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Offline rsenechal

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DWC-18 First Project Experience
« on: October 29, 2016, 05:43 PM »
I bought the DWC-18 right when it came out because I happened to just be starting to sheetrock a 12 foot high 3-car garage.  Just finished it and was really impressed with the battery. I did the entire garage with 1 battery and never had to charge it. The tool took a bit of getting used to (i had never used a drywall gun before) but it ended up saving me a bunch of time and instead of hiring the job out was able to use that money to buy the tools to make the job easier. I absolutely do not regret that purchase.

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Offline johnledbetter

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2016, 12:18 PM »
The arrival of this tool was timely for me as well, as my wife and I are renovating our older home. We removed thin wood panels and put new drywall over the (very) old drywall underneath. I noticed the same impressive battery performance. The four ~10 x 8 walls were done on the factory charge of one battery. After using a regular driver on the last room we renovated, I had sworn off doing any more drywall. This tool took out the most frustrating aspect of that work for me.

My one point of pain was that the long screwdriver bit would often fall out when I removed the collated screw attachment to back out a miss-driven screw. It was also tricky to get the bit re-seated in the drill. Except for this (and remembering to put it back in "Auto" mode before ramming it against the sheetrock) it was a far superior experience to using a regular drill.

Offline Nat X

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2016, 07:24 PM »
While I am very frustrated by all the fiddliness involved in swapping "chucks," by and large you really shouldn't be doing it that frequently. Just drive all the screws you can and then come back around to either snug the proud ones up or back them out and re-do. Even if you're the sort who doesn't believe in sanding, drywall's always a multi-pass affair any way you slice it. It goes a lot faster if you just accept the assembly line mentality from the beginning.

What I do hate is the fact that you're more-or-less locked in to buying Festool bits since all the long ones at the regular old hardware store are hex all the way down and don't fit in the little hole so well, but at least they don't force you into buying their screws. Honestly, not sure why they even bothered producing their own. It's surely just a pointless rebrand.

I'm not fan of the plastic hanging hook, either, but by and large it's a good tool and the price is right about where it should be for what you get. Not sure I'd do it if I didn't already have Festool batteries, but I'm happy with mine.

Offline 1toolshort

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2016, 01:35 PM »
I bought this about a month ago for a basement I am finishing out.  I'm hanging about 40 sheets on walls and ceiling and I thought this might be the right answer.  The battery is awesome.  The first day I used it non-stop for 8 hrs. with one changeout of battery.  The balance is good.  I love the adjustments.  That's the good news.  The bad news is that I must be a real idiot because I cammed out BOTH long bits on the auto feed.  I got 2 1/2 days use out of them.  That has to be me.  I ordered 4 more in the hopes that I will learn how to hit the screw direct without sending the screw off center.  The shorter bit works fine.  All in all, a great buy...I just hope the long bits get here tomorrow.
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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2016, 02:59 PM »
i finished hanging the drywall a few weeks ago in the basement.  In the first few days of using the new Festool, DWC, I was not hitting the screw central.  And I was moving the gun around too much.  As a result, I stripped the two supplied bits in no time.  My bad.  I ordered plenty as replacements, but after adjusting the distance guard at the end of the autofeed, it worked like a dream.  Problem solved.  batteries rock, and the screw advancing mechanism is terrific.  Can't say enough good about it.
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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2016, 08:01 PM »
Over here Hilti make a very good cordless collated feed drywall gun.
How does it compare to the Hilti?

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2016, 02:16 PM »
Quality on par with Hilti; quieter in use and better battery life.
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Offline deltafunction

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2016, 07:53 PM »
I have the hilti and my only complaint is the strip of screws.   Hilti has proprietary screws and doesn't hold enough.  If this is on par with hilti in other aspects it will definitely be a winner
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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2016, 11:46 AM »
I ha e the hilti and my only complaint is the strip of screws.   Hilti has proprietary screws and doesn't hold enough.  If this is on par with hilti in other aspects it will definitely be a winner

To me its by far the cheapest option as well so I reckon I'll be buying the Festool, I've used the Hiltis and they are great machines but I already have a Festool HKC with two batteries and the charger so can pick up the DWC for less than three hundred quid.

