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Offline BloomingtonMike

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Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« on: October 11, 2008, 06:51 PM »
I am in the US and just got a Dewalt DWS520SK kit (Dewalt tracksaw) and did a review for woodnet and saw mill creek. Thought you guys might like to read a review I did with it and a buddies TS55. I am a festool 150/EQ owner so I do like Festool very much. I am a finalist in the in the www.dewalt.com/us/top17 contest and that is how I got the Dewalt tracksaw here in the US. It was part of my prize package.

Well here we go. This will out line some differences in the two saws for everyone. I borrowed a buddies TS55 and we compared them head to head.



Physically they are very close in size and weight. The Dewalt is slightly taller and wider by about one inch. The Festool Systainer is much nicer than the Dewalt box but both are adequate to hold the saws and the clamps. The Dewalt power cord is about 12' long and the Festool power cord is about 10' long. The Festool has a removable plug like all their tools and the Dewalt's cord is attached. The Dewalt guard allows the saw's blade to run parallel to the floor. This is not as possible with the Festool saw. There is the same amount of metal and plastic on each saw. Fit and finish I will give to the Festool but the Dewalt looks more rugged.

The Dewalt saw can use the Festool track with no problem. Festool saw cannot use the Dewalt track. Has to due with the guide tracks - three on the Dewalt and one on the Festool. the Dewalt saw can also use both sides of its track and only one side can be used on the Festool.

The Dewalt clamps fit the Festool track and the Festool clamps fit the Dewalt track. The Dewalt clamps are an optional accessory.

Both saw blades use a 20mm arbor. Blade changing is faster barely on the Festool and the controls to do it are simpler on the Festool but to get to the arbor screw both saw had tooless motions. The Festool button motion locks the blade and the Dewalt requires holding in a spring loaded lock while loosening or tightening the bolt. Both saws took close to the same amount of time to change a blade and both use a keyed arbor washer and Hex Head bolt to attach the blade. Both saws have hex key storage in the handles.



The Dewalt blade is just a few fractions/mm larger diameter wise than the Festool Blade. These fractions on the Dewalt blade conflicts with the mechanism of the riving knife on the Festool TS55 saw. So out of the box, with no saw mods, the Dewalt blades are NOT compatible with the Festool Saw.





We found that with a very small grind (with a Dremel or whatever) the problem could be alleviated with the TS55. My buddy said if the price of the Dewalt blades is significantly lower that he would consider grinding the post - but otherwise he will stick with Festool blades.

The Festool blade mounted just fine on the Dewalt saw.



The Dewalt saw guided smoother on its track with all of the play removed than my buddies saw Festool saw guided on his track with all the play removed. In fact I believe my friend has been using it with some play. I think my friend just needs time to adjust his saw perfectly. The Festool saw however is easier to adjust for play and on the Dewalt that option requires a hex key wrench.

Also the Festool saw does not have an anti reverse option. On the Dewalt saw, when anti reverse is turned on, the saw will not slide backwards on the track.

Both saws use a 1 3/8" internal diameter dust collection port. The Fein adapters on my Porter Cable hose worked (hooked to shopvac) on both saws and the collection hose of my friends CT22 Festool vac worked on both saws.

Startup sounds the same on both saws and you instantly realize the soft start on both models. Both saw running are about the same loudness. The lock you press to engage the plunge was smoother on the Festool. It is more of a positive click lock on the Dewalt.

The plunge action of the Dewalt is more of a plunge action than the rocking motion of the Festool. There are two pivot points on the Dewalt saw vs. the one on the Festool. The motor assembly of the Dewalt moves more into the plunge action because of the dual pivot points than does the Festool. The Festool rocking action was smoother however than the plunge of the Dewalt. Both were easy to plunge and can be done with one hand although the manual recommends two. The Dewalt had no resistance during its plunge but resistance was felt by us both in the rocking action of the Festool and by the geometry of the round blade entering at an arc in the pivot of the Festool.

The Dewalt saw has LESS VIBRATION than the Festool. I was shocked at that one. It is close, but that was a plus to Dewalt. Both have variable speeds and both were at max. Now the Dewalt saw spins at 1750-4000 min and the Festool spins at 2000-5200 min. That may have been the vibration difference.

Also the cut was better with the Dewalt blade on the Dewalt Saw vs. the Festool without the splinter guard, the Dewalt does NOT have a waste side splinter guard. Now my buddies blade/guard was not new so that is a factor however the blade was clean (we cleaned the blade prior to the review). With the splinter guard on both saws cut perfect. Also note, when I say better it is only marginal - these saws both cut to a high level of quality. I can see why they say table saw cut quality.

Cutting was done with 1/2" birch plywood and all the cuts were great (as long as Festool had the splinter guard on). We did not use the clamps much but did place anti-slip mat under the work piece.

Another plus to the Dewalt was the setting of the blade depth. It takes into account the track. I tried to show this in the pictures below when both saws were set to zero. If you set the Dewalt to 5/8" it is 5/8" below the track on the Dewalt. That is not the case with the Festool as 20mm is 20mm thickness including the track. The Festool does have a nicer mechanism to set the depth (push in and move) vs. the screw down system on the Dewalt. Both have a nice positive lock when the plunge is returned to full upright position.





Summary:
Dewalt Pros
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1. Longer Power cord
2. Guard can run against Floor for door trimming
3. Dewalt can use Festool track
4. Can use both sides of the Dewalt track (for out and back cuts or with zero clearance set for two different blades)
5. Dewalt can use Festool Blades
6. Dewalt can use Festool clamps
7. Has selectable anti-reverse option
8. Slightly slower speed setting range
9. Dual Pivot plunge action and plunge action had no resistance
10. Less vibration than Festool saw at max speed full power (Festool is faster though)
11. Better no splinter guard (no option for one is bad though) cut
12. Better blade depth measurement system that includes the track already in the measurement

Festool Pros
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Slightly smaller footprint
Nicer carrying case
Systainer
Nicer fit and finish (I like the Festool look though!)
Detachable cord
Faster Blade Change
Arbor lock built into blade change button system
Smoother plunge button and pivot was smooth
Higher max blade spin rate
Splinter Guard option
Nicer Depth stop mechanism

Pluses for both
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Clamps and I am assuming other track accessories will work on either brand of track
With a slight Festool mod both saws will use each others blades


I did not review company or customer service qualities - just the two tools in my shop. Also I still need to compare warranties of the two tools.

Hoped you like the write-up.
Mike Heidrick
BloomingtonMike
« Last Edit: October 12, 2008, 11:20 AM by BloomingtonMike »

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Offline Forrest Anderson

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2008, 07:59 PM »
I am in the US and just got a Dewalt DWS520SK kit (Dewalt tracksaw) and did a review for woodnet and saw mill creek. Thought you guys might like to read a review I did with it and a buddies TS55.

Welcome to the Festool Owners Group, and thank you very much for the comparison between the DeWalt and the Festool saws!

With the recent influx of track saws from DeWalt, Makita and Mafell, Festool owners will be very interested to compare the "opposition"!

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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2008, 08:00 PM »
Mike, first of all, I would like to welcome you to the Festool Owner's Group forum and I hope taht you will become a regular participent here.

I enjoyed your review.  I do have a few comments:

  • I don?t understand ?The Dewalt guard allows the saw's blade to run parallel to the floor. This is not as possible with the Festool saw.?
  • It?s good to hear that DeWalt has finally smartened up and provided a decent length cord with one of their tools.
  • You note that ?The Dewalt clamps are an optional accessory.?  So are the Festool clamps.
  • I really like the idea of DeWalt?s ability to use both sides of the track
Cheers,   
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Offline quietguy

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2008, 08:32 PM »
Frank,

I think that he is talking about the ability to use the DeWalt as a jamb saw.  See the bars on the the blade shroud. 

