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Offline Yxoc

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Firstly, let me assure you, I am NOT trolling here.

I am looking to buy my first power tools (other than an electric drill and a bench drill press given to me by my father) and want to buy good quality. I work in solid wood and fairly large sections, hence I have been looking at the Festool HK 85. I resent Festools exorbitant pricing and I loathe their "Apple - Style" price fixing where no one will do deals (even if you plan to purchase a number of items). But I would forgive all this if I knew that (at a price) I was getting something well engineered, high quality, innovative and cut with high precision (I am looking to do lots of compound cuts).

But looking at these youtube videos, the internals, honestly don't seem to be anything special. I don't agree with all of his comments and I don't believe all the things that he points out are disadvantages, but bronze bushings? uncoated field windings? A blade lock that keys into the plastic fan blade?

To be honest I am unimpressed. If it is as bad as it seems then I can see myself springing some extra money for a Mafell KSS80 Ec. It would cost me $500 AUD more and I would have to import it myself (and change the plug) but I would happily do this if the quality was significantly better.

So please - fire away, flame me to a cinder, but if you seriously believe that the FESTOOL is high quality then please explain why you feel that way.

Thanks in advance and here are the youtube videos:


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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2017, 04:30 AM »
I see that Britain's Got Talent is amongst the links that you have provided - I will check the show out next Saturday !

Perhaps you need to be more specific about what you are trying to achieve.

What tools have you tried and what are your thoughts about them?

Peter

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2017, 05:47 AM »
Peter,
Thanks for the reply. Something funny has happened to the links I attempted to post. Clearly there are some forum rules that prevent the posting of youtube links? Please, if you search on "BOLTR: Festool TS55 Teardown Test" in youtube you will find exactly the video I am referring to. The same member has a follow up test after reassembly that is also very educational.

What I would like is to hear if forum members feel the criticisms made in the videos are valid. I am trying to determine if I am buying anything more that a brand name when I buy Festool. I simply want to buy only good quality tools and I am happy to pay the money if that is indeed what I am getting. But if I'm not getting that...

I have not used that many power tools, I have mostly worked with hand tools to this point but I want to purchase a few specific tools to help speed up some of the more mundane prep work.

Regards

Derek

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2017, 06:00 AM »
You'll find these videos have been discussed previously by people with far more skill and engineering capability than those making them.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/ts55-teardown-on-youtube/

Offline mattmass

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2017, 06:54 AM »
You'll find these videos have been discussed previously by people with far more skill and engineering capability than those making them.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/ts55-teardown-on-youtube/

Well said and completely true. Those videos are garbage.

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2017, 07:39 AM »
Festool has a 30 day trial period -- you could get the saw and see for yourself how it performs, and then return it if you don't like it.  As far as the issues that the reviewer points out, I'm not an engineer so I'll defer to the assessments made by FOG members in the other thread discussing the review, but I don't recall over the last 3 years seeing on this forum any failures/problems with the unit in any way related to what he brings up.  Occasionally some complaints about bevel setting or about cutting thicker material, but these more often than not turn out to be end user issues (improper technique, dirty/dull blade, etc.).  Keep in mind that Festool has a robust 3 yr. service guarantee on all its tools.

Peter,
Thanks for the reply. Something funny has happened to the links I attempted to post. Clearly there are some forum rules that prevent the posting of youtube links? Please, if you search on "BOLTR: Festool TS55 Teardown Test" in youtube you will find exactly the video I am referring to. The same member has a follow up test after reassembly that is also very educational.

What I would like is to hear if forum members feel the criticisms made in the videos are valid. I am trying to determine if I am buying anything more that a brand name when I buy Festool. I simply want to buy only good quality tools and I am happy to pay the money if that is indeed what I am getting. But if I'm not getting that...

I have not used that many power tools, I have mostly worked with hand tools to this point but I want to purchase a few specific tools to help speed up some of the more mundane prep work.

Regards

Derek
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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2017, 10:31 AM »
Hi,

I'll give you my thoughts - and it's really nothing more, just my thoughts.

From all TS55 videos that can be found on youtube it is this teardown video that is most often brought up by people questioning if they should buy Festool tools or not.

If someone starts a tool "review" by labeling a product "the Louis Vuitton of those woodworking types" and does so in a certain tone >>I<< know where this train is headed and what to expect. And I honestly can't understand why someone would let a video like this cast any doubts, let alone seriously consider its content while deciding wether to purchase a Festool tool or not.

There are so many highly skilled people right here on the FOG, on Youtube (and many other places) who publish fantastic reviews and videos of their work and projects and who will gladly vouch for many - if not all - of the tools Festool builds and who achieve exceptional and extraordinaire results with them.

A tool - no matter how highly praised - never replaces skillset and it's certainly not a magic wand that turns you into a highly talented, skilled professional on three - but it can be inspiring and urge you to make something, empower you to try something new even if that seemed way over your head just a couple of minutes ago. This is exactly what made Apple the company it is today, it is what makes Festool special. When I'm using their products I feel inspired and I dare to take on more (sometimes than what's good for me).