As opposed to the Hilti which would be more like five hundred or more? Which would me I just wouldn't buy it at all.

Offline LDBecker

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2017, 08:11 PM »
Just got the DWC-18 4500 (only one available in the US, I believe) - It's great. Very fun to use, especially on Auto. Using Festool strip screws (coarse, 35mm),  I didn't have any problems at all. Like a poster above, I had to learn to keep it straight - but once sorted out, it's a great option for screwing drywall. The Festool drywall attachment for my T18 is $130, so $300 for the whole gun, including an attachment and the strip option, seemed a good deal.

Offline BJM9818

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2017, 09:02 PM »
I have owned the DWC 4500 since Feb. it was a great buy for a recent remodel that required a ton of Sheetrock patches. Yesterday I hung a 24x 80" piece to patch a hole with ease. 

The only fault as others have mentioned is removing the feeder to back out a screw. The bit usually goes flying somewhere.

I just found Amazon has duraspin 1000ct 1 1/4 #6 screws for $16.50 free delivery with prime. I have been buying the 800ct buckets at HD for $18.xx. Just ordered 10 buckets. I really wish they would come in boxes. Storing the buckets is far from ideal

Offline ear3

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2017, 07:16 AM »
Got my first chance to try the DWC two days ago.  We had to hang all this OSB, but in such a way that it could be easily removed (art installation that will be taken down once completed in the warehouse and then rebuilt someplace else).  My friend had just picked up the DWC since he does a lot of drywall, so we were curious whether we could use it for the OSB and speed up the process.  It did not work -- most of the screw heads remained proud, even on max depth/torque.  So just in case you were curious whether it can be used for other sheet materials, I can confirm that it is drywall only  [tongue]
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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2017, 07:33 AM »
Hi,

Very interesting observation, now I need to get some OSB to try. I would have thought that if the DWC 4500 fails at OSB, it's because of the speed (screws spinning, not enough retention) but not because it couldn't sink the screws.

I did this video for another thread, but I think it shows why I wouldn't have thought of OSB being a problem.



Like I said, very interesting observation. I'll go get some OSB tomorrow. :)

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Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2017, 08:18 AM »
Hi,

Very interesting observation, now I need to get some OSB to try. I would have thought that if the DWC 4500 fails at OSB, it's because of the speed (screws spinning, not enough retention) but not because it couldn't sink the screws.

I did this video for another thread, but I think it shows why I wouldn't have thought of OSB being a problem.


I'm sure you can get a more torque out of the short depth stop attachment over the magazine attachment.  My guess is the long bit is where you're losing most of that torque.   
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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2017, 10:14 AM »
Hi,

I will consider that and use collated screws and the auto-feed attachment with long bit. :)

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Oliver

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2017, 10:32 AM »
If you are going to install OSB I might suggest making sure that the underside of the screw head has the "nibs" for cutting a recess.  Not all screws do and certainly those for possibly hanging sheetrock don't - and shouldn't.

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2017, 11:17 AM »
Check.  [big grin]

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2017, 11:18 AM »
Hi,

Quick update. I bought a piece of OSB today, I'm waiting on confirmation of my order with my hardware dealer for collated Spax screws (with the recess cutting nibs) as I only have drywall screws fine and coarse at hand.

Couple of days and I'll post a video :)

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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2017, 07:17 AM »
They did not.  Was using collated drywall screws


If you are going to install OSB I might suggest making sure that the underside of the screw head has the "nibs" for cutting a recess.  Not all screws do and certainly those for possibly hanging sheetrock don't - and shouldn't.

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2017, 07:19 AM »
Hi,

first screws arrived today, expect a video in the next couple of days. :)

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2017, 03:38 PM »
Hi,

So over the course of the day all screws arrived.





Festool (coarse) collated drywall screws (I had those), Adunox collated OSB/plywood screws (given to me by Adunox), Hilti (coarse) collated screws, Hilti (fine) self-drilling drywall screw, Hilti (fine) drywall screw. (All Hilti screws given to me by private party).

