a lot less substantial than the newer one, it has a few advantages that make it much more practical and stable.

It attaches to the rail by design, advantage #1. When you tighten it, the non slip strips contribute to locking it in place.

The scale, while it doesn't look near as good, is every bit as useful as the one on the newer one, which is not at all.

You need to use a square with either to know you've got the angle, so this is a tie.

(I'll go learn to upload pics and be right back  ;D)


Jim

Jim,
I have been rearranging my shop for most of the summer.  I'm finally getting close to making it workable.  The next step will be to locate all i have stored in new places and get labels printed up so I can RELOCATE tools without opening every drawer and sliding aside everything on every shelf.  That is the next challenge.

While sorting out drawers a couple of weeks ago, i came across the item you show in your pics and have been scratching my head as to how it is to be used.  It must have come with my original purchase of my ATF 55/MFT 1080.  I was so thrilled with the setup of guide rail/fence to cut square that i just stuck that little squaring device into a drawer with a lot of other almost never used items.

Thanks for the pics.  i now see how it can be used. (I've been scratching my head over it) It can be set to hold its angle much better than the MS-KS square that has been subject of much frustration for so long.  If it can work and hold its angle for repeatable cuts, I will report back when I get back into shop to work on projects.

Right now, I am going full speed and with aches & pains to show for it, trying to beat the frost and snow for my outside work.

Tinker
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Offline Gary Nichols

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2008, 12:53 PM »
Tinker,

Here's a few videos of that old angle square in action. It's so much less obtrusive than the newer model, that I wonder why they ever stopped making it. If Festool ever decides to bring it back, I'd be first in line.

http://www.thewoodshop.20m.com/graphics/festool/atf/guiderail1_low.wmv

http://www.thewoodshop.20m.com/graphics/festool/atf/guiderail1_low.wmv



As to where our Festools were made, has anyone else been a little surprised about the Festool Shop Apron Promotion? There is no place of origin on the Mini-Systainer sticker, but the apron itself says it's made in China, for Bucket Boss:

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Coincidentally, I received a Bucket Boss Christmas flier in the mail the same week, and there is no shop apron shown....

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Offline tarpon2007

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2008, 10:57 AM »
Couple of other/additional points on the Dewalt track saw vs the Festool TS55EQ, based on seeing it demo'd and using it at a show at the local (Orlando) Woodcraft:

1.  By nameplate amps, the Dewalt motor is 12A vs 10A on the Festool - or, at 120V, ~ 1400 watts of power for the Dewalt, 1200 watts for the Festool.

2.  The Dewalt rep recommended doing a very shallow scoring cut first, then a through cut if tearout on the offcut piece is problematic.

3.  The local Woodcraft sells both.

4.  The Dewalt's price can be and was discounted at the show.  10% off.  No discount on Festool for retail buyers.

5.   The Dewalt's track can be used on either right or left edges, so you can hold the saw with your right hand on edge cuts on a sheet of plywood where you can't with the Festool.  For people who are sinisterly (left handed) challenged like me, that's a plus.

6.  The Chech's have a long history of very fine machine work - both the Germans and the Russians used them for weapon and aircraft manufacture when they occupied them - I'd pick their stuff over Taiwanese or PRC stuff any day.

7.  The Dewalt track saw is just that - a saw and a track and a couple of minor accessories, while the Festool is part of a system with the MFT worktables and all the rest of the Festool stuff.

8.  So far, in the US, only the standard 48 tooth blade for the Dewalt, while many (though expensive) choices for the Festool.  I did ask the Freud rep at this show about availability in the US of Freud blades for the Festool and/or the Dewalt track saws, but they apparently are not available here, though they are in the UK and the rest of the civilized world.

All told, the Dewalt seems like a very good saw and track, but I own a Festool TS55EQ and it's accessories, and in all, have been very pleased with it.  I do think giving Festool some healthy competition is good, though.

Offline fshanno

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM »

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2.  The Dewalt rep recommended doing a very shallow scoring cut first, then a through cut if tearout on the offcut piece is problematic.

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I went to one of the Woodcrafts in Houston for the sales event there.  They had the DeWalt there as well and I went over the saw with the DeWalt rep.  We talked about off cut chip out but he didn't mention the scoring pass.  Ironically I used the example of the scoring blade that most sliders have to emphasize the importance of chip out protection. 

Then I saw your post today and I tried the scoring pass technique with my TS55 minus the chip out protector.  It works very well on melamine.  So the green thingy is not drop dead essential after all.  It's just a nice convenience.  I never thought of this.  Is it common knowledge in the Festool world?  It's news to me.  To be perfectly honest I think the scored cuts without the green thing are better than single pass with it.  Have you tried it?