Offline balrog

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2008, 10:23 PM »
Thanks for taking the time to share your new toy with us!

Do you have pictures of the Dewalt  guide rail? Does the rail have good grip on the workpiece without using clamps? How long is the  rail?

Good luck with your project for the contest!

Offline BloomingtonMike

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2008, 11:39 PM »
Actually I did a first impression write up as well. Here it is:

Tracksaw came in today. Started to use it to get the feel of it.

Packaging is standard Dewalt fair. Huge plastic box for the saw with cardboard sleeve and zip tie holding case closed. Guide was in a cardboard box with 1/8" hardboard on the bottom. Packaging was just fine. my saw had a pair of clamps in it as well but that may have been added by Dewalt before shipping the saw to us.

There is a manual in the case and a small color quick start guide zip tied to the saw. The QS guide walks you through setting up the saw (includes mounting on the rail and removing any play while mounted on the track) and making the two zero clearance cuts on the rail edges - one on each side. The QS Guide also explains how to change the blade. I had read the manual online last night so I was familiar with the controls of the saw. If you follow the steps in the QS guide everything makes perfect sense.

I choose some 1/2" Birch Plywood scrap piece for the tests. I first made the cut using just the wood on my laminate table and the guide on that. The guide did not slip but the wood did. I found if I used a router anti-slip mat under the wood it worked great. The rail I have is 59". The work piece was 30" or so. I used strips at the ends of the rail to help support it across my table.

The saw moves on the guide SUPER smooth. You seriously can use this setup with one hand. The plunge action is also perfect. The Saw has variable speed but I have just used the max speeds so far. It cuts perfectly.

The guide is very nice and not flimsy. I also played with the anti-kickback setting - very slick idea. I was even able to make a dado with it. I am very impressed.

I lastly mounted it on the panel rack. Makes a slick table for pieces under 40" wide and 8' long plus. Again supports for the rail make the use very nice.

Also wanted to let everyone know that the inside diameter of the dust port is 1 3/8". I had some adapters and rigged up the shop vac using the hose from my PC 7336 ROS. The dust collection with just my shop vac and that 1 1/4" hose was darn near perfect. Maybe a little leading dust on the cut but very acceptable. Also the saw is MUCH quieter than my full size Dewalt circular saw. It does not scream nearly as much.

























Offline BloomingtonMike

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 12:15 AM »
Also add one more pic showing where the Dewalt is made and the UL sticker.


Offline Mark Enomoto

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2008, 04:37 AM »
Dewalt has some pretty good demos of the saw and testimonials: http://www.dewalt.com/us/tracksaw/products/index.html   The irony is that for all of us that own a TS55 or 75 this is all old news. The tracksaw does come in a cordless version which could be the only feature that out guns Festool... for now. The anti kickback feature is also pretty cool and seeing it being used for roof sheathing is a nice feature.  What I'd like to see is more in field uses of Festool equipment from Europe and not the staged demos at Festool HQ. Seeing beat up green in the field might dispel the "boutique" nature of Festool.

FWIW the industrial design of the TS55 is still much better than the Dewalt. Even from the pictures the overall fit and finish do not seem as good. The Dewalt's housing looks clunky and not sure why it is so square unless its purely to distinguish it from Festool.

Great review btw.

Offline RogerF

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2008, 10:19 AM »
Thanks for posting this review. There are some good features on the DeWalt saw, particularly the ability to use it as a jamb saw. I don't want to sound like a Festool cheerleader but I think a comparison of cut quality would have been better had you used a new Festool blade. Clean or not, the direct comparison would have been better. Regardless, thanks to your review I feel confident in the DeWalt's capability and know the Festool's superb cut quality from experience.

Offline wnagle

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2008, 11:20 AM »
I wonder if dewalts cordless version also fits on the festool guiderail and can it be used as a jamb saw?  Might come in handy.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2008, 11:21 AM by wnagle »
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Offline BloomingtonMike

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2008, 01:28 PM »
Roger, yeah I wish we would have had a new blade on the Festool as well. Would have been a better comparison for sure. Again though, It was darn near a perfect cut anyway and with the splinter guard it was perfect.

The cordless saw has the exact same shoe so yes it will fit the Festool track and can be used with the Dewalt or Festool track as a jamb saw.


Offline mastercabman

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2008, 02:16 PM »
Frank,

I think that he is talking about the ability to use the DeWalt as a jamb saw.  See the bars on the the blade shroud. 
So,how would that work?  Do you use the saw by itself?Or do you use it with the fence?
If you use the fence,how do you secure the fence on a  ei: door?
As a jamb saw how would you adjust the hight of cut?
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008, 12:03 PM »
Nice review Mike!!! Great pics!

Do you know what the Dewalt will be selling for in the US?

Wonder if Dewalt will start to manufacture more tools in the Czech Republic or why this saw was made there and not with the other tools in China (???)

Have you tried cutting on a 45 degree angle on the rail? Does the blade mate up properly with the wear strip when not at 90 degrees?

Thanks
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Offline fshanno

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2008, 01:33 PM »
This saw and it's guide have serious problems for me. 

First, I need to be able to butt the other side of the guide up against fences and other things so I need some height on the off side.  So the guide is useless for me.

I've got to have tear out/chip out protection on both sides of the cut on sheet goods.  I need four good edges when I'm done.  If I can't get that with a guided saw I'll have to go back to the table saw.  So I'm wondering how good the other side is with the DeWalt.  We have our little green thing and Eurekazone has the Smart Base which is essentially a zero clearance throat plate.  What is DeWalt's solution?  I'd be curious to see the cuts on various types of veneers and melamine and slatwall and such after the blade has some hours on it.  I know this much, I replace the little green thing more often than I replace the strip on the guide.





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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2008, 02:37 PM »
Frank,

I think that he is talking about the ability to use the DeWalt as a jamb saw.  See the bars on the the blade shroud. 
So,how would that work?  Do you use the saw by itself?Or do you use it with the fence?
If you use the fence,how do you secure the fence on a  ei: door?
As a jamb saw how would you adjust the hight of cut?
Mike sent me this link which demonstrates what he is talking about:

Hi Fank.

http://www.dewalt.com/us/tracksaw/applications/index.html

Under applications click on "Trimming Interrior doors while still on its edges".

that is what I was trying to explain.


I doubt that this is something that I would ever want to do.
 

Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2008, 10:13 AM »

Mike sent me this link which demonstrates what he is talking about:

Hi Fank.

http://www.dewalt.com/us/tracksaw/applications/index.html

Under applications click on "Trimming Interrior doors while still on its edges".

that is what I was trying to explain.


I doubt that this is something that I would ever want to do.
 



This isn't unique to the DeWalt saw, the Festool saws can do the same thing. I've never tried it, might be the way to go if you're by yourself with a heavy door.


 
Nice review Mike!!! Great pics!

Do you know what the Dewalt will be selling for in the US?

 
Thanks
Dan Clermont


Dan, I don't know the exact price but at least as much as the Festool TS 55, the cordless version is going to be a good bit more.
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Offline murphyt

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2008, 01:25 PM »
I saw on smc forum that the price on the corded version is 499 usd and cordless 999 usd I think that is 59 inch track. There was a lot of unhappy people on that thread. I saw in a british magazine that metabo have one soon to be released as well.
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Offline Forrest Anderson

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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2008, 08:21 PM »
As regards price in the USA, there's a video of it being used at a trade show at http://blogs.taunton.com/fw-editorsblog?entry=294 and some sample package prices (rail and saw) start to be mentioned at about the 4min 20 sec point.

