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Offline Nippychippy

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Hkc 55
« on: June 02, 2015, 12:02 PM »
Well today was interesting out of the blue my Festool rep rings me to tell me he got his demo hkc55 and would I like a shot  [tongue] so I dropped everything I was doing to get a shot and I wish I didn't because I have just seen the FUTURE and I am going to have to get it now. It's a skil saw and a guide saw. Free hand is amazing it has a lever close to the handle to bring up the blade guard instead of haven  to reach over with your other hand to move it. And on the track it will save so much time it has positive locks for angles with will be great for laminated flooring and roofing. This is going to be Festool best seller everyone needs a try of one   [big grin]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2015, 12:05 PM »
Some photos

Offline ali

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2015, 12:15 PM »
What length guide rails do you think are most useful?

I really like the ability to do short cross cuts on it

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2015, 12:33 PM »
I think 250,400,700 and it fits on the standard track also

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2015, 12:35 PM »
I would probably get the 400 and 700. The 400 for  first fix and 700 for chipboard flooring

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2015, 12:47 PM »
I can see me buying this to do hip roofing.. The HKC55 and Cordless Carvex could see me do a roof in possibly half the time (yes, I genuinely think it will be that much quicker)

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2015, 01:23 PM »
The whole system is the most universal saw system thier is as far as I'm concerned. I've being using the mafell system for over 3 years now and to me it is the one saw I wouldnt give up for anything.  Being able to lift the saw guard sound a nice feature on the festool version. I would strongly recommend people to try the system and people who already invested well in the festool system of rails then the festool hkc is a well worth investment. The 400 rail is ideal for first fix and you will find that if you have the adjustable stop set at 60 degrees then 400 track is needed for the cut length on timbers 200mm wide. I also have the 770 track for the mafell and use for chipboard flooring all the time, so to get the 700 track for the festool especially when doing chipboard flooring. For doing roofs it is a great system.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2015, 02:07 PM »
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2015, 02:21 PM »
I can see me buying this to do hip roofing.. The HKC55 and Cordless Carvex could see me do a roof in possibly half the time (yes, I genuinely think it will be that much quicker)

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That's what was think to and no cables getting snagged

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2015, 02:24 PM »
What's up with that rail?

Basically the saw slides into the track and hooks onto it so it attached to it. It's got two stops underneath the one on the right is fixed and acts as a pivot point the left one is the one you adjust for the angles

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2015, 02:28 PM »
And when you are done with a a cut, the saw will use friction to bring it tomorrow the back of the rail. It is very slick. I saw the promo video a month or so back.

Can't wait for this to make its way into the U.S!

Jealous Nippy. Glad you got to test it.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2015, 02:51 PM »
Cheers man I was chuffed to get a shot I should of made a vid I was to excited hopefully the U.S. And Canada get it soon as well. I don't see how it be an issue

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2015, 03:07 PM »
As Wrightwoodwork states, these types of saws are revolutionary. Mafell has been selling them for years in NA and there are several other FOG members that own and operate them. It looks like the Festool version has some improvements, but is battery only. I think this would be great if they offered a Plug-it version too. Extremely versatile tool, though.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2015, 03:23 PM »
As Wrightwoodwork states, these types of saws are revolutionary. Mafell has been selling them for years in NA and there are several other FOG members that own and operate them. It looks like the Festool version has some improvements, but is battery only. I think this would be great if they offered a Plug-it version too. Extremely versatile tool, though.

I just bought the Mafell corded (mains) version and I'm pretty excited with the possibilities of this type of tool.  If this catches on I'm sure there will be a corded version (I just didn't want to wait the 5 years it would take to make it N. America [tongue]). 
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2015, 03:26 PM »
What's up with that rail?

Check out this video neeleman found last week.  It's in German but you'll get the idea.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2015, 03:31 PM »
I watched a couple videos of the Mafell KSS300/KSS400, but it was this one in particular: where I said "wow, I want one, that is absolutely amazing".  I would have to assume Festool's version can do everything Mafell's can, given they've had the opportunity to copy and learn on what to improve.





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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2015, 03:32 PM »
Festool TV also published 3 videos today about the new HKC: No 54+55+56.




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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2015, 03:40 PM »
It is nice to incorporate some of the accessories Festool already has available into this saw. And, it adjusts for rail slop on the rail, which is nice. I think that this is a winner and hopefully it will be brought to NA at some point.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2015, 08:58 PM »
If i cant get this i am buying the mafell.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2015, 09:08 PM »
If i cant get this i am buying the mafell.

I have a feeling you may get one of these.  Still, I think a corded version would serve you much better.  I can't see a corded version in the near future in Europe, and who know how long it would take to make its way to the States if Festool decided to make it...   
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2015, 10:02 PM »
If i cant get this i am buying the mafell.

I have a feeling you may get one of these.  Still, I think a corded version would serve you much better.  I can't see a corded version in the near future in Europe, and who know how long it would take to make its way to the States if Festool decided to make it...

If power and run time is good, cordless should be fine, but there is something to be said about an actual corded tool as well.

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Hkc 55
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2015, 10:13 PM »
I was thinking of "importing" this puppy for a good pal who love my festool stuff but can't afford it.

I think the track might be the more difficult part.

Plus I want to use it when I need that type of tool!!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2015, 10:20 PM »
If power and run time is good, cordless should be fine, but there is something to be said about an actual corded tool as well.

The issue I see is that it is one 18v battery.  Imagine cutting 2xs for framing, how long is that battery going to last?
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2015, 12:49 AM »
Mafell has a cordless KSS400 and Wrightwoodwork has one - it has good run time, but is 36v. I have Mafell's bigger KSS80 and it is one awesome saw...can almost cut 4x material - just 1/32nd shy.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2015, 12:58 AM »
The issue I see is that it is one 18v battery.  Imagine cutting 2xs for framing, how long is that battery going to last?

the catalog says it takes 2 batteries at the same time so that you can use it at 18 or 36 v
and those are the same batteries as the new 18v drills

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2015, 01:34 AM »
This only uses  one battery at a time  what they have done with this saw is they have made the kerf on the blade smaller not sure of size but it's all down to battery life

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2015, 02:18 AM »
This only uses  one battery at a time  what they have done with this saw is they have made the kerf on the blade smaller not sure of size but it's all down to battery life

Cordless saws should always have a smaller kerf blade for this reason anyways, not just the Festool.

