Author Topic: HKC 55 EB review  (Read 123963 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2015, 06:37 PM »
I have been to the Festool dealership twice during the week but I have been so busy with "catching up" at work as well as picking up warranty repairs (Festool sander... ...grrrr...) and general chit chat about tools and I have totally forgotten about checking up on the blade variation.

I will try to remember the caliper on monday... ...I do think that if Festool labels blades as not recommended and even crossed out there is a reason for that and that reason is most likely the lack of cross compatibility between blades and machines. I hope to be able to help sort out the blade issues but none that I have spoken to so far have been more informed (including Festool employees) than we already are in this thread - so the question marks remain.

ifit: ouch! I have some nicks on my Mafell rail and had to replace the splinter strip due to a colleague doing exactly what you did. After that he doesn't want to borrow my Mafell - and I don't let him. ;)
 
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline amcore

  • Posts: 39
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #61 on: June 27, 2015, 06:57 AM »
I got my HKC 55 Li 5,2 EB-Plus-FSK420 today! WOHOOO, its awesome! but i beliewd that the saw was smaller, its almost the size of a TS55  [huh], well i also have the Makita DHS680 so i think i will be satisfied anyway  [thumbs up]
Festool addicted!

Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #62 on: July 02, 2015, 02:58 AM »
Popped in to the dealership yesterday and confirmed that the HKC 55 blades are indeed thinner and though I am not knowing if the digital caliper was up to scratch it would at least reveal the difference in blade thickness, kerf width excluded.

Standard TS55 W48 blade measured to 1.65mm blade thickness.
Standard HKC 55 blade (supplied with the machine) 1.24mm blade thickness. 

amcore: let us know how you like it after a little while.  :)
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline jonny round boy

  • Posts: 3227
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #63 on: July 02, 2015, 06:50 AM »
Standard TS55 W48 blade measured to 1.65mm blade thickness.
Standard HKC 55 blade (supplied with the machine) 1.24mm blade thickness. 

The offset from the blade arbor to the inside cutting edge (i.e. the edge of the splinter guard) would be: (tooth width minus plate width) divided by 2.

So based on those measurements, the offset on the TS(C) would be (2.2 - 1.65) /2 = 0.275mm;

The offset on the HKC would be (1.8 - 1.24) /2 = 0.28mm.

Therefore, the difference in the offsets is 0.005mm, which is negligible, and probably less than the accuracy of the calipers used (I suspect that the reading of 1.24mm is actually 1.25mm, making the difference zero).


I would propose that the only reason that the HKC blades shouldn't be used on the TS(C) is that the riving knife on the TS(C) would be too thick, and would bind in the cut. I don't see any reason why, if a thinner riving knife was fitted at the same time, they couldn't be used. Though of course I'm sure Festool would not recommend that...
Festoolian since February 2006

TS55R EBQ saw - CTL26 - CTL Mini - OF1400EBQ router - KS120 Kapex SCMS - ETS150/3 sander - RO90 sander - DF500 Domino - PDC18/4 drill - PSC420 jigsaw - OFK500 trimmer

Wish list (in no particular order!): Anything not listed above....

Offline Phil Beckley

  • Festool Employee
  • *
  • Posts: 1500
  • Ask the question, and get the discussion going...
    • youtube - Festool U.K
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #64 on: July 02, 2015, 03:59 PM »

I would propose that the only reason that the HKC blades shouldn't be used on the TS(C) is that the riving knife on the TS(C) would be too thick, and would bind in the cut. I don't see any reason why, if a thinner riving knife was fitted at the same time, they couldn't be used. Though of course I'm sure Festool would not recommend that...
[/quote]

Correct
rg
Phil
Festool U.K Employee | Festool UK Website


Offline Nippychippy

  • Posts: 507
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #65 on: July 02, 2015, 04:18 PM »
Ok my  [2cents] oh this great saw it will do anything any more a cordless skill saw will do its up there as one of my best tools.   but my one gripe with it us it should come with the side fence for the jobs you need to have a bit of a body on that side of the saw

