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Offline Lou in DE

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Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« on: September 04, 2015, 03:40 PM »
I'm relatively new to Festool and the Kapex was one of my first purchases about 6 months ago. As I get more familiar with it I find that it is an amazing tool - this is not a "chop saw" by any stretch. I'm not sure that there is a miter saw out there that can slice through wood like this:



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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2015, 04:05 PM »
Looks good  [big grin]
just ordered a kapex today  [cool]
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2015, 04:06 PM »
I would like to compliment your images  Very nice.   [thumbs up]

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2015, 04:18 PM »
In addition to your photos, I also like your wooden accessories.
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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2015, 04:20 PM »
Nice. I really need to add a zero clearance fence to mine.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2015, 06:18 PM »
I'm relatively new to Festool and the Kapex was one of my first purchases about 6 months ago. As I get more familiar with it I find that it is an amazing tool - this is not a "chop saw" by any stretch. I'm not sure that there is a miter saw out there that can slice through wood like this:





Lou, very nice zero clearance insert and fence!  Makes me want to upgrade my Kapex now.

But, why why why why why did you have to add your last comment about the Kapex not being a chop saw and not sure if there is a miter saw that can slice through wood like this, i.e. - your nice photos....

You do realize you made me drag out my very old (+15 years old) chop saw, yes, the despised by many on this forum, the old DeWalt DW705 - out from under my radial arm saw (yes, still have one of those too), where it had been thrown many months ago after purchasing my Kapex. 

So, here are my not so pretty photos, a la half a fence, and zero clearance TAPE, using a saw that I haven't done a darn thing to in years as far as calibration.  Will I need to blow the dust out of my shop now?  Uh, yes....  Would I need to blow the dust out of my shop if I placed it back onto its miter saw station, complete with vacuum and 4" dust collection to prevent said dust, NO! But this little exercise has also totally comvinced me my old DeWalt can cut as good, no, better than my Kapex (shudder the thought!)....

Note, a slightly used Kapex, complete with a straight fence and level cutting platform may very well enter the Classified section soon.  Still a lot of life and quality cuts in this old DeWalt saw with its Craftsman blade!

Oh, almost forgot.  Cut samples - done in a hurry, were walnut 1-1/4" thick x 7-1/2" wide, maple is 1 x 4", and the other is a 2x4 pine.

Point being, yes, I will put my old DeWalt chop saw up against your Kapex any day of the week!  And win....   :)

Gary
« Last Edit: September 04, 2015, 07:09 PM by Baremeg55 »

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2015, 06:40 PM »
Well said Gary and I only bought the Kapex because I was curious about the Kapex and because my son needed my DeWalt with Bosch Gravity Rise Stand (He loves it).  I didn't upgrade, just changed to a smaller footprint (and spent a lot of money).

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2015, 09:51 PM »
Lou, very nice zero clearance insert and fence!  Makes me want to upgrade my Kapex now.

But, why why why why why did you have to add your last comment about the Kapex not being a chop saw and not sure if there is a miter saw that can slice through wood like this, i.e. - your nice photos....

You do realize you made me drag out my very old (+15 years old) chop saw, yes, the despised by many on this forum, the old DeWalt DW705 - out from under my radial arm saw (yes, still have one of those too), where it had been thrown many months ago after purchasing my Kapex. 

Hi Gary - always wondered who bought that legendary DeWalt [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

Seriously tho, my previous Makita could not come close.

Happy that you love that old saw - someone here would be happy to pick up your Kapex I'm sure.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2015, 10:17 PM »
I'm relatively new to Festool and the Kapex was one of my first purchases about 6 months ago. As I get more familiar with it I find that it is an amazing tool - this is not a "chop saw" by any stretch. I'm not sure that there is a miter saw out there that can slice through wood like this:





Lou, very nice zero clearance insert and fence!  Makes me want to upgrade my Kapex now.

But, why why why why why did you have to add your last comment about the Kapex not being a chop saw and not sure if there is a miter saw that can slice through wood like this, i.e. - your nice photos....

You do realize you made me drag out my very old (+15 years old) chop saw, yes, the despised by many on this forum, the old DeWalt DW705 - out from under my radial arm saw (yes, still have one of those too), where it had been thrown many months ago after purchasing my Kapex. 