Have used the Hilti cordless circular saw to cut roofing before, I had 3 batteries on the go and never had to wait for at least one to be fully charged. Cordless saws these days are more than capable of cutting 2x? material.

Bonus of the Festool is that it works on a guide rail, so the accuracy would be just as good as a corded saw in theory.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2015, 05:18 AM »
Since getting my cordless saw I have hardly touched the corded version of my saw. Depending on what I'm doing I can almost get a full day out of the one battery. The narrow kerf blades make a huge difference. I think does right in making it cordless as I know that in the uk thier can be a lack of power on sites also if up on a roof a trailing cable can be a hazard. My only reservation about it is only being 18v for the likes of rip cuts and compound cuts. Then the extra oomph of a 36v batteries might be desired. For cross cuts I can't see an issue with only being 18v. Last year on site their was a boy who had got a new ts55 and when I bought out the kss400 and was wondering how he could get it to work on cross cut track

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2015, 01:49 PM »
I can see me buying this to do hip roofing.. The HKC55 and Cordless Carvex could see me do a roof in possibly half the time (yes, I genuinely think it will be that much quicker)

~WW

I'm not so sure, Its max depth of cut is 55 mm at full depth and 38mm at 50 degrees. Lot of the cuts on a hipped roof are on timbers that are about 45-50mm or thereabouts so it might not manage it that well.

Better for valley boards, fascias and soffits but not that much better than a normal cordless saw used in conjunction with a adjustable quick square to guide the base of the saw.
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2015, 01:53 PM »
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2015, 03:06 PM »
Thanks Phil great tool.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2015, 03:19 PM »
When are they getting shipped out? i ordered one a couple of weeks ago.

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« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2015, 03:34 PM »
Great videos as usual, Phil. The resident FOG tool porn star.  [poke]
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2015, 04:26 PM »
When are they getting shipped out? i ordered one a couple of weeks ago.

John...

Shipped earlier this week i believe - but check with the dealer for confirmation on arrival
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« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2015, 04:28 PM »
Great videos as usual, Phil. The resident FOG tool porn star.  [poke]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2015, 02:43 AM »
Just ordered mine. Couldn't decide on best size of rail to go for so ordered all three [big grin]. Can see this as a solution to all those times struggling with 4m plus roofing and flooring timbers, trimming battens and chipboard flooring. As @WelshWood stated with this and the carvex hip roofs suddenly got a lot quicker. Time to break out Goss's ready reckoner or finally learn to use the buildcalc app
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2015, 07:50 AM »
I want one now, going to order the red german one.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2015, 12:08 PM »
At least it's available sooner than the Festool  @WarnerConstCo. Guy on the site next to mine was using KSS400 and it was slick. However it does have a cord and depth of cut is 49.9mm (1 15/16) which is just enough for framing although it maintains that depth of cut on the bevel and it's slightly heavier. Why Festool take so long to get stuff over the pond is beyond me. It must be very frustrating for you guys
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2015, 12:41 PM »
Phil, is there any advantage to the cordless TSC55 over the HKC?

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2015, 03:22 PM »
Phil, is there any advantage to the cordless TSC55 over the HKC?

Good youtube videos by the way  :)

Hi
 Consideration needs to be given to the application the machine is used for.
The TSC has the same performance as a corded version and is best used on a supported surface for the division of board materials etc.
  The HKC is aimed towards a diffrent sector - construction. So the main area is cutting to length, angles and light weight hence the 18v platform.
  So from the above, two machines and two seperate areas. Using a TSC to cross cut 4x2 on the FS rail is a bit of a balancing act and this is where the HKC comes into its own really. Using the HKC to rip a sheet material down to size is not the main application area.
   The T.S.C is the most used machine i have and the corded T.S.55 rarely comes out now.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2015, 03:45 PM »
@Phil Beckley
Thanks for pointing out the different focuses for each product. My first thought was why doesn't the HKC have 2 batteries like the TSC, now I know why & it makes complete sense.  [thumbs up]

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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2015, 04:13 PM »
If you work mainly with solid timber, your day at work may have you second jumping from 1st fix and then all of sudden you need to do a little bit of first fix, roofs floors etc then the hkc is the on to go for. Now if you do mainly kitchens and work with sheet goods I'd recommend the tsc. Last year when I was on site. Their was some days I would be doing stud partions and the site agent would ask us to go and trim some doors for carpets. A set of facings needed doing for the tilers or half lapd for wall plates needed doing. As I had the cordless kss version I I could do easily jump from one task to the next and go back to what I was meant to be doing. I can't think of a saw system that covers so many tasks as the cross cut system.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2015, 04:35 PM »
@Phil Beckley
Thanks for pointing out the different focuses for each product. My first thought was why doesn't the HKC have 2 batteries like the TSC, now I know why & it makes complete sense.  [thumbs up]

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« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2015, 04:35 PM »
If you work mainly with solid timber, your day at work may have you second jumping from 1st fix and then all of sudden you need to do a little bit of first fix, roofs floors etc then the hkc is the on to go for. Now if you do mainly kitchens and work with sheet goods I'd recommend the tsc. Last year when I was on site. Their was some days I would be doing stud partions and the site agent would ask us to go and trim some doors for carpets. A set of facings needed doing for the tilers or half lapd for wall plates needed doing. As I had the cordless kss version I I could do easily jump from one task to the next and go back to what I was meant to be doing. I can't think of a saw system that covers so many tasks as the cross cut system.