By the way, did they trip a SawStop at your show?  They ran a weenie through the contractor saw in Houston.  It's something you have to see it to appreciate.  I've got to get one of those.  People say the riving knife is probably just as important as the brake.  I had some QS white oak close up on me yesterday on my stupid little ancient Sears contractor saw.  It was so bad that it just stopped the cut.  I had to turn off the saw, flip the board over and start from the opposite end.  It was spooky and I burned the heck out of the board.  I wish my wife had seen it.  Actually, the fact that the saw is so weak saves me.  It bogs down before it can kick back.


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Offline JEFF JOHNSON

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2008, 07:59 PM »
Does the dewalt router attachment fit on festool rails?

Offline tarpon2007

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #77 on: November 23, 2008, 01:17 PM »
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By the way, did they trip a SawStop at your show?  They ran a weenie through the contractor saw in Houston.  It's something you have to see it to appreciate.  I've got to get one of those.  People say the riving knife is probably just as important as the brake. 


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No hotdog cutting demo this time.  Meat (and Sawstop cartridges and blades) must be too expensive in this time of economic crisis... ;D

As to the riving knife, I know that most of my traumatic experiences on the tablesaw involved kickback, which is what the riving knife helps prevent.

Offline Peterm

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #78 on: November 23, 2008, 01:40 PM »
Does the dewalt router attachment fit on festool rails?

Don't have one to try, but I don't see why not - unless it only attaches to the second 'rib' of the DeWalt rail i.e. the one closest to the rubber splinter-guard; if it does, it probably won't have enough reach if used on a Festool rail?? I think I'd want to try it out before buying one.. ;)

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Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #79 on: November 24, 2008, 02:56 PM »
The dewalt rail only has 1 rib, in the middle. (It's the saw that has 2 "grooves", so it can ride on the festool rail aswell). The routerattachment is quickly demonstrated at 1 min 50 in the video I looked at the routerattachment picture in the accesories part of the site, because I could be possible the rods went through both holes in the routerbase, like a parallel-guide; but it doesn't, so my guess is it won't work on the festool rail. (the rods just look too short)

Offline Peterm

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #80 on: November 25, 2008, 03:27 AM »
The dewalt rail only has 1 rib, in the middle....

Sorry, my mistake. :-[

Pete
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Offline fshanno

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2008, 10:33 AM »
I recieved my DeWalt T-Square and I've had a chance to try it out.  From what I've seen so far it works great.  At this point I believe it's a must have considering its low cost.  It small, light and attaches/detaches rapidly and about as accurate as any other portable method for crosscutting sheet goods. 

It's not for ripping and I wouldn't attach it to anything longer than the 55" guide.  You need a very clean reference edge.  But all in all it's a sweet little tool.

The T-square has a notch so that a clamp can be inserted in the rail ahead of it allowing clamping on both ends.  And here's the ironic part.  From my observations on 3/4 material the Festool clamps work better than the DeWalt clamps in this role.  The DeWalt clamp is essentially a typical Irwin style pistol grip clamp and when fully engaged on 3/4 or thinner stock the clamping trigger contacts the thumb screw on the bottom of the t-square making it difficult to push the release trigger.  The handles on the Festool clamps face the other way and don't interfere.

The T is only a few inches so it has it's limitations.  The friction of the guide rail, which we love so much, works against the T-Square in this application.  It's not a big problem on melamine or prefinished ply but on unfinished ply there is quite a bit of force working against you as you squeeze it up to your mark.  It would be best work in ways that avoid cumulative error.  My initial testing indicates that I'm getting crosscuts on sheet goods that are as accurate as anything else I've tried.  It's like the two guys in the woods wondering what they would do if a bear attacked.  One said he doubted they could out run a bear.  The other said, "I don't have to out run the bear.  I just have to out run you."  This little thing may out run the MFT for crosscutting sheet goods.

Thank you DeWalt, now lets get started on something inexpensive for parallel rips.
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Offline Jnh. Design

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #82 on: November 29, 2008, 12:41 PM »
Well first off i would like to thank every one who contributed to this thread.   I have been very interested in the differences between these saws, and this thread has a remarkable amount of owner input.    after reading all of the posts here, and finally making my way to my local woodcraft to try the festool, I think i have made my decision based on the very first picture......

Yep I am going to be the proud new owner of the Dewalt...    why? most of you are probably thinking..   as a majority of the posts would point to the festool as being their choice...    well for me, the side by side comparison shows it all..    on the festool, the angle of the handle changes as you adjust the depth of cut.  the dewalt seems to stay the same.       The fes. just didn't feel right until it was plunged all the way..