But there's a crucial catch: You need to let it happen. You need to stop pondering about wether to buy something or not, buy it, use it and decided if it is for you. Festool offers a 30 days testing period so there's zero commitment/investment if you're not happy.

Again - a tool does not replace skillset - I have to admit that everyday and after every project I do - but the journey is great and fun.

So before deciding if you buy a tool or not, watch something inspiring instead of something that is purely and utterly destructive.

Watch what beautiful flooring a guy named "Daniel Pfeiffer" created using Festool tools:



Watch how our very own Peter Parfitt uses Festool on his wonderful projects and listen to what he has to say about some of the tools and accessories:

http://www.youtube.com/user/StoneMessage

Take a look at David Stanton, also one of our very own, and what great stuff he builds using Festool tools and listen to his tips and what he has to say:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Davesbuildtips/

And even another one of our very own: Timothy from Benchworks - take a look at his amazing workshop build and beautiful projects - with a lot of Festool tools involved.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ruskijager/

And these are just a couple of really great guys doing wonderful stuff - and I wholeheartedly apologize to anyone on here that I have not listed/mentioned (maybe even not found at all yet)

You know, I'm just a random guy who loves DIY, high quality tools and the finer things in life. My skills don't even come close (it's more like I'm on a sub-zero level) compared to the skills of these wonderful guys I have mentioned, but I still love every moment I work with my Festool tools.

Here's another great thread/read close to the matter: http://festoolownersgroup.com/fun-games-diversions/does-holding-a-festool-make-you-feel-better/

Oh, and last but not least - if you use Instagram - follow festool_usa - they re-post incredible craftsman and woman :) as well. Take a look at today's re-posted craftsman: https://www.instagram.com/exoticwoodshavings/

Kind regards,
Oliver
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Offline JLMS2010

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2017, 12:37 PM »
One thing I noticed when looking at the Mafell saw was it came with a 1 year warranty.   Festool comes with a 3 year warranty.  The tools are expensive, but they are the best tools I've used.  I haven't used Mafell, but have used Porter Cable, Dewalt, Rigid, Makita, Milwaukee.

As the other member mentioned above.  You can try any tool for 30 days and if you don't like it you can return it. 

Offline Alex

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2017, 01:43 PM »
What I would like is to hear if forum members feel the criticisms made in the videos are valid.

The words "Don't believe everything you see on the internet." apply here.

The guy of the video somehow pretends to know it all, but he simply doesn't.

Offline mattmass

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2017, 01:52 PM »
The guy of the video somehow pretends to know it all, but he simply doesn't.

I think even this is being charitable. The guy spent half of his time attempting to melt the inside of the handle.

Offline Svar

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2017, 03:01 PM »
Most of that teardown commentary is just easily refuted nonsense. I look at it as simple entertainment and a chance to look inside.
One odd thing though was bronze bushing on the far end of arbor shaft. Most saws have needle bearings there, TS 75 and the entire Mafell line have ball bearings. However, considering TS55 proven service life and performance it makes no difference.
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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2017, 03:36 PM »
The videos made by these people are done with one aim and one aim only - to make money by getting people to watch them. How else could they afford to destroy so many beautiful tools? Lets hope that this thread is not making them more money !

I think that Oliver @six-point socket II has nailed it - just ignore the obvious "sea are aye pea".

Peter

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2017, 03:46 PM »
The videos made by these people are done with one aim and one aim only - to make money by getting people to watch them.
Most of youtube videos have that same aim. Nothing wrong with that.

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2017, 04:03 PM »
Firstly, let me assure you, I am NOT trolling here.

I am looking to buy my first power tools (other than an electric drill and a bench drill press given to me by my father) and want to buy good quality. I work in solid wood and fairly large sections, hence I have been looking at the Festool HK 85. I resent Festools exorbitant pricing and I loathe their "Apple - Style" price fixing where no one will do deals (even if you plan to purchase a number of items). But I would forgive all this if I knew that (at a price) I was getting something well engineered, high quality, innovative and cut with high precision (I am looking to do lots of compound cuts).

But looking at these youtube videos, the internals, honestly don't seem to be anything special. I don't agree with all of his comments and I don't believe all the things that he points out are disadvantages, but bronze bushings? uncoated field windings? A blade lock that keys into the plastic fan blade?

To be honest I am unimpressed. If it is as bad as it seems then I can see myself springing some extra money for a Mafell KSS80 Ec. It would cost me $500 AUD more and I would have to import it myself (and change the plug) but I would happily do this if the quality was significantly better.

So please - fire away, flame me to a cinder, but if you seriously believe that the FESTOOL is high quality then please explain why you feel that way.


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I'm a woodworking n00b who started in July 2016.  I already own 3 Festool tools: the TS 75, the CT MINI, and the DF-500 Domino.  I'm not gonna do a full review on the tools but I will say that the Festool green makes knowing how to operate the tool a lot easier.  The TS 75 makes really clean rips and cross cuts and the CT MINI does a spot on job with dust collection.  I love my Festool tools becasue they're super easy to use and give amazing results.

