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Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« on: February 13, 2017, 11:48 AM »
Starting a new thread, it will get you guys going until Peter Parfitt makes that video ;) so feel free to be subjective and chime in but try to keep it civil.

These are my initial thoughts so it does not necessarily reflect a long term user perspective but hey - gotta start somewhere.

OK DONE:

First set of images is "sneaking up on cut line with shadow line":









I must say I am not too impressed with the shadow line indication.
It neither clear nor uniform in width (of course) so you need to SPIN the blade and/or lower until you get the shadow of a tooth on your mark. You are then _very_ close to the surface and you might as well touch the surface with the blade. Does it save time? No.

If you are cutting a wider board you need to extend and lower until you are almost on the surface to register. Once there the cut is right on the money but I think it is neither more convenient or better than putting the tooth on the mark by eye sight or using a laser.  [unsure]

For bevel cuts the shadow line works a little better but depending on if you are cutting on the mark or creeping up to the cut line you might overshoot. I did overshoot by a mm or a little more on the first try - even when I figured I got the shadow line right. User error of course but not intuitive, I think.

Might get used to it eventually but I think I prefer having a laser...

Ok, cutting narrow stock you can cut around 70mm standing the stock up. Test piece is 16x95mm mdf scrap and you can cut 16x95mm in a straight cut (barely) but in a mitre cut you get around 82mm on the 16x95mm piece, as shown on the photo. I would prefer to be able to cut standing mitres up to 95mm as it is a fairly common dimension over here but 70mm is ok.




Dust accumulated after a few test cuts:




Video on Dust Collection (TURN VOLUME DOWN  [scared])

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ScVltViFbk&feature=youtu.be

Note that the dust collection through a 27mm nozzle/hose is mediocre. It does spray a lot of dust outside the chute even when allowing for the vac to start up properly. This was not impressive performance for the saw. It actually might do worse  (definitely no better) than my old Makita and probably worse than my battery powered Metabo hooked up to a vac.


Video on Shadow line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmbJxP0mpvE&feature=youtu.be

I do have a video which is 42 sec but it was too large to upload from my phone to my email. On that video the blade wobble is visible.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 02:18 AM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
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Offline Svar

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Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 12:39 PM »
It neither clear nor uniform in width (of course) so you need to rotate the blade and/or lower until you get the shadow of a tooth on your mark.
Will it look better (uniform) if you pull the trigger and the blade is spinning?

Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2017, 12:41 PM »
First impressions:

EDITED FOR CONTENT AND MY DYSLECTIC KEYBOARD HAMFISTED ATTEMPTS AT SPELLING CORRECTED



Heavy, but in a reassuring way. It is not a light weight mitre saw.

Base runs silky smooth. It is on par with the best I have handled.  [smile]
Scale is easy to read but there are no incremental detents on the scale. I don't miss them.

The fence is ok, fits nicely and runs smoothly. However, using the Festool clamp it does not fully reach the base (because of the fence height) when inserted in the back so it hangs loose and could rattle off in transport. It does not lock so can't be left on the machine which I would have liked. It is short a mm or two. Not good.
It locks down thin sheets pretty good though so in use it works as intended.

Blade key is at the back and locks in place really well, almost too well! It won't fall off...

Side extensions run smooth and extend quite a bit and there is nothing bad to say about them. Thumbs up!

Overall handling is very good to great. Build quality is reassuring until you look at the blade running, there is quite a bit of wobble going on. I reattached the blade but it was properly seated from the factory so sorry Festool, not so reassuring.

Blade spin continues for a bit as there is no blade brake. An issue? I don't know, not a deal breaker for me but I would prefer a faster blade spin down. I do have a video on it showing both wobble and blade spin down both free and under load but haven't managed to upload it yet as I could not get it off my phone at that size.
Will try to transfer it and post shortly.

Quality of cut with the blade delivered is ok, but not great, there are clearly visible cut marks on the mdf.