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Offline BloomingtonMike

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2008, 01:44 AM »
I believe that on woodnet and SMC, Rick and I are the only ones that have the Dewalt saw. I am not sure why the SMC folks would be unhappy as none of them have used the Dewalt. I know there is some feelings about the pricing rumors about the Dewalt - many want a cheap solution. It is funny to me because the next complaint is of tools that are exactly that - cheap. I am confident that many who have used the Festool Tracksaw would also be impressed with the Dewalt Tracksaw as they would know what to appreciate and what they would like to improve in their Festool Tracksaw. That is exactly what my friend at work who owns the Festool Tracksaw I compared is feeling right now.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2008, 01:46 AM by BloomingtonMike »

Offline Overtime

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2008, 02:17 AM »
I don't think I would be trimming the bottoms of doors while they are hanging on the jamb. But thats just me and I'm not doing mutiple unit contractor jobs.

Is it really that much of a time saver to not just remove the hinge pins and work on the door on some padded saw horses ?

  I would feel that I would have much better control of the cut working from a more stable position. Not to mention the dressing of the finished cut like a small lightly sanded chamfer on all 4 edges. And then theres the bottom of the door. You gonna just leave the exposed raw cut to stay in good condition and not become a new problem down the line ? Outa sight outa mind kinda thing. Do you not seal it with a little primer or something to keep moisture out to prevent swelling and delamination ? A 5 minute process.

 I don't see this feature as anything special but then I'm getting older and laying on the floor to attempt a fine cut isn't something I'm in any hurry to try. 
 
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Offline roadking06

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2008, 08:01 AM »
Every newly designed tool, will initially come out at a higher price to recoup some of the development costs. Dewalt has research and development time invested in the new track saw. In 18 months or less, Dewalt will significantly drop the price because their time to market and manufacturing speed will fill in the profit margin of the saw, to be sold in quantity.

This is awesome because it will force festool to adjust price if they want to be competitive in this market.

While most of us who already own festool tools know the quality, fit and finish of our saws, regular joe on the street looking to buy a track saw will see a dewalt at $250 and the festool at $475. Fundamentally both saws complete the same task. Guess which saw is going to be bought.



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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2008, 08:19 AM »
I think that would be true if Festool was trying to compete in the mass market, but that hasn't been the case.   There are countless drills and sanders available and its not obvious to me that this fact has driven the prices of the festool products.

I believe Festool focuses on quality and functionality and prices their tools accordingly.

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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2008, 09:03 AM »
I think that would be true if Festool was trying to compete in the mass market, but that hasn't been the case.   There are countless drills and sanders available and its not obvious to me that this fact has driven the prices of the festool products.

I believe Festool focuses on quality and functionality and prices their tools accordingly.

Fred
And I certainly expect them to continue to focus on quality and functionality.
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Offline Pete Pedisich

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2008, 11:02 AM »
The DeWalt saw looks like a great saw, and I would consider buying one if I didn't already have an ATF55, but one thing I always look at since I work at a manufacturing firm: All the Festools I own were made in Germany, and I think the only one made outside is the linear sander.
I would never expect Festool to be able to compete price-wise with a product made in the Czech Republic, or China, or Malaysia, etc... That's just not reasonable. But that does not mean that the DeWalt is less appealing to me, they did a great job with that saw, if it was out in '05 I might have got it instead of my ATF55.

But, and this is just my personal feelings/preference, I respect Festool immensely for their commitment to German manufacturing and to the workers in their country.

I wish DeWalt, P/C, Milwaukee had done the same for American workers! Although I understand they did what they had to do to survive.


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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2008, 02:29 PM »
The DeWalt saw looks like a great saw, and I would consider buying one if I didn't already have an ATF55, but one thing I always look at since I work at a manufacturing firm: All the Festools I own were made in Germany, and I think the only one made outside is the linear sander.
I would never expect Festool to be able to compete price-wise with a product made in the Czech Republic, or China, or Malaysia, etc... That's just not reasonable. But that does not mean that the DeWalt is less appealing to me, they did a great job with that saw, if it was out in '05 I might have got it instead of my ATF55.

But, and this is just my personal feelings/preference, I respect Festool immensely for their commitment to German manufacturing and to the workers in their country.

I wish DeWalt, P/C, Milwaukee had done the same for American workers! Although I understand they did what they had to do to survive.
-pjp




While this is a little OT, it comes up occasionally. Pete, I agree with your assessment. I always feel better about spending a little more for the intangibles, especially if I know the company has a long term view regarding product quality, customer needs and service, and commitment to employees. I bolded your last statement because I do feel it did not necessarily need to be that way. Witness the new Unisaw made and assembled here in the U.S. as an example. 
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« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2008, 02:42 PM »
I don't think I would be trimming the bottoms of doors while they are hanging on the jamb. But thats just me and I'm not doing mutiple unit contractor jobs.

Is it really that much of a time saver to not just remove the hinge pins and work on the door on some padded saw horses ?

  I would feel that I would have much better control of the cut working from a more stable position. Not to mention the dressing of the finished cut like a small lightly sanded chamfer on all 4 edges. And then theres the bottom of the door. You gonna just leave the exposed raw cut to stay in good condition and not become a new problem down the line ? Outa sight outa mind kinda thing. Do you not seal it with a little primer or something to keep moisture out to prevent swelling and delamination ? A 5 minute process.

 I don't see this feature as anything special but then I'm getting older and laying on the floor to attempt a fine cut isn't something I'm in any hurry to try. 
 
I don't think it is the bottom of doors that one would use the saw that way. I think it is for floor installers. Let say you're putting down some 3/4" T&G flooring. You want it to fit under the door jambs and casing. By laying the saw on its side and parallel to the floor one could undercut the casings that way.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2008, 03:05 PM »
I don't think it is the bottom of doors that one would use the saw that way. I think it is for floor installers. Let say you're putting down some 3/4" T&G flooring. You want it to fit under the door jambs and casing. By laying the saw on its side and parallel to the floor one could undercut the casings that way.

Roger, If you check out the link above for the Dewalt site it shows the saw being used to trim doors without taking them down.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2008, 03:09 PM »
I don't think it is the bottom of doors that one would use the saw that way. I think it is for floor installers. Let say you're putting down some 3/4" T&G flooring. You want it to fit under the door jambs and casing. By laying the saw on its side and parallel to the floor one could undercut the casings that way.

Roger, If you check out the link above for the Dewalt site it shows the saw being used to trim doors without taking them down.
Just becuase the site shows it, it does not mean that this would be a good thing to do.  I am almost certain that I would never cut the bottom off a (removable) door this way, even if I had the tools to do so.
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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2008, 07:19 PM »
It has a T-SQUARE that looks like it ACTUALLY WORKS!!!  Looks like it might fit in our guide.  OH PLEASE GOD!  PLEASE LET IT FIT! 

Did anybody else see this?  They have a little blurb on their applications page....

T-Square demo

I'm I seeing this right?  It's not adjustable.  It's set to 90.  It won't come undone.  HELLO!  FESTOOL!  ANYBODY THERE!

I bet it won't fit our guides.  Of course it won't.  DeWalt would be stupid to let that happen.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2008, 09:06 PM »
The Eureka zone system also has had a T square for a few years already. I modified one to work in the Festool rail and it worked nicely. I sold it with all my Eurekazone stuff, but it is no big deal.

Festool already sold and made one that they discontinued I think when they were still Festo. It also cuts at any angle not just at a 90.

I will dig it out of a box and put up a picture of it.

As far as cutting the doors in place I am NOT a believer and think the jamb saw  cut function should be left for the flooring installer to cut casings, etc.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2008, 09:20 PM by nickao »
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2008, 09:30 PM »
The Dewalt clamps fit in the Festools track so I do not see why the T square will not fit.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2008, 10:48 PM »
The Dewalt clamps fit in the Festools track so I do not see why the T square will not fit.