Offline tony_sheehan

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2017, 02:51 AM »
Funny tho' isn't it- 100 people say something is good, one person says it's crap and everyone pays  more attention to the bad review?!

Offline jediknifefight

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2017, 03:06 AM »
about the videos: AvE isn't horrible. interesting to see what goes into things. Go digging for his second video on the TS55 where he puts it back together and puts it on the scope. Its a little more informative. (I am by no means an expert on any of this, so grain of salt)

About the TS55 from my own experience: Its nice. Worth every penny. I was using a Milwaukee skill saw before and the amount of dust it would kick out while breaking down sheet goods was insane. With the Festool, I have very little dust. My Milwaukee would also give me an edge with so much tear out that I would lose a decent sized strip of material  near the cut that would have to be removed on the table saw. I am sure you have heard of rough cuts with the skill saw, and finish cuts on the table saw. With the TS55, the cuts are amazingly clean. I haven't had my stuff for that long so my jaw still drops at how clean the cuts turn out.
The TS55 is so nice that I would go on a limb and say that with the MFT one could probably get away with not buying a table saw. (in fact, in the morning, I plan on using the TS55 to do some cross cutting on some cutting boards that are too wide to cross cut on my table saw safely)
My only gripe with the TS55 is that the location of the plug it connection is awkward. Of all the tools from festool I have, (domino, sander, router, vac and the saw) this one is the one that gives me the feeling that its going to break.

On festool in general: I love it, the dust collection is amazing. I have transitioned from a garage shop that had so much airborne dust in it that I had to wear a respirator all the time, to a shop that is starting to look like no one works there cause of the lack of dust. Its amazing.  I just bought the ETS 125/3... sanding without dust, is like a dream come true.  What an amazing system.

I have no experience with the HK saws, other than I would personally get a track saw over that style of saw.

Offline Yxoc

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2017, 04:48 AM »
Thank you all for your input,

Firstly I should have realised that this video would have done the rounds and tried to search for it first, might have saved us all some time...

I will say that I have watched a few of AvE's videos and I believe that he is very knowledgeable in some areas and my guess would be that he is an accomplished engineer of some flavour. He admits that he is not a woodworker and I agree that some of his comments regarding the tools are misguided, largely because he is coming at it from a non-woodworkers perspective. He has a deliberately kooky and abrasive sense of humour which I enjoy but I see how it could annoy some people. As others have mentioned, if you watch the sequel to the first video you will agree that he know's his maths and sciences.

I will agree that Festool have many strong points, namely their excellent ergonomics and clever, thoughtful integration of all their systems. Dust collection also, is often offered as an important strong point and I will agree. That said, I feel that when one pays a certain price for a tool I expect very robust construction - maybe over engineered is the best term to apply. An attitude that using a bit more than required will cost only a little bit more at the manufacturing stage but will pay off handsomely in extra longevity. From looking inside the Festool track saw I did not get that impression. I will have to politely disagree with many posters here in that AvE's points have not been effectively rebutted/refuted - people have mostly just stated that he is wrong or silly (and worse) without providing solid evidence to the contrary. Yes I am aware that bushings are used in internal combustion engines but from my memory of High School motors and machines, they also have channels where oil is fed at high pressure into the mating surfaces. In any case there is a reason that bearings have come into common use, if bushings are better why don't we still use them for everything?

Further when I look at uncoated windings, weak plastic for external components, and a blade lock that keys into the plastic cooling fan, I can only think that Festool did this to economise, and for the kind of money we're talking here I don't expect corners to be cut in that way. Yes you would not expect the end cap of the motor to receive knocks but for the sake of a few cents/dollars per unit it could be made with a much higher grade of plastic - just in case!

I have had a good look at the HK85 in the shop, it looks very decent and the track system/accessories as you all already know, are great, but I could not convince myself that it was constructed to the standard I would expect for the money and I have put my money down for the Mafell KSS80. I feel it will be a notch higher but I will freely admit that, delivered to Australia, it has cost significantly more so you would expect so. It also has a couple of mm of extra cut depth (3.5 to be exact) which, while not a deal breaker, is very useful for my circumstances.

Thanks to all and good luck. I may come back and give my thoughts on the Mafell when I've had some time with it. Soon I expect I will be looking at a router and I have not discounted the 1400 or 2200 yet, so you may see me back

Derek

Offline LJD

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2017, 04:45 AM »
I never ever trust any of the "Paid for" Festool reviews .Far too many seem to be the type that would use festool toilet paper if they got paid . No Matter how good they are .I expect to see a real Pro pick tools that do the best job rather than  a "one brand work shop" .
Its obvious what are the top festool items are .And I agree with a few and own them.  . But the rest .....!