So, here are my not so pretty photos, a la half a fence, and zero clearance TAPE, using a saw that I haven't done a darn thing to in years as far as calibration.  Will I need to blow the dust out of my shop now?  Uh, yes....  Would I need to blow the dust out of my shop if I placed it back onto its miter saw station, complete with vacuum and 4" dust collection to prevent said dust, NO! But this little exercise has also totally comvinced me my old DeWalt can cut as good, no, better than my Kapex (shudder the thought!)....

Note, a slightly used Kapex, complete with a straight fence and level cutting platform may very well enter the Classified section soon.  Still a lot of life and quality cuts in this old DeWalt saw with its Craftsman blade!

Oh, almost forgot.  Cut samples - done in a hurry, were walnut 1-1/4" thick x 7-1/2" wide, maple is 1 x 4", and the other is a 2x4 pine.

Point being, yes, I will put my old DeWalt chop saw up against your Kapex any day of the week!  And win....   :)

Gary


Thanks for your post.  I use my dewalt with a freud blade everyday and I get great results from it.  I can cut thin slices just like the photos above.   You dont need a Kapex for great cut quality.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2015, 11:17 PM »
I'm relatively new to Festool and the Kapex was one of my first purchases about 6 months ago. As I get more familiar with it I find that it is an amazing tool - this is not a "chop saw" by any stretch. I'm not sure that there is a miter saw out there that can slice through wood like this:





Lou, very nice zero clearance insert and fence!  Makes me want to upgrade my Kapex now.

But, why why why why why did you have to add your last comment about the Kapex not being a chop saw and not sure if there is a miter saw that can slice through wood like this, i.e. - your nice photos....

You do realize you made me drag out my very old (+15 years old) chop saw, yes, the despised by many on this forum, the old DeWalt DW705 - out from under my radial arm saw (yes, still have one of those too), where it had been thrown many months ago after purchasing my Kapex. 

So, here are my not so pretty photos, a la half a fence, and zero clearance TAPE, using a saw that I haven't done a darn thing to in years as far as calibration.  Will I need to blow the dust out of my shop now?  Uh, yes....  Would I need to blow the dust out of my shop if I placed it back onto its miter saw station, complete with vacuum and 4" dust collection to prevent said dust, NO! But this little exercise has also totally comvinced me my old DeWalt can cut as good, no, better than my Kapex (shudder the thought!)....

Note, a slightly used Kapex, complete with a straight fence and level cutting platform may very well enter the Classified section soon.  Still a lot of life and quality cuts in this old DeWalt saw with its Craftsman blade!

Oh, almost forgot.  Cut samples - done in a hurry, were walnut 1-1/4" thick x 7-1/2" wide, maple is 1 x 4", and the other is a 2x4 pine.

Point being, yes, I will put my old DeWalt chop saw up against your Kapex any day of the week!  And win....   :)

Gary


Thanks for your post.  I use my dewalt with a freud blade everyday and I get great results from it.  I can cut thin slices just like the photos above.   You dont need a Kapex for great cut quality.

Agreed completely. I didn't buy my Kapex for the cut quality, I bought it for the smaller footprint and dust collection.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2015, 11:56 PM »
i often wonder why anyone would ever consider buying a 10" miter saw instead of a 12"? There is no substitute for cut capacity IMHO.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2015, 08:16 AM »
i often wonder why anyone would ever consider buying a 10" miter saw instead of a 12"? There is no substitute for cut capacity IMHO.

My impression is that Festool is in general more aimed at cabinetmaking and installers who don't really need the cut capacity of a 12" and don't want the unavoidable loss in accuracy and increase in weight/size that comes with them. A bit like asking why not everybody uses 36V drills as they can do anything other drills do, with more capacity. For those who don't need that capacity it becomes a bad compromise.
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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2015, 08:48 AM »
I'm relatively new to Festool and the Kapex was one of my first purchases about 6 months ago. As I get more familiar with it I find that it is an amazing tool - this is not a "chop saw" by any stretch. I'm not sure that there is a miter saw out there that can slice through wood like this:





Lou, very nice zero clearance insert and fence!  Makes me want to upgrade my Kapex now.