Perfect pro example  [smile]
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2015, 04:56 PM »
I've just watched the videos and am liking the look of this tool a lot

A cordless saw wasn't on my list for this year

But then again neither was the 18v drill or the 2 centrotec  kits lol

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« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2015, 05:07 PM »
Thanks Phil for the explanation.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2015, 05:44 PM »
Yep mine is ordered  [scared] cant  wait for it ,it would be handy having it this joist and chipboard flooring to be done

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2015, 11:57 PM »
Phil - it looks like in the video that this saw clips onto a standard guide rail - is that the case or was I not seeing that correctly? You had a standard guide rail positioned at an angle facing the camera and it looked like you slid the saw on and off the rail.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2015, 03:00 AM »
@ScotF it has its own rails in 250mm, 420mm and 670mm lengths that the saw clicks into. The rails house a return system that brings the rail back to the start point when you finish the cut and lift the saw and rail. Under the rail are two stops that butt against the edge of the timber. One of these stops is adjustable to allow angle cuts and a scale for these from -45 degrees to plus 60degrees runs down the left hand side. The saw will run on a normal rail but that defeats the main focus of this saw which is to cut framing timbers, flooring etc to length without clamping a rail. I can't wait for mine as I have a stick built extension and roof to build. It negates putting long heavy timbers onto a chop saw
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #49 on: June 05, 2015, 03:17 AM »
Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #50 on: June 05, 2015, 04:00 AM »
Phil - it looks like in the video that this saw clips onto a standard guide rail - is that the case or was I not seeing that correctly? You had a standard guide rail positioned at an angle facing the camera and it looked like you slid the saw on and off the rail.

Thanks

Hey Scott
  The H.K.C will not clip on to the F.S guide rail. The video was done this way to show that it can fit as the pendulum cover will need to slide back as the saw is fitted.
   The second way is to set the saw to zero and use the lever to move the pendulum cover back - this is used when the plunge function is used.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #51 on: June 05, 2015, 04:05 AM »
Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category

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 The industry has moved on a bit - with the Brushless motor and 18v battery this provides very good power and the blade at 1.8 kerf eliminates any flexing. Correct tooth pitch is of course a benefit also. The 55mm cut off the rail is for the 50mm section timber in construction.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2015, 04:25 AM »
It also gives enough depth when cutting hip or valley compound cuts. As to duration of battery life I wonder how many metres of cutting your doing a day? The average cut length is going to be under 200mm. In linear terms it's not very many metres. I have the PDC, BHC, DWC and Carvex so battery's being available is not a problem for me. It's not delivered yet but I will post a review as soon as,as will other members no doubt. If it's not up to snuff I'm not Festool blinkered and will tell it as it is. All my festools earn van space and I am yet to be disappointed in ones performance yet. If it's no good I can always return it or sell it. But if it saves me 10% of my time, removes unsafe extensions from scaffold and floors and cuts more safely and accurately than a skill saw its paid for in short time
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2015, 05:39 AM »
Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category

Hi
 The industry has moved on a bit - with the Brushless motor and 18v battery this provides very good power and the blade at 1.8 kerf eliminates any flexing. Correct tooth pitch is of course a benefit also. The 55mm cut off the rail is for the 50mm section timber in construction.
rg
Phil
I agree it has moved on a bit but it cannot change physics, also a 36V 3.3ah battery is about 25% more powerfull that an 18V 5.2 battery.
I would be interested is seeing the results of it cutting some C17 rated 45mm thick floor joist or some A rated Douglas Fir.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2015, 06:09 AM »
Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category

Hi
 The industry has moved on a bit - with the Brushless motor and 18v battery this provides very good power and the blade at 1.8 kerf eliminates any flexing. Correct tooth pitch is of course a benefit also. The 55mm cut off the rail is for the 50mm section timber in construction.
rg
Phil
I agree it has moved on a bit but it cannot change physics, also a 36V 3.3ah battery is about 25% more powerfull that an 18V 5.2 battery.
I would be interested is seeing the results of it cutting some C17 rated 45mm thick floor joist or some A rated Douglas Fir.

Hi
 Some results from Ridgeons studs 44mm at 90 degree and also angle cut.
rg
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2015, 08:13 AM »
I cant really see there being much of a power issue with the 18v battery.

Up till now i use my makita 18v lxt trim saw to cut both pressure treated and untreated timbers up to 8 x2 without problems. That isnt brushless either. Plus there have been plenty of times i have ripped tanalised timbers and various hardwoods  with the makita. While i realise i probably push the saw beyond its limits  [big grin]

I cannot see the festool being any different.  [smile]
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #56 on: June 05, 2015, 09:21 AM »
The most important question, from my perspective, is: WHEN WILL THIS BE AVAILABLE IN NA?  [big grin]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #57 on: June 05, 2015, 09:57 AM »
The most important question, from my perspective, is: WHEN WILL THIS BE AVAILABLE IN NA?  [big grin]

Well, it's taken over a year to get the TSC55.  I could see this taking even longer if it sells well.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #58 on: June 05, 2015, 12:39 PM »
I'm interested in seeing how this saw performs with 5.2 amp batteries. the run time on my metabo is unbelievable at 5.2amps, and delivers 90nm of max torque. I like lots of power on a saw though so I would have thought they would go 36v. BTW metabo boasts their upcoming 36v LiHD batteries will match the output of a corded 2200w motor.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #59 on: June 05, 2015, 02:16 PM »
I have the 36v Hilti Li-ion saw and i would not swap it for any other cordless saw...Its used mainly for roofs as it has a 70mm cutting depth, the standard 50mm cutting depth of other saws will not cut hips or valleys on 50mm timber..(or have the power)
  Im still getting the HKC 55 as it will still be very useful on roofs and other things.. (I sold my TSC55 and I'm selling my 22v Hilti) which I'm hoping the HKC will replace..
  Still got my Mafell MT55 though  [big grin]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2015, 02:17 PM »
I agree it has moved on a bit but it cannot change physics, also a 36V 3.3ah battery is about 25% more powerfull that an 18V 5.2 battery.
I would be interested is seeing the results of it cutting some C17 rated 45mm thick floor joist or some A rated Douglas Fir.

Not sure it will have any problems with that bit as I've recently been using another workmates 18 volt Makita circular saw to cut 145x45mm timber.  Absolutely no problems with it.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2015, 03:53 PM »
Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category

The 36v hilti is a fantastic saw for 1st fix and roofing, never had a blade buckle yet in over 8 years of daily use, 1 battery usually lasts me all day

If festool made a 75mm 36v I would buy one

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2015, 04:38 PM »
Phil - it looks like in the video that this saw clips onto a standard guide rail - is that the case or was I not seeing that correctly? You had a standard guide rail positioned at an angle facing the camera and it looked like you slid the saw on and off the rail.

