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Can't really 'review' the xl as I don't have one yet, but am getting one ASAP . Tried it out at the French building show in Paris this week. What really 'blew me away' as you say on the other side of the pond, is that it was actually easier to use than the 500. It moved about even less and cut 70mm tenons into beech like into butter. It seemed to vibrate ven less. The Festool guy's explanation was that because it didn't have the protruding 'alignment thingies' to compress, the non slip pads on the machine made better contact and held the machine more steady. Whatever the reason it was extremely impressive. The locking mechanisms have been improved and for something that will cut such a large tenon it was very soft and smooth. My large 2500 euro mortiser is looking even more like a white elephant.
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2011, 05:36 PM » |
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All I gotta say is that the XL had better not be another Carvex situation.  I've already got $1500 stashed and earmarked for the XL. |
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Peter Parfitt
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2011, 01:33 PM » |
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The Domino XL DF 700 is absolutely brilliant. As I said in my review, I have now sold my stationary mortising machine. It is beautifully accurate, easy to use and after 48 or so joints there was no noticeable dust on the bench top. You will be delighted with it when it arrives.
Peter
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2011, 05:32 PM » |
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I would like to buy either the Domino XL or the standard domino, but am trying to decide which one I should purchase. I make cabinetry and furniture. Can I get by with just one of them or do I need (shudder) to buy both?
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Kev
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2011, 05:52 PM » |
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I would like to buy either the Domino XL or the standard domino, but am trying to decide which one I should purchase. I make cabinetry and furniture. Can I get by with just one of them or do I need (shudder) to buy both?
No, you need both for the full range of dominoes - unless you think you can get away without the smaller dominoes. I wouldn't be surprised by a new Domino Micro that only offers te small sizes not handled by the XL ! |
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Guy Ashley
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2011, 05:54 PM » |
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I would like to buy either the Domino XL or the standard domino, but am trying to decide which one I should purchase. I make cabinetry and furniture. Can I get by with just one of them or do I need (shudder) to buy both?
I am in the fortunate situation of owning both, and I highly recommend them. As far as I am concerned they are the Festool flagship machines. I use the Domino 500 for cabinetry and furniture, and the Domino XL is being used for joinery applications, doors and windows, etc. From what you have said I would go with the standard Domino as it has the ability to use small domino's (4 x 20) right up to 10 x 50 which is more than ample for what you describe. If you progress onto more substantial joinery and require up to the 14 x 140 domino's then consider the Domino XL. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 07:25 PM » |
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The Domino XL DF 700 is absolutely brilliant. As I said in my review, I have now sold my stationery mortising machine. It is beautifully accurate, easy to use and after 48 or so joints there was no noticeable dust on the bench top. You will be delighted with it when it arrives.
Peter
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Peter Parfitt
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 07:27 AM » |
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Thanks Richard. One of the problems of old age!
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 07:46 AM » |
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Thanks Richard. One of the problems of old age!
Retep
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Tezzer
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 09:35 AM » |
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The Domino XL DF 700 is absolutely brilliant. As I said in my review, I have now sold my stationary mortising machine. It is beautifully accurate, easy to use and after 48 or so joints there was no noticeable dust on the bench top. You will be delighted with it when it arrives.
Peter
I heard it was very dusty. Something to do with the extraction port directly above the cutter and not to the left like the 500 (natural direction where the dust is ejected) |
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Peter Parfitt
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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 11:09 AM » |
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Dear Tezzer
Like almost every bit of Festool kit - the DF 700 does not produce clouds of dust provided it is connected to a decent dust extractor (I have a CTL 26). The only dust that you might see is inside the mortice after doing a deep cut. I think I point this out in one of the videos.
No, the Domino DF 700 is not dusty. Try one and see.
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 08:04 AM » |
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Well i used mine in anger for the first time 2 nights ago to make 3 oak internal doors. All i can say is WOW  What a tool ! Such a time saver. Plunging on the deepest setting you wonder if it is ever going to stop going in ! I small amount of dust in the bottom of the deep mortice's but certainly not dusty. No trial run, straight in about the oak  Thanks for the vids Peter. |
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
p.s- ive started reading these too
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Kev
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2011, 08:18 AM » |
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Well i used mine in anger for the first time 2 nights ago to make 3 oak internal doors. All i can say is WOW What a tool ! Such a time saver. Plunging on the deepest setting you wonder if it is ever going to stop going in ! I small amount of dust in the bottom of the deep mortice's but certainly not dusty. No trial run, straight in about the oak Thanks for the vids Peter. You're not helping !!! I've got no immediate need for a Domino XL, in fact I don't really have a "need" for the Domino I purchased just over a month ago ... but you're making me want an XL even more. darn You |
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2011, 06:15 PM » |
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2011, 08:04 PM » |
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Happy to help No Issues to report at all? Nothing?  |
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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2011, 05:37 AM » |
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Yea, the thing is a real lemon, you have to take the XL completely out the box to get at the spanner ! I mean, come on Seriously though, what a cool machine. Cuts full depth mortice's in oak without missing a beat. Looks like you will need to go get one   |
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2011, 05:48 AM » |
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i want 1 but dont have any use for 1. how stupid is that
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Peter Parfitt
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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2011, 06:00 AM » |
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i want 1 but dont have any use for 1. how stupid is that
Dear Mr Social Now let's get this straight... You do want one. You DO have a use for one - but you do not know that you do. You are not stupid - none of us are; we are just under the Festool spell. Seriously, if when you do get one you will find uses for it popping up all the time because you will factor it into your analysis of jobs that you have to do. Take care. Peter |
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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2011, 06:48 AM » |
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I emailed slingers the other day re; a release date from festool for the 110v version the answer..... they do not know. just how pants is that...?