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2017, 09:52 AM »
Many contractors the world over make their living using the TS55 or other tools from Festool and swear by them.
Many others use different brands and will swear by them and naturally you will always have brand loyalty.
You are on a Festool forum so you would think members here would be biased however FOG members are quick to point out pro's and con's of any tool they own and use - nobody makes a perfect tool or makes a perfect lineup of tools

However one major benefit that Festool does offer (I don't think anyone else does this) is their guarantee of replacement part availability for a minimum of 10yrs, from the Festool website itself:

"There's no such thing as 'No longer in stock'.
10 year spare part availability
That's how long we keep every part in stock for your device – at least. And if, against all expectations, it should ever be unavailable, you will receive a new replacement device, free of charge. Festool tools are designed for long and intensive use. You can rely on that. Even after 10 years."

Somehow I doubt they are making inferior tools with that sort of backing and statement.

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2017, 10:53 PM »
i enjoy AVE's videos, i can't say i understand much of what he says technically so wether or not he's competent is not for me to say, he is however entertaining. Here's the thing about his videos, he's explicitly looking for defects and "problems", he also seems to hold the higher end brands to a different standard. So, if one of the higher end brands uses the same component that a big box brand would use the comment is "i'd expect to see something better". the question with that mentality is, is EVERY SINGLE COMPONENT in a high end tool supposed to be better? does it really matter?



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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2017, 03:42 AM »
I like AVE. lots of tool guys get offended but it is entertaining and whilst he gets some of it wrong if you take the time to watch more of his stuff he often loops back and corrects his assertions. He has a lots of manufacturing and engineering knowhow but clearly doesn't know everything and often points this out. He slates things that he believes need it and gives praise where he thinks due which I like compared to sponsored type reviews. Overall I find it quiet entertaining and that's the main thing.


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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2017, 07:39 AM »
@Yxoc So you've decided to import a Maffel at significantly higher costs than the Festool. . I assume you will therefore have no warranty on the Maffel, where the Festool would have had 3 years?

And all because of one video review from a non carpenter/user? Despite all the the overwhelmingly positive reviews and opinions also available on the Festool saws?

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2017, 06:04 PM »
So just out of curiosity, does anyone know for a fact that the maffel doesn't have that bushing that's supposed to be ludicrous?


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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2017, 07:42 AM »
MrB - You are correct! I reviewed a lot of information from a lot of sources. I weighted that information according to the strength of the logic or argument behind it. Then I paid my money and took my chances.

If purchase cost was the most important thing to anyone here, we wouldn't be on the Festool forum even talking.

Regards

Derek


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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2017, 08:42 AM »
"I have had a good look at the HK85 in the shop, it looks very decent and the track system/accessories as you all already know, are great, but I could not convince myself that it was constructed to the standard I would expect for the money and I have put my money down for the Mafell KSS80. I feel it will be a notch higher but I will freely admit that, delivered to Australia, it has cost significantly more so you would expect so. It also has a couple of mm of extra cut depth (3.5 to be exact) which, while not a deal breaker, is very useful for my circumstances." 

Quote from Yxoc.

Congratulations!  I'm sure you've made a wise choice.  That particular company is well renowned for their saws, and the KSS80, whilst a heavy beast, is probably one of their best.  Mafell is regarded by many as the world's premiere construction tool manufacturer, their particular specialty being saws.  They share the same guiderail system with Bobbie Bosch:  whilst Festo/ol's rails are good too, they are agonisingly frustrating to join together with any semblance of straightness.  The Mafell/Bosch guiderails   align perfectly first time; simply, intuitively & automatically by contrast.  It must be expensive, 'though.  The best often is.

Just don't drop the bloody thing from the top plate of your latest construction job!  No saw would likely survive that sort of treatment.  It will be (at a cool grand or so) just too damned expensive to damage!

I look forward to your review.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2017, 08:53 AM by aloysius »
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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2017, 01:23 PM »
"I have had a good look at the HK85 in the shop, it looks very decent and the track system/accessories as you all already know, are great, but I could not convince myself that it was constructed to the standard I would expect for the money and I have put my money down for the Mafell KSS80. I feel it will be a notch higher but I will freely admit that, delivered to Australia, it has cost significantly more so you would expect so. It also has a couple of mm of extra cut depth (3.5 to be exact) which, while not a deal breaker, is very useful for my circumstances." 

Quote from Yxoc.

Congratulations!  I'm sure you've made a wise choice.  That particular company is well renowned for their saws, and the KSS80, whilst a heavy beast, is probably one of their best.  Mafell is regarded by many as the world's premiere construction tool manufacturer, their particular specialty being saws.  They share the same guiderail system with Bobbie Bosch:  whilst Festo/ol's rails are good too, they are agonisingly frustrating to join together with any semblance of straightness.  The Mafell/Bosch guiderails   align perfectly first time; simply, intuitively & automatically by contrast.  It must be expensive, 'though.  The best often is.

Just don't drop the bloody thing from the top plate of your latest construction job!  No saw would likely survive that sort of treatment.  It will be (at a cool grand or so) just too damned expensive to damage!

I look forward to your review.