Thanks

Hey Scott
  The H.K.C will not clip on to the F.S guide rail. The video was done this way to show that it can fit as the pendulum cover will need to slide back as the saw is fitted.
   The second way is to set the saw to zero and use the lever to move the pendulum cover back - this is used when the plunge function is used.
rg
Phil

that makes sense - thanks for the reply. Do you have any video of it ripping? Also, can you show a picture of the bottom of the shoe?  Does it have the same guide rail adjustment that the TS 55 has?

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #63 on: June 05, 2015, 04:51 PM »
@ScotF  Check out the video I posted earlier in this tread.  The video shows the HKC on a regular guide rail ripping and shows it has the same guide rail adjustment gibs as the TS saws.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2015, 04:54 PM »
Phil - it looks like in the video that this saw clips onto a standard guide rail - is that the case or was I not seeing that correctly? You had a standard guide rail positioned at an angle facing the camera and it looked like you slid the saw on and off the rail.

Thanks

Hey Scott
  The H.K.C will not clip on to the F.S guide rail. The video was done this way to show that it can fit as the pendulum cover will need to slide back as the saw is fitted.
   The second way is to set the saw to zero and use the lever to move the pendulum cover back - this is used when the plunge function is used.
rg
Phil

that makes sense - thanks for the reply. Do you have any video of it ripping? Also, can you show a picture of the bottom of the shoe?  Does it have the same guide rail adjustment that the TS 55 has?

Hi
 The HKC has the same adjustment to the rail as the T.S. will post some images on Monday.
No video of it ripping as we focus on the main application but i will sort some images when in the training room Monday.
rg
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #65 on: June 05, 2015, 05:27 PM »
One reason I decided to go with the corded Mafell version instead of the HKC was the rather weak looking rip capabilities that the "Mike's Tool Show" video seemed to demonstrate.  This type of saw allows for some real flexibility/versatility, and that is what sold me on the concept.  Making it cordless adds some advantages, and gives up some too. 

As I see it this type of saw in a corded version shares much of the same capabilities as a regular circular saw, track saw, miter saw, radial arm saw and table saw.  This gives it tremendous versatility across a pretty broad spectrum of different types of work.  As Phil already mentioned, the HKC is more crosscut focused.  My thoughts are the HKC, as is, loses some of the versatility being an 18v cordless system.  Reports seem to say the TSC55 can eat batteries, and it uses two.  What can the HKC do with one?     

I'm not sure I'd be ever be truly happy with the one 18v battery of the HKC.  I haven't used the tool so I'm certainly not seeking from experience.  We'll see pretty soon as these make their way to the hands of real world users.       
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #66 on: June 09, 2015, 02:10 AM »
A quick question for Phil, or anyone else who has actually used one... when the HKC is used on a normal FS track, does it work with the same spacing to the anti-splinter strip as the TS/TSC?.. i.e. can I use existing FS tracks, or should I have one dedicated to the HKC?
I've had one on order for what seems like forever!.. really can't wait to get my hands on this.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2015, 03:21 AM »
A quick question for Phil, or anyone else who has actually used one... when the HKC is used on a normal FS track, does it work with the same spacing to the anti-splinter strip as the TS/TSC?.. i.e. can I use existing FS tracks, or should I have one dedicated to the HKC?
I've had one on order for what seems like forever!.. really can't wait to get my hands on this.

Hi
 The distance will be wider as the blade on the H.K.C is 1.8mm. The T.S is 2.2mm
Hope this helps
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #68 on: June 09, 2015, 04:11 AM »
I'm not sure if I'm right.
But when the motor side of the blade on both saws is the same then there is no difference when using the saws on the same FS track .
The difference of the blade thickness (0.4 mm) is only at the right side and the splinter guard is not changed.

I expect that Festool has designed the HKC this way, otherwise you could not use it on the same FS track as the normal TS saw.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2015, 04:19 AM »
Of course, I'm aware it is a thin kerf blade, hence my question.

I'm inclined to think like Neeleman on this... but Phil, if you are right, Festool have made a 'big' mistake here. It's not really rocket science to make sure they line up OK, i.e. track to motor side of blade.

I guess I'll have to wait and see... can't wait!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2015, 04:23 AM »
I'm not sure if I'm right.
But when the motor side of the blade on both saws is the same then there is no difference when using the saws on the same FS track .
The difference of the blade thickness (0.4 mm) is only at the right side and the splinter guard is not changed.

I expect that Festool has designed the HKC this way, otherwise you could not use it on the same FS track as the normal TS saw.

Good point!
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2015, 04:24 AM »
The new HKC saw was first to be released today in Germany.
My favourite web-shop Gerschwitz emailed me that it has been delayed to the beginning of August.
And I assume it the same for the rest of Europe.

GRRRRRRRRRR, I'm not happy with that.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #72 on: June 09, 2015, 05:04 AM »
Oh no I hope not!.. August is a long wait!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #73 on: June 09, 2015, 05:21 AM »
I was told the same the end of July which is no use to me I was told a few of the bigger shops have it

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #74 on: June 09, 2015, 05:33 AM »
I see there are some shops that have it in stock (according to their site of course!) I might cancel and re-order if I don't have to wait a couple of months. FSK track will be here in a few days as I ordered from different places to make use of promo codes I had!.. no use to me on it's own!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #75 on: June 09, 2015, 05:42 AM »
Please show me the shops that have the HKC on stock and can deliver them within a few days.
Because I doubt that.

Many web-shops confuse "On stock" with "Available" so that the customer will order.
If they really have the saw I have no problems ordering it from the UK or France.
I'm after a Basic version, so without the charger and batteries.

Strange thing is that the new FSK rails and bags are available in Europe yet?
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #76 on: June 09, 2015, 06:57 AM »
Are the Mafell and Festool rails interchangeable?

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #77 on: June 09, 2015, 07:02 AM »
I don't think so.
Remember the first Domino DF 500 with pin style had to be changed because of interfering with a Mafell patent of the DD40 DuoDoweller. So Mafell will not allow the track to be copied.

And I think the Festool FSK version is better because the saw is pulled back automatically with a spring.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #78 on: June 09, 2015, 07:11 AM »
Please show me the shops that have the HKC on stock and can deliver them within a few days.
Because I doubt that.