I hope you're right.  I just ordered one from Tyler Tool.

Perhaps with this new competition we'll see a whole new generation of accessories that will work with either system.  If that does happen then I love the DeWalt saw even though I'll probably never own one.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2008, 12:15 AM »
Regarding cutting doors in place -

It is my preference to remove the door and cut it in a more controlled environment.  However, I have also regretted taking a door down to trim.  On a couple of occasions, it has taken me longer to re-hang a door than it did to take it down and cut it.  I frequently work in an area where houses are 80+ years old.  If the hinge pins cannot be removed without marring, or a hinge has been excessively shimmed, it can make more sense to cut it while hanging.

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Re: IT HAS A T-SQUARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2008, 07:09 AM »
It has a T-SQUARE that looks like it ACTUALLY WORKS!!!  Looks like it might fit in our guide.  OH PLEASE GOD!  PLEASE LET IT FIT! 

Did anybody else see this?  They have a little blurb on their applications page....

T-Square demo

I'm I seeing this right?  It's not adjustable.  It's set to 90.  It won't come undone.  HELLO!  FESTOOL!  ANYBODY THERE!

I bet it won't fit our guides.  Of course it won't.  DeWalt would be stupid to let that happen.
What's the big deal?   There is nothing you can do with DeWalts T-square that you can't do with Festools Angle Unit (see: http://www.festoolusa.com/products/guide-rails/kits-and-other-accessories/angle-unit-491588.html).  In fact, you can do more with the angle unit.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2008, 07:33 AM »
Come on, Frank,
We have had all sorts of discussions on that FS-KS angle unit.
I thought i had the answer on how to make it work RELIABLY REPEATABLY.  Others have come up with their solutions.
After shooting of my mouth that I had finally solved it, i later discovered the error of my ways.

I have not come across anybody here on the FOG who has actually solved the problem.
If you have discovered the secret, you would do all a favor if you would kindly enlighten us.

Some have placed a bolt to keep it at 90.  Others have treid my suggestion to place a washer in the center.
The washer works for a short while, and then it's back to the drawing board.

I'm not tryng to start another hullaballoo here.  I would just like to know if there really is a solution to make that angle unit work reliably.  AND repeatably.

The 90 on the DeWalt looks to be fool proof.  Maybe the answer for Festool might be a series of locked units of the more common angles used.  For now, tho, my angle unit takes up space in a drawer that is seldom opened.

Tinker


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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2008, 07:48 AM »
Maybe I got lucky.  My angle unit seems to work fine.  And, I have used in the field under far from ideal conditions.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2008, 11:48 AM »
Maybe I got lucky.  My angle unit seems to work fine.  And, I have used in the field under far from ideal conditions.

I have an angle unit and use it occasionally. I square it pretty often using the edges of my MFT.  I use it the way I saw the girl do it at Wood Shop Demos.  It seems to work but it's tricky.  Mine has extra holes in it from abortive attempts to turn it into a t-square. 

I called Tyler Tool and had them add a couple of the DeWalt clamps to my order.  The lady said the t-square was on back order and it would take a couple of weeks.  As soon as I get it I'll check it out and report back.

Looks like DeWalt has a nice saw.  Still got my doubts about cut quality on the side away from the guide where there's no tear out protection.  I watched all the testimonials and checked out all the accessories and it looks like good stuff.  The 59 inch guide would be a little more comfortable than my 55, a little extra room crosscutting a sheet.  For someone just now getting into guided saws it will be a tough decision. 
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2008, 02:23 PM »
Is the $49.99 for a pair of clamps or one?? Hopefully for a pair. I have a set already and I do not think they are worth $50 each!!

I want the router adapter and the T-square add ons.

How are the shipping chargeds from Tyler?

BTW - thanks for the heads up that Tyler had the prices published! I added that info to the threads I had out there on the review.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2008, 02:24 PM by BloomingtonMike »

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2008, 02:42 PM »
Tyler has them on back order and told me I would be lucky to get anything by Christmas or before 2009. Back order meaning they never ever even had them at all yet. So technically they are not on back order but waiting on a first shipment. Hopefully they can get the DeWalt stuff sooner I would like to try the entire system saw and all.

Tylers shipping is not bad, the last time I ordered I think it was 6.99 for a sander.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2008, 02:53 PM »
The Eureka zone system also has had a T square for a few years already. I modified one to work in the Festool rail and it worked nicely. I sold it with all my Eurekazone stuff, but it is no big deal.

Festool already sold and made one that they discontinued I think when they were still Festo. It also cuts at any angle not just at a 90.

I will dig it out of a box and put up a picture of it. Not the current item they sell.

As far as cutting the doors in place I am NOT a believer and think the jamb saw  cut function should be left for the flooring installer to cut casings, etc.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2008, 02:54 PM »
The Eureka zone system also has had a T square for a few years already. I modified one to work in the Festool rail and it worked nicely. I sold it with all my Eurekazone stuff, but it is no big deal.

Festool already sold and made one that they discontinued I think when they were still Festo. It also cuts at any angle not just at a 90. I am not talking about the current angle unit Festool sells.

I will dig it out of a box and put up a picture of it.

As far as cutting the doors in place I am NOT a believer and think the jamb saw  cut function should be left for the flooring installer to cut casings, etc.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2008, 02:55 PM by nickao »
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2008, 02:22 AM »
Tyler has them on back order and told me I would be lucky to get anything by Christmas or before 2009. Back order meaning they never ever even had them at all yet. So technically they are not on back order but waiting on a first shipment. Hopefully they can get the DeWalt stuff sooner I would like to try the entire system saw and all.

Tylers shipping is not bad, the last time I ordered I think it was 6.99 for a sander.

Nickao

The lady told me it would be at least 2 weeks which may mean 2 months.  The shipping was 7.55 for the t-square and a set of clamps.  Not a big problem, it'll be a nice Christmas present. 

Till then I guess I'll keep on using my almost square MFT or my almost square drywall t-square or my square-until-I-breath-on-it angle unit or just marking with a pencil.  Festool must have experimented with something like this DeWalt t-square.  I wonder why, in all the years they've made guides, they never offered a simple slot mounted t-square fixture for their guide?   DeWalt comes out with it right away as part of the initial offering.  This seems strange.  Makes me wonder if Festool thinks it won't work because it would put too much stress on the slot.  The Angle Unit is not built to clamp in the slot.  It does have an adjustment to take out play but that's it.  Maybe Festool thinks the concept is bad, that you need some sort of positive lock on the far side like the MFT provides and they aren't interested in anything short of that.  It would be interesting to talk to the engineers at Festool and at DeWalt and find out what their thinking is.  Meanwhile I think it's a great idea and DeWalt gets some of my money.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2008, 02:56 AM »
I have a festool version that was a simple slot mounted t-square fixture, that could be locked in 90 or other angles. The other angles in no way were accurate at all, but locked in at 90 it was okay. I have to get a picture of that for you. Its an old accessory piece from maybe the 80's or early 90's? I have not tried or used it in a long time. I'll pull it out tomorrow.

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« Last Edit: October 18, 2008, 02:57 AM by nickao »
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Re: IT HAS A T-SQUARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2008, 06:45 PM »
It has a T-SQUARE that looks like it ACTUALLY WORKS!!!  Looks like it might fit in our guide.  OH PLEASE GOD!  PLEASE LET IT FIT! 

Did anybody else see this?  They have a little blurb on their applications page....

T-Square demo

I'm I seeing this right?  It's not adjustable.  It's set to 90.  It won't come undone.  HELLO!  FESTOOL!  ANYBODY THERE!

