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Offline JimD

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2017, 08:31 PM »
I don't know much about the Carvex but I really like my Bosch barrel grip.  I have a cast aluminum table for it, not sure if they are still available but I've never seen one for another brand.  It is occasionally.  I also have a Collins coping foot, not sure what other saws that will work for.  I have the rip guide which also doubles as a circle jig.  I have the little plastic inserts for the base that reduce splintering on the top surface.  I don't have one but Bosch also makes a special base piece so you can use a vacuum.  But blowing the dust out of the way works pretty well.  Jig saws do not throw dust like circular saws or CMS or even a sander.

I think the situation with a Bosch jig saw is like a Festool track saw.  The accessories tend to favor both. 

It also does an excellent job cutting things, of course.  Mine is an older model you have to push a button down and turn the knob to change blades.  No plans to change.

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Offline georvali

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2017, 08:21 PM »
I have the Trion, the Makita brushless, and the Mafell P1.  Get the Trion or the higher end Bosch ( which is more in Canada ).   The Mafell is overrated especially if you are not in the trades and using it for sink cutouts.   All the claims that one saw is superior to another is due largely to the choice of saw blade.... A lot of the glowing reviews of the Mafell is due largely to the very expensive CUnex blade.   Any other blade and this particular saw cuts no better than any other even with their guide.

Offline ScotF

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2017, 08:25 PM »
I have the Trion, the Makita brushless, and the Mafell P1.  Get the Trion or the higher end Bosch ( which is more in Canada ).   The Mafell is overrated especially if you are not in the trades and using it for sink cutouts.   All the claims that one saw is superior to another is due largely to the choice of saw blade.... A lot of the glowing reviews of the Mafell is due largely to the very expensive CUnex blade.   Any other blade and this particular saw cuts no better than any other even with their guide.

Not sure I agree with you on the Mafell - I never have tried the CUnex blade and get perfect cuts with mine with any blade I have tried - it tracks straight on the guide rail and cuts perfectly 90 degrees, every time. The Bosch 572 series is also good, but not as good as the Mafell in my opinion. The Trion is a nice saw too, but I sold mine as it was too fiddly with the adjustments and the Mafell cuts so much better. Never tried the Makita. I guess each person's experience is their own and it is good to hear other people's views on expensive tools. Yes the Mafell is pricey and might not be worth it to many, but I would buy another one in a heartbeat if something happened to mine.

Offline charley1968

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2017, 01:06 PM »
I have to second Scot there: i get acceptable cuts with the Mafell every time even though i don't use jigsaws very often. Compared to the Trion and a Makita i previously owned, the Mafell is in a different league. But that's from someone who's not very good with jigsaws, so ymmv.
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2017, 03:30 PM »
.... A lot of the glowing reviews of the Mafell is due largely to the very expensive CUnex blade.   Any other blade and this particular saw cuts no better than any other even with their guide.

It is pretty smart to have a thicker blade which makes it a lot stiffer.
You know it is a seriously important cut when the Cunex blade comes out.
I ain't no mathematician but i have some negative and positive screwdrivers
I ain't no pilot but i have some planes.
I ain't no sucker but i have a vacuum.
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Offline WWfarrier

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2017, 07:23 AM »
I found either type of Festool jig saw to be a let down. It its the only tool type I've used where Festool doesn't give a significant advantage. (I own many Festool) I stuck with my Bosch and returned the Carvex. To me it was just another Jigsaw but much more $.

Offline DrD

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2017, 08:07 AM »
I have a Trion, and if I had to thin the Festool herd, it would be the first to go: 1) with the dust collection shroud in place, it is difficult to impossible to see the cut line; 2) with dust collection shroud in place, dust collection is terrible; 3) Festool says you can't use the Guide Stop (the thingy that connects the saw to the guide rail) with any blades over, IMSMC, 2 1/2", yet when I bought mine, their catalog indicated "For best results, use with FSG blades—S 75/4 FSG (499 476), S 105/4 FSG (499 477) or S 145/4 FSG (499 478)" realizing that the last 2 are 4 1/8 and 5 3/4 respectively.