Many web-shops confuse "On stock" with "Available" so that the customer will order.
If they really have the saw I have no problems ordering it from the UK or France.
I'm after a Basic version, so without the charger and batteries.

Strange thing is that the new FSK rails and bags are available in Europe yet?

I'm waiting to hear back from my supplier to see when they expect delivery. Also, I have contacted the shop claiming delivery by the 12th, so in 3 days, to see if it is really in stock. If I get some good news I will let you know!

I also have gone for basic version, and ordered seperate 2,6Ah for my DWC18, so will use the 5,2Ah batts for the HKC.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2015, 08:05 AM »
So no good news... mine will not be before 31st July according to Festool France.

All other suppliers are giving the same story.

Rhetorical question for Festool... did you not realise that if you release a product in June, that people might want to actually buy and receive the product in June? It has been several months we have been waiting for the 'release' date, I hope you weren't too surprised that the month of June came in the usual order before July and August this year!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #80 on: June 09, 2015, 08:12 AM »
After having an 18V lithium Hitachi circular saw that wouldn't cut your toe nails, I'll be waiting to try this one "hands on".


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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2015, 08:25 AM »
ReallY? I thought Hitachi were good.

I have an 18v Makita, using 8yr old 3,0Ah batts, it's fantastic. I also just recently sold my Makita 14,4v 136mm circ saw - I used it every day, totally abused it. I don't know about toe nails, it would cut my toes off along with the ends of my work boots!

The thing that concerns me about the HKC55, is that the TS55 is woefully underpowered. I'm working on the basis that most of the time it will be used as an HKC18  [big grin]... and at some point I'll get a powerful saw to replace the TS55.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2015, 08:47 AM »
There could be an interesting insight in Festool thinking in regard to the blade offset on the HKC. The track to blade edge could be made the same as this would be a great convenience to the customer (not having to change edge strips when going between saws). The blade onset could be made different which could allow Festool to seek more guide rails  (much less hassle to buy a new rail rather than replacing guide strips).

Since this is supposed to be more of a cross cut saw, Festool may not be so concerned about having the same guide rails be used for the HKC and other saws.

My math indicates that ripping a 3/4 in by 8 ft strip of plywood would be about the same amount of wood as cross cutting 8-9 2x6s. Of course different wood densities, blade teeth etc could make a big difference. It will be interesting to see how real world tests work out for ripping and cross cutting between various cordless saws.

The delay could be because Festool figured out why the TSC55 is eating batteries and now must change the HKC so it does not do the same. On the other hand, they may have been surprised by the demand for the HKC and what to have a bigger stock on hand before they start selling. This latter point does not make a lot of sense, but who knows.
 

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #83 on: June 09, 2015, 09:34 AM »
Just found out that that they can't actually make the hkc fast enough to meet demand,Festool have been caught out with the popularity of this saw and there have been a lot of big orders put in around Europe. They factory can only make about 24 units a day that's the joys of it been made in Europe. I just hope that they aren't just chucking them out the door or this forum will be a pain when everybody gets there's [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #84 on: June 09, 2015, 10:00 AM »
FFX have not received stock as of today. Been told latter end of this week/ early next week. This is worse than waiting for Christmas  [sad]
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #85 on: June 09, 2015, 10:56 AM »
I got a message from my dealer about the hkc when i ask him about the delay!

We can now announce that the battery circular saw HKC 55 has started to be delivered . Delivery takes place chronologically after the order date and you who have pre-ordered HKC 55 and supplies will therefore get your deliveries in the near future . If you have not pre-ordered - place your order today! We see great interest from our customers and hope and believe that this product can be a new success story for Festool and for you as a reseller !

i dont know if this is for the europe or only skandinavia?
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #86 on: June 09, 2015, 12:29 PM »
I have just had the FSK track and parallel guide  delivered today, not much use if i don't have the saw... [mad]

john..

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #87 on: June 09, 2015, 12:38 PM »
ReallY? I thought Hitachi were good.

I have an 18v Makita, using 8yr old 3,0Ah batts, it's fantastic. I also just recently sold my Makita 14,4v 136mm circ saw - I used it every day, totally abused it. I don't know about toe nails, it would cut my toes off along with the ends of my work boots!

The thing that concerns me about the HKC55, is that the TS55 is woefully underpowered. I'm working on the basis that most of the time it will be used as an HKC18  [big grin]... and at some point I'll get a powerful saw to replace the TS55.

Some Hitachi tools are and were good ... there's just a few lemons in the range ... their 18V circular saw is one of them. I've still got 2 of their old circular saws ~20 years and their solid and reliable - worth of good quality blades!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #88 on: June 09, 2015, 02:29 PM »
Obviously I've not seen the festool version but surely the left hand side of the blade that touches the splinter guard is the same distance to the grooves on the rails be it the hkc or the TS saws. Fair enough the right hand side being different as different kerf width. Just a thought

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #89 on: June 10, 2015, 10:59 AM »
Obviously I've not seen the festool version but surely the left hand side of the blade that touches the splinter guard is the same distance to the grooves on the rails be it the hkc or the TS saws. Fair enough the right hand side being different as different kerf width. Just a thought

I'd like to get the same one as you, but too much for the amount I think I'll be using it.

I switched my order from one of the French dealers I use to FFX as all the French dealers were quoting August delivery. I have already received the notification email to say my HKC has shipped and I have tracking info... so it looks like for the UK buyers, if theirs have also shipped today, then they might be arriving tomorrow!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #90 on: June 10, 2015, 12:57 PM »
The mafell is a lot of money. Unless you're going to be using it everyday I wouldnt recommended it. The reason I have it is after 2 years at the time of using the corded kss400 then going to sites with no power and knowing how useful the whole concept is, to be without to me is now a no no. Is would recommend everybody to try one of them be it the mafell or the festool version either way I don't think you can go wrong

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #91 on: June 10, 2015, 04:14 PM »
What is the pricing on the HKC?
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #92 on: June 10, 2015, 06:31 PM »
What is the pricing on the HKC?

From what I've seen the bare tool will be about 80% of the TSC55's price.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #93 on: August 26, 2015, 06:15 AM »
Has anybody tried cross cutting a 2400x600 sheet of 18/22mm chipboard flooring with the 670mm rail, is the rail too short to do this?