I pretty much expect all of the drywall screws to either fail or give me real trouble. Except for the Hilti maybe because they especially advertise these for wood/wood applications. We shall see. Especially because they seem to be pretty much identical to the Festool screws. The Adunox should work like a charm - but we're going to see that, too.

I couldn't get any collated Spax, they were out and would only produce them if I order 40.000 screws... in hindsight this was a blessing because they only make them for the "Coil"-System so I couldn't have used them anyway with the DWC.

I built this little "wall" ;)



I have a lot of sanding and painting planned for tomorrow, but I will try to squeeze the DWC run in between so I can upload the video on Sunday.

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2017, 01:06 PM »
Video is uploading  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2017, 03:26 PM »
Hi,

here's the promised video.

I don't know why your friend had so much trouble sinking (even drywall/sheetrock screws) into OSB @ear3 - but the DWC is definitely not causing the problem - it performed like I expected.

As @Peter Halle pointed out, using a collated screw with recess cutting head is to be preferred for this kind of task, but what can I say...

I used Festool's collated coarse drywall screws, Adunox collated OSB screws (of the preferred type), Hilti collated coarse drywall screws, and then just for fun: Hilti collated fine drywall screws with drill tip and Hilti collated fine drywall screws.

I did make one mistake: I didn't change the bit from PH to PZ on the first 20 Adunox screws, that's why 2 kept standing out and other one wasn't sunk. I changed the bit to the correct one (PZ) and drove some more - no issues. I could punch myself for this, I had it ready, but I just went on without changing at first. Forgive me, this was in between another project... Oh, and I head one misfeed with the Hilti screws...

Without further talk, here's the video:



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Oliver

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2017, 03:51 PM »
Interesting -- it must have been the screws then.  I forget which brand they were -- maybe Hitachi?-- but they were not Festool screws.

Many thanks for the video demonstration and correction.


Hi,

here's the promised video.

I don't know why your friend had so much trouble sinking (even drywall/sheetrock screws) into OSB @ear3 - but the DWC is definitely not causing the problem - it performed like I expected.

As @Peter Halle pointed out, using a collated screw with recess cutting head is to be preferred for this kind of task, but what can I say...

I used Festool's collated coarse drywall screws, Adunox collated OSB screws (of the preferred type), Hilti collated coarse drywall screws, and then just for fun: Hilti collated fine drywall screws with drill tip and Hilti collated fine drywall screws.

I did make one mistake: I didn't change the bit from PH to PZ on the first 20 Adunox screws, that's why 2 kept standing out and other one wasn't sunk. I changed the bit to the correct one (PZ) and drove some more - no issues. I could punch myself for this, I had it ready, but I just went on without changing at first. Forgive me, this was in between another project... Oh, and I head one misfeed with the Hilti screws...

Without further talk, here's the video:



Kind regards,
Oliver
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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2017, 08:00 AM »
great video.  pretty much as I would have expected.  I had issues early on with proper technique. (I am a woodworker, not a drywall installer).  I built out a basement last winter pretty much to keep busy during cold months.  Even with my bad technique early on, I saved days with the DWC-18.  It paid for itself.  Nice to see the OSB response, as well.
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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2017, 07:21 PM »
Hi,

@1toolshort Thanks!

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2017, 05:10 AM »
I've driven a few hundred 4.5 X 50mm chipboard screws into 11mm OSB on studwork and found my 2500 was at its limit doing this and I had to be super careful to line the drill up properly. Lots of cam-out with the pozi 2 head, too. All the plastetbaording I've done with it has been great though. Particularly driving about 1400 35mm screws in a day puttting up a big ceiling.

One gripe is that festool don't make a long square drive tip as I understand it.

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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2017, 02:24 PM »
Yeah, I had a lot of cam outs until I got the hang of it.  I ordered a bunch of extra bits.  But then again I didn't have any more issues after I got used to it.
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Re: DWC-18 First Project Experience
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2017, 10:21 PM »
I just picked up the drywall gun and I like it. It’s a good tool and it gets the job done. You don’t have to keep reaching for screws. Just out in a line of screws and go.
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