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Offline demographic

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2015, 02:17 PM »
I agree it has moved on a bit but it cannot change physics, also a 36V 3.3ah battery is about 25% more powerfull that an 18V 5.2 battery.
I would be interested is seeing the results of it cutting some C17 rated 45mm thick floor joist or some A rated Douglas Fir.

Not sure it will have any problems with that bit as I've recently been using another workmates 18 volt Makita circular saw to cut 145x45mm timber.  Absolutely no problems with it.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2015, 03:53 PM »
Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category

The 36v hilti is a fantastic saw for 1st fix and roofing, never had a blade buckle yet in over 8 years of daily use, 1 battery usually lasts me all day

If festool made a 75mm 36v I would buy one

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2015, 04:38 PM »
Phil - it looks like in the video that this saw clips onto a standard guide rail - is that the case or was I not seeing that correctly? You had a standard guide rail positioned at an angle facing the camera and it looked like you slid the saw on and off the rail.

Thanks

Hey Scott
  The H.K.C will not clip on to the F.S guide rail. The video was done this way to show that it can fit as the pendulum cover will need to slide back as the saw is fitted.
   The second way is to set the saw to zero and use the lever to move the pendulum cover back - this is used when the plunge function is used.
rg
Phil

that makes sense - thanks for the reply. Do you have any video of it ripping? Also, can you show a picture of the bottom of the shoe?  Does it have the same guide rail adjustment that the TS 55 has?

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #63 on: June 05, 2015, 04:51 PM »
@ScotF  Check out the video I posted earlier in this tread.  The video shows the HKC on a regular guide rail ripping and shows it has the same guide rail adjustment gibs as the TS saws.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2015, 04:54 PM »
Phil - it looks like in the video that this saw clips onto a standard guide rail - is that the case or was I not seeing that correctly? You had a standard guide rail positioned at an angle facing the camera and it looked like you slid the saw on and off the rail.

Thanks

Hey Scott
  The H.K.C will not clip on to the F.S guide rail. The video was done this way to show that it can fit as the pendulum cover will need to slide back as the saw is fitted.
   The second way is to set the saw to zero and use the lever to move the pendulum cover back - this is used when the plunge function is used.
rg
Phil

that makes sense - thanks for the reply. Do you have any video of it ripping? Also, can you show a picture of the bottom of the shoe?  Does it have the same guide rail adjustment that the TS 55 has?

Hi
 The HKC has the same adjustment to the rail as the T.S. will post some images on Monday.
No video of it ripping as we focus on the main application but i will sort some images when in the training room Monday.
rg
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.....or see the other video for this.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #65 on: June 05, 2015, 05:27 PM »
One reason I decided to go with the corded Mafell version instead of the HKC was the rather weak looking rip capabilities that the "Mike's Tool Show" video seemed to demonstrate.  This type of saw allows for some real flexibility/versatility, and that is what sold me on the concept.  Making it cordless adds some advantages, and gives up some too. 

As I see it this type of saw in a corded version shares much of the same capabilities as a regular circular saw, track saw, miter saw, radial arm saw and table saw.  This gives it tremendous versatility across a pretty broad spectrum of different types of work.  As Phil already mentioned, the HKC is more crosscut focused.  My thoughts are the HKC, as is, loses some of the versatility being an 18v cordless system.  Reports seem to say the TSC55 can eat batteries, and it uses two.  What can the HKC do with one?     

I'm not sure I'd be ever be truly happy with the one 18v battery of the HKC.  I haven't used the tool so I'm certainly not seeking from experience.  We'll see pretty soon as these make their way to the hands of real world users.       
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #66 on: June 09, 2015, 02:10 AM »
A quick question for Phil, or anyone else who has actually used one... when the HKC is used on a normal FS track, does it work with the same spacing to the anti-splinter strip as the TS/TSC?.. i.e. can I use existing FS tracks, or should I have one dedicated to the HKC?
I've had one on order for what seems like forever!.. really can't wait to get my hands on this.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2015, 03:21 AM »
A quick question for Phil, or anyone else who has actually used one... when the HKC is used on a normal FS track, does it work with the same spacing to the anti-splinter strip as the TS/TSC?.. i.e. can I use existing FS tracks, or should I have one dedicated to the HKC?
I've had one on order for what seems like forever!.. really can't wait to get my hands on this.