Rich

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #94 on: August 26, 2015, 06:23 AM »
Has anybody tried cross cutting a 2400x600 sheet of 18/22mm chipboard flooring with the 670mm rail, is the rail too short to do this?

Rich

With the HKC, the 'rail length' quoted is the cutting length, NOT the overall length. So the 670mm rail will cut 670mm. So no, the rail isn't too short, it will crosscut a 610mm chipboard floorboard.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #95 on: August 26, 2015, 06:25 AM »
Festool web site says: cutting length 670 mm, so it should work fine.
This rail is made for cutting half size sheets.
The rail itself must be about 300-400 mm longer.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #96 on: August 26, 2015, 06:25 AM »
I haven't tried it but 670 means it will cut 670 in 50mm thick material so 600 wide chipboard will be no problem. You'd probably get  closer to 700 width in 20mm board with the saw at full depth.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #97 on: August 26, 2015, 07:15 AM »
Cheers guys! I hadn't checked the website, or realised that the 250,420,670 was the cutting length and not the overall length!

Thanks again!

Offline wrightwoodwork

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #98 on: August 26, 2015, 08:23 AM »
Also remember that thinner material like 22mm you can cut more the the 670 maybe 740 I guess with the blade at full depth.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #99 on: August 26, 2015, 10:29 AM »
Has anybody tried cross cutting a 2400x600 sheet of 18/22mm chipboard flooring with the 670mm rail, is the rail too short to do this?

Rich

You would only get reliable square cuts from the groove side of the board due to the tongues being a bit bumpy and the rail only engaging on the pin

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #100 on: August 26, 2015, 03:18 PM »
Don't buy one yet, wait until after september tool releases ....

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #101 on: August 27, 2015, 04:26 AM »
Has anybody tried cross cutting a 2400x600 sheet of 18/22mm chipboard flooring with the 670mm rail, is the rail too short to do this?

Rich

Well down here it will be too short because the most commonly sold chipboard flooring is at 3600X900X19mm or 1800X900X19mm.

[600mm is available, but not generally the basic stock at most Timber suppliers.]

I assume we are on the same page regarding chipboard flooring - generally, depending on thickness, with a yellow, red or blue plastic tongue on one long edge, slot groove on the opposite.

http://www.chhwoodproducts.com.au/UserFiles/6/file/structaflor/CHH-STRUCTAflor-Brochure-4pg.pdf
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #103 on: August 28, 2015, 05:38 AM »
Could this in theory, be used to mitre skirting board?
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Offline Kev

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #104 on: August 28, 2015, 06:01 AM »
Could this in theory, be used to mitre skirting board?

If you're thinking 45's off the rail, that's a big ask!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #105 on: August 28, 2015, 06:17 AM »
Could this in theory, be used to mitre skirting board?

In theory yes buts it's not the nicest cut its just for rough work

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #106 on: August 28, 2015, 07:43 AM »
I had to use mine for floor decking yesterday as my hilti is in for repair, needed 2 batteries for the day compared to 1 on my hilti and Ive got my base covered in poly glue [scared]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #107 on: August 28, 2015, 08:16 AM »
Thought as much....just trying to justify it! Unfortunately it's not needed in my arsenal at present. More joinery at the moment. Cheers guys
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #108 on: October 12, 2015, 02:23 PM »
Just had a catalogue fall through the door today.

Festool HCK 132 E looks to be the beast for big roof timbers. None of this faffy little 55mm depth of cuts for that baby.
Festool HCK 132 E


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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #109 on: October 12, 2015, 04:08 PM »
Could this in theory, be used to mitre skirting board?
I used my ts55 years ago to do some mitres on skirting in an emergency. I did make a simple jig though to hold the skirting.

So it is possible

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #110 on: October 13, 2015, 03:49 PM »
Crikey... that big  HCK 132 E. [eek]

Looks like festool are really socking it to mafell now.(Not that they ever needed too)
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #111 on: October 14, 2015, 01:54 PM »
It's not new! It was sold under Protool label before.

Heiko

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #112 on: October 14, 2015, 07:24 PM »
Just had a catalogue fall through the door today.

Festool HCK 132 E looks to be the beast for big roof timbers. None of this faffy little 55mm depth of cuts for that baby.
Festool HCK 132 E


The planing and milling accessories for that are sick!!! [eek] I WANT [crying]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2015, 06:41 PM »
Just had a catalogue fall through the door today.

Festool HCK 132 E looks to be the beast for big roof timbers. None of this faffy little 55mm depth of cuts for that baby.
Festool HCK 132 E


The planing and milling accessories for that are sick!!! [eek] I WANT [crying]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #114 on: October 18, 2015, 03:33 AM »
Not sure if this came out of Holz-Her remnants, Wedlingdon, or that old Siemans plant in Narex-land Ceska Lipa.. nonetheless, it 'twas quite Festool enough.


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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #115 on: November 29, 2015, 01:21 PM »
Ok everyone going to have to call Festool in the morning I was using the hkc for proper roof work I was cutting 35x95 roof trusses and it really struggled with a panther blade in it I got out done by a makita since I have got it it's been ok but have never really worked it hard. I think I have a dud  [crying]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #116 on: November 29, 2015, 02:35 PM »
I had totally different  experience
On bevel siding......  Faster more accurate then
any other method
Framing in attic .....excellent and accurate
Yes it could use a little more power
Trim boards exterior... no fussing with set up
Accurate ,light enough to move where it is needed
All this applies with FSK
4 moths heavy usage  happy all around
The only saw that produces same results is the Maffel
Wish I could have tried on but no luck
I also don't know of any other with FSK type which is the heart of this
Maybe the saw is for different application what you used it for
Santa is bringing me a corded one hopefully
(Santa is in my valet didn't have time to order it)
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #117 on: November 29, 2015, 03:34 PM »
My experience is the same nippy, I'm happy with the saw but only for 1" timber
hilti 36v is for 2" speed square for a cross cut guide or use a festool rail if its a wide cut