I bet it won't fit our guides.  Of course it won't.  DeWalt would be stupid to let that happen.


Does anyone have an update on this -- will the DeWalt T-Square accessory fit Festool Guide Rails?

I watched most of the DeWalt video clips.  Thanks, Frank Pellow for providing the link!

If the DeWalt clamps are compatible (and the initial review indicated they were), those are of interest to me because they can easily be operated with one hand.  Although the Festool clamps work well, usually I find that I must use both hands to secure them.  Adapting the Irwin "Quick Clamp" design to fit the groove on the guide rails makes much sense to me.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2008, 02:50 AM »
Talked with Dewalt yesterday (conference call with the Top17 folks and Dewalt guys). They said it will be November 15th that the accessories should be available for purchase.

The Dewalt clamp DEFINATELY fits the Festool track. I know because we did it in my shop.

I see no reason why the Dewalt square will not work as well. I will know after the 15th!

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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2008, 07:42 PM »
Both the Makita and Dewalt have been on the Market here in Australia for while. Nice copies. The Makita actually comes in a systainer with colour to match. Dewalt here have an atrocious after sales service. Conclusion.....Many artists have copied the Mona Lisa, but people still line up to see the original.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2008, 12:13 AM »
I've watched the DeWalt demo videos over and over and I still don't get it.  How can the DeWalt deliver a chip out free cut on the right side with no protection?  If the TS55 didn't have the splinter guard on the right I would have been forced to buy the EurekaZone rig.  A cabinet saw with a good blade still needs a zero clearance insert.  Sliders have a scoring blade.  The DeWalt blades can't be that good.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2008, 04:16 AM »
They don't claim it does (the chipfree cut on the other side of the cut). The mafell, and I think the makita too, have a special setting for a scoring cut; I couldn't find a reference to such a function on the dewalt. To me it wouldn't mather much, most of the stuff I cut, I have to ease over the edge anyway for paint. I find myself leaving the thing off, less fuss when setting it to a bevel, and better blade visibility if needed.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2008, 11:55 AM »
How can the Dewalt cut chip free?  I did notice in the video that on the plywood cuts that the saw was cutting WITH the grain on the plywood, not ACROSS the grain.

I have an older Festool saw with the standard blade.  It cuts ALMOST chip free on plywood cross grain cuts.  It has no green thingy to prevent chip out on the outboard side of the cut. 

What say the rest of you?


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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2008, 12:15 PM »
I find the Festool saws with almost any of the  the blades I have are pretty much chip free IF I am using a better quality plywood.

When I am using the really cheap ply is when the "green thingy" is required. Usually I never ever use the "green thingy". So the DeWalt may very well leave little or no chip out on the right side when using a high quality ply.

The same thing happens on my table saw. Recently I had such a poor quality plywood that even with a new Forrest blade and  zero clearance insert there was bad chip out.

So consider the plywood as well as the blade. To me the quality of the plywood is just as important as all the other considerations to get chip free results.

I bet for a lot of the video ads they are using a really high quality plywood. And you do have a point that cutting with the grain will leave minimal chip out compared to cross cutting.

Nick
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2008, 12:56 PM »
My experience is similar to Nick's and i think that he has described things quite well.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2008, 03:48 AM »
So I always have the splinter guard in place and I always get cuts on both sides that I can edge band and I wouldn't have it any other way.  If the cut is going to be buried in a dado I've got overkill but I don't care.  I have my little nesting diagram and I start cutting and I don't have to think about it.  To me that's worth the whole $450 I paid for my TS55 a year ago.  If Festool didn't exist I wouldn't know what I was missing and I suppose I'd buy the DeWalt.  But side by side?  Let me put it this way, if the DeWalt was free and the Festool was $475, I'd pay the $475 and take both home.  I'd use the DeWalt for cutting the bottoms off doors while they hang on their hinges, which is pretty slick.  And I'd use the Festool for making cabinets.

But I'm very glad the DeWalt saw exists and very glad that some prefer it.  Because of that I'm going to get some interesting new clamps and a T-square fixture that looks like it has real potential.
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Re: IT HAS A T-SQUARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2008, 05:41 PM »
It has a T-SQUARE that looks like it ACTUALLY WORKS!!!  Looks like it might fit in our guide.  OH PLEASE GOD!  PLEASE LET IT FIT! 

Did anybody else see this?  They have a little blurb on their applications page....

T-Square demo

I'm I seeing this right?  It's not adjustable.  It's set to 90.  It won't come undone.  HELLO!  FESTOOL!  ANYBODY THERE!

I bet it won't fit our guides.  Of course it won't.  DeWalt would be stupid to let that happen.

Received the T-Square today, it fits the Festool rail as if it was built for it, dead on 90 degrees.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2008, 07:07 PM »
Cool - that's good news.  I am getting one and see that they are reasonably priced on the accessories. Thanks

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2008, 02:58 AM »
As Imentioned in another thread Festool's FS - PA (two aluminium rulers that slot into the festool guide rail at right angles) seem to solve the problem.  Maybe they are NAINA?

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2008, 03:07 AM »
Richard, those things are  being introduced in Europe at the moment. (I ordered a set yesterday). And allthough it's nice they have this extra functionality, they are priced a bit high to get them for that purpose only.

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« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2008, 08:26 AM »

Received the T-Square today, it fits the Festool rail as if it was built for it, dead on 90 degrees.

Steve, where did you order it?  I cant find a link in the thread.  Thanks.

*edit*  found it myself by searching for "Tyler"

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2008, 09:12 AM »
In addition to Tyler Tool, Amazon has the Dewalt T-square attachment, but I had to search by the product code, Dewalt DWS5027, to find it:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_hi?url=search-alias%3Dtools&field-keywords=Dewalt+DWS5027&x=18&y=20
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2008, 09:33 AM »
I ordered mine from Woodworkers Supply, http://woodworker.com/

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« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2008, 12:36 PM »
See?  I knew it.  This is becoming one of the hottest little items for Festool guide owners.  Tyler Tool assures me I'm at the top of their list.  Now, can DeWalt help us with rips?  The FS-PA will be a long time coming and it's fairly pricey. 

I went to the Houston Woodcraft last Saturday to see them demo the brake on a SawStop and they had the DeWalt saw and guide on display.  Nice rig.   I'm so used to Festool that the saw felt weird to me but shoppers without preconceptions may have a tough time deciding. 

Interestingly we found that the Festool clamps right out of the box won't work with the DeWalt guide.  The openning in the slot under the DeWalt guide is a little narrower.  This being the case I was concerned about the T-Squares.  So I'm very glad to read here that they fit.

The DeWalt clamps are great.  I like my Festool clamps.  I have both styles and after so much use I have only a little trouble working them with one hand but the DeWalt clamps are far better.  I wonder how many Festool will sell once the word gets out.

Based on what I've seen I could conclude that the discerning buyer might elect to get a Festool saw and guide and fit it with a bunch of DeWalt accessories.  I'll say it again, DeWalt has done us Festoolians a big favor by getting in this arena.   






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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2008, 12:40 PM »
Well, until now, I've been hesitant to add my 2 cents, but I was sure I had seen a more substantial Festool rail square once upon a time, just couldn't find a photo to back up that claim. I have and occasionally use the newer Festool square, not as much as I would like, since it's just too bulky for me to leave it on all the time. The old one looks like it would have been a little more handy to me. So if you go to:

http://www.thewoodshop.20m.com/festool_atf_55e_part1.htm

you can see a not-so-great photo of it in a systainer, and if you watch the videos titled "Play Guide Rail Video Part 1" and "Play Guide Rail Video Part 2", you can see it in action.... try the higher quality  videos (1.3 MB and 2.1)..... I just KNEW I wasn't dreaming that thing.......

