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Offline Nippychippy

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2015, 03:06 PM »
Thanks Phil great tool.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2015, 03:19 PM »
When are they getting shipped out? i ordered one a couple of weeks ago.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2015, 03:34 PM »
Great videos as usual, Phil. The resident FOG tool porn star.  [poke]
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2015, 04:26 PM »
When are they getting shipped out? i ordered one a couple of weeks ago.

John...

Shipped earlier this week i believe - but check with the dealer for confirmation on arrival
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2015, 04:28 PM »
Great videos as usual, Phil. The resident FOG tool porn star.  [poke]

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Offline jools

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2015, 02:43 AM »
Just ordered mine. Couldn't decide on best size of rail to go for so ordered all three [big grin]. Can see this as a solution to all those times struggling with 4m plus roofing and flooring timbers, trimming battens and chipboard flooring. As @WelshWood stated with this and the carvex hip roofs suddenly got a lot quicker. Time to break out Goss's ready reckoner or finally learn to use the buildcalc app
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2015, 07:50 AM »
I want one now, going to order the red german one.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2015, 12:08 PM »
At least it's available sooner than the Festool  @WarnerConstCo. Guy on the site next to mine was using KSS400 and it was slick. However it does have a cord and depth of cut is 49.9mm (1 15/16) which is just enough for framing although it maintains that depth of cut on the bevel and it's slightly heavier. Why Festool take so long to get stuff over the pond is beyond me. It must be very frustrating for you guys
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2015, 12:41 PM »
Phil, is there any advantage to the cordless TSC55 over the HKC?

Good youtube videos by the way  :)

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2015, 03:22 PM »
Phil, is there any advantage to the cordless TSC55 over the HKC?

Good youtube videos by the way  :)

Hi
 Consideration needs to be given to the application the machine is used for.
The TSC has the same performance as a corded version and is best used on a supported surface for the division of board materials etc.
  The HKC is aimed towards a diffrent sector - construction. So the main area is cutting to length, angles and light weight hence the 18v platform.
  So from the above, two machines and two seperate areas. Using a TSC to cross cut 4x2 on the FS rail is a bit of a balancing act and this is where the HKC comes into its own really. Using the HKC to rip a sheet material down to size is not the main application area.
   The T.S.C is the most used machine i have and the corded T.S.55 rarely comes out now.
   Hope this helps and thanks for the comment on the video
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2015, 03:45 PM »
@Phil Beckley
Thanks for pointing out the different focuses for each product. My first thought was why doesn't the HKC have 2 batteries like the TSC, now I know why & it makes complete sense.  [thumbs up]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2015, 04:13 PM »
If you work mainly with solid timber, your day at work may have you second jumping from 1st fix and then all of sudden you need to do a little bit of first fix, roofs floors etc then the hkc is the on to go for. Now if you do mainly kitchens and work with sheet goods I'd recommend the tsc. Last year when I was on site. Their was some days I would be doing stud partions and the site agent would ask us to go and trim some doors for carpets. A set of facings needed doing for the tilers or half lapd for wall plates needed doing. As I had the cordless kss version I I could do easily jump from one task to the next and go back to what I was meant to be doing. I can't think of a saw system that covers so many tasks as the cross cut system.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2015, 04:35 PM »
@Phil Beckley
Thanks for pointing out the different focuses for each product. My first thought was why doesn't the HKC have 2 batteries like the TSC, now I know why & it makes complete sense.  [thumbs up]

Youre welcome
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2015, 04:35 PM »
If you work mainly with solid timber, your day at work may have you second jumping from 1st fix and then all of sudden you need to do a little bit of first fix, roofs floors etc then the hkc is the on to go for. Now if you do mainly kitchens and work with sheet goods I'd recommend the tsc. Last year when I was on site. Their was some days I would be doing stud partions and the site agent would ask us to go and trim some doors for carpets. A set of facings needed doing for the tilers or half lapd for wall plates needed doing. As I had the cordless kss version I I could do easily jump from one task to the next and go back to what I was meant to be doing. I can't think of a saw system that covers so many tasks as the cross cut system.

Perfect pro example  [smile]
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2015, 04:56 PM »
I've just watched the videos and am liking the look of this tool a lot

A cordless saw wasn't on my list for this year

But then again neither was the 18v drill or the 2 centrotec  kits lol

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Offline RL

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2015, 05:07 PM »
Thanks Phil for the explanation.

Offline Nippychippy

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2015, 05:44 PM »
Yep mine is ordered  [scared] cant  wait for it ,it would be handy having it this joist and chipboard flooring to be done

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2015, 11:57 PM »
Phil - it looks like in the video that this saw clips onto a standard guide rail - is that the case or was I not seeing that correctly? You had a standard guide rail positioned at an angle facing the camera and it looked like you slid the saw on and off the rail.