Offline Jozsef Kozma

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #118 on: November 29, 2015, 03:45 PM »
The 36 volt hilti
Weight  is one issue and no FSK type rail
Please correct me if I am wrong
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #119 on: November 29, 2015, 03:54 PM »
My experience is the same nippy, I'm happy with the saw but only for 1" timber
hilti 36v is for 2" speed square for a cross cut guide or use a festool rail if its a wide cut

Ye seems ok for 25mm stuff fine for in chipboard and osb and ply but try it on cls or reg and treated it really struggles which is no use to me if it can't cut something 55mm which its design for what is the point

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #120 on: November 29, 2015, 04:04 PM »
I have not used it on treated lumber, but on
Douglassfir 2X4 s(37 mm thickness ) it was
flawless + accurate (with fsk)

Jozsef

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #121 on: November 29, 2015, 04:58 PM »
I have not used it on treated lumber, but on
Douglassfir 2X4 s(37 mm thickness ) it was
flawless + accurate (with fsk)

Jozsef

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #122 on: November 29, 2015, 08:08 PM »
I find it interesting that the Festool Aust Dealer demo I attended, used 12mm ply rather than solid wood. I have also been left with the impression on viewing some videos that this saw struggles in some solid woods, even at times pine.

I am wondering if the corded version has more 'real use' power?
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #123 on: November 30, 2015, 02:18 AM »
It's not the precision I am on about that bit is flawless it's the power out put. I will be using it again today on the roof every cut that last day was nearly half way then it would stall and beep then a red light came on  I am not ask a lot of the saw this is what I was designed for

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #124 on: November 30, 2015, 08:59 AM »
It's not the precision I am on about that bit is flawless it's the power out put. I will be using it again today on the roof every cut that last day was nearly half way then it would stall and beep then a red light came on  I am not ask a lot of the saw this is what I was designed for

I'm not so sure it was designed for cutting thick roofing/framing material, and that is why I went with the corded version of the red brand.  I really like the idea of a small 18V saw, but you have to be realistic about the capabilities.   
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #125 on: November 30, 2015, 02:16 PM »
It's not the precision I am on about that bit is flawless it's the power out put. I will be using it again today on the roof every cut that last day was nearly half way then it would stall and beep then a red light came on  I am not ask a lot of the saw this is what I was designed for

I'm not so sure it was designed for cutting thick roofing/framing material, and that is why I went with the corded version of the red brand.  I really like the idea of a small 18V saw, but you have to be realistic about the capabilities.   

Fair comment Brice, however look at the claimed main applications list at -

http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/564636/SubProducts/564636




Despite recent advances in batt amps/voltage, I agree that a corded saw will still have some advantage regarding power and performance.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #126 on: November 30, 2015, 03:03 PM »
It's not the precision I am on about that bit is flawless it's the power out put. I will be using it again today on the roof every cut that last day was nearly half way then it would stall and beep then a red light came on  I am not ask a lot of the saw this is what I was designed for

I'm not so sure it was designed for cutting thick roofing/framing material, and that is why I went with the corded version of the red brand.  I really like the idea of a small 18V saw, but you have to be realistic about the capabilities.   

Fair comment Brice, however look at the claimed main applications list at -

http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/564636/SubProducts/564636

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Despite recent advances in batt amps/voltage, I agree that a corded saw will still have some advantage regarding power and performance.

@Brice Burrell

I totally agree I have to be realistic in what I am cutting but it was sold to me as a machine for roof and rough work which is what all the photos are which today I really had to count to ten because it was going to get launched off the roof today it struggled all day it was A pain in the  it has no guts would would think if it was bogging down the electronics would give it a it of a boost to get true the cut and not just beep at me and go that's all I got  [eek]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #127 on: November 30, 2015, 03:30 PM »
Little question for is the compound cuts the saw struggles on, with the panther blade. I have noticed on my mafell cordless that if I'm doing cross cuts and compounds it actually gets on better with the 32 tooth blade compared to 16 tooth blade. No idea why just the way it seems. I'm wondering if a different blade might help you out. I haven't used the festool so can't comment on if it does or doesn't have enough power. Other than picking it up. My only real thought will have enough power to cut compounds up to 38mm. In fact people with the tsc how does your saws cope with a compound cuts upto 38mm

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #128 on: November 30, 2015, 08:02 PM »
I would love to try a Maffel
Does anybody in this area southern CT or
Westchester County NY have one
Beer is on me
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #129 on: December 01, 2015, 02:33 AM »
Little question for is the compound cuts the saw struggles on, with the panther blade. I have noticed on my mafell cordless that if I'm doing cross cuts and compounds it actually gets on better with the 32 tooth blade compared to 16 tooth blade. No idea why just the way it seems. I'm wondering if a different blade might help you out. I haven't used the festool so can't comment on if it does or doesn't have enough power. Other than picking it up. My only real thought will have enough power to cut compounds up to 38mm. In fact people with the tsc how does your saws cope with a compound cuts upto 38mm

Compound cuts useless even with the panter blade it must be a dud I'll speak to festool today

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #130 on: December 01, 2015, 04:33 AM »
Im A cabinetmaker and i install kitchens.

The HKC has made my life so much easier.

i have put a standard TS55 blade 48 tooth in the HKC. I have been cutting melamine and mdf. I had to cut some mdf bulkhead the other day 500mm high i used the 670mm rail cut the mitres it was perpectly square.

i also use the 670mm rail with the stop removed to cut down panels etc. Having the saw conected to the rail is so much easier then my ts55.

The HKC has made my life so much easier
even docking kicks to length is awesome with the 250mm rail. now i dont have to lug the kapex up the stairs every job.