Note*   that clamp rack looks mighty familiar mike ;) 

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2008, 02:38 PM »
Obviously its personal preference, but I have to say that I've never even considered that the angle of the handle changes with plunge depth,  so I don't see how it can really make any difference.    If the Dewalt is even half the saw the Festool is, it will be a great tool.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2008, 04:33 PM »
so I went and demoed the dewalt and wasnt pleased at all.  I used a piece of melamine for my test piece, and even with thier best blade, i had unsatisfactory results.  the clamps that were supplied didnt even fit in the rail, and needed the top of them ground.  the rail itself felt very brittle, and would not hold firm to the melemine with out the use of clamps.   the plunge action ( what I thought would sell me this saw) actually was not very smooth, not even close to the 55.   after my demo I drove to woodcraft and just bought the festool 55.   

and i am very pleased.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2008, 05:03 PM »
I haven't heard yet, and maybe it has already posted, but does the Dewalt have the circuit protection that the Festool has? That is a big deal to me. Also thanks to daviddubya,( his link to Amazon was one of the few that still had it in stock) I purchased the T-square, and it is nice. I didn't expect it to be aluminum for some reason. It fits nice and tighter, and using my cheap-o square, it seems right on.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #86 on: December 04, 2008, 07:24 PM »
Mr. Design.

When people ask me why I spend tha amount of money that I do on the Festool products, I tell them that I research my purchases and what I have found is that Festool makes claims and delivers on them.  Others hype and don't.  That being said, I have plenty of tools from all the other manufacturers that have served me well because I have learned what to anticipate and also what to accept.  Every power tool that I bought since 1983 (except the miterbox that was run over by the bus - not my fault - loaned out - is working and can be utilized.  Unfortunately for them, I have found better than them.

I hope that you enjoy your new saw.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2008, 11:43 PM »
The JLT is the best tool I have driven for in a long time. Thanks again for that sale!

Sorry the Dewalt tracksaw was not to your liking. I have to say I had quite a different experience with the two saws in my shop. Ultimately you need to be happy with your tools so you DEFINATELY made the right choice.

Did you change shop spaces yet?



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« Reply #88 on: December 10, 2008, 10:39 PM »
ahh the shop, yeah its about 8000sf now.   I have the main 4k for processing,  the area that previosly housed the JLT is now strictly a finishing room, with a prep room, spray booth, and 12x20 curing room.  i added the 3500sf unit with the 5 bay doors to the mix, and use that for final assembly and packaging.

i made a bunch 4x8 carts that make the flow even better.  i can load them up, wheel em into the booth,  curing room. then off to final assembly..

not bad for a 1 man show.  now I need to find some people that want to learn this craft!!

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #89 on: December 12, 2008, 10:07 PM »
Just a FYI. I was at Woodcraft today and the rep was there with the Dewalt saw as well as the new Unisaw by Delta (more on that in a minute). I have to say there were some interesting things about the Dewalt. First, it has a built in kick back feature that I think the Festool could benefit from. Second, the thing goes on the track both ways. Not sure how often I would really do that or why, but it was interesting. Third, he walked right over the MFT/3 and put it on the Festool track. Fourth, the motion you use to plunge is linear and keeps the wrist in the same position throughout the plunge vs. how the Festool is more of a push and forward sort of curve motion. I was so used to the Festool I couldn't plunge it the first time. It's weird. I guess from a pure ergonomics perspective that it a plus especially if you use the saw all day. Fifth, their track was slightly more rigid, but nothing compared to the EZ guide rails. 6th, they had a deal where you get two rails that when joined will have you able to rip 4 x 8 sheets from the get go. I saw no clamps and they have no plans for a table like the MFT/3. All in all, I thought it was neat, but didn't feel that I made the wrong decision with my TS75, though again, I liked that kick back feature (in the saw, not a rail stop).

The rep also went over to the Kapex and pointed out five patented features that belong to other manufacturers hold and, according to him, are suing Festool over.

Off topic: Okay, the Unisaw sure looked awesome. It is built in Tennessee! It has a new funky looking blade guard like the new little Bosch 4000 saw and everything including the riving knife can be adjusted or removed with no tools. It has well thought out dust collection, a biesemeyer fence and the extension table has a big drawer (that can be removed if you want to mount a router. All in all the thing had me drooling and I didn't even ask the price. Meanwhile, I used a friends Saw Stop cabinet saw last night and that was near orgasmic as well.