If I were to buy another jig saw it would definitely be the Mafel P1cc, based upon recommendations from woodworker I know who use them.
Dr.D

Offline waterloomarc

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2017, 09:06 AM »
I have the trion (Barrel) as well and agree with the chap above. It is impossible to see where you're cutting when the dust shroud is in place. Sure you can use the little pointer thing when making straight cuts but it's useless for curves; and if I were making straight cuts then I darn sure wouldn't be using a jigsaw ;)

I actually do think it's decent for dust collection though with the shoriud and the splinter guard attached.

It's definitely among my worst festool purchases. I actually miss my old Freud jigsaw than I sold when I bought the trion. Shane on me for not testing the festool before selling it.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2017, 09:18 AM »
Thanks to reviews on the FOG, I avoided future regrets with my jigsaw purchase, and went straight to the Mafell, with no regrets.
GREEN: In order of purchase = C18 5.2 Set w/Centrotec Installer's Set | CT26 w/Installer Cleaning Set | RS 2 E | Hose w/ Sleeve 3.5m | 115mm X 226mm Hand Sanding Block | 80mm X 133mm Hand Sanding Block | HSK D21.5 5m hose | CT Boom Arm Bundle Set |  Won the CXS Li 2.6 90 Limited Edition on 06/20/2016 | Metric Parallel Guide Set | 1080 Plate for custom MFT | OF 1400 EQ Router (metric) | Next  Purchase: Something else Metric |

RED: In order of purchase = Mafell P1cc w/tilting base | Complete range of Mafell blades | Collins Coping Foot |  F 160 (x1)+F 110 (x1)+F 80 (x1) w/Guide pocket, clamps & Connector (x1)  | Angle fence F-WA | Next Purchase :  TBD

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2017, 04:34 PM »
I just bought the Bosch JS572.  It's the best jig saw I have ever used.  I've tried the Carvex.  Have not tried the Mafell.  The Bosch is pretty amazing.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2017, 05:35 PM »
On the Bosch, did you get the barrel or the handle?

Thanks

Ron

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2017, 05:48 PM »
Just as a source of information the Mafell that is often mentioned as being the top gun for a jigsaw is a $765 jigsaw here in the US.

Peter
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2017, 06:49 PM »
Just as a source of information the Mafell that is often mentioned as being the top gun for a jigsaw is a $765 jigsaw here in the US.

Peter

Peter are they paying you for these posts?
It always sets me off when I see 100s of posts says FT is costs more because it is better, and then any other tool which costs more is overpriced. So you get to receive my post...

While you are it... don't forget to mention how much extra mafell charges for the angle base.

unless one.  wants the bare tool how do we compare apples and oranges? We need to compare the costs of the tools with their accessories and Mafell does not sell the saw without them. So it is probably best to put up both costs.
(I suspect the Bosch also has the accessories included in the cost.)

And here we go:
Saw: ($680) https://sydneytools.com.au/festool-ps-420-ebq-550w-ps-420-carvex-jigsaw?fee=4&fep=12386&gclid=CJfRnana8tICFYIHvAoduDICOA

extras: ($359). https://sydneytools.com.au/festool-zh-sys-ps-400-carvex-jigsaw-accessory-systainer-set?fee=4&fep=15001&gclid=CNSP7eDZ8tICFYZjvAod1KoKKw

Festool Total is $1039 Au


Or I can get the Mafell paying no VAT for 509 Eu with the base + another 70Eu for shipping which is ~850 $Au

https://www.dictum.com/en/tools/power-tools/sawing/720455k/special-offer-mafell-jig-saw-p1-cc-maximax-in-t-max-incl-tilting-plate-p1-sp


For me it was seemingly a "no brainer" to get the better tool for the less money than the tool that is not as good. But the Bosch would be my second pick. If one is not using the fat cunex blades then the saw is not at the cutting edge of performance.

There may be different ways to compare them, but the above covers how I did it. Feel free to pick the logic apart.
(Some known logical failure points/omission are warranty and electrical.)
« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 06:58 PM by Holmz »
I ain't no mathematician but i have some negative and positive screwdrivers
I ain't no pilot but i have some planes.
I ain't no sucker but i have a vacuum.
And I has me some saws, and some sandpapers.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2017, 09:05 PM »
On the Bosch, did you get the barrel or the handle?

Thanks

Ron

I got the bareel grip

Offline Samo

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2017, 09:08 PM »
Just as a source of information the Mafell that is often mentioned as being the top gun for a jigsaw is a $765 jigsaw here in the US.

