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Offline mcooley

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Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« on: August 27, 2018, 01:31 PM »
Given the recent debate over the new Festool cyclone has anyone posted a side by side performance review yet? If Festool claims superior performance then why haven't they produced their own video? Anyhow curious to see how they perform side by side etc.

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2018, 01:39 PM »
They are not identical products so a direct comparison is not possible.

If dust collection is your only interest just go ahead and buy the Dust Deputy.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2018, 01:48 PM »
I believe both are to save bags replacement. Not sure if the Festool cyclone add to the suction but I doubt it. That being said the DD is more bulky and is a better fit in shop where the Festool cyclone would shine better on site.
Mario

Offline mcooley

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2018, 02:02 PM »
A comparison would still be nice even if they aren't identical. Their prices are not identical either. So it would make sense to weigh both in a comprehensive way. I am sure someone will do it.

Offline Corwin

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2018, 03:54 PM »
They are not identical products so a direct comparison is not possible.

What??? This statement seems meaningless to me. One compares two or more DIFFERENT items. There simply isn't anything to compare with two identical items. What the heck???
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2018, 04:43 PM »
They’re both nominally dust separators but one is designed to be portable and other not so much. Assuming they are equal at their primary function it’s their other features that would lead you to make a choice.

Assuming the Festool is not equal to the DD as a dust separator there are still plenty of people who will choose it over the DD just because it’s more portable, or just because it looks better, or just because you can lock Systainers on top, or just because it’s made by Festool.

To me the differences outweigh the similarity so they aren’t really comparable.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2018, 04:50 PM by Michael Kellough »

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2018, 05:44 PM »
i think its a reasonable request, not sure why the hostility.

performance test is what is asked for - not convenience, or a myriad of reasons listed here why individuals are justifying the festool to themselves

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2018, 06:50 AM »
@usernumber1 Welcome to the FOG, I agree that there is no room for hostility. Personally I do not find the FOG community to be hostile nor aggressive. I see the community as a bunch of people a like that have a lot in commun.

Folks on FOG try to expose their experience with what they have and what they know. Sometimes a discussion can go off the subject but this is something that can happen on any discussion forum unfortunately. If people reply to a simple question with a simple answer, a good portion of those questions would have zero answer. Not being a psychologist, I know that the perception a person can have from a no reply to a simple question is reject. You rarely see that on the FOG hopefully  [big grin]

Now the OP question: I am willing to make a review and comparison between the Oneida DD (I own one) and the Festool Cyclone, if Festool USA want to sent me a unit  [cool] I have a CT-26 and would even buy a second one just for that  [wink]... well okay, I may need a second one  [embarassed]
« Last Edit: August 28, 2018, 06:53 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2018, 07:49 AM »
Hi!

I'm pretty sure, once the "usual suspects" get their hands on the CT Cyclone there will be plenty of reviews, tests, comparisons ...

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
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Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2018, 08:57 AM »
It would be interesting for a review to be done between the two units, but perhaps that review really needs to be done with some forward thinking about how the units are designed and intended.

The Festool unit is in my mind clearly intended for a wide variety of work but primarily for mobile situations.  The Dust Deputy is really more designed for stationary or mobile only in the same workspace (shop, garage, etc.)

Festool mentions that in conjunction with the approved CT's it will meet the silica guidelines here in the US.  There is no mention of that from Dust Deputy as far as I know.  This would indicate to me that the design of the Festool product was more towards the portability needs of the carpenter / contractor who operates primarily outside of a semi-static environment.

I don't believe that these two products can be objectively compared on an apple to apple basis just like a standard big box circular saw can not be objectively compared to a track saw from any manufacturer.  They may do the same thing (cut wood) but their intended purposes are ultimately different as well as their setup and usage.

Just my thoughts.

Peter

Offline Joe Felchlin

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2018, 09:47 AM »
Peter: I agree with you.
The two products are “aimed” at two different market segments.
Ergo... Though they invariably will be compared - It’ll be an “apples and oranges” comparison.
One needs to view Festool’s new Separator in light of Festool’s continuing business model and market focus - Which is primarily the “on site” tradesman.
The entirety of their product line has always been dedicated to “portability” (even the fold-up MFT’s).
The “woodworking” segment of the tool business is minor in comparison to the potential/actual construction trade segment.