Thanks

Offline jools

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« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2015, 03:00 AM »
@ScotF it has its own rails in 250mm, 420mm and 670mm lengths that the saw clicks into. The rails house a return system that brings the rail back to the start point when you finish the cut and lift the saw and rail. Under the rail are two stops that butt against the edge of the timber. One of these stops is adjustable to allow angle cuts and a scale for these from -45 degrees to plus 60degrees runs down the left hand side. The saw will run on a normal rail but that defeats the main focus of this saw which is to cut framing timbers, flooring etc to length without clamping a rail. I can't wait for mine as I have a stick built extension and roof to build. It negates putting long heavy timbers onto a chop saw
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #49 on: June 05, 2015, 03:17 AM »
Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #50 on: June 05, 2015, 04:00 AM »
Phil - it looks like in the video that this saw clips onto a standard guide rail - is that the case or was I not seeing that correctly? You had a standard guide rail positioned at an angle facing the camera and it looked like you slid the saw on and off the rail.

Thanks

Hey Scott
  The H.K.C will not clip on to the F.S guide rail. The video was done this way to show that it can fit as the pendulum cover will need to slide back as the saw is fitted.
   The second way is to set the saw to zero and use the lever to move the pendulum cover back - this is used when the plunge function is used.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #51 on: June 05, 2015, 04:05 AM »
Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category

Hi
 The industry has moved on a bit - with the Brushless motor and 18v battery this provides very good power and the blade at 1.8 kerf eliminates any flexing. Correct tooth pitch is of course a benefit also. The 55mm cut off the rail is for the 50mm section timber in construction.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2015, 04:25 AM »
It also gives enough depth when cutting hip or valley compound cuts. As to duration of battery life I wonder how many metres of cutting your doing a day? The average cut length is going to be under 200mm. In linear terms it's not very many metres. I have the PDC, BHC, DWC and Carvex so battery's being available is not a problem for me. It's not delivered yet but I will post a review as soon as,as will other members no doubt. If it's not up to snuff I'm not Festool blinkered and will tell it as it is. All my festools earn van space and I am yet to be disappointed in ones performance yet. If it's no good I can always return it or sell it. But if it saves me 10% of my time, removes unsafe extensions from scaffold and floors and cuts more safely and accurately than a skill saw its paid for in short time
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2015, 05:39 AM »
Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category

Hi
 The industry has moved on a bit - with the Brushless motor and 18v battery this provides very good power and the blade at 1.8 kerf eliminates any flexing. Correct tooth pitch is of course a benefit also. The 55mm cut off the rail is for the 50mm section timber in construction.
rg
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I agree it has moved on a bit but it cannot change physics, also a 36V 3.3ah battery is about 25% more powerfull that an 18V 5.2 battery.
I would be interested is seeing the results of it cutting some C17 rated 45mm thick floor joist or some A rated Douglas Fir.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2015, 06:09 AM »
Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category

Hi
 The industry has moved on a bit - with the Brushless motor and 18v battery this provides very good power and the blade at 1.8 kerf eliminates any flexing. Correct tooth pitch is of course a benefit also. The 55mm cut off the rail is for the 50mm section timber in construction.
rg
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I agree it has moved on a bit but it cannot change physics, also a 36V 3.3ah battery is about 25% more powerfull that an 18V 5.2 battery.
I would be interested is seeing the results of it cutting some C17 rated 45mm thick floor joist or some A rated Douglas Fir.

Hi
 Some results from Ridgeons studs 44mm at 90 degree and also angle cut.
rg
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2015, 08:13 AM »
I cant really see there being much of a power issue with the 18v battery.

Up till now i use my makita 18v lxt trim saw to cut both pressure treated and untreated timbers up to 8 x2 without problems. That isnt brushless either. Plus there have been plenty of times i have ripped tanalised timbers and various hardwoods  with the makita. While i realise i probably push the saw beyond its limits  [big grin]

I cannot see the festool being any different.  [smile]
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #56 on: June 05, 2015, 09:21 AM »
The most important question, from my perspective, is: WHEN WILL THIS BE AVAILABLE IN NA?  [big grin]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #57 on: June 05, 2015, 09:57 AM »
The most important question, from my perspective, is: WHEN WILL THIS BE AVAILABLE IN NA?  [big grin]

Well, it's taken over a year to get the TSC55.  I could see this taking even longer if it sells well.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #58 on: June 05, 2015, 12:39 PM »
I'm interested in seeing how this saw performs with 5.2 amp batteries. the run time on my metabo is unbelievable at 5.2amps, and delivers 90nm of max torque. I like lots of power on a saw though so I would have thought they would go 36v. BTW metabo boasts their upcoming 36v LiHD batteries will match the output of a corded 2200w motor.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #59 on: June 05, 2015, 02:16 PM »
I have the 36v Hilti Li-ion saw and i would not swap it for any other cordless saw...Its used mainly for roofs as it has a 70mm cutting depth, the standard 50mm cutting depth of other saws will not cut hips or valleys on 50mm timber..(or have the power)
  Im still getting the HKC 55 as it will still be very useful on roofs and other things.. (I sold my TSC55 and I'm selling my 22v Hilti) which I'm hoping the HKC will replace..
  Still got my Mafell MT55 though  [big grin]

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