Hi
 The distance will be wider as the blade on the H.K.C is 1.8mm. The T.S is 2.2mm
Hope this helps
rg
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Offline neeleman

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #68 on: June 09, 2015, 04:11 AM »
I'm not sure if I'm right.
But when the motor side of the blade on both saws is the same then there is no difference when using the saws on the same FS track .
The difference of the blade thickness (0.4 mm) is only at the right side and the splinter guard is not changed.

I expect that Festool has designed the HKC this way, otherwise you could not use it on the same FS track as the normal TS saw.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2015, 04:19 AM »
Of course, I'm aware it is a thin kerf blade, hence my question.

I'm inclined to think like Neeleman on this... but Phil, if you are right, Festool have made a 'big' mistake here. It's not really rocket science to make sure they line up OK, i.e. track to motor side of blade.

I guess I'll have to wait and see... can't wait!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2015, 04:23 AM »
I'm not sure if I'm right.
But when the motor side of the blade on both saws is the same then there is no difference when using the saws on the same FS track .
The difference of the blade thickness (0.4 mm) is only at the right side and the splinter guard is not changed.

I expect that Festool has designed the HKC this way, otherwise you could not use it on the same FS track as the normal TS saw.

Good point!
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2015, 04:24 AM »
The new HKC saw was first to be released today in Germany.
My favourite web-shop Gerschwitz emailed me that it has been delayed to the beginning of August.
And I assume it the same for the rest of Europe.

GRRRRRRRRRR, I'm not happy with that.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #72 on: June 09, 2015, 05:04 AM »
Oh no I hope not!.. August is a long wait!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #73 on: June 09, 2015, 05:21 AM »
I was told the same the end of July which is no use to me I was told a few of the bigger shops have it

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #74 on: June 09, 2015, 05:33 AM »
I see there are some shops that have it in stock (according to their site of course!) I might cancel and re-order if I don't have to wait a couple of months. FSK track will be here in a few days as I ordered from different places to make use of promo codes I had!.. no use to me on it's own!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #75 on: June 09, 2015, 05:42 AM »
Please show me the shops that have the HKC on stock and can deliver them within a few days.
Because I doubt that.

Many web-shops confuse "On stock" with "Available" so that the customer will order.
If they really have the saw I have no problems ordering it from the UK or France.
I'm after a Basic version, so without the charger and batteries.

Strange thing is that the new FSK rails and bags are available in Europe yet?
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #76 on: June 09, 2015, 06:57 AM »
Are the Mafell and Festool rails interchangeable?

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #77 on: June 09, 2015, 07:02 AM »
I don't think so.
Remember the first Domino DF 500 with pin style had to be changed because of interfering with a Mafell patent of the DD40 DuoDoweller. So Mafell will not allow the track to be copied.

And I think the Festool FSK version is better because the saw is pulled back automatically with a spring.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #78 on: June 09, 2015, 07:11 AM »
Please show me the shops that have the HKC on stock and can deliver them within a few days.
Because I doubt that.

Many web-shops confuse "On stock" with "Available" so that the customer will order.
If they really have the saw I have no problems ordering it from the UK or France.
I'm after a Basic version, so without the charger and batteries.

Strange thing is that the new FSK rails and bags are available in Europe yet?

I'm waiting to hear back from my supplier to see when they expect delivery. Also, I have contacted the shop claiming delivery by the 12th, so in 3 days, to see if it is really in stock. If I get some good news I will let you know!

I also have gone for basic version, and ordered seperate 2,6Ah for my DWC18, so will use the 5,2Ah batts for the HKC.

Offline aas

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2015, 08:05 AM »
So no good news... mine will not be before 31st July according to Festool France.

All other suppliers are giving the same story.

Rhetorical question for Festool... did you not realise that if you release a product in June, that people might want to actually buy and receive the product in June? It has been several months we have been waiting for the 'release' date, I hope you weren't too surprised that the month of June came in the usual order before July and August this year!

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Offline Kev

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #80 on: June 09, 2015, 08:12 AM »
After having an 18V lithium Hitachi circular saw that wouldn't cut your toe nails, I'll be waiting to try this one "hands on".


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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2015, 08:25 AM »
ReallY? I thought Hitachi were good.