That said, I'll be placing an order for the Dewalt T-square attachment on Amazon today..... Thanks, Daviddubya, for the heads-up

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« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2008, 01:24 PM »
Here's a couple of pictures of the older clamp in action.

While it looks a lot less substantial than the newer one, it has a few advantages that make it much more practical and stable.

It attaches to the rail by design, advantage #1. When you tighten it, the non slip strips contribute to locking it in place.

The scale, while it doesn't look near as good, is every bit as useful as the one on the newer one, which is not at all.

You need to use a square with either to know you've got the angle, so this is a tie.

(I'll go learn to upload pics and be right back  ;D)


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« Reply #62 on: November 14, 2008, 02:12 PM »
I just posted a couple of pics of Festools older angle guide for the guide rails.

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« Reply #63 on: November 14, 2008, 04:43 PM »
I have that unit and it works great for me.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2008, 09:23 PM »
Looks like it has a stop at about 47 degrees.
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Offline tenfingers

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2008, 10:31 PM »
when i bought my festools today, at the store they had the dewalt saw on display next to the festool.
The festool TS55 was $475 and the dewalt was $499. The store owner said he didnt realize that it was more and that it
was very interesting. We both commented that the dewalt wouldnt sell as well vs the festool if the prices were comparable.

Martin

Offline Peterm

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2008, 10:40 AM »
The festool TS55 was $475 and the dewalt was $499.

Wow; DeWalt are being much more aggressive in their pricing here in the UK. I've just had a 'show special' email for an upcoming trade show, and the price for the DeWalt with a 1.5m rail and bag is ?280 UKP vs ?381 for the TS55 & 1.4m rail - enough of a difference to sway some potential buyers away from Festool, I would think.

Personally, I'll just be stocking up on some DW accessories for my Festool rails...

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Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2008, 01:54 PM »
All the Festools I own were made in Germany, and I think the only one made outside is the linear sander.

I know that Tooltechnic or whatever the parent company is called has a plant in Czech Republic or Slovakia, but it may be that they only make Protools there.  I have come across quite a lot of stuff made in Eastern Europe (including my wife's Skoda) and I'm impressed with the quality.  I'm typing this on an Apple Computer stuck together in China which I love. 

I tend to think it's not so much where its made but what standards are demanded by the parent company.  The Chinese seem capable of producing high quality electronic goods for Apple etc and REALLY RUBBISH PLYWOOD (not to mention poisoness baby milk...toothpaste...) that I've been using all week.  I hate it.  Trouble is its half the price of the local stuff and the client won't pay the difference,  It's full of voids and even bits of metal - my table saw was sparking yesterday.  Sorry for the rant.

Offline Forrest Anderson

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Festools made in Czech Republic?
« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2008, 04:54 PM »
All the Festools I own were made in Germany, and I think the only one made outside is the linear sander.

I know that Tooltechnic or whatever the parent company is called has a plant in Czech Republic or Slovakia, but it may be that they only make Protools there.  I have come across quite a lot of stuff made in Eastern Europe (including my wife's Skoda) and I'm impressed with the quality.  I'm typing this on an Apple Computer stuck together in China which I love. 

By co-incidence I noticed the Czech connection with my LS130 linear sander the other day, but things don't seem to be quite as straightforward as they first seem:

Here is what appears on the Systainer label of the sander...



...and here is what appear on the label on the sander itself:



Given these labels, it appears that it's the Systainer which is made in the Czech Republic, not the sander!

I looked at some of my other Festools, and found the following:

The LS 130 has a "Made in Germany" label, whilst its Systainer (made Aug 05) has a "Made in Czech Republic" label.

My two Sortainers (made Mar 07 and May 07) both have "Made in the Czech Republic" labels

The Rotex RO125 and its Systainer (made Oct 04) both have "Made in Germany" labels

The TS55 and its Systainer (made Feb 07) both have "Made in Germany" labels

The Domino and its Systainer (made Feb 08) both have "Made in Germany" labels

The Domino Accessories Systainer (made Nov 07) has a "Made in Germany" label

To summarise - all the above power tools have "Made in Germany" labels - it seems to be the Sortainers and some of the Systainers which are made in the Czech Republic.

Forrest

« Last Edit: November 15, 2008, 04:57 PM by Forrest Anderson »
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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Festools made in Czech Republic?
« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2008, 07:09 PM »
That's interesting Forrest.  I checked all my Festool tools and the only one that is not labelled 'Made in Germany' is my LS130.  It does not have any 'Made in ...' text.  Here are photos of the two labels:

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I thought that maybe Wedingten was a place in either Germany of the Czech Republic, but could not find such a place in my atlas.

« Last Edit: November 15, 2008, 07:14 PM by Frank Pellow »
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Offline Forrest Anderson

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Re: Festools made in Czech Republic?
« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2008, 07:40 PM »
That's interesting Forrest.  I checked all my Festool tools and the only one that is not labelled 'Made in Germany' is my LS130.  It does not have any 'Made in ...' text.  Here are photos of the two labels:

Thanks for that. I'm pretty sure your sander was made in Germany.

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I thought that maybe Wedingten was a place in either Germany of the Czech Republic, but could not find such a place in my atlas.

Wendlingen (note spelling, which is maybe why you didn't find it) is a small town about 11 miles south east of Stuttgart, and is home to the Festool factory. See the Festool Germany website for address and contact information and Google Maps for a

For details of a factory visit you might like to read "Festool Comes to Highland and Highland Goes to Festool" from Wood News Online.

Forrest

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Re: Festools made in Czech Republic?
« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2008, 10:55 PM »
Quote
I thought that maybe Wedingten was a place in either Germany of the Czech Republic, but could not find such a place in my atlas.

Wendlingen (note spelling, which is maybe why you didn't find it) is a small town about 11 miles south east of Stuttgart, and is home to the Festool factory. See the
Thanks Forrest, The name of the place was quite faded on my sander.  I'm glad you could set me right and I also thank you for the links.
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Offline Tinker

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2008, 08:45 AM »
Here's a couple of pictures of the older clamp in action.

While it looks a lot less substantial than the newer one, it has a few advantages that make it much more practical and stable.

It attaches to the rail by design, advantage #1. When you tighten it, the non slip strips contribute to locking it in place.

The scale, while it doesn't look near as good, is every bit as useful as the one on the newer one, which is not at all.

You need to use a square with either to know you've got the angle, so this is a tie.

(I'll go learn to upload pics and be right back  ;D)


Jim

Jim,
I have been rearranging my shop for most of the summer.  I'm finally getting close to making it workable.  The next step will be to locate all i have stored in new places and get labels printed up so I can RELOCATE tools without opening every drawer and sliding aside everything on every shelf.  That is the next challenge.

While sorting out drawers a couple of weeks ago, i came across the item you show in your pics and have been scratching my head as to how it is to be used.  It must have come with my original purchase of my ATF 55/MFT 1080.  I was so thrilled with the setup of guide rail/fence to cut square that i just stuck that little squaring device into a drawer with a lot of other almost never used items.

Thanks for the pics.  i now see how it can be used. (I've been scratching my head over it) It can be set to hold its angle much better than the MS-KS square that has been subject of much frustration for so long.  If it can work and hold its angle for repeatable cuts, I will report back when I get back into shop to work on projects.

Right now, I am going full speed and with aches & pains to show for it, trying to beat the frost and snow for my outside work.