I also know many who refuse to use festool tracks due to how madly they join . The Bosch ones are far far superior . The makita ones also work better with  a Festool plunge

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2017, 02:26 AM »
A track saw was very low on my personal list of "needs".   
I did, however, plan to someday buy the Mafell because it's so bada..erm...neato looking.
I like the AVE videos.   They're entertaining.   After the AVE video about the TS55,
I finally went ahead and bought a TS55, just because.   

It cuts sheet goods just fine.

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2017, 03:49 AM »
So just out of curiosity, does anyone know for a fact that the maffel doesn't have that bushing that's supposed to be ludicrous?


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I dunno, but I hate to fix it when it isn' broken... So I am reticent to pull it apart.
It does feel solid, but feelings are often not a great indicator.

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2017, 04:03 AM »
I got the ts55 about 3 years ago, its my most used tool in the shop. Ive cut , foam boards, ply, soft hard woods, sheet metal, alum and carbon fiber on the same blade even. it took a beating and performs just as new.
When youre feeling depressed just treat yourself to a systainer even if its a mini systainer its ok.

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2017, 01:17 PM »
I never ever trust any of the "Paid for" Festool reviews .Far too many seem to be the type that would use festool toilet paper if they got paid . No Matter how good they are .I expect to see a real Pro pick tools that do the best job rather than  a "one brand work shop" .
Its obvious what are the top festool items are .And I agree with a few and own them.  . But the rest .....!

the name dave stanton comes to mind. I feel his videos do more harm than good, theu give potential customers unreasonable expectations of the tools resulting in them bieng dissapointed and the. returning the tools

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« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2017, 02:01 PM »
I never ever trust any of the "Paid for" Festool reviews .Far too many seem to be the type that would use festool toilet paper if they got paid . No Matter how good they are .I expect to see a real Pro pick tools that do the best job rather than  a "one brand work shop" .
Its obvious what are the top festool items are .And I agree with a few and own them.  . But the rest .....!

the name dave stanton comes to mind. I feel his videos do more harm than good, theu give potential customers unreasonable expectations of the tools resulting in them bieng dissapointed and the. returning the tools

That is quite a strong opinion.  I am not aware of any "Paid For" individuals here.  Does Festool sometimes send out tools to individuals to test?  Yes.  But usually they have to return the tools afterward.  If a poster does a review and the tool or other consideration is granted to them for that review we do try to ensure that that disclosure is made in the posts or in the video.

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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2017, 07:40 PM »
To be fair he said, "I feel", so it is his perception... Rather than a statement of fact.

I cannot fault him for having his feelings or sharing them.
It is entirely possible that the feedback could also be taken in a constructive manner, so it does not seem like it is overly negative.

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« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2017, 08:19 PM »
im not hating on the guy he seems  quite a personable chap and i enjoy his videos. Its just tedious when  paid festool reviewers give a biased review only listing positive points and no negeatave ones.  im all about honesty and saying it how it is.

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« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2017, 08:31 PM »
just take the vids for what it is, just dont believe any of it and go buy the tool yourself and try for 30 days.
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« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2017, 01:42 AM »
just take the vids for what it is, just dont believe any of it and go buy the tool yourself and try for 30 days.

"Don't believe any of it" can apply equally to the positive and negative.
I like AVE's videos in general, and he is not paid to do tear downs. If he us showing a plain bearing it is likely that is factual.

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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2017, 04:15 AM »
your missing my point entirely. My issue is that festool are clearly sorting out certain imdividuals to make marketing videos which I dont feel are entyrly honest, as a result I feel tjat they are then giving potential buyers of said tools unrealistinc expectations of the said tools.  I think that these videos can do more harm than good.


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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2017, 05:13 AM »
...My issue is that festool are clearly sorting out certain imdividuals to make marketing videos which I dont feel are entyrly honest...

What about Marketing in our world is "entirely honest"?
I don't mean to tease you, but I think today, we all have to be aware of the way that things are marketed to us. And I don't expect festool to act any different than the other companies, since they too have to make a living and need to sell.
If they would tell you, "we use cheap parts here and there to help our margins and there are also good tools from these other vendors out there..." they would be failing their job. [dead horse]

In my opinion it all comes down to the customer, as it always has. If we as customers are not well informed, we can be blinded by any feature or tagline.
To me, every tool is a compromise. I know there are lots of other vendors out there making good tools. I'm choosing festool as my option quite often, since I am "locked in" to their system. But this system is also one of the biggest points, why I went for them in the first place.
*rant off* ;)

If you just need a track saw, there are plenty of options to choose from for less or more money.
If you want something that works with the superb festool tracks, the MFT and all the nice accessories, then you might find value in the TS series...  [2cents]

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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2017, 06:15 AM »
like i said, if you feel youre on the defense about their marketing then just stop watching festool review vids.  protect yourself and assume ALL vids online are fake and go buy one and experience yourself. its a win win for you.
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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2017, 06:50 AM »
your missing my point entirely...

I got it.