The things that concern me are:
- Weight  (can get used to it)
- Dust Collection (worse than my other two saws with same vac and hose, will irritate me for sure)
- Blade Wobble (not what I expected from a saw at this price point)
- Slow Spin Down (but hey, my Makita takes even longer ;) I just wished that it would be better... )
- Shadow Cut Line not as effective in real use as I had hoped. Not bad but not a game changer.
- Factory blade cut quality (sure, I can buy a better and very expensive blade - but should I have to?) *)

So far I have mixed emotions about the sum of the parts - I would like to like it more but at the moment I can't help but feel I should have gone with the Metabo and saved a few _insert your local currency here_.
The features and the overall results so far just by cutting various materials doesn't really breathe "Made in Germany" as much as I would have hoped. From memory I was much more impressed by the KS120.


*) I did get an extra blade...
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 12:52 PM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
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DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2017, 12:44 PM »
It neither clear nor uniform in width (of course) so you need to rotate the blade and/or lower until you get the shadow of a tooth on your mark.
Will it look better (uniform) if you pull the trigger and the blade is spinning?

Both yes and no: you still need to lower the blade quite a bit to see the actual width of the blade relative to the material and your cut line. I have this on video and I think it feels riskier to have to spin up the blade and lower it - especially for bevel cuts [eek] and plunge close to the material to gauge. That's why I don't think it saves time or gives me a better user experience than with my Makita Laser which is dead on and has stayed true over the years. 

That is what I ment when I wrote "rotate the blade" I meant "spin the blade". My bad.
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Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline charley1968

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Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 12:52 PM »
Thanks for the honest review. I've been looking at the saw today and i don't remember seeing the bubbly look of the shadow line. Is it the magnification or does the line look crisper from further away? Another question: do you think the cutline will have better visibility than a laser in bright conditions i.e. on a sunny day?
Just for today..

Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 12:59 PM »
Andi: the line you see is not representative of the cut line when you view it at that position. It is thinner. When you creep up on the material the line expands a little and contrast goes up (which is good).

With sun shining down on the work table / saw base I don't think the shadow cut line will be very visible. But I will have to check tomorrow. Depends on the angle of light I guess. EDIT: by that I mean that the sun will also create a shadow l which might be confusing or the sun canceling out the LED light shadow line.

It might of course be on par or perhaps even more visible than a laser and I think that at the worst case scenario we are at a point where you need to set a tooth on the cut line anyway.

The fact that you need to spin the blade, lower, maybe adjust (and wait for the blade to spin down) recheck by spinning up the blade again and lower... ...doesn't make an improvement over existing solutions, i.e. lasers or checking with the tooth/blade.

« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 01:05 PM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
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Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 01:06 PM »
I won't be able to write more this evening, I am a done for today and need sustenance.  [big grin]

EDIT:

Demo guy also checks the cutline by almost placing the saw tooth to the material. How is this different or significantly better than checking with the tooth of the blade? He gets better dust extraction cutting wood/thicker material than I did cutting thinner material.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 01:12 PM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

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Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2017, 01:18 PM »
Smaklig måltid!
Just for today..

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Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2017, 10:23 PM »
From the last video , I'd have to say that the cut quality leaves a bit to be desired. 

I can see the tear out on those boards in a tiny low res video.  Granted, that is as much about the blade as anything - but presumably it's new and was designed for the ks60 so........... :o

From Henrik's comments and the early videos it seems like this one is not quite fully baked yet.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 10:25 PM by antss »

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Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2017, 12:18 AM »
I could see the tear out too, but on the fast cross cut countertop material. It looked fine on those molding miters.

BTW @Phil Beckley  , nice demonstration.


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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2017, 02:26 AM »
antss: the standard blade for the Kapex KS60 is 36T. Considering the slightly low-ish rev range on the saw I think the standard blade is not be the best option for fine cuts in tricky materials. It is a good blade for general wood cuts and does chew through the material well - but leaving cut marks to be smoothed out for critical cuts.

For the most part I don't think there is a problem, unless the cut edge is visible. Surface tear out is of course more of a problem.

I am guessing the 60T blade will do a better job, probably a lot better. Blade change is swift and easy to do but of course you are going to need that extra blade which does not come cheap.  But then again, if you are handling a lot of different materials you would probably have two or three blades anyway. :)

EDITED SPELLING (yet again)
« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 04:54 PM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2017, 02:53 AM »
re the Video.