Tinker
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Offline Gary Nichols

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2008, 12:53 PM »
Tinker,

Here's a few videos of that old angle square in action. It's so much less obtrusive than the newer model, that I wonder why they ever stopped making it. If Festool ever decides to bring it back, I'd be first in line.

http://www.thewoodshop.20m.com/graphics/festool/atf/guiderail1_low.wmv

http://www.thewoodshop.20m.com/graphics/festool/atf/guiderail1_low.wmv



As to where our Festools were made, has anyone else been a little surprised about the Festool Shop Apron Promotion? There is no place of origin on the Mini-Systainer sticker, but the apron itself says it's made in China, for Bucket Boss:

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Coincidentally, I received a Bucket Boss Christmas flier in the mail the same week, and there is no shop apron shown....

Gary Nichols
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Offline tarpon2007

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2008, 10:57 AM »
Couple of other/additional points on the Dewalt track saw vs the Festool TS55EQ, based on seeing it demo'd and using it at a show at the local (Orlando) Woodcraft:

1.  By nameplate amps, the Dewalt motor is 12A vs 10A on the Festool - or, at 120V, ~ 1400 watts of power for the Dewalt, 1200 watts for the Festool.

2.  The Dewalt rep recommended doing a very shallow scoring cut first, then a through cut if tearout on the offcut piece is problematic.

3.  The local Woodcraft sells both.

4.  The Dewalt's price can be and was discounted at the show.  10% off.  No discount on Festool for retail buyers.

5.   The Dewalt's track can be used on either right or left edges, so you can hold the saw with your right hand on edge cuts on a sheet of plywood where you can't with the Festool.  For people who are sinisterly (left handed) challenged like me, that's a plus.

6.  The Chech's have a long history of very fine machine work - both the Germans and the Russians used them for weapon and aircraft manufacture when they occupied them - I'd pick their stuff over Taiwanese or PRC stuff any day.

7.  The Dewalt track saw is just that - a saw and a track and a couple of minor accessories, while the Festool is part of a system with the MFT worktables and all the rest of the Festool stuff.

8.  So far, in the US, only the standard 48 tooth blade for the Dewalt, while many (though expensive) choices for the Festool.  I did ask the Freud rep at this show about availability in the US of Freud blades for the Festool and/or the Dewalt track saws, but they apparently are not available here, though they are in the UK and the rest of the civilized world.

All told, the Dewalt seems like a very good saw and track, but I own a Festool TS55EQ and it's accessories, and in all, have been very pleased with it.  I do think giving Festool some healthy competition is good, though.

Offline fshanno

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM »

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2.  The Dewalt rep recommended doing a very shallow scoring cut first, then a through cut if tearout on the offcut piece is problematic.

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I went to one of the Woodcrafts in Houston for the sales event there.  They had the DeWalt there as well and I went over the saw with the DeWalt rep.  We talked about off cut chip out but he didn't mention the scoring pass.  Ironically I used the example of the scoring blade that most sliders have to emphasize the importance of chip out protection. 

Then I saw your post today and I tried the scoring pass technique with my TS55 minus the chip out protector.  It works very well on melamine.  So the green thingy is not drop dead essential after all.  It's just a nice convenience.  I never thought of this.  Is it common knowledge in the Festool world?  It's news to me.  To be perfectly honest I think the scored cuts without the green thing are better than single pass with it.  Have you tried it?

By the way, did they trip a SawStop at your show?  They ran a weenie through the contractor saw in Houston.  It's something you have to see it to appreciate.  I've got to get one of those.  People say the riving knife is probably just as important as the brake.  I had some QS white oak close up on me yesterday on my stupid little ancient Sears contractor saw.  It was so bad that it just stopped the cut.  I had to turn off the saw, flip the board over and start from the opposite end.  It was spooky and I burned the heck out of the board.  I wish my wife had seen it.  Actually, the fact that the saw is so weak saves me.  It bogs down before it can kick back.


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Offline JEFF JOHNSON

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2008, 07:59 PM »
Does the dewalt router attachment fit on festool rails?

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #77 on: November 23, 2008, 01:17 PM »
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By the way, did they trip a SawStop at your show?  They ran a weenie through the contractor saw in Houston.  It's something you have to see it to appreciate.  I've got to get one of those.  People say the riving knife is probably just as important as the brake. 


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No hotdog cutting demo this time.  Meat (and Sawstop cartridges and blades) must be too expensive in this time of economic crisis... ;D

As to the riving knife, I know that most of my traumatic experiences on the tablesaw involved kickback, which is what the riving knife helps prevent.

Offline Peterm

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #78 on: November 23, 2008, 01:40 PM »
Does the dewalt router attachment fit on festool rails?

Don't have one to try, but I don't see why not - unless it only attaches to the second 'rib' of the DeWalt rail i.e. the one closest to the rubber splinter-guard; if it does, it probably won't have enough reach if used on a Festool rail?? I think I'd want to try it out before buying one.. ;)

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Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #79 on: November 24, 2008, 02:56 PM »
The dewalt rail only has 1 rib, in the middle. (It's the saw that has 2 "grooves", so it can ride on the festool rail aswell). The routerattachment is quickly demonstrated at 1 min 50 in the video I looked at the routerattachment picture in the accesories part of the site, because I could be possible the rods went through both holes in the routerbase, like a parallel-guide; but it doesn't, so my guess is it won't work on the festool rail. (the rods just look too short)

Offline Peterm

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #80 on: November 25, 2008, 03:27 AM »
The dewalt rail only has 1 rib, in the middle....

Sorry, my mistake. :-[

Pete
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Offline fshanno

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2008, 10:33 AM »
I recieved my DeWalt T-Square and I've had a chance to try it out.  From what I've seen so far it works great.  At this point I believe it's a must have considering its low cost.  It small, light and attaches/detaches rapidly and about as accurate as any other portable method for crosscutting sheet goods. 

It's not for ripping and I wouldn't attach it to anything longer than the 55" guide.  You need a very clean reference edge.  But all in all it's a sweet little tool.

The T-square has a notch so that a clamp can be inserted in the rail ahead of it allowing clamping on both ends.  And here's the ironic part.  From my observations on 3/4 material the Festool clamps work better than the DeWalt clamps in this role.  The DeWalt clamp is essentially a typical Irwin style pistol grip clamp and when fully engaged on 3/4 or thinner stock the clamping trigger contacts the thumb screw on the bottom of the t-square making it difficult to push the release trigger.  The handles on the Festool clamps face the other way and don't interfere.

The T is only a few inches so it has it's limitations.  The friction of the guide rail, which we love so much, works against the T-Square in this application.  It's not a big problem on melamine or prefinished ply but on unfinished ply there is quite a bit of force working against you as you squeeze it up to your mark.  It would be best work in ways that avoid cumulative error.  My initial testing indicates that I'm getting crosscuts on sheet goods that are as accurate as anything else I've tried.  It's like the two guys in the woods wondering what they would do if a bear attacked.  One said he doubted they could out run a bear.  The other said, "I don't have to out run the bear.  I just have to out run you."  This little thing may out run the MFT for crosscutting sheet goods.

Thank you DeWalt, now lets get started on something inexpensive for parallel rips.
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Offline Jnh. Design

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #82 on: November 29, 2008, 12:41 PM »
Well first off i would like to thank every one who contributed to this thread.   I have been very interested in the differences between these saws, and this thread has a remarkable amount of owner input.    after reading all of the posts here, and finally making my way to my local woodcraft to try the festool, I think i have made my decision based on the very first picture......

Yep I am going to be the proud new owner of the Dewalt...    why? most of you are probably thinking..   as a majority of the posts would point to the festool as being their choice...    well for me, the side by side comparison shows it all..    on the festool, the angle of the handle changes as you adjust the depth of cut.  the dewalt seems to stay the same.       The fes. just didn't feel right until it was plunged all the way..

Note*   that clamp rack looks mighty familiar mike ;) 

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2008, 02:38 PM »
Obviously its personal preference, but I have to say that I've never even considered that the angle of the handle changes with plunge depth,  so I don't see how it can really make any difference.    If the Dewalt is even half the saw the Festool is, it will be a great tool.