Offline Davej

  • Posts: 630
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2015, 04:22 PM »
Could also be because the thinner plate won't clamp tight to the arbor !
Dave
I dont mind growing old but i refuse to grow up

Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2015, 04:32 PM »
Jonnyroundboy: yes, I would say that it might as well have been 1.25 mm, I did three takes on both blades and got same readings on two out of three readings on the HKC55 blade and same reading on all three on the standard blade. Thanks for doing the maths. It seems like a non issue then. :)

I concur that the riving knife would be the limiting factor  - and I think we established that quite early in the thread - no?
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline ifit

  • Posts: 228
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2015, 04:45 PM »
I used mine for cutting a lot of mdc last week then this week i used it for cutting the bottoms off fire doors and it seemed a bit underpowered so not sure if I have dulled the blade or it is a bit underpowered for fire doors

Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2015, 05:40 PM »
If you were cutting the doors in one go I am sure the machine struggled some. Did you cut in one pass or several?
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline jools

  • Posts: 258
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #70 on: July 02, 2015, 05:41 PM »
@ifit Likely wrong blade choice for ripping. The supplied blade is suitable for coarse cross cutting. Like the ts55 the panther blade will be a better bet for rip cuts. I have however ripped treated framing timbers with the standard blade with ok results. MDF is fairly abrasive on blades so it could have dulled.
@Nippychippy I agree on the the parallel guide being included. £42.12 list price is a bit steep.
Have we a definitive answer on using it on ordinary rails? Does it recut the splinter guard thus affecting your ts55 cut?
It started with one little sander

Offline Nippychippy

  • Posts: 507
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #71 on: July 03, 2015, 04:04 AM »
That's weird @jools  mine didn't

Offline jools

  • Posts: 258
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #72 on: July 03, 2015, 10:16 AM »
It wasn't included in mine, I was agreeing it should be and its an expensive accessory. It's also different (500464) to the fence that fits both the TS55 and TSC55(491467)
It started with one little sander

Offline ifit

  • Posts: 228
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #73 on: July 03, 2015, 05:52 PM »
If you were cutting the doors in one go I am sure the machine struggled some. Did you cut in one pass or several?

1 pass

Offline ifit

  • Posts: 228
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2015, 05:55 PM »
Ive use mine on my ts rails - didn't notice any recut of the splinter edge and it cuts to where i set the rail, I don't know if its exact but must be close and is plenty close enough for site work

Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2015, 02:09 PM »
Ifit: thank you for that. Good to know.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Holmz

  • Posts: 4010
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2015, 05:44 PM »
2nd day in and i was ripping some lengths of mdf with a 45 on my rail, stopped and went to lift the saw out as i would my ts55
I forgot the blade does not retract and I've taken a half circle out of my rail [crying]
Other than that the saw is good

I have found it easier to drop a standard rail on for cross cutting than use the special rail

It is also possible to do that on plunge if the saw is not indexed on the rail.

Offline benwheeler

  • Posts: 164
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #77 on: July 13, 2015, 03:49 AM »
Got a brief hands-on with this bad boy on the weekend. If I was still doing much carpentry, I'd be champing at the bit for it to come out! I'd be surprised if any carpenter/builder/renovater couldn't find a use for it. I don't think the promo vids really show its full capability - even without the rails, it has a number of great improvements over a normal circ saw. Weight is not one of them though..  With the guide rails, the thing would be indispensable for any work such as cutting in a roof. You could do without a drop saw if you had to.

We were told September release for Australia.

P.S. not sure if it's been mentioned, but the thin kerf size is apparently so they could keep the weight down by needing less power and therefore have one battery rather than two.

Offline Tot

  • Posts: 5
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #78 on: July 15, 2015, 07:09 AM »
Some video available:


russian, 4.20 start sawing (35mm dry pine).

Verdict is good saw for cutting (left side of the cut is without chips, and about right side we dont care).
If you need a super good cut quality at both sides it can be use as "Mafell 55 cc style": first crop of ~2 mm (with some materials at reverse direction) and after it cut at full size (50mm).



poland, just closer look.

I think this saw is better, than mafell kss 300/400 (if hkc's accs works for about 5-6+ years or you have C15(18)/BHC).