Given that consideration, neat as their new Separator is, other than the space saving “stackability” atop a Festool Dust Extractor - I, as a “workshop” woodworker - Won’t be inclined to trade my Dust Deputies in for this new product, neat as it apparently seems to be.
Were I an “on site” tradesman - Moving my tools/equipment about regularly - I be “chomping at the bit”, awaiting its availability.
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Offline Vondawg

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2018, 10:21 AM »
I agree with both peter and joe...and think even a small shop, woodshop woodworker, could find the space saving advantage of placing a 26 and new cyclone under a MFT for example (not with the optional clear bucket) as it looks like it would fit
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline IndyMike

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2018, 01:58 PM »
I think I'm going to add the CT Cyclone CT-VA-20 to my wish list for Christmas... I don't have a Dust Deputy or I'd do a comparison once I got the Cyclone.
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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2018, 07:30 PM »
what i'm noticing is the defense of festool cyclone as if there's a bias that it might not perform as well as DT .
there's a possibility that the DT does not perform anywhere near the CT cyclone does. that would be very interesting.


thanks for the welcome!

« Last Edit: August 28, 2018, 07:41 PM by usernumber1 »

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2018, 07:51 PM »
what i'm noticing is the defense of festool cyclone as if there's a bias that it might not perform as well as DT .
there's a possibility that the DT does not perform anywhere near the CT cyclone does. that would be very interesting.


thanks for the welcome!

I hope my post didn't help you come to your conclusion.  My post encouraged a comparison but mentioned that the two items were not direct competitors.

Peter

Offline IndyMike

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2018, 07:57 PM »
I’m sure I’ll be happy with the cyclone but if somebody wants to send me a DT I’ll be happy to compare them when I get a cyclone. :-P
Mike

Offline rmhinden

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2018, 08:18 PM »
I would be interested in seeing a comparison of the two as well.   We have lots of other comparison videos, this would be useful.

Price wise the Festool one is a bit more expensive ($375 vs. $299), but not so much difference that I would pick one over the other based on price alone.

Thanks.


Bob

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2018, 08:22 PM »
As a mobile Reno contractor, I am not sure the CT version or the DD one is for me.
I like the idea of pulling the bag out and tossing it without the added dust from dumping a canister/systainer.
I currently don’t have either, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing.
Charlie


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Offline Don Ware

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2018, 11:13 AM »
I've made two video's on the CT Cyclone on you-tube for Anderson Plywood,
I have the CT Cyclone but I don't have a Dust Deputy............
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Offline IndyMike

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2018, 11:17 AM »
I've made two video's on the CT Cyclone on you-tube for Anderson Plywood,
I have the CT Cyclone but I don't have a Dust Deputy............
I have to wait until October to get my hands on one :(.
Mike

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2018, 11:50 AM »
As a mobile Reno contractor, I am not sure the CT version or the DD one is for me.
I like the idea of pulling the bag out and tossing it without the added dust from dumping a canister/systainer.
I currently don’t have either, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing.
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Pretty sure you can line the clear container with a bag.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2018, 12:08 PM »
Re performance comments, it’s pretty clear from the comments of people knowledgeable about cyclonic separators, the truncated form of the Festool CT Cyclone will not be as efficient as a Dust Deputy. But Don Ware’s tests indicated that it’s still pretty good. Better than he expected.

Base your buying decision on whatever features are important to you.

Offline IndyMike

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2018, 12:25 PM »
Re performance comments, it’s pretty clear from the comments of people knowledgeable about cyclonic separators, the truncated form of the Festool CT Cyclone will not be as efficient as a Dust Deputy. But Don Ware’s tests indicated that it’s still pretty good. Better than he expected.

Base your buying decision on whatever features are important to you.
From just looking at it - I'd have to guess from a form dictates function standpoint - that it wouldn't be as effective.