Some Tear out factors
As most here know - Tooth count, blade diameter and sharpness,  revs and of course the timber/material  type.

I noted that compared with the moulding, with the larger timber product it was laminated and therefore there was cross/multidirectional grain. @Phil Beckley , @Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits , @SRSemenza

Anyway have determined that if the time comes, will get the 60 tooth blade as well.
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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2017, 03:30 AM »
re the Video.

Some Tear out factors
As most here know - Tooth count, blade diameter and sharpness,  revs and of course the timber/material  type.

I noted that compared with the moulding, with the larger timber product it was laminated and therefore there was cross/multidirectional grain. @Phil Beckley , @Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits , @SRSemenza

Anyway have determined that if the time comes, will get the 60 tooth blade as well.


.....the large section was Glu-lam beam made from Spruce so some tear out would be expected. Standard Joinery cut with the supplied blade produces an excellent cut.
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Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2017, 03:31 AM »
I could see the tear out too, but on the fast cross cut countertop material. It looked fine on those molding miters.

BTW @Phil Beckley  , nice demonstration.


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Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2017, 03:33 AM »
From the last video , I'd have to say that the cut quality leaves a bit to be desired. 

I can see the tear out on those boards in a tiny low res video.  Granted, that is as much about the blade as anything - but presumably it's new and was designed for the ks60 so........... :o

From Henrik's comments and the early videos it seems like this one is not quite fully baked yet.

.....fully baked and ready for the market - yes it is  [smile]
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Re: KS 60 Owner input
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2017, 03:44 AM »
I won't be able to write more this evening, I am a done for today and need sustenance.  [big grin]

EDIT:

Demo guy also checks the cutline by almost placing the saw tooth to the material. How is this different or significantly better than checking with the tooth of the blade? He gets better dust extraction cutting wood/thicker material than I did cutting thinner material.

.....habit of mine - I always check the kerf line regardless of laser or LED  [smile]
Dust extraction was better as I had a 36mm hose on.
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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2017, 03:45 AM »
Uhm, what am I seeing here?




ETA: it would explain matte's problem (from the other KS60 thread):
The fence is looseable. At the top of the fence there are 4 hex bolts. I tried myself to make the kapex cut square. Tried for several ours. One time i thought it was square, but it wasn`t. When i made a cut with a piece of wood at the left side of the fence ( so the wood piece was at the left side of the blade) it was square. Butt when i made the same cut at the right side of the square it wasn`t square. I don`t know what the problem , i cannot solve the problem myself , thats why the saw will go back to festool. I think that a mitre saw at this price point must cut square. i will keep you informed about the kapex ..
« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 03:49 AM by Jimdude »

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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2017, 04:08 AM »
Uhm, what am I seeing here?




ETA: it would explain matte's problem (from the other KS60 thread):
The fence is looseable. At the top of the fence there are 4 hex bolts. I tried myself to make the kapex cut square. Tried for several ours. One time i thought it was square, but it wasn`t. When i made a cut with a piece of wood at the left side of the fence ( so the wood piece was at the left side of the blade) it was square. Butt when i made the same cut at the right side of the square it wasn`t square. I don`t know what the problem , i cannot solve the problem myself , thats why the saw will go back to festool. I think that a mitre saw at this price point must cut square. i will keep you informed about the kapex ..

....the beam I used had been used previously for a rip cut....the chances are the HK saw was not set to square.....or I hadn't pushed it fully to the fence

The fence on the KS60 is square.
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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2017, 04:52 AM »
Uhm, what am I seeing here?

Probably the same I see when I put a test piece against the 100% square fence of my Kapex.

I just do not know why you bother Phil. Just waiting for a thread on the polo top you are wearing with the Festool logo not quite parallel to you trouser belt.

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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2017, 05:19 AM »
Probably the same I see when I put a test piece against the 100% square fence of my Kapex.

I just do not know why you bother Phil. Just waiting for a thread on the polo top you are wearing with the Festool logo not quite parallel to you trouser belt.