About kss 80 ec:
same price, mafell cuts better, due to old school engine with variable speed and missing fast stop (*3 times longer stop, than fe), but 8+ kg saw is bad + no systainer.

So at 2015:
mafell jig (p1 cc) >> FE carvex. mafell mt 55 cc > FE tsr 55. FE hkc > mafell 300/400. FE tsc 55 > mafell cordless. Mafell 80+ saws > all, coz fe has nothing (19** year last model hello).

Offline PreferrablyWood

  • Posts: 900
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #79 on: September 01, 2015, 08:14 PM »
Just ordered the HKC plus kit with the 2 batteries the 420 track the 250 track, and the crosscut blade. I have the TS 75 for thicker stock and hardwoods, but it's bulky and heavy for small dimension crosscuts. so I got on board with the HKC. I don't absolutely need the cordless functionality but it can come in handy. As for dust collection I'll just hook it up to my CT midi when working inside, outside work who cares about a little dust.. I'm stoked!
RO 150, 850 HL E Planer rustic head standard head angle fence, MFS 400x2, MFS extensions MFS VB 700 x 1 MFS VB 1000 x 2 . CMS GE, sliding fence, VB and 2x VL extension tables, OF 2200, Accessory Set ZS OF 2200 M,36mm 5m antistatik hose, CMS OF+ CMS TS 75 insert modules. SYS-MFT Fixing-Set,  3.5m sleeved hose, Syslite duo, Sys 4 sort 3 x3, Sys Roll, Sys 1 Box x2 , classic Sys 3-Sort 4, classic Sys 3 Sort 6 x2, Sys Cart x3 Systainer 4 x2  as toolbox with selfmade inserts Systainer 5 as toolbox with insert.
Festool 18V HKC 55 Li 5.2 EB Plus FSK 420,FSK 250, Extra blade for the HKC 55 W32.TI 15, CXS 2.6 Ah version, RO 90 DX, PDC 18/4 plus DC UNI FF depth stop chuck,AD 3/8 square socket holder FF chuck, Centrotec Bits; -->Bit holder and bit selection BHS 65 CE TL 24x, ,Bradpoint DB WOOD CE SET ,Zobo (Forstner) D 15-35 CE-Zobo SET ,Masonary/stone bits DB STONE CE Set,Extender BV 150 CE, Countersink QLS D2-8 CE Hook turner HD D18, end centrotec<--.  TS 75 EBQ, PSC 420, OF 1010, RS 300 EQ, CTL Midi, MFT 3, Parf dogs x2pair +Bench dogs x2pair, FS 1080, FS 1900 .  will get Domino DF 700 XL,  CMS insert BS 120 Belt sander.

Offline wellknownasmax

  • Posts: 9
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #80 on: September 08, 2015, 11:27 AM »
Here are some photos from the HKC55 on my 80cm TS55 Rail. There is no recut on the splinter guard.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2015, 11:33 AM by wellknownasmax »

Offline awil66

  • Posts: 148
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2016, 08:17 PM »
The left side of the kerf remains the same with regard to the saw and the strip, no matter the blade thickness. All increase in kerf thickness is to the right. Unless the teeth are splayed more it wont cut the strip.

Offline rjh

  • Posts: 24
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #82 on: September 09, 2016, 09:17 PM »
Hi. I'm about to invest in a lot of Festool tools to make a http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/building-a-lean-mean-portable-finish-carpentrywoodwork-machine-(shop)/msg475238/?topicseen#msg475238. My thought was to go with the HKC 55 as my one and only tracksaw and then to add TS 75 if work turns more to furniture/cabinetry. This way, I have cordless functionality, compound miter but also plunge-track functionality.
Any words of wisdom?
« Last Edit: September 09, 2016, 09:21 PM by rjh »

Offline Holmz

  • Posts: 4010
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #83 on: September 10, 2016, 01:01 AM »
Hi. I'm about to invest in a lot of Festool tools to make a http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/building-a-lean-mean-portable-finish-carpentrywoodwork-machine-(shop)/msg475238/?topicseen#msg475238. My thought was to go with the HKC 55 as my one and only tracksaw and then to add TS 75 if work turns more to furniture/cabinetry. This way, I have cordless functionality, compound miter but also plunge-track functionality.
Any words of wisdom?