Fred
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Offline Jnh. Design

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2008, 04:33 PM »
so I went and demoed the dewalt and wasnt pleased at all.  I used a piece of melamine for my test piece, and even with thier best blade, i had unsatisfactory results.  the clamps that were supplied didnt even fit in the rail, and needed the top of them ground.  the rail itself felt very brittle, and would not hold firm to the melemine with out the use of clamps.   the plunge action ( what I thought would sell me this saw) actually was not very smooth, not even close to the 55.   after my demo I drove to woodcraft and just bought the festool 55.   

and i am very pleased.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2008, 05:03 PM »
I haven't heard yet, and maybe it has already posted, but does the Dewalt have the circuit protection that the Festool has? That is a big deal to me. Also thanks to daviddubya,( his link to Amazon was one of the few that still had it in stock) I purchased the T-square, and it is nice. I didn't expect it to be aluminum for some reason. It fits nice and tighter, and using my cheap-o square, it seems right on.
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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #86 on: December 04, 2008, 07:24 PM »
Mr. Design.

When people ask me why I spend tha amount of money that I do on the Festool products, I tell them that I research my purchases and what I have found is that Festool makes claims and delivers on them.  Others hype and don't.  That being said, I have plenty of tools from all the other manufacturers that have served me well because I have learned what to anticipate and also what to accept.  Every power tool that I bought since 1983 (except the miterbox that was run over by the bus - not my fault - loaned out - is working and can be utilized.  Unfortunately for them, I have found better than them.

I hope that you enjoy your new saw.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2008, 11:43 PM »
The JLT is the best tool I have driven for in a long time. Thanks again for that sale!

Sorry the Dewalt tracksaw was not to your liking. I have to say I had quite a different experience with the two saws in my shop. Ultimately you need to be happy with your tools so you DEFINATELY made the right choice.

Did you change shop spaces yet?



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« Reply #88 on: December 10, 2008, 10:39 PM »
ahh the shop, yeah its about 8000sf now.   I have the main 4k for processing,  the area that previosly housed the JLT is now strictly a finishing room, with a prep room, spray booth, and 12x20 curing room.  i added the 3500sf unit with the 5 bay doors to the mix, and use that for final assembly and packaging.

i made a bunch 4x8 carts that make the flow even better.  i can load them up, wheel em into the booth,  curing room. then off to final assembly..

not bad for a 1 man show.  now I need to find some people that want to learn this craft!!

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #89 on: December 12, 2008, 10:07 PM »
Just a FYI. I was at Woodcraft today and the rep was there with the Dewalt saw as well as the new Unisaw by Delta (more on that in a minute). I have to say there were some interesting things about the Dewalt. First, it has a built in kick back feature that I think the Festool could benefit from. Second, the thing goes on the track both ways. Not sure how often I would really do that or why, but it was interesting. Third, he walked right over the MFT/3 and put it on the Festool track. Fourth, the motion you use to plunge is linear and keeps the wrist in the same position throughout the plunge vs. how the Festool is more of a push and forward sort of curve motion. I was so used to the Festool I couldn't plunge it the first time. It's weird. I guess from a pure ergonomics perspective that it a plus especially if you use the saw all day. Fifth, their track was slightly more rigid, but nothing compared to the EZ guide rails. 6th, they had a deal where you get two rails that when joined will have you able to rip 4 x 8 sheets from the get go. I saw no clamps and they have no plans for a table like the MFT/3. All in all, I thought it was neat, but didn't feel that I made the wrong decision with my TS75, though again, I liked that kick back feature (in the saw, not a rail stop).

The rep also went over to the Kapex and pointed out five patented features that belong to other manufacturers hold and, according to him, are suing Festool over.

Off topic: Okay, the Unisaw sure looked awesome. It is built in Tennessee! It has a new funky looking blade guard like the new little Bosch 4000 saw and everything including the riving knife can be adjusted or removed with no tools. It has well thought out dust collection, a biesemeyer fence and the extension table has a big drawer (that can be removed if you want to mount a router. All in all the thing had me drooling and I didn't even ask the price. Meanwhile, I used a friends Saw Stop cabinet saw last night and that was near orgasmic as well.





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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2008, 01:08 PM »
Deke,

I witnessed a similar demonstration at Woodcraft's store in Bedford, OH (near Cleveland) about 2 wks ago.  They had demo clamps there, and both the fixed 90 degree crosscut rail accessory and a similar device with an adjustable mitre head, but none to take with me.   I personally confirmed that all of these accessories will fit Festool's Guide Rails while at that store.  I pre-paid for a pair of clamps and the fixed 90 degree accessory, and am still waiting for delivery.  I'm looking forward to using them, and freeing up a couple of Festool clamps.  A new MFT/3 was nearby.  I showed the DeWalt representative how the Festool clamps work with the MFT and told him that a even more Festool owners would be interested in those clamps if they were redesigned to also allow them to be used with holes in the MFT top.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
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Offline Martin Johnson

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #92 on: May 26, 2009, 11:44 AM »
There were a number of reviews in the woodworking pubs...basically they all came down to about the same conclusions, and this was before we had the parrallel guides...there are few more coming out, but I can't say which ones until they hit the street, but the results are about the same.  Most rank them like this:

1) Festool
2) Makita
3) Dewalt


http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-May-2009.html

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #93 on: January 03, 2017, 04:07 PM »
I had Dewalt plunge track saw for over a year. Nothing to complain about. The plunge action is a bit weired at first but I got used to it. I modified Dewalt to accept Festool off-cur splinter guard - took me 30 min. The track allows to clamp to narrower stock due to central position of the channel. This is the part I miss most working with Festool track saws. Also, the Dewalt guide rail router adapter fits multitude of routers from different manufacturers. It could be used with Festool rail, but needs to be shimmed to remove all play - no big deal, really. Major con of Dewalt track is having splinter guards on both sides - makes it impossible to butt the rail against a T-square for 90 degree cuts on sheet stock, - you have to mark it on both sides of the sheet, then carefully align the rail. Also, since they have only one channel making DIY parallel guides (no OEM version produced unfortunately) is problematic (although not impossible). Dewalt clamps are awesome. I sold Dewalt saw and rails with almost no loss and bought TS75, - only to have deeper cut capacity. Thinking of getting a lighter TS55 to use on the same rails, but might get another Dewalt since it glides on Festool rails as well.

As a final thought I think Dewalt really dropped the ball with pricing and marketing of their awesome tool. Had they dropped a price a bit and insisted on big box stores carrying this product in stock so that people could see it, touch it and maybe test it in stores they would have sold tons of those saws. Offering parallel guides, rail adapters for jigsaws, etc. would have also helped.

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Re: Dewalt DWS520SK vs Festool TS55EQ - long with pictures
« Reply #94 on: January 04, 2017, 09:08 PM »
I like my DeWalt too.  One disadvantage it has is the reviewers all tend to be Festool users who consider the plunge of the DeWalt odd and undesirable.  Wood Whisperer is a Festool guy.  The guy that did the Fine Homebuilding review was also a Festool user.  I like the plunge action - it is purely a subjective thing with no right/wrong.  But the Makita tends to be preferred because it feels more like the Festool.  The FWW article was also wrong in stating DeWalt doesn't offer a track connector.  They do.  They also have three lengths of track (I have one of each). 

I did have trouble with the blade change mechanism of my DeWalt, however, and ended up breaking a part.  But it still works fine without that part - it was the button you push down at the start.  It wouldn't go down and when I forced it, a small piece of the aluminum casting broke.  But with no button, everything still works.  I still am happy with the saw and don't wish I got a different one.