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« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2017, 07:17 AM »
The video in question was done by Ave the entertainer and is quite funny, anyone watching them and think they have any valid points about tool construction needs to take another big drink or long huff and take them for what they are, entertainment. The quality of any given tool is not determined by a meathead evaluation but in the long term use by the people in the industry. You don't read about many TS saw failure complaints especially any relating to bushing failures or plastic melting due to improper design. The biggest joke in the video is his inability to understand the situations where a bushing is used vs a bearing, let alone the quality of modern day bushings. If the gentleman in question wants to move up the from entertainer to someone with actual credibility lets see the teardown/test evaluations on the other tracksaws from Dewalt, Makita, Bosch, Fox, Grizzly and oh yes Mafell. If you pick any tool based solely on entertainment videos you have to give your head a serious shake.

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« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2017, 07:34 AM »
The video in question was done by xxxx the entertainer and is quite funny, anyone watching them and think they have any valid points about xxxxxxx needs to take another big drink or long huff and take them for what they are, entertainment. ...
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... If you pick any tool based solely on entertainment videos you have to give your head a serious shake.

John

^this edited version^ could somewhat be applied to promotional videos.  [wink]

seeing a specific tool in action does indeed show what it can do, but it does not show whether it is the only tool that can do it.

And it also does not guarantee whether Joe Bloggs is able to do the same.

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« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2017, 09:53 PM »
Welcome to FOG. Let me get this straight you resent Festool's price structure  but are willing to spend 500 more for a Mafell with no warranty. You don't like their Apple style pricing. The IPhone 7 didn't explode the competition's 7 did. I never thought I would use this term in a FOG post but here it is cognitive dissonance is the feeling I'm getting. If you don't think Festool is worth it, get something else. Several companies sell track saws. I've have and use the TS, OF, and DF. Simply put they're fantastic. The best part is they hook up to my CT and I'm not working in a dust storm.
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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2017, 04:51 PM »
In regards to what i said notice how stanton is ignooring the critisism of the ks60 from what ive summed up that other uses have mentioned. These so called youtube mugs mislead and cause more harm than good to the brand. Ditch them festool and stick to prper marketing not 'back door marketing'

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« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2017, 06:14 PM »
Let's cut out the accusations.

Peter
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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2017, 06:33 PM »
Hi
 Some strong opinions given about reviewers in this thread and to add some balance to the comments.
From the UK - we do not pay reviewers to write reviews - there are guidelines to which we have to adhere to and in this there is no leeway (special circumstances can be catered for but it is very complex)

Any product that is sent to a reviewer has to be returned - they do not keep the product (in the UK I send the kit out for review and it is returned) Recently we had one reviewer who asked for payment and this was refused.

What a reviewer feeds back to their audience is down to their editorial control we do not set the script up

The reviews are done so an end user can make an informed decision - there are many platforms that exist now to get immediate information that form an over view of a products performance.
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« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2017, 07:38 PM »
I don't post much, but did have a conversation with Dave Stanton around transparancy and creative marketing:
Cheers Dibnah

Quote from: Davesbuildtips on September 07, 2015, 08:52 AM
Quote from: dibnah on September 07, 2015, 08:24 AM
Hi Dave,

Interesting reading the first two replies in this thread you have started. But as  I'm in the market for a new saw I thought I would ask..and I hope this does not come across as rude.
Your video demonstration is very well put together and I'm sure you must have a sales background. But I am particularly interested in your affiliation with Festool as its help me make more of an informed choice before I spend my money.
While I find video reviews of this nature very helpful I can't help but feel that there need to be more transparency on the part of the presenter. Don't get me wrong I am not trying to say that you are pulling the wool over my eyes I just want to be made aware of the reasons that have motivated you in to making the broadcast.(sales pitch)
This could well be the subject matter of a new thread  as I think the FOG in general is rather lacking in this. But in the interests of being open and honest I feel that all member of a public forum that is operated under a corporate banner should openly disclose that they have been rewarded or remunerated by the corporation before they contribute to the discussion.

Cheers Dibnah
Dibnah.
I am a retired builder and now work part time in the industry but am not paid by anyone to make my videos. I make the videos in my shed at home on my own, no cameramen, no sound technician, no video editor, no script writer... Just Dave enjoying himself rather than sitting in front of a TV or video game. I dabbled in youtube for a while and one of my videos went viral and now it is an addiction. I make videos about my dog, Festool, my workshop, all of my other tools, my trailer... the list goes on. I love doing it. I have to ask you a question, In my video, is there any deception about the machine or what it is capable of? Is the video informative? Does the video offer more information about the tool (good or bad) than most other videos due to perceived knowledge? Surely these are the questions to focus on. I have always hated being ignorant about things. Once I nut something out I share the knowledge in the best way I know how.
I hope you picked up some useful information freely from my efforts.