Consider carefully what you will be doing.
e.g.
If you are doing all your work on a roof then the TS75 would be a waste, and if all you work is on sheets then a HKC is probably not ideal.

Offline rjh

  • Posts: 24
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2016, 01:13 AM »
Hi. I'm about to invest in a lot of Festool tools to make a http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/building-a-lean-mean-portable-finish-carpentrywoodwork-machine-(shop)/msg475238/?topicseen#msg475238. My thought was to go with the HKC 55 as my one and only tracksaw and then to add TS 75 if work turns more to furniture/cabinetry. This way, I have cordless functionality, compound miter but also plunge-track functionality.
Any words of wisdom?

Consider carefully what you will be doing.
e.g.
If you are doing all your work on a roof then the TS75 would be a waste, and if all you work is on sheets then a HKC is probably not ideal.

That's just the thing: I'm hoping that the HKC can give me good enough cuts on sheets with an MFT so that I can just use it for a while. TS 75 can be added down the road but right now I need flexibility and the occasional truly cordless application.

Gosh, I just realized that cutting down cabinet face stock is going to be very inefficient with the HKC because of it having only one clean cut side. Repeatedly cutting down smaller stock for face frames and the like will require twice as many cuts and measurements to get nice clean cuts on all edges. So this really is a "Carpentry Saw" with a few finer applications.... oh well.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2016, 01:35 PM by rjh »

Offline Lbob131

  • Posts: 463
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #85 on: September 10, 2016, 02:22 PM »
Festool have an incredible   line  up  off saws  now  on their stall. 

I've started working with a   company that makes  timber trusses  that span  up to  80  feet clear.
6" x 3"s    sided with  plywood  glued and nailed.

I've introduced these guys  to  my old ts55   and they are impressed.
Who said festool  were only used  for kitchens?  Just glad its soiled a bit. Taking it out of the box   all shiny might be a bit embarrassing.   [big grin]

The HKC  85 saw machine is  next on my list.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2016, 06:21 PM by Lbob131 »

Offline Arvid

  • Posts: 82
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #86 on: September 16, 2016, 04:16 PM »
It is a bit of a knuckle cruncher. And I wouldn't describe my hands as very big. Framing houses since my early teenage years i have used every saw under the sun back to the rockwell porter cable days with the grease cup. Too many hours to count behind a circular saw cutting rafters sometimes all day. To try a new grip that won't give me the control I know works best doesn't interest me.  I thought this would be fun for some projects but after an hour of use with knuckles rubbing on the housing (the plunge release lever) felt like I han punched a wall. Great saw performs well, just wish they left more room for a proper grip. Guys without small hands try before you buy. Mine is going back.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2016, 06:50 PM by Arvid »

Offline Michael Kellough

  • Posts: 3942
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #87 on: September 16, 2016, 05:51 PM »
Thanks for the "hands on" review Arvid!

And welcome to the FOG.

Offline Lbob131

  • Posts: 463
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2016, 08:17 AM »
Those Russian guys   didn't mention anything  about  it  crunching knuckels   and they all have big hands. Its difficult to teach ole dogs new tricks.
Surely just a matter of dexterity  and  adaption by the more  skilled among us?  [big grin] [big grin]

The guy in that second video..what an incredible  line up of   fine tools. I've messaged him in Russian and English  to get his opinion on the  "knuckle cruncher" issue.

Also why  would festool  allow the return of a  used  saw  on the word of some one who said its a  "knuckle  cruncher"?
Would any serious pro  not  try out the machine before buying?
« Last Edit: September 17, 2016, 11:13 AM by Lbob131 »

Offline Michael Kellough

  • Posts: 3942
Re: HKC 55 EB review
« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2016, 09:11 AM »
North America is BIG. It's often difficult to find a place within a reasonable driving distance to "try out" a tool. Since UPS will bring it you, and Festool offers a 30 return policy (for any or no reason), just order it and then try it, makes the most sense here,