I have an 18v Makita, using 8yr old 3,0Ah batts, it's fantastic. I also just recently sold my Makita 14,4v 136mm circ saw - I used it every day, totally abused it. I don't know about toe nails, it would cut my toes off along with the ends of my work boots!

The thing that concerns me about the HKC55, is that the TS55 is woefully underpowered. I'm working on the basis that most of the time it will be used as an HKC18  [big grin]... and at some point I'll get a powerful saw to replace the TS55.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2015, 08:47 AM »
There could be an interesting insight in Festool thinking in regard to the blade offset on the HKC. The track to blade edge could be made the same as this would be a great convenience to the customer (not having to change edge strips when going between saws). The blade onset could be made different which could allow Festool to seek more guide rails  (much less hassle to buy a new rail rather than replacing guide strips).

Since this is supposed to be more of a cross cut saw, Festool may not be so concerned about having the same guide rails be used for the HKC and other saws.

My math indicates that ripping a 3/4 in by 8 ft strip of plywood would be about the same amount of wood as cross cutting 8-9 2x6s. Of course different wood densities, blade teeth etc could make a big difference. It will be interesting to see how real world tests work out for ripping and cross cutting between various cordless saws.

The delay could be because Festool figured out why the TSC55 is eating batteries and now must change the HKC so it does not do the same. On the other hand, they may have been surprised by the demand for the HKC and what to have a bigger stock on hand before they start selling. This latter point does not make a lot of sense, but who knows.
 

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #83 on: June 09, 2015, 09:34 AM »
Just found out that that they can't actually make the hkc fast enough to meet demand,Festool have been caught out with the popularity of this saw and there have been a lot of big orders put in around Europe. They factory can only make about 24 units a day that's the joys of it been made in Europe. I just hope that they aren't just chucking them out the door or this forum will be a pain when everybody gets there's [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #84 on: June 09, 2015, 10:00 AM »
FFX have not received stock as of today. Been told latter end of this week/ early next week. This is worse than waiting for Christmas  [sad]
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #85 on: June 09, 2015, 10:56 AM »
I got a message from my dealer about the hkc when i ask him about the delay!

We can now announce that the battery circular saw HKC 55 has started to be delivered . Delivery takes place chronologically after the order date and you who have pre-ordered HKC 55 and supplies will therefore get your deliveries in the near future . If you have not pre-ordered - place your order today! We see great interest from our customers and hope and believe that this product can be a new success story for Festool and for you as a reseller !

i dont know if this is for the europe or only skandinavia?
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #86 on: June 09, 2015, 12:29 PM »
I have just had the FSK track and parallel guide  delivered today, not much use if i don't have the saw... [mad]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #87 on: June 09, 2015, 12:38 PM »
ReallY? I thought Hitachi were good.

I have an 18v Makita, using 8yr old 3,0Ah batts, it's fantastic. I also just recently sold my Makita 14,4v 136mm circ saw - I used it every day, totally abused it. I don't know about toe nails, it would cut my toes off along with the ends of my work boots!

The thing that concerns me about the HKC55, is that the TS55 is woefully underpowered. I'm working on the basis that most of the time it will be used as an HKC18  [big grin]... and at some point I'll get a powerful saw to replace the TS55.

Some Hitachi tools are and were good ... there's just a few lemons in the range ... their 18V circular saw is one of them. I've still got 2 of their old circular saws ~20 years and their solid and reliable - worth of good quality blades!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #88 on: June 09, 2015, 02:29 PM »
Obviously I've not seen the festool version but surely the left hand side of the blade that touches the splinter guard is the same distance to the grooves on the rails be it the hkc or the TS saws. Fair enough the right hand side being different as different kerf width. Just a thought

Offline aas

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #89 on: June 10, 2015, 10:59 AM »
Obviously I've not seen the festool version but surely the left hand side of the blade that touches the splinter guard is the same distance to the grooves on the rails be it the hkc or the TS saws. Fair enough the right hand side being different as different kerf width. Just a thought

I'd like to get the same one as you, but too much for the amount I think I'll be using it.

I switched my order from one of the French dealers I use to FFX as all the French dealers were quoting August delivery. I have already received the notification email to say my HKC has shipped and I have tracking info... so it looks like for the UK buyers, if theirs have also shipped today, then they might be arriving tomorrow!