You ~are~ aware of the concept of questions, right? Phil - who ~is~ - has answered that the testpiece was likely crooked.

I'm also certain that matte will appreciate your condescending input.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 06:34 AM by Jimdude »

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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2017, 06:20 AM »
You ~are~ aware of the concept of questions, right? Phil - who ~is~ - has answered that the testpiece was likely crooked.

I'm also certain that matte will appreciate your condescending input.

Yes I am aware and answer them as best I can.....i am also aware of the sarcasm above.
I answered this morning while sitting at Gatwick airport and answered as best I could. The beam I used was also used when I trained the UK team on the 85. It is also possible that in a demo straight to camera and not edited I didn't push it firmly up against the fence......but I assure you the fence is flat and square. When I return I will do the same set up with the same beam and see if the beam is not square.
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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2017, 06:24 AM »
Uhm, what am I seeing here?

Probably the same I see when I put a test piece against the 100% square fence of my Kapex.

I just do not know why you bother Phil. Just waiting for a thread on the polo top you are wearing with the Festool logo not quite parallel to you trouser belt.

The KS 60 i have used over a period of time and it is a solid product from Festool. As it hits the dealers and the exhibitions try it out firsthand and then decide.....
and that is me done on this thread.
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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2017, 06:34 AM »
Those who have met me know I do not do condescending
You most certainly are not. It was obviously not directed at you. I'll add a quote to my previous post to make this more clear (if I can still edit it, of course).

Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2017, 06:51 AM »
Hey, I am sorry for the direction in which this thread is going.

As an update I do think it is a pretty good saw. Well built with some minor things I think could have been done better.
I still don't think it rises above the competition in any way that I see important so I decided to not keep the KS60E.
It does not fill a void for me and I think it is overpriced for what you get - and I do factor in where it is made and most importantly: portability, cut quality and dust extraction is not on par with saws I have used in the past (dust extraction with CTL26E and 27mm hose - I have used CT22 in the past with same hose to greater effect than I get with the KS60 and CTL26E.)

I am not sure I can recommend it based on my own - albeit short - experience.  For a stationary saw the KS120 seems a better choice to me. For portability and agility I do think there are "better" saws out there.

I am quite sure a lot of users will find the KS60E a superb mitre saw, I am just not one of them.  [smile]
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Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2017, 08:50 AM »

Hey, I am sorry for the direction in which this thread is going.

.....


I just do not understand why there is so much hot air floating around and I agree with your comment about the way the thread is going. Please do not allow the actions of others stop you from keeping us up to date with the KS60 - warts and all.

For those who have not handled or even touched a KS60 I would ask that you provide the information about the competition and your own experiences with other saws and not be too hasty finding or thinking that you might have found something to bash Festool with.

After all, if you were to buy a KS60 or any other bit of Festool kit, you will have 15 days with that tool in your workshop or on the back of your van and then still be able to get a full refund if it is not for you - far better than speculating or reading speculation.

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« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 09:56 AM by Peter Parfitt »

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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2017, 10:59 AM »
I put a very high value on Henrik's posts (as well as Peter's).
No BS, just straight observation with a very useful dose of analysis based on long experience in the trade.

I wish the complainers who turn these threads to mud would just wait and evaluate the product themselves.

Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2017, 05:07 PM »
Thank you Michael.  :)

A fair comparison would be the Metabo equivalent - the one without the SYM feature.
Both saws are forward projection saws and actually look similar. Let's review the specs:

Metabo               KGSV Xact 72         Festool KS60E      KGSV Xact 72 SYM (equal to non SYM except weight)
Blade/size/teeth   216mm 40T           216mm 36T
Cut Capacity        72x305mm              60x305mm
Mitre                      50/50                      60/60             50/50 + SYM Fence
Bevel                     47/47                      47/46
Input power       1800/1500W*)             1200W
Speed range     2200-6300/min      1300-3500/min
LED/Laser             Yes/Yes                    Yes/No
Weight                     16,1 kg                 17,8 kg                  18,3 kg
Price               £444/SEK5595           £619/SEK8495        £548/SEK6615

Looking at the specs the KS60E has 60/60 for mitre which is great but for everything else it looks like Metabo has the upper hand: higher cut capacity, more power, a larger and more useful rev range and lower weight by no less than 1,7kg which is significant.  It even comes with a Laser.  [tongue] Just kidding.