But, why why why why why did you have to add your last comment about the Kapex not being a chop saw and not sure if there is a miter saw that can slice through wood like this, i.e. - your nice photos....

You do realize you made me drag out my very old (+15 years old) chop saw, yes, the despised by many on this forum, the old DeWalt DW705 - out from under my radial arm saw (yes, still have one of those too), where it had been thrown many months ago after purchasing my Kapex. 

So, here are my not so pretty photos, a la half a fence, and zero clearance TAPE, using a saw that I haven't done a darn thing to in years as far as calibration.  Will I need to blow the dust out of my shop now?  Uh, yes....  Would I need to blow the dust out of my shop if I placed it back onto its miter saw station, complete with vacuum and 4" dust collection to prevent said dust, NO! But this little exercise has also totally comvinced me my old DeWalt can cut as good, no, better than my Kapex (shudder the thought!)....

Note, a slightly used Kapex, complete with a straight fence and level cutting platform may very well enter the Classified section soon.  Still a lot of life and quality cuts in this old DeWalt saw with its Craftsman blade!

Oh, almost forgot.  Cut samples - done in a hurry, were walnut 1-1/4" thick x 7-1/2" wide, maple is 1 x 4", and the other is a 2x4 pine.

Point being, yes, I will put my old DeWalt chop saw up against your Kapex any day of the week!  And win....   :)

Gary


Thanks for your post.  I use my dewalt with a freud blade everyday and I get great results from it.  I can cut thin slices just like the photos above.   You dont need a Kapex for great cut quality.

Agreed completely. I didn't buy my Kapex for the cut quality, I bought it for the smaller footprint and dust collection.

I upgraded my dust shoot on my dewalt miter saw,  now it gets 85%-90% of the dust.  When the Bosch cm12 came out I notice it had an awesome dust shoot.  I ordered the Bosch shoot and the little parts and with a little modification mounted it on my Dewalt.  I think the parts cost me $10. 

Im not saying that my Dewalt is the best saw in the world,  just saying theres other alternatives.  Truthfuly when my Dewalt dies I will buy the Bosch hinge saw.    Its very hard to justify  $1400 for a miter saw.   For $1400 I can buy 4 Dewalt saws and almost 3 hinge saws. 

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2015, 09:12 AM »
I upgraded my dust shoot on my dewalt miter saw,  now it gets 85%-90% of the dust.  When the Bosch cm12 came out I notice it had an awesome dust shoot.  I ordered the Bosch shoot and the little parts and with a little modification mounted it on my Dewalt.  I think the parts cost me $10. 

You don't happen to have the part #'s handy that you used to do this?  I have a DW717 and this sounds like an interesting mod, although it may not be compatible since the DW717 is a slider.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2015, 01:22 PM »
this makes me wanna do some test with my makita compound miter saw. will upload pics.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2015, 09:18 PM »
this makes me wanna do some test with my makita compound miter saw. will upload pics.
My old Makita mitre saw would give the same cutting results as the OP's kapex, in fact all of my old mitre saws would give those same cutting results.
  It's all about the blade and the Kapex comes with a very good blade, should do for the price. But most saws come with a pretty avarage blades and a lot of people who don't use a saw every day take a while or never replace the stock blade. If you do some research and replace the stock blade it's like having a new saw. I only replaced the Makita with a Kapex because I wanted better accuracy and better dust collection, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the quality of the cut.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2015, 10:38 PM »
this makes me wanna do some test with my makita compound miter saw. will upload pics.
My old Makita mitre saw would give the same cutting results as the OP's kapex, in fact all of my old mitre saws would give those same cutting results.
  It's all about the blade and the Kapex comes with a very good blade, should do for the price. But most saws come with a pretty avarage blades and a lot of people who don't use a saw every day take a while or never replace the stock blade. If you do some research and replace the stock blade it's like having a new saw. I only replaced the Makita with a Kapex because I wanted better accuracy and better dust collection, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the quality of the cut.