they spend years and untold amounts of money bringing the machine to market and they can not tell customers when the 110v version will be available.
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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2011, 07:43 AM » |
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yeah if i get 1 it will be 110v. So looks like i will be waiting. I spoke to festool the other day and mentionion protool and thier answer was that the 1st fix market isnt very big in the uk(due to mainly brick built stuff) so they are not willing to spend the money on getting 110v tools to the market so the same may apply to the dom xl.
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2011, 09:49 AM » |
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Well i used mine in anger for the first time 2 nights ago to make 3 oak internal doors.
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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2011, 11:01 AM » |
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yeah if i get 1 it will be 110v. So looks like i will be waiting. I spoke to festool the other day and mentionion protool and thier answer was that the 1st fix market isnt very big in the uk(due to mainly brick built stuff) so they are not willing to spend the money on getting 110v tools to the market so the same may apply to the dom xl.
I'd be surprised if you didn't get the 110v version at about the same time we get ours or probably before. |
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funny that brice, because he said same about the protools. he said there was little chance that they would pass UL? said heath and safety law is stupid over in the us yet looking at some of the stuff you can buy you wouldnt think it
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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2012, 10:17 AM » |
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XL700 What a tool. I have been giving it the full-on run-down in the last six weeks and i reckon its one of the finest power tools i have ever used. At the moment sorting heaps of pics and info and will post a review in a week or two.
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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2012, 10:19 AM » |
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XL700 What a tool. I have been giving it the full-on run-down in the last six weeks and i reckon its one of the finest power tools i have ever used. At the moment sorting heaps of pics and info and will post a review in a week or two.
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Very cool, I'm looking forward to your insight on this tool!
Its a stunner. Totally reworked from the bottom up. One thing i will say, if you already own a 500 and purchase the new 700 then the usage split will be around 70/30 in favour of the 500. Its a beast, can be fatiguing with extended use, but will full mortise the toughest of tough timber like a hot knife through butter. An absolute pleasure to own and use. And the best thing not a stupid paddle to be seen back to 5mm (revamped) pins So im assuming this once and for all settles the pins/paddles debate for good |
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2012, 10:52 AM » |
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Very cool, I'm looking forward to your insight on this tool!
Its a stunner. Totally reworked from the bottom up. One thing i will say, if you already own a 500 and purchase the new 700 then the usage split will be around 70/30 in favour of the 500. Its a beast, can be fatiguing with extended use, but will full mortise the toughest of tough timber like a hot knife through butter. An absolute pleasure to own and use. And the best thing not a stupid paddle to be seen back to 5mm (revamped) pins So im assuming this once and for all settles the pins/paddles debate for good So lets see if i've got this right.........if you've got paddles you're up the creek  |
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funny that brice, because he said same about the protools. he said there was little chance that they would pass UL? said heath and safety law is stupid over in the us yet looking at some of the stuff you can buy you wouldnt think it
That's part of the problem. The UL is not a law and has nothing to do with the government. It is funded and run by a group of insurance companies. They will probably not pay a claim if a non-UL-certified tool is involved. The public can't vote on it and is totally at the mercy of the companies. Its hard to believe that they could arrive at their decisions rationally. One has to suspect that they are thoroughly corrupt. |
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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2012, 12:28 PM » |
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I was told recently by someone that worked for a factory & had to get itemes they made through UL. He said they had all kinds of problems getting things approved until they found the right kind of grease to use on the products.
After that it did not matter what the product was, as long as they used the same kind of grease, the products were always approved.
I heard it was "Ben Franklin" grease... |
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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2012, 02:03 PM » |
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Not sure why the focus on UL? In the US OSHA sets the regulations, and they have a list of what they call Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories, of which UL is one choice. The German Technischer Überwachungsverein is on that list.
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