Peter

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Offline Samo

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2017, 09:25 PM »
thank you all for the input  I am still doing research

It isn't that hard a decision.  Jigsaws are mostly the same.  Your decision steps are:

1)  Grip/handle... you made that decision already
2)  Corded/Cordless
3)  Dust collection... if important, go Festool
4)  Blade ejection yes/no... I recommend yes because blades can get quite hot
5)  If Festool, you'll have an extra adjustment when changing blade size.  Many people consider this a negative, but it isn't that bad of one.

Along with dust collection, some added benefits of going Festool are:

A)  If you have  Festool guide rail then you can use it with your Festool jigsaw
B)  Festool jigsaws have a simple-to-use circle jig
C)  You get a systainer... if that's a benefit to you

Like a lot of pro Carpenters and Woodworkers, I've used mostly the older Swiss made Bosch.

Barrel grip vs Top Handle?

Barrel grip has an on/off switch, adjustable speed control setting and a knob or hand grip on the top front.  Best for scrolling jobs,
hold the front, move the barrel to scroll.

Top handle has variable speed in the trigger.  Awesome for most work!  Start slow and finish slow.  This is one of my problems with the Carvex.  I want to love the tool but the top handle is very slender and doesn't feel right to me personally.  Bought the barrel grip Carvex and still on the fence.

Offline Vondawg

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2017, 08:36 AM »
I'm with Sam and others....wanting to like the Festool jigsaw but find both barrel and the D handle Bosch I have, to be my "go to"...I mostly use the barrel with the Collins coping foot and harder to get to areas and the top handle/var. speed trigger for everything else...I have a heck of a time with pushing/holding the button on the Carvex 420 D handle, just not comfortable and needs to be pushed farther in or something, I have a sm. round felt button on there to help. I do like having a light on the tool though.
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Offline rst

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2017, 09:04 AM »
I, like JimD, have an old barrel grip Bosch 1582.  I have that table attachment and used it last week to modify a light swtch cover to accept two rectangluar switchs.  I too use the Collins foot and over the last 36 years have used my saw to cut wood, plastics, steel (plainand S/S), tile, glass, and more aluminum than I like to remember.  I have the dust extraction foot and it works about as good as can be realistically expected. I bought the corded Carvex and I feel it works as well as my ancient Bosch.  I also have the cordless Carvex that I bought after buying the HKC and keep both in my service van.  I've never expected my jigsaws to give as clean a cut as circular saws and dust extraction for any tool that throws dust forward will always be a compromise.  Every new tool has a learning curve...It's up to each user as to their expectatons and willingness to find that sweet spot where everything works.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2017, 09:08 AM »
Bosch JS572
-Great dust extraction
-led light
-tool free bevel
-very powerful
-easy to use
-made in Switzerland


Offline Samo

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2017, 09:25 AM »
I, like JimD, have an old barrel grip Bosch 1582.  I have that table attachment and used it last week to modify a light swtch cover to accept two rectangluar switchs.  I too use the Collins foot and over the last 36 years have used my saw to cut wood, plastics, steel (plainand S/S), tile, glass, and more aluminum than I like to remember.  I have the dust extraction foot and it works about as good as can be realistically expected. I bought the corded Carvex and I feel it works as well as my ancient Bosch.  I also have the cordless Carvex that I bought after buying the HKC and keep both in my service van.  I've never expected my jigsaws to give as clean a cut as circular saws and dust extraction for any tool that throws dust forward will always be a compromise.  Every new tool has a learning curve...It's up to each user as to their expectatons and willingness to find that sweet spot where everything works.

Can you elaborate on the Carvex and what model you prefer?  I have the barrel grip as most have recommended and will be spending more time with it coming up here soon.

Haven't given up on the tool but definetly has a steep learning curve to it.

Offline Jim Green

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2017, 11:41 AM »
I needed a cordless jig and went for the Makita brushless barrel grip. It is great. So great I sold my trion and just use it. I have had Bosch corded jig saws as well and always like them, great  saws. Money no object I'm pretty sure the Mafell is the one to get. I'd stay away from the carvex and go for the trion if you want Festool. 

Offline rst

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2017, 11:54 AM »
I have always liked barrel grip jigsaws as I find it easier to follow patterns closer.  Many people find the D handle better suited but I have not owned a D handle since 1972.  There is a learning curve to getting the right blade tension with the Carvex but I have not found it to be bothersome.