Honestly my goal would be to be able to see when I need to empty it [clear container].  That alone I think makes it worth it :P.
Mike

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2018, 12:39 PM »
>>Honestly my goal would be to be able to see when I need to empty it [clear container].  That alone I think makes it worth it :P.<<

It is for me to. I went to Anderson plywoodlast week as they had a festool demo day there. I got to see the cyclone being used first hand. The fest tool rep used both a sander and a TS 55 to demonstrate the cyclones ability to collect dust.
It worked pretty darn good. Plus for me the ability se how full the bin is ( I always fuill mine to the point of the CT not sucking very hard to determine if its full or not) to just pop the top off and empty the the clear bin. I dont like having to seperate the halves of the CT 26 w boom arm assy which includes a handle). So popping the top off makes emptying it easy.

I already primed my kids to get me cyclone for my xmas present from them.

Offline IndyMike

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2018, 12:59 PM »
I already primed my kids to get me cyclone for my xmas present from them.
My GF the other day said, "No more buying any tools!"

I was like, "What did you just say?"

She then said, "If you keep buying tools I won't have anything to get you for Christmas!"

I was in a bad marriage for nearly a decade where I made all of the money but wasn't 'allowed' to buy anything / get what I wanted - so for a moment I was like Wait, what? Excuse me?

That said - that wasn't the issue :).

Now I just need to drop the hint, a lot, about a Festool Cyclone haha.
Mike

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2018, 08:51 PM »
@IndyMike

The hint I dropped was I sent them a link to it and told them this is what I want for Xmas.

Usually by the time Xmas rolls around Ive bought myself everything thing I need/wanted. But this year I thought hey the kids are all working now so its my turn , Hey kids.......

Thyre good about it, they all pitch in 3 ways so its not bad. Then for my B-day theres that DF 500 connector set Ive been jonesing for....

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2018, 10:33 PM »
@jobsworth
Hey buddie you deserve it, Your Good people !!!!!
And the 500 Domino connector's are so easy to use. The 700 Dominos are heavy duty. I've messed up moving the height of the fence and wrong depth...…… ( Just have to be smarter than a piece of wood …. ) The 500 with the drilling jig is hard to mess up. And the CT Cyclone you saw works great. I so like things that work like they should...….
Be good Buddie !!!!!!!!!! ( I'm sure Santa will have Goodies in your stocking )
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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2018, 11:39 PM »
@Don Ware

I got to use that 650mm rail yesterday. hehehehehe

yea Santa better get me that cyclone, Ill rip his beard out if he dont  [eek]

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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2018, 02:58 AM »
Given the recent debate over the new Festool cyclone has anyone posted a side by side performance review yet? If Festool claims superior performance then why haven't they produced their own video? Anyhow curious to see how they perform side by side etc.

I have not seen the Festool cyclone yet but have read the pre-release and current product description on the Festool web site.

Festool have been very honest about expected performance with different materials "...up to 80% mineral dust and 95% of coarse particles". I don't think that is claiming superior performance. I do not remember seeing any quantitative claims by Oneida.

My UDD performs really well with general woodworking tish but I have not tried it with mineral dust.

I somehow doubt whether anyone will measure the performance of these devices in order to check Festool's (modest) claim.

Peter
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Re: Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2018, 10:23 AM »
@Peter Parfitt,

When I got to play with the cyclone at Anderson Plywood  the other day. I was impressed at the amount of dust it captured both fine sanding dust and dust collected from the TS55. Now the % of dust collected I have no Idea. But I was able to see the dust sucked into the clear bin and it impressed me to where Im going to get me one.

I really doubt if festool or Oneida will do a comparison. It would prolly have to come from a FOGGer who has one and borrows the other.

But personally I dont care. Bc the idea of being to see the bin being able to see that its full and just lifting it up and emptying it and easily putting it back is enough for me. Plus if I end up doing a large job I can either easily empty the full bin and cyclone and the CT bag. which inceases the overall storage capacity.

@Don Ware
Don would it be possible to make another video showing how this cyclone increases the storage capacity of the CT?

That would be great.