Hi Dave Thank you for your reply.
Thanks also for reinforcing my initial perception that you are just a genuine guy sharing his love of the tools in an enthusiastic way. I also take my hat of to you, your presentation was very informative and I have very much enjoyed your channel. Sorry if my post came across to the contrary, I was not trying to portray any deception on your part.
Moreover I find it particularly interesting how a manufacture of power tools motivates their consumers to freely promote their products.
When you think about it, its an incredibly powerful influence to get a person to do something for effectively nothing in return; in your case I admire your charitable spirit.

However I do feel that there are some "man in his shed' type broadcasters out there that do cross the line and go from open and honest review to motivated referral. "Word of mouth" referrals from the friendly "man in his shed" is such a strong positive sales notion, creative marketers are using it to target specific user groups and to the uninitiated potential tool purchaser what might come across as one thing can build false confidence. I also like you dislike being ignorant, and it can be a little demeaning having to question someone like your good self's motivation for doing something. I just feel that there is a responsibility of a broadcaster and manufacture alike to fully disclose when broadcast is and advertisement or not.

Anyhow thanks for listening Dave I hope I haven't lost you but futhermore I am also intrigued, and would value your opinion, on the perception that a relatively high end manufacture of seemingly superior quality tools manages to pull off such a poor effort in an attempt at an end user manual. This effectively forces their consumers to independently source further information hence my introduction to the FOG; which for my part has been very rewarding. However you have got to remember not every user of a tools is happy to whittle away hours of their time on a fan based website in order to obtain information that would make obvious sense to provide at the point of sale. Such is the extent of Festool fan based endorsement that its makes commercial sense to leave users wanting as they will unintentionally have to sift through a barrage of advertisement/ review type information to source better reference material.

Again I am really pleased to hear that your updates are not weighted in any way as I really do  enjoy and appreciate the entertainment that your are freely providing me. Keep up the great work and I apologies in advance if this has in anyway challenged your sincere nature.

I hope this encourages some positive debate

Cheers   Dibnah

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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2017, 12:08 AM »
AvE is entertaining and amusing and he's certainly very knowledgeable, but I've never had a problem with either of my TS-55R saws in almost 4 years of very frequent use, so whatever shortcomings he pointed out I don't really see as a bad thing with the TS. I love this saw and what it does - though I do wish Festool would make a hose connection on the saw that would not point down towards the guide rail as this really bothers me far more than how hot the soldering iron needs to be to melt the plastic the saw is made from...

No single tool company makes the best everything, but at least the Mafell P1cc is in a Systainer if you're 'locked in to the system'.
I don't like joining (Festool) guide rails either. I don't trust it so I'm forever checking them. I'd buy the Mafell/Bosch rails but I'm 'locked in to the system' as well...
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« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2017, 12:41 AM »
I feel that @David Stanton has received some unfair criticism from some here. Sure he might be at times a little too enthusiastic  [smile] but generally he provides excellent information. As to being paid by Festool?  Well  no! But he does work for a Festool Dealer and this is openly shown under his Avitar as - Festool Dealer Affiliate. It not as if this has been hidden from FOG members.

« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 01:25 AM by Untidy Shop »
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« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2017, 04:35 PM »
Let's cut out the accusations.

Peter

where are the "accusations"?  Stop trying to silence users opinionsm

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« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2017, 05:45 PM »
I too enjoy AvE, and funny you should mention, in a recent review of that juicing machine, he made an interesting comment about over building vs properly engineering (or something to that effect). To paraphrase the point he was making, sometimes you over build something when you're not "sure" it'll hold/work, the flip side of that coin is when you do proper engineering calculations and build accordingly. I think a lot of the "problems" he found with the ts55 were cases of something that looked "underbuilt", but the lack of actual user complaints about all of those so called issues lead me to believe that it's not that it's underbuilt, it's simply properly engineered...




AvE is entertaining and amusing and he's certainly very knowledgeable, but I've never had a problem with either of my TS-55R saws in almost 4 years of very frequent use, so whatever shortcomings he pointed out I don't really see as a bad thing with the TS. I love this saw and what it does - though I do wish Festool would make a hose connection on the saw that would not point down towards the guide rail as this really bothers me far more than how hot the soldering iron needs to be to melt the plastic the saw is made from...

No single tool company makes the best everything, but at least the Mafell P1cc is in a Systainer if you're 'locked in to the system'.
I don't like joining (Festool) guide rails either. I don't trust it so I'm forever checking them. I'd buy the Mafell/Bosch rails but I'm 'locked in to the system' as well...



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Re: Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts
« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2017, 06:28 PM »
Let's cut out the accusations.

Peter

where are the "accusations"?  Stop trying to silence users opinionsm


   No one is trying to silence opinions. But in several posts in this thread and in others you have accused and or eluded to an unnamed group of video producers, Dave Stanton, and Festool of making misleading  videos about products and trying to cover up a bias in some fashion.  While Dave's affiliation and others is made quite clear  both on FOG and or in the videos.

   So what's the problem? If you feel that these videos are biased then so be it. But stop trying to make it look like Festool or  someone is compensating or otherwise perking these people AND trying to hide the fact. As Untidy Shop pointed out, the fact that Dave works for a Festool dealer is rather blatantly noted in every post he makes on FOG.