There is really no arguing that the Metabo does have better specs on paper - and at a significantly lower cost.
The price difference in Sweden between the two is not marginal, it is HUGE. [eek]

What would the Festool have over the Metabo?
Dust extraction is normally Festools forte but with the 27mm hose it is not that great at all on the KS60E and the Metabo is said to have improved dust extraction with two suction channels. Maybe they are equal in that regard and both would probably fare better with a 36mm hose over the 27mm hose. The Metabo might be great with regards to dust extraction - but I haven't seen it in action.

Blade brake is absent on both the Metabo and the KS60E. The Metabo I think takes a little longer to spin down the blade to a stop after each cut which is a pity. None of them are stellar in this regard but both are surely better than my old Makita. It is normally nothing I worry about but when doing bevel cuts / crown molding or chopping down small pieces I do like saws with blade brake. A blade brake is nice to have and neither one has it.

Accuracy and Cut quality?
I don't know. Some blade wobble on the KS60E and a less than stellar cut with the standard blade was a let down for me.  The Metabo has a higher rev range and a 40T blade as standard. I have not tried the Metabo and it could be more prone to sample variation so could be better than, on par with Festool or inferior. This is just speculation, of course.
I would love the opportunity to compare them.

Made in Germany vs Made in China?
The KS60E is well built and feels solid, as do all levers and knobs. Yet, in action it does not inspire that same confidence the KS120 has. I am assuming the KGSV XACT is made/assembled in China. But I am not sure of it. What I do know is that the XACT SYM feels pretty solid. I did fondle one briefly when I picked up my (made in China) Metabo 18V SCMS. From memory it is well made but not to the level of the KS60E.

I am contemplating the Metabo XACT or XACT SYM but it is a 45min drive to the nearest place that has one of them in store and wrong side of town for me. If I get a half day off I might head out for an assessment. I think they only have the SYM in store but I am on the fence about the added weight, literally. :)


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Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
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Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline glass1

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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2017, 06:21 PM »
show us the blade wobble  If it has blade wobble why have you not returned it ? I would not accept blade wobble even on a free saw 

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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2017, 08:38 PM »
Great job Henrik! Thanks!

On the blade wobble I wonder if it could be the blade. One could take it off and put it flat on a table top to check. if not then arbor runout check would be next.

The Metabo sounds nice spec wise and all. Not sure if I read the specs correct in regard to your need for cutting baseboard standing up.


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Re: Kapex KS60E review and user comments
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2017, 01:11 AM »
Uhm, what am I seeing here?




ETA: it would explain matte's problem (from the other KS60 thread):
The fence is looseable. At the top of the fence there are 4 hex bolts. I tried myself to make the kapex cut square. Tried for several ours. One time i thought it was square, but it wasn`t. When i made a cut with a piece of wood at the left side of the fence ( so the wood piece was at the left side of the blade) it was square. Butt when i made the same cut at the right side of the square it wasn`t square. I don`t know what the problem , i cannot solve the problem myself , thats why the saw will go back to festool. I think that a mitre saw at this price point must cut square. i will keep you informed about the kapex ..

....the beam I used had been used previously for a rip cut....the chances are the HK saw was not set to square.....or I hadn't pushed it fully to the fence

The fence on the KS60 is square.
Rg
Phil
 

I am not sure if anyone has posted the link to the video from which the image above was taken. I will paste the link in below.
{edit - yes, I have just spotted the link to the video above at Post 6}

If you look closely at the video when Phil is setting up for the cut into that glulam you will see that the back edge of the wood is flat against the rear fence all the way except the last 50 mm or so. There is no way that the right hand fence is bent and so it is that last 50 mm of wood that has suffered during some previous demonstration - just as Phil said.

Do not worry, when I get a KS60 in front of me I will put my Veritas straight edge along the fence line.

Here is the link:



Peter