As the OP and having a Makita for 20+ years with a premium Forrest blades (professionally resharpened by Forrest)  installed I would disagree - the Kapex (& Festool) is on an entire new level of quality. The machine handles like a precision instrument and I really enjoy woodworking with quality tools (if only my skills matched  [big grin])
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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2015, 04:51 AM »
That looks like cherry wood on  the OP's  Kapex. Nice   timber.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2015, 05:28 AM »
this makes me wanna do some test with my makita compound miter saw. will upload pics.
My old Makita mitre saw would give the same cutting results as the OP's kapex, in fact all of my old mitre saws would give those same cutting results.
  It's all about the blade and the Kapex comes with a very good blade, should do for the price. But most saws come with a pretty avarage blades and a lot of people who don't use a saw every day take a while or never replace the stock blade. If you do some research and replace the stock blade it's like having a new saw. I only replaced the Makita with a Kapex because I wanted better accuracy and better dust collection, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the quality of the cut.

As the OP and having a Makita for 20+ years with a premium Forrest blades (professionally resharpened by Forrest)  installed I would disagree - the Kapex (& Festool) is on an entire new level of quality. The machine handles like a precision instrument and I really enjoy woodworking with quality tools (if only my skills matched  [big grin])
  I'm not knocking the Kapex and I agree with you the Kapex does have a superior precision and is far more enjoyable to use over the Makita, just saying I used to get good cuts with my old Makita once I installed decent after market blades.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2015, 08:13 AM »
I made a cut on   200 x 65mm  walnut then flipped it   over  and made another cut. Then measured the slice at either end.
This is on my old trusty work horse  the  Makita  LS1013.



The  inaccuracy - 2.19mm.

Then I moved   to  the hammer slider  and repeated the process..



The inaccuracy  here is  O.37mm.





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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2015, 10:19 AM »
from a closer look at the kapex cuts, there is a bit of tear-off at the part where saw exits. same as for the dewalt picture.

below are come cuts i made with my 7 1/2" makita. i like this saw due to its weight. only 13 kg. i'm using the stock 24t makita blade. i get some tear outs at the back as well.




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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2015, 01:01 PM »
this makes me wanna do some test with my makita compound miter saw. will upload pics.
My old Makita mitre saw would give the same cutting results as the OP's kapex, in fact all of my old mitre saws would give those same cutting results.
  It's all about the blade and the Kapex comes with a very good blade, should do for the price. But most saws come with a pretty avarage blades and a lot of people who don't use a saw every day take a while or never replace the stock blade. If you do some research and replace the stock blade it's like having a new saw. I only replaced the Makita with a Kapex because I wanted better accuracy and better dust collection, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the quality of the cut.

As the OP and having a Makita for 20+ years with a premium Forrest blades (professionally resharpened by Forrest)  installed I would disagree - the Kapex (& Festool) is on an entire new level of quality. The machine handles like a precision instrument and I really enjoy woodworking with quality tools (if only my skills matched  [big grin])
I see you had an "oops" moment with your zero clearance fence on a miter cut.  [unsure] I can't believe I haven't done that yet, for I surely will.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2015, 01:43 PM »
I see you had an "oops" moment with your zero clearance fence on a miter cut.  [unsure] I can't believe I haven't done that yet, for I surely will.
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I figured that someone would notice that  [embarassed].

While I'm posting this, I wanted to mention that I was not doing "test cuts" with the Kapex - I was constructing an out feed table for my TS and these three shown were just some random offcuts from 2x4's that I thought might be interesting to some.
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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2015, 12:06 AM »
I see you had an "oops" moment with your zero clearance fence on a miter cut.  [unsure] I can't believe I haven't done that yet, for I surely will.

I figured that someone would notice that  [embarassed].

While I'm posting this, I wanted to mention that I was not doing "test cuts" with the Kapex - I was constructing an out feed table for my TS and these three shown were just some random offcuts from 2x4's that I thought might be interesting to some.
[/quote]I'm on your side.  I had a perfectly good Ridgid non-compound miter saw (Is that what you call the ones that don't slide?) that I gave to a friend when I bought the Kapex.  I have no idea if that Ridgid was square because I didn't know how to check that then.  But I am learning and I have tweaked my Kapex to be off less than .001" in 10."  I might be a little biased.  Almost all of my ancestors are from Germany.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2015, 12:31 AM »
i get the same impressive cuts with my old 10in dewalt. all in the blade.
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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2015, 12:38 PM »
I love festool, but the thought that only the Kapex can make thin smooth cuts is quite humorous. My road saws are the 12" sliding dewalt, and a 12" sliding ridgid, both keep Freud blades on them, both more than capable of producing extremely thin cuts. My shop saw is a Bosch axial glide 12" with a Forrest chopmaster blade on it, and it will do paper thin all day.

Now, non of them have the dus tcollection of the Kapex. The bosch is extremely close, but I have made a few modifications to it. I can cut 3/4" ply all day and have very little dust to sweep up or vacuum off the saw at the end of the day.

The kapex has two features I envy, the micro adjust on the bevel, and the dual laser. Other than that, I cant find a reason to stop using my Bosch axial. It has the same footprint to boot, or close to it.

The Starrett miter saw angle gauge is a huge time saver too.

Anyway...I think cut quality comes down to vibration and blade quality mainly. The old direct drive saws would vibrate more and thus produce less stellar cuts.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2015, 02:54 PM »
I mostly build furniture no framing or heavy use.  For me where the Kapex excels is.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2015, 02:58 PM »
OK don't hit the tab key on the keyboard

1. the angles are dead on.  I was never able to get a 90 deg angle on either Dewalt or Ridgid despite much fiddling with adjustments.
2. Clean cuts.  Once you cut a piece of wood you are done.  With a 12" saw they all left "machining marks" that had to be planed off.  No longer.  This is a huge time saver.  Not sure if other 10" saws will do this but I have never found a 12" that will. The end grain on a piece of 2" walnut is shiny after the cut.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2015, 03:01 PM »
OK don't hit the tab key on the keyboard

1. the angles are dead on.  I was never able to get a 90 deg angle on either Dewalt or Ridgid despite much fiddling with adjustments.
2. Clean cuts.  Once you cut a piece of wood you are done.  With a 12" saw they all left "machining marks" that had to be planed off.  No longer.  This is a huge time saver.  Not sure if other 10" saws will do this but I have never found a 12" that will. The end grain on a piece of 2" walnut is shiny after the cut.

Bill

The Bosch GCM 12 GDL can, can cut perfect 90 degree angles too!
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« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2015, 04:20 PM »
OK don't hit the tab key on the keyboard

1. the angles are dead on.  I was never able to get a 90 deg angle on either Dewalt or Ridgid despite much fiddling with adjustments.
2. Clean cuts.  Once you cut a piece of wood you are done.  With a 12" saw they all left "machining marks" that had to be planed off.  No longer.  This is a huge time saver.  Not sure if other 10" saws will do this but I have never found a 12" that will. The end grain on a piece of 2" walnut is shiny after the cut.

Bill

The Bosch GCM 12 GDL can, can cut perfect 90 degree angles too!

+1 for the Bosch.

Again, if money was no issue id have a Kapex, but in reality, with some tweaking on the dust collection, I believe it to be the same cutting quality saw. Just my 2cents.

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2015, 12:19 AM »
OK don't hit the tab key on the keyboard

1. the angles are dead on.  I was never able to get a 90 deg angle on either Dewalt or Ridgid despite much fiddling with adjustments.
2. Clean cuts.  Once you cut a piece of wood you are done.  With a 12" saw they all left "machining marks" that had to be planed off.  No longer.  This is a huge time saver.  Not sure if other 10" saws will do this but I have never found a 12" that will. The end grain on a piece of 2" walnut is shiny after the cut.

Bill

My 12" DeWalt 716 is off .001 at 90* and the blade is tuned to the arbor using a dial indicator leaving me with a combined blade/ arbor runout of .002.

The most common cut quality problems on a 12" saw are the material moving when the cut is started,blade flutter caused by heat and thin kerf tooling, slop in the bearings on a SCMS, or poor quality tooling.  I have an 80t standard kerf Royce Ayr blade on my saw and there are no machining marks on the cuts.  Cut quality and precision are nothing more than a good setup and quality tooling.

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Offline Corwin

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Re: Kapex - impressive cuts (pics)
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2015, 02:48 AM »
My new Kapex hasn't arrived just yet, but I chose this over some other options because of Festool's more consistent build quality. Several of the other brands had nice reviews, but some were for their earlier versions where the current version has quality issues.  [2cents]
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)