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« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2017, 09:59 PM »
This topic seems to come up every so often. Festool does not pay for reviews. Dave is transparent about his affiliation with a dealer. I'm not sure what else can be asked of him. If people choose not to believe him because he's associated with a dealer, that's their prerogative, but I don't think that he (or Festool) can be accused of anything duplicitous.

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« Reply #52 on: June 30, 2017, 01:15 AM »
Dave Stanton is enthusiastic, but my impression is that he likes the tools and enjoys making the videos.
I also like AVe's videos, and the fellow on here from France with the veneer covered top.

Here are some videos for comparison:

Female version of Dave (enthusiastic):


Female version of Ave (double entrendre humor):



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« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2017, 01:48 AM »
Re second video, @Holmz  's post below. If that is the sort of enthusiasm you think @David Stanton emulates/could emulate, I cannot wait to see him wearing the same sort of safety boots she wears.  [big grin]
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« Reply #54 on: June 30, 2017, 04:07 AM »
watch out fellow festoolians if you dare disagree or voice an opinion that doesnt fall in line with the 'moderators' they will ban you quicker than you can say jack flash! 

Darn Dictators!

I am surprised I have not been banned, but I do not believe that it is helpful to make character judgements on people... Which I usually try to avoid.

Peter was polite is warning you, and maybe a PM would have been a better venue... But there is enough trouble around without Kim or Donald references.

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« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2017, 01:30 PM »
For the record, slimm and then slimmm, was not banned for expressing his opinion or negative opinion about Festool or product reviews. If that was the case probably at least 25% of the posts (guesstimate) of this forum would simply be deleted. This fact is easy to verify by reading the forum.

He was banned for leveling unfounded accusations and disparaging comments at other members of the FOG. And dropping comments (trolling) in posts eluding to some sort of unseemly tool review activities between Festool and (at first) unnamed video reviewers (the reviewers in question are publicly quite clear about any Festool affiliation and how tools were obtained).  When requested to stop or provide additional explanation/ evidence slimm responded by claiming a variety of high handed injustices which are simply untrue. Followed by personal attacks both publicly and privately. As well as an out right refusal to curtail the activity that was brought in to question in the first place.    Simply unacceptable.

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« Reply #56 on: June 30, 2017, 02:29 PM »
I completely stand behind the moderators on this. The idea that the moderators or Festool are banning people for expressing critical opinions is clearly unfounded. The FOG is filled with evidence of this. Negative opinions are fine. Unfounded personal attacks are not. Based on the feedback, many FOGgers agree.

I look forward to moving on to more productive conversations.

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« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2017, 08:19 AM »
I completely agree and thank the moderators.
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2017, 01:42 PM »
My first ever exposure to Festool was probably nearing 10 years ago.

I frequented a car detailing website, detailing was just really starting to gather momentum in the UK at that time, and had a handful of "celebrity" detailers in the community. One day a "celebrity" professional detailer wrote a glowing review of a rotary polisher from a brand virtually nobody had heard of before. It was IIRC a Festool Shinex rotary polisher and was said to cost about £400. At that time the most popular machine was a Makita @ £150, so clearly £400 was considered obscene.

Yet, this review was absolutely glowing, the machine was said to be a game changer and "the best £400 he had ever spent", later it transpired he hadn't spent £400, it was a "long term loan" from Festool where by the better his review, and the more regularly he pushed the virtues of it on the forum, the looooooooooooooonger the term would be...

So not strictly paying for a review, but certainly poor ethical implications from this kind of behaviour.

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« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2017, 01:51 PM »
just take the vids for what it is, just dont believe any of it and go buy the tool yourself and try for 30 days.

"Don't believe any of it" can apply equally to the positive and negative.
I like AVE's videos in general, and he is not paid to do tear downs. If he us showing a plain bearing it is likely that is factual.

I think AVE is an absolute legend. Ok I understand he's made a few mistakes in reviews and might not be the absolute last word in technical expertise and knowledge, but he's got a hundred times the knowledge of most of us and is highly entertaining.

It's a bit like Top Gear/The Grand Tour with Clarkson, Hammond and May - they might not be the best drivers or know the most about cars, but they're pretty good and highly entertaining.

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« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2017, 01:57 PM »
Exactly. Thats why I never listen to anyone spouting about a product they have a "vested interest " in .From a "gift" to been "on the team"  via the company or retailer . I have not seen it on this forum But one or two forums in the UK seem to have a almost zero negative  comments  policy about products  .Might have something to do with the advertising revenue and also the mods etc  getting lovely "gifts"      .

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« Reply #61 on: July 03, 2017, 10:20 AM »
It's a bit like Top Gear/The Grand Tour with Clarkson, Hammond and May - they might not be the best drivers or know the most about cars, but they're pretty good and highly entertaining.
Some argued that they're more entertaining that interested in facts, as Tesla did for example, IIRC.