Cheers

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #131 on: December 01, 2015, 08:33 AM »
Compound cuts need the extra power. Give festool a call. Doing roofs is what these type saws should shine at. The only other thing is saw sliding along the track as if on ice. I sometimes find when using mine the track gets a sticky residue and if I give the rail a spray with silicone spray it really helps with the cuts as less pressure is put on the saw causing myself to torque my wrist and twist the saw etc leading to pressure on the blade


quote author=Nippychippy link=topic=40550.msg430158#msg430158 date=1448955225]
Little question for is the compound cuts the saw struggles on, with the panther blade. I have noticed on my mafell cordless that if I'm doing cross cuts and compounds it actually gets on better with the 32 tooth blade compared to 16 tooth blade. No idea why just the way it seems. I'm wondering if a different blade might help you out. I haven't used the festool so can't comment on if it does or doesn't have enough power. Other than picking it up. My only real thought will have enough power to cut compounds up to 38mm. In fact people with the tsc how does your saws cope with a compound cuts upto 38mm

Compound cuts useless even with the panter blade it must be a dud I'll speak to festool today
[/quote]

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #132 on: December 01, 2015, 09:18 AM »
When you say the panther do you mean the 12 tooth blade? This is meant for ripping. I use the 18 tooth universal blade and it cuts compounds like butter as long as the blade is sharp and the battery has enough juice. It's also important to use the saw 2 handed on compound cuts otherwise it wants to bog down into the rail.
Hope that helps

Offline VW MICK

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #133 on: December 03, 2015, 03:49 AM »
I'm considering getting one of these saws

Can anybody tell me if the corded hkc saws all work with the same rails as I think a hkc 85 will be handy for the extra depth. Also do they all work on the normal rails too. As it would be handy to break down a couple of sheets with the cordless and a 3m rail

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #134 on: December 03, 2015, 03:57 AM »
Yes the HK(C) saws will all work on all the FS/2 and FSK rails.
That's the Festool system, you know!
And BTW the HKC 85 doesn't exist, only the HKC 55.
Have a look at some of the YouTube videos and it will be clear.
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #135 on: December 03, 2015, 04:15 AM »
Ok thanks @neeleman

I meant the hk85. Obviously the HKC is the cordless

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Offline jmac80

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #136 on: December 08, 2015, 11:18 AM »
Hi @Nippychippy
How did you get on with your HKC?
I got one about a month ago.
Today was my first chance to use in on deeper cuts.
I was notching pressure treated 4x2's that were fairly wet.
I was trenching the 4x2's 48mm deep and had 4 clamped together to save time. So 48mm deep cuts and 8" long in wet pressure treated wood and it did not struggle once..

was knocking up this as a quicky cutting table for sheet goods..

James

Offline Nippychippy

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #137 on: December 08, 2015, 12:56 PM »
Thanks James that is my table setup great minds  [big grin] I filled in the form online and the was to wait for an email which I haven't received yet that was last week so I'll give them a call today spoke to the rep today he said that it sounds unusual because he has not heard of any issues on them. I think I have a dud

Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #138 on: December 11, 2015, 08:02 AM »
I was looking at the hkc but am now thinking I'd go with the 110v corded version when I do eventually get one, I did wonder how the hkc would perform on solid timber
« Last Edit: December 11, 2015, 08:04 AM by Mbconstructionjoinery »
Lots of the green stuff :))

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #139 on: December 11, 2015, 08:12 AM »


Compound cuts useless even with the panter blade it must be a dud I'll speak to festool today
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Mines is the same its terrible on 8x2s 6x2 just and no more. Expected alot more from it tbh. My brothers makita cheapo struggles less. If you've got a dud then so do i

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #140 on: December 11, 2015, 12:28 PM »
They are very dependant on a sharp blade, as soon as it dulls a bit it wont cut

Offline MT Carpentry And Joinery

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #141 on: January 26, 2016, 05:59 PM »
I can see me buying this to do hip roofing.. The HKC55 and Cordless Carvex could see me do a roof in possibly half the time (yes, I genuinely think it will be that much quicker)

~WW

Won't cut through the timber fully when doing jack rafters and hips and valleys st 45 degrees between 4-6mm short so annoying that's why they need to bring out a 36v hkc85

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Re: Hkc 55 Ripping Hardwood Capabilities
« Reply #142 on: February 23, 2017, 10:45 AM »
I am curious about the saw for for ripping marine lumber, i.e. 6/4" Mahogany planks (12 - 18 feet).
1. Can the saw cope with that material for cuts this long
2. Will the riving knife and thin kerf blade bind when used for slightly curved cuts (20-60 foot radii)?
3. If 2 is no problem, how do you estimate the capability of making curved cuts along a batten instead nailed onto the stock instead of the straight guide rail?

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #143 on: February 26, 2017, 10:39 AM »
@feuser For long slow curves like you mention, I think the only way you could know is by buying one and trying it out. Maybe you could take it in a couple of passes?
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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #144 on: March 02, 2017, 08:08 PM »
I found out today that it will cut through Hardie board like butter! Seems one of my employees thought it would be okay. I was literally punching him in the face through my phone!

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #145 on: March 02, 2017, 08:18 PM »
They make Hardie blades for it..whats the big deal?

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #146 on: March 02, 2017, 08:36 PM »
They make Hardie blades for it..whats the big deal?

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Because the abrasive dust is not good for power tools.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #147 on: March 02, 2017, 08:41 PM »
I thought it would void the warranty. Also he just used the blade that came with the saw. Pretty dull now I'm sure. Besides I have a dedicated saw with a Hardie blade on it.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #148 on: March 02, 2017, 09:19 PM »
Gotcha...I thought he used it with the correct blade. The dust in the tool wouldn't bother me. Tools are meant to be used. Seems like, with the correct blade, the HKC would be awesome for cutting Hardie...especially up on scaffold.

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #149 on: March 02, 2017, 10:40 PM »
They make Hardie blades for it..whats the big deal?

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Because the abrasive dust is not good for power tools.

Fiber cement products are one of the approved materials to use the TS saws on, as listed in the owners manual.

See pages 10 an 12;

https://www.festoolusa.com/media/pdf/703959_002_TS%2055%20REQ_USA.pdf

Between the dust extraction and the arbor seal I have had no issues with dust "in" the TS saws. I do recommend wiping the base plate and track when you're done cutting FC products.

The TS saws make working with FC and plaster a much more pleasant experience.

I cannot find the HK manual online, someone who owns an HK please check if FC and plaster are listed as approved materials to cut with the HK.

Tom
« Last Edit: March 02, 2017, 10:45 PM by tjbnwi »

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #150 on: March 02, 2017, 10:46 PM »
I thought it would void the warranty. Also he just used the blade that came with the saw. Pretty dull now I'm sure. Besides I have a dedicated saw with a Hardie blade on it.

I've used a Kapex to cut FC.

Tom

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Re: Hkc 55
« Reply #151 on: March 02, 2017